RDT Archive - Really Deep Thoughts #328

Really Deep Thoughts #328

From: Really Deep Thoughts <rdtout@oasis.novia.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:43:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Really Deep Thoughts #328
To: Really Deep Thoughts <rdtout@oasis.novia.net>

************************************************************************ Please read the bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe information. Subscribe and Unsubscribe messages sent to rdt@novia.net are IGNORED!!!! Posts sent anyplace other than rdt@novia.net are automatically deleted!! ************************************************************************ This list is no longer run by majordomo. It is mostly done manually now. Missed Issues? Try my archive at http://www.novia.net/~rdt Date Stamp: Digest #328 Volume: 01 Wed Feb 5 00:37:58 CST 1997 CONTENTS why bother? RAINN fundraiser - please post A Special Invitation Gay Bars, Pro Widow, Porn Stars RAINN fundraiser - please post Rice milk smoothies for all! hmm... mantra wow! that would rock! quickees wish lists One Little Thing.. Jury Duty spinning infinitely...er Smoking crack in yellow socks blah blah blah blah the questions are Endless open mouth,insert foot under the covers Tori content on MTV news--again random things Tori content on MTV news--again promo for sale A bunch of stuff... here i am, alive again (stupid america online!!) *& a poem* Meet my best friend, Annie angwing: The Wheel of theyear ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: russ.goldermann@sid.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 97 07:10:59 -0400 Subject: why bother? hola........just some random thoughts in my head right now....i asked once before, but no one answered-does anyone know the background lyrics in talula during the "ran into the henchman" line up untill, well, they stop? ....has the notion crossed anyones minds that tori might be on Sarah M's "lilith" tour this summer...that would be too much to hope for.....i just watched the rainn tape again-every day that goes by "the unplugged thing" looks like more & more of a sham...tori knew it & we know it......i really want to write tori a letter, but i know i'd lose a lot of faith in her if i never recieved a response <yes, i realize how busy she is, but it would still bug me>, so i won't......i was gonna save it untill the next time she tours, but i don't wanna wait 2 years......i just checked all my disks & my notebooks...i've got around 400 poems....all fevered thoughts from a tortuerd soul, or something equally poetic...i'm reading "when god was a woman"...since it was brought up a few times during the porno debate, i thought i'd check it out from the library...really great book....i saw the video for u2's "discotheque"....in the immortal words of beavis & butthead-'umm..no..' ... everyone MUST go out NOW and buy a box of french - toast crunch. do it. NOW! and if you don't have the $$ on ya, just take the box to the cash register, wink, and tell 'em ventrue sent you. that should take care of it.:) This post sponsored by SPAM:SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM. Spam-when you want the best in non-biodegradable meat by-products, you've got a lot of choices. but for only the freshest rotted potted meat, try spam. SPAM:IT'S NOT BAD. -ventrue ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Debbie Piccolo <Debbie_Piccolo@zd.com> Subject: RAINN fundraiser - please post Calling all Tori Fans..... Many of you may have noticed the "Red Key Choker" that Tori wore on the David Letterman show on 1/29/97 and questioned how to go about getting one. This is the red key symbolizing RAINN in an effort to Unlock the Silence. Well, I spoke to the person, William Fuentes from New York, who is the designer of the "RAINN - Unlock the Silence" symbolic key necklace and he asked me to pass this information on to all Tori-philes. William is working in conjunction with Calvin Klein on production of the key necklace as a fundraising item to sell, with all proceeds going directly to RAINN. He is in the final phase of getting the green light on production and desperately needs your input. He needs to show that this item would be of marketing interest to Tori fans everywhere and has asked me to act as liason in his effort. William currently does not have access to email and asked that I hardcopy your responses onto him, which I certainly agreed to. Your input on the following questions would be greatly appreciated by William, Tori, and RAINN for marketing purposes. 1. Would you be interested in purchasing an "Unlock the Silence" choker or necklace? 2. Would you prefer the RAINN key symbol come with a matching chain or would you prefer the symbol by itself to put on a chain of your own? 3. How much would you be willing to pay or what do you feel would be a fair/acceptable price for items of this sort ($5, $10) ? 4. What other items would you like to see made available to benefit RAINN (i.e. keychains, pins) ? This is a fundraising effort for RAINN and all proceeds shall go directly to RAINN. Unlock the Silence and show your support for RAINN, Tori, and those that benefit from such a worthy cause by responding with your comments to: dpiccolo@zd.com I will forward your responses on to William, so we can get the ball rolling!!! Thank you all, Debbie Piccolo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Umm...it wont hurt my feelings any if this is mailed directly to Debbie and not the list:) -cmeyers@novia.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 10:19:56 -0800 Subject: A Special Invitation Hello, While researching on the net, one of our members found your E-mail [Advertisement deleted-cmeyers@novia.net] Thanks for your time JO @ LML ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Some peoples children.. -cmeyers@novia.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:31:19 -0600 (CST) From: Harold Williams <harold.williams@aalas.org> Subject: Gay Bars, Pro Widow, Porn Stars Okay folks, here's a few things to chew over... I was at this bar the other night and the DJ was selling a remix tape. On it was "Professional Widow '97". I asked around - this remix is not one of the ones that has been for sale...it's a brand new version that the DJ himself did. I'm gonna head back and pick it up sometimes soon - I'll reveiw it for y'all when I get it. It looked like a great tape; I gotta get a copy. At this same bar, right after the drag show (which spanned from tasteless to charming) some porn star (Carl something - it was late, I'd been drinking) came out and danced. Now, this fellow's particular specialty was placing his, ahem, member in his own mouth. After his impressive performance the DJ said, "Brings a whole new meaning to 'bring it close to my lips,' huh, folks?" I howled - that tickled me. And then I got to thinking - a porn star? And Tori? What kind of connection is that? Then I thought about the list....and the (by now) obvious question came to mind: What about gay porn? Is it okay, since no women are being exploited? ;^) Come on mow folks - we didn't say much about the male participants in porn - so what if it's all male? Do we really have a problem with the patriarchy, quite literally, screwing itself? Okay, I've now hit the hornets nest with a rock - I'm gonna run like hell... In other news... >So that's probably all we'll see of Tori for awhile. (Although I still say >she should do "Politically Incorrect".) Oh, that'd be great! She could go toe to toe with Bill Maher - or Ray Bradbury - any day. And cmeyers said: "Victims, aren't we all?" -Eric Draven Yes! The Crow is such a great movie - I had the poster on my office wall for months - my boss hated it...I think it defined the way my coworkers thought of me...which was fine.... Talk amongst yourselves.... ------------- Harold Williams AALAS E-mail: harold.williams@aalas.org "I believe you." - T. Snider ----------------------------------------------------------------------- :) -cmeyers@novia.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Megan Bainbridge (PNR)" <mbainbri@helios.acomp.usf.edu> Subject: Re: RAINN fundraiser - please post I would be more than willing to purchase a key-choker, not only because Tori was wearing it but also because of what it stands for. I think around 10 would sound like an average price. Pins, stickers, T-shirts, keychains, posters all sound great to me!! Thank You, any info on where I can pick me up some of these goodys would be great..--Meg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: risky@indy.net Subject: Rice milk smoothies for all! Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 16:24:06 -0500 (EST) so I was saying to myself "must see star wars then I will know something close to eternal happiness" so I went and saw and for 2 and a half hours I was in sweet bliss :). hmm..I don't remember seeing any of the star wars movies till the early 80's (when I was bout 6 or 7)..but my dad took my brother to see it in 77 on opening night..they stood in line for 2 hours.. there's a picture of me when I was about 6 months old and my brother is about 10 and he's holding me in his lap (and it's holloween) and he's got his Empire soldier helmet on..he was such a cute kid.. But yea, I love Star Wars..and star trek..I'm jsut a regular old sci-fi nut :). My all time favs are probably the Twilight Zones :). Clair Emily, don't believe what ya hear dear..I think you're quite fabo :) hmmm..I think there was somethign else I needed to say but now i can't remember..oh well many *HUGS* to Ventrue and Chris Roxanne ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *Smile* *hug* :) -cmeyers@novia.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: "jupiter's boy" <sthibault@ustanne.ednet.ns.ca> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:26:35 AST Subject: hmm... YAY! My friend Mouse bought this CD with this incredible techno song by plan 9 and it is called "I am ready" and it just makes me so happy and hyper.... and he bought just 'cause i liked it.. he's cute that way... but people think that he's gay or bi, and that he wants me, but i know that's not true, and if it was, i wouldn't want anything to do with him like that... maybe kiss him, but that's all....;) a want list.... let me see.... i want to meet clare emily and drink tea I want to meet matt so that we can go clubbing and maybe kiss... I want to meet Laurahey. I know everyone wants to, but i just want to see her, and kiss her forehead and then disapear, and never having said a word to her. I want the new U2, Mazzy Star, Bjork CD's. I want to be rimbaud. I want to understand his poetry. I want to kiss a statue and make it come alive. I want to meet Tori and cry in front of her. I want to be able to go out with my friends and not worry about being called a faggott and fruit. I don't want my friends to get beaten up 'cause they're gay. I don't want to have seen it being done (I have). I want to be able not to fear love. I want to be able not to fear myself. i want to go to the brink of sanity and come back, and write about it. i just want the world to make sense to me.... but i wait, and write, and talk to you guys.... ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() from in the shadow she calls and in the shadows she finds a way finds a way and in the shadows she crawls clutching her faded photograph my image under her thumb - Tori Amos ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: a girl twice as hard <myraln@grove.ufl.EDU> Subject: mantra mantra: "let all things be as they are." typo mantra: "let all things pe as they are." (the way i originally typed it and then thought it was funny so...) now, a short list of wants because i have to go: i want: jena to call so that we can have dinner to save money my grandmother to be happy a resume that will get me a wonderful first real job out of college a long walk by myself for my cat, harold, to like me (he doesnt like people) my hair to realize that it is naturally red (after all these years, you'd think it would catch on!) that postcard with marilyn lifting weights another project, now that i have finished painting my bicycle poems to come. deb :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: chicken@gzinc.com (Hughes, Heather) Subject: wow! that would rock! Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:49:46 -0500 i wanted to say that i agree with steve. tori should defineately do PI. that would be great. i love bill maher. on another note, wouldn't it be great for tori to cover "disarm" by the smashing pumpkins? faerie dust in your hair can be a good thing.... heather the pider queen "without you, without you everything falls apart without you it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces" -NiN the perfect drug ******************************************************************* "Hello - my name is david. Apparently i'm having problems with commitment." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jorge Fernandez <jferna03@fiu.edu> Subject: quickees i really don't have anything that important to say, so i'll just give a few random observations... - does MikeWhy ever smile? his posts are always so damn serious. - i can understand my sig not blinking, but orange? - you all have want lists. i just have two really small wants. 1) I WANT A JOB AFTER GRADUATION. 2) I WANT TO GET ACCEPTED INTO GRAD SCHOOL. everyone tells me i'm doing the right things. i've sent out 25 resumes and i'm still on the letter E of every single social agency in Dade County. i have the grades. i have the experience. yet when i go to bed at night, that paralyzing fear hits. the fear that no one besides me is going to notice what i can do. anyone going through that same process right now, you're not the only one. we'll all come out ok. have faith in yourself. - anyone complaining about Roseanne's Tori joke should have listened to Howard Stern this morning. a whole show dedicated to cracking on Star Wars. i've never laughed so much in my life. - yes i did see Star Wars: SE on Friday. the whole entire effect of it was ruined by one of my best friend's little brother who kept on saying "but they kept the most moving parts of the movie intact!" i killed the little fucker. i swear, i did. - oh yeah....then there were the guys yelling "i've seen it five times today already!" they'll see it plenty more times because i permenantly attached their heads to the screen. - speaking of crack, yes Niles, crack is one of the greatest words in the engligh language. - what the hell ever happened the "Horses" mixes? (obligatory Tori content) - if we want to talk about the greatest musicians alive, i'll add my two cents right now. the greatest musician alive is Carlos Santana. thank you. - if this will make someone feel better, every time i see a post or message from Clare Emily, there's just this little glow around it. screw what anyone else thinks. that's it. here's a fitting blinking sig. it blinks twice as fast for that extra headache effect. if i can get at least half of you to hurl, i've done my job. the human resume and cover sheet machine [5m |-o-|[0m [5m (-o-) (-o-) [0m Jorge Fernandez [5m |-o-|[0m Fla. International Univ. [5m |-o-| |-o-| [0m Miami, Fl. [5m |-o-| |-o-|[0m [5m (-o-) [0m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: "jupiter's boy" <sthibault@ustanne.ednet.ns.ca> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:22:26 AST Subject: wish lists I know i already sent out my wish list, but afterwards, i thought of sending it to my friends, and here is why, detailed in the letter i sent them along with the list (edited for less space): To all of you: Yes, there are many, some of you i have known for a long time, others i have met and only spoken to or even written a few times, but i enjoy writing to all of you(no matter how spastic and horrible i am at writing sometimes...) the point is that i am doing it now, and i wanted to share something with you all. Something personal. an acquaintance of mine on a mailing list, brought up the idea of making a wish list and posting it to the list. I made one, and then it donned on me to send it to you all. I really don't know why, but does it matter. I know all of you, and i wanted to share something with you. I think you should all make a wish list and send it to your friends, just because you too want to share it with them, for you know they mean something to you. I am sending this to some people that i barely know, but yet they make me so happy when i see them (hi renee) and others i write to from time to time only (hi geoff and chante), some of you i have known for only a matter of months (Ken, Matt) and some of you i can honestly say that i love you (Gine, Georgie, Josette). Some of you have only touched me for a moment, but that was all that was needed. and i am happy with that one moment. here is my list. ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() If we shadows have offended Think but this, and all is mended That you have but slumbered here While these visions did appear... - the bard ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 18:48:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Antigone <GR95289771@WESLEY.IT.EMERSON.EDU> Subject: One Little Thing.. Wesley Willis. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Have you seen the video? Heard the music? (My roommate has THREE WW albums) I think it was Niles - so thanks niles, for mentioning Wesley! marlantigone ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 18:51:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Antigone <GR95289771@WESLEY.IT.EMERSON.EDU> Subject: Jury Duty Hey Steve, here in Massachusetts you get FIFTY DOLLARS a day after three days on a jury - I know because I had jury duty last week but I was dismissed before being chosen. (Although I nearly was impaneled...) Thats all. Randomly yours, Marlantigone ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: S19068JO@umassd.edu Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 20:15:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: spinning infinitely...er ok maybe this was a big mistake, but I made a short little tape for a boy I used to love...and sent to his house...and sent it anonymously...wonder if he will figure it out... anyhow, the tape consisted of "baker baker" and "hey jupiter". I could have put SATY too (it would have been just as appropriate) but that is the song which I hold more dearly than all the rest and decided to be selfish and to keep it for me... I am wondering if anyone out there would find this an unstable or cruel thing to do...??? It's really a rather weird situation that I won't blab on about. I was just wondering what the reaction I may expect may be.... I will keep my want list short...I pinky swear... I want... a lifetime's worth of rainy sunday afternoons... to have children someday... my children (if I DO have any) to like me as I like my mum and dad... to meet a nice boy best friend... to marry my nice boy best friend... to finish a novel... my novel to move the souls of many or truly move just one... to travel the world... and maybe the vast outer space... a life full of passionate people... to smoke a cigarette and converse and drink some earl gray with Nicolas Cage to have my dog, Cookie, and my turtle, Buff, roaming through the afterlife with me that's all.... :) take care till next time everyone... smiles and hugs... merris...glittergirlie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:43:17 -0600 (CST) From: Greensleeves <jcrispin@jinx.sckans.edu> Subject: Smoking crack in yellow socks Yes, folks, here she is again today! Invincible! Twelve feet tall and bulletproof! For some reason this sort of thing always happens when I swear off of boys. Not all boys mind you, as soon, I will be on a mission from God to seek out new life in St. Louis and meet a lovely e-boy that I have been talking to for three years now, and also Niles! Hazzah for me! Much love and hugs to clare emily! I know how those evil applications go, I am going to have to start filling them out myself here sometime soon! (just for a summer internship though, not QUITE as much pressure!) So I will send you all of the fairies I can spare! And your gold knee highs sound like they will do quite well. Especially if you wear them with something puce. ;) And an extra hug to ventrue, just for being cute! ;) Yes, I KNOW that I am smoking crack, I just can't remember when I am doing it but no one in their right mind should be this happy and silly and giddy and flagrantly weird when they are this sleep deprived and this far behind on classes... And I just wanted to say that the ONLY dark spot in my otherwise lovely sunshiny life is that I don't have any good rare Tori to trade to get more good rare Tori so I will NEVER GET TO HEAR TORI'S RENDITION OF KILLING ME SOFTLY! That's okay. I am getting over it. Antigone, how about if I can't send you tapes I send you yellow socks so you can be invincible like me? ;) I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it's all gonna be okay Chris. I promise not to use the p-word ever again. And oh yeah, your questions about Les Miserables? Well, I was so annoyed that I couldn't remember every single detail that I have to read it again! My parents bought me this lovely lovey 1898 printing of it at a flea market or something and I had forgotten how magical the book was! Thanks! Blessed be Greensleeves the delusionally happy moundbuilder ----------------------------------------------------------------------- :) Hi Greensleeves...whatcha doing up there?:) -cmeyers@novia.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: TillaMUTT@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:21:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: blah blah blah blah I'm having one of those *i really want to say something but I don't have anything to say* days. I took the day off of work, claiming to be sick- which in a way is true. I think you should be able to use sick days whe you are sick of work. :) A lot of different things on my mind today, so I guess I'll get 'em out one by one. Here goes: Whoever said animals don't love or whatever along those lines, should spend some time in an animal shelter. When someone brings their dog in because they don't want them anymore, take a look in that dogs eyes when the person walks out the door, leaving them in a cold cage, strange place, bad smells. I have a hard time thinking an animal can't love when there is that much hurt in their eyes. Or for another example, one time, the most beautiful white cat was brought in to the shelter when I was working there. Someone had tossed him out the window of their Pathfinder while driving down the street. The car ehind them stopped, picked up the cat and brought him in. He was dirty, covered in fleas, and had some minor scrapes from landing on the pavement. Something about that cat had me totally intrigued. I couldn't let him go. When I picked him up, he wrapped his front legs around my neck and hugged me. No kidding. I spent a few hours bathing and de-fleaing him. He was starved for attention- any kind- so much that he didn't even squirm when I put him in the sink to wash him. Afterward, he ate a nice big meal and then slept in my office for the next three days. He was supposed to go up for adoption but I couldn't let him go. My faithful kitty. Followed me everywhere, even rode in the car with me. Cried if we weren't in the same room. So I kept him, as my office kitty. Sat on my lap all day while I worked the phones, did my paperwork. Sadly, he had to be put down b/c he got kitty leukemia. But at least the end of his life was happy and loving. Sorry to go on, but I really believe they do feel, love hate and everything else. Can anyone tell me the meaning of the word "ashre"? I think this may have been brought up before but I missed it. I had the most beautiful dream about a little girl (mine I suppose) name Ashre. It's been picking at the back of my mind ever since. Any help would be appreciated. What else can I rattle on about? I think I want to get married. This occurred to me a few weeks ago. I've been with Gabe for almost three years now. He is the most incredible person I have ever met and my very best friend. Even the things he does that drive me crazy aren't that bad when it comes down to it. I never thought I would ever even think about getting married and here I am, pondering who I would want to be bridesmaids ans knowing that instead of the traditional wedding march I would want to have the first track from Lisa Germano's On the Way Down From the Moon Palace (the most beautiful instrumental) playing as I walked down the aisle. Well, grass actually because I would like it to beoutside in hot summer. Am I crazy? I don't really remember the first time I saw Star Wars, but I do remember my brother and I had all the action figures and ships and whatever else. Although, most of them are buried in the field behind the house we grew up in along with most of our Tonka trucks. Don't ask me why, that's just what we did... and then always forgot when we buried them. Either that or we would tie the action figures to the end of our fishing poles and try to use them as bait in our pond which I think only had one fish in it. Never caught a thing. Well, I'll end this....thanks for listening! *Marci* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: MoonMagnet@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 03:17:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: the questions are Endless >GrecianUrn@aol.com typed }}}This sounds so [MoonMagnet-ish] of me, but if you found yourself ruler of the }}}world, what would be your first act of office? move the world to the {Moon} and loudly play "space dog" on the way there. gravity is pulling, mm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: russ.goldermann@sid.net Organization: Southeastern Information Depot, A Non-Profit Corporation Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 07:03:52 -0400 Subject: open mouth,insert foot hi everyone...i know it seems like i'm posting a LOT lately, and i AM, but i've got stuff to say now, so i'm sorry if i'm an overly chatty ventrue...maybe it's because i've no life. :) clare emily: if you ever head down <or up, depending on where you live> to georgia, let me know and i'll treat you to that cup of tea...we'd have to go somewhere, for my tea is horrid <maybe worse than coffee>.pretending is part of the whole spirit of my being...it's also part of believing in faeries. :) maybe it just comes from the french toast crunch?....i just feel like giving you a huge hug....and maybe singing the first few verses of "silent all the years", and talking for hours on end about colours, and shapes, and pastries.... ....i've long thought tori should be on politically correct...maybe some e-mail would help...?..... so neil diamond was #3 concert of '96? dammit, chris! what did i tell you about him?:) what do i want...? hmmm... *i want to meet my faeries* * i want to hold someone in my arms at 5 a.m. drinking tea with two sugars and eating french toast* *i want someone to read my poems and be able to hear my screams in them* *i want to find a copy of Douglas adams' "salmon dust"* * i want "the kindred" back on the air* *i want to words to the cowboy junkies' "the trinity session"* *i want to stop falling* *i want to be able to say the word "love" without a dark black image of a neverending spiral popping into my mind* * i want to be able to say "i'm sorry"* -ventrue ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:28:44 -0600 (CST) From: La Serpiente <maizy@ksu.edu> Subject: under the covers after putting it off for a long time, i am interested in getting copies of the "under the covers" tapes, volumes 1 and 2. (i would also like a copy of YKTR.) is there anyone willing to tape these off for me? i will, of course, pay for the tapes and postage. --beth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: Richard Handal <handal@access.digex.net> Subject: Tori content on MTV news--again Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:27:48 -0500 (EST) Hello, Online Toriville: I saw a story a few minutes before 3am Eastern Time here in the U.S. on MTV News, concerning the remix producer of the Professional Widow dance mix, Armand van Helden, who'd sold the rights to his dance groove beats from Professional Widow for a flat fee, to the producers of a new dance mix of a 1986 Lisa Stansfield song, People Hold On, which was recently remixed by Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. The story was along the lines of "in case this Lisa Stansfield dance mix sounds familiar... " and went on to say that Atlantic was not planning a lawsuit. I expect they have a pretty firm claim on the rights to that stuff. It may or may not make the cut for their weekend show Week In Rock. MTV reporter Kurt Loder referred to Tori in the intro as "one of our favorite piano titans." I have to credit my wonderful and indispensable friend Shulamis for the tip on this item, as we were in realtime talk when it was about to come on and she warned me. I should belatedly thank her, too, for the item I posted last week from the Manchester Guardian back in 1991. She was the one who suggested we go together to the library where I found that when I was up in NY city a couple weeks back. Some *very* old-timer RDTers will remember her. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:36:17 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner <bethw@sonic.net> Subject: random things Um, I just keep thinking of a couple of things I wanted to tell you guys. Firstly, that it sounds like Tori's not going to be doing much of anything for the next while... when I spoke with her publicist last Friday, she said something like, "Tori's embarking on a much-deserved vacation, so we probably won't ever hear from her again," and then laughed and said, "well, not for a while anyway, although she might show up at the Grammies." I don't know anything about where she is or what she's up to, but I thought you all might want to know that... I've forgotten some of the other things. Oh well. Anyway, I was reading TIME this morning (the one with Star Wars on the cover) and there's a brief little article about a murder-suicide in which the husband killed his wife -- supposedly because she received roses from an online admirer -- and then tried to commit suicide (he's still alive). But the headline for the little piece is "Blood Roses," which I thought was fairly interesting. I doubt anything in the past several years has had that title besides the Tori song. It's just funny where these kinds of references pop up. A friend of mine (Dave -- Alison) sent me a tape of the "Purple Roses" boot plus the song that samples "Me and a Gun." I haven't heard them yet, but I can't wait... she also sent me a couple of little Flower Fairy shrinky-dinks that she made. It's all very cool. :) Anyway. Ta-ta for now. Beth -- "Ah! the bagpipe. The missing link between noise and music!" (Allan Meltzer) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 14:17:51 -0600 From: neile@sff.net (Neile Graham) Subject: Re: Tori content on MTV news--again Hi, Richard-- >It may or may not make the cut for their weekend show Week In Rock. MTV >reporter Kurt Loder referred to Tori in the intro as "one of our favorite >piano titans." First I misread this as "piano titians" which works because they talk of people having Titian-red hair, and Tori's hair is actually pretty close in colour to what Titian painted. ;> >I have to credit my wonderful and indispensable friend Shulamis for the >tip on this item, as we were in realtime talk when it was about to come on >and she warned me. I should belatedly thank her, too, for the item I >posted last week from the Manchester Guardian back in 1991. She was the >one who suggested we go together to the library where I found that when I >was up in NY city a couple weeks back. Some *very* old-timer RDTers will >remember her. Hey, when you're next talking to her, please tell her that this Neile says hi by the way. And hi to you. I'm only on Tori-News right now but hope to get back in precious-things if my workload decreases. Still on ecto, of course. All the best-- --Neile -------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham Please note new email & web pages address neile@sff.net http://www.sff.net/people/neile -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:50:38 -0500 From: Drew <drewwid@ix.netcom.com> Subject: promo for sale Well April 15 is slowly approaching and Uncle Sam didn't take his whole share during the year so I need to raise money to pay him off. For Sale: Promo titled "New Music from Tori Amos" (PRCD 6335-2) Atlantic Jewel Case has sticker reading: " Look for Tori's new single in stores January 2nd 1996!" Thus I would imagine it was released late 95. Tracks are as follows: 1. Conflake Girl 2. God 3. Silent All These Years 4. Crucify (Remix) 5. "These Precious Things" (yes it says these and not just precious things, typo?) 6. China 7. Me and A Gun 8. Past the Mission 9. Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover insert is one slip with picture of tori on a military fatigue back drop and back side of slip says: "...is coming soon" Email me with questions or offers. Drew drewwid@ix.netcom.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:28:48 -0500 From: Tania <tarr1658@uriacc.uri.edu> Subject: A bunch of stuff... At 01:35 AM 1/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >From: Harold Williams <harold.williams@aalas.org> >So who is going to see STAR WARS Trilogy?:) I hope to--I've never watched any of the star wars movies before... This would be the perfect time to go see them for the first time, eh? >Star Wars was a point of reference for me after that. No matter who the >kid (or adult) was, you could always talk Star Wars. So.... Not with me... :( Sorry... :( >What was your first Star Wars experience? Come on folks, show your age - >it's fun! A nice, uplifting, noncontroversial thread. What could be >better... :( Unfortunately, I've never had any... That will soon change within the next couple of weeks (It'll take me that long to find my way off this campus)... But I will see it. >I saw where people were saying "Maynard sang with Tori!" and I kept >flashing on the guy from Dobie Gillis - Maynard G. Krebs - just banging >away on his bongos and singing lustily. And badly. Then I actually saw >the guy and I thought, "oh. Different Maynard." THAT WAS GOOD!!!! :) THAT WAS REALLY GOOD!!!! :) Throughout the entire concert, I didn't sit down once--I just stood up in the middle of the livingroom, hands clasped over my heart, directly in front of the television set... I was going into shock... :) >From: "jupiter's boy" <sthibault@ustanne.ednet.ns.ca> >Subject: everybody wants a piece of you >I bought a new bootleg from the dew drop iNN tour and all i can do Where do you get these? >Did you see x-files after the super bowl? :) Yup:) >From: the woman clothed with the sun <smacky@navix.net> >Subject: and maybe a bright sandy beach..... > >I SMELL CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) I also enjoyed seeing >Tori and Rosie bond.... I missed that... :( How was it? >The doc basically said that yes, i do have tendonitis, but that he >couldn't do much about it. So, in short, I have to shut up and live with >it . :P~ that sux.... I'm sorry to hear that... :( I hope it isn't too bad... >From: Rynn Fox <snoopy@lightspeed.net> >Subject: Tori!!! >TORI on lifetime! Omi Goddess in heaven! THe Cornflake Girl dance! All >Giddy! I've never seen the Cornflake girl dance before! So >earth-Goddessy-mother so wonderful, beautiful! I cried all the way My thoughts exactly! >through the concert!! SO DID I SO DID I SO DID I!!!! :) I managed to catch it on tape, too, and I STILL cry (and I've seen it a couple times since)!!! :) I even made my boyfriend-type-guy watch it with me... Ha. I'm getting him almost as much into Tori as I am!!! :) my work is done... @}-->-->--- ChibiRini Fairy Queen *~^~^~Tania~^~^~* Froggie Playing a Song "...Your apocalypse was fab for a girl who couldn't choose between the shower or the bath... ~Tori Amos, "Hey, Jupiter" %&%&%&%& Tau Beta Sigma %&%&%&%& Pi Delta Pi Save Our Sailors: http//looney.physics.sunysb.edu/~daffy/sos/ Me: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/arruda/tania/chibirini.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] From: Laurahey@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:56:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: here i am, alive again (stupid america online!!) *& a poem* hi guys. the computer deleted my existence for a few days. >:( ARRRRRRGH.... but now we have the whole thing worked out... i'm back. i know that at least some of you have probably gotten messages returned to you that you have sent to me, so if you still have them saved somewhere i'd appreciate them now (and also i'm missing the last issues of rdt -- from the 24th of january on if someone could forward them to me)......... THANKS dan and i had a very close call yesterday/ today. actually the last two or three weeks have been pretty bad. i cried all last night. i thought it was over. today he came over and i think we're back on steady ground. i can breathe again. much love to jana and andrea, steve, and all. thanks guys. laurahey. HERE IS MY FAVORITE POEM OF ALL TIME, that seemed especially relevant last night. ________________________________________________ After A While by Veronica Shoffstall After awhile you learn the subtle difference Between holding a hand and sharing a life And you learn that love doesn't mean possession And company doesn't mean security And loneliness is universal. And you learn that kisses aren't contracts And presents aren't promises And you begin to accept you defeats With your head up and your eyes open With the grace of a woman Not the grief of a child. And you learn to build your hope on today As the future has a way of falling apart in midflight Because tomorrow's ground can be too uncertain for plans Yet each step taken in a new direction creates a path toward the promise of a brighter dawn. And you learn that even sunshine burns If you get too much So you plant your own garden And nourish your own soul Instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers. And you learn that love, true love, Always has joys and sorrows, Seems ever present, yet is never quite the same Becoming more than love and less than love So dificult to define. And you learn that through it all You really can endure That you really are strong That you do have value And you learn and grow With every goodbye you learn. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [top] Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:17:22 -0500 From: Richard Koppinger <rkoppinger@earthlink.net> Subject: Meet my best friend, Annie Hi everybody. = I mentioned my friend Annie in my story about the RAINN concert. She wrote something really beautiful afterwards, and posted it to the Idiot's Delight Digest. I asked her if I could share it with all of you here, and I included our correspondence on the matter. On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:12:03 -0500 Richard Koppinger <rkoppinger@earthlink.net> writes: >Annie, I have a question. > >First of all, what a beautiful piece you wrote. The Idiot's = >Delight Digest hasn't seen anything like this since, well, = >maybe since the time I wrote about Mary Beth and I splitting up. = >Personally, I prefer your piece, as a stronger, first-hand narrative. > >So now, my question. I would like your blessing to post this to the = >RDT (the Tori Digest). Please let me know if you would let me do this. = I >would naturally keep your name attached to it, and email if you desire. = >I will also forward to you the RDT that it appears in, and any comments >(should there be any) that follow. > >Please consider this and reply back. > >Thanks and Blessed Be, >Rich > > >Richard, = >I believe I said this in conversation but I'll reiterate it in print... >The story of my marriage is for any one to see. I grow stronger each >time I tell of what happened and the story I posted to the digest isn't >even 1/2 the events of my brief marriage. If one woman reads it and get= s >out of an abusive situation than I've done a good deed. > >It doesn't hurt me to have the story relayed to other people, it hurts >other women to not know that there - are - survivors out there, and tha= t >- they - too can make it. >maybe I sound melodramatic in this but I still remember thinking that th= e >situation wasn't real that I would wake up to find I was watching a bad >movie of the week... >There are still physical scars that remind me that was not so. > >So please share it and if any one wants to write to me they can. I love= >hearing of other women standing tall and surviving. > >Love = >Annie Subject: angwing: The Wheel of theyear Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 17:42:44 EST From: angwing@juno.com (Annie O'Brien) To: rkoppinger@earthlink.net Five years ago this month I left my ex-husband. He was a man who knew nothing of personal boundaries and of a women=92s self worth. I wandered= around for a while lost, no community to turn to and no friends (abusive men separate their wives from any outside world contacts). I was not raised to take such treatment, but was operating under the cloud of =93ME= ? That=92d NEVER happen to me...=94 already a rape survivor once, little di= d I realize that I had allowed my self to become a statistic again. = The statistics - are - horrible, I don=92t have the exact figures, but th= e estimate is every one and a half minutes a woman is abused by her husband. Anyway, one very cold night in February 1992, I ran away barefoot in the snowy night from the one man that I had vowed to be true to forever. = =93Love, Honor and Cherish=94 does not mean accept being raped and beaten= by your mate. So I had to rebuild my world. I=92m from the Phoenix area in Arizona, going home to Daddy was not an option to this independent Redhead. That would be admitting defeat, that I couldn=92t stand on my own two feet and needed a man (Daddy) to lean on= to exist. No, thank you... I=92d already been down that road. So I did the most irrational thing I could. I moved to the one place that I knew he was afraid of... New York City The Bronx. This may sound like a slur, but it isn=92t. I moved to the Mt. St. Vincent area of Riverdale, an area for those of you who don=92t know, still has tree lined streets and houses with neatly manicured yards. It was beautiful and a welcomed haven to me. Picking up the pieces I went on with life. I met a new young man who listened to me cry at night and simply held me as I wept in the night. = Still not free of my ex-husbands emotional chains I labored and struggled to regain myself. With the aid of a new and old friends in a great Pagan Community I at least was able walk proudly again. =2E..and I didn=92t have to hide in the Bronx any more so I moved to NJ a= nd got a better job. As they do when you are in your early 20=92s relationships came and went.= = The wheel of the year turned round and round and life went on with me taking every opportunity to sample life at it=92s fullest. Pagan festivals came and I went to them, eventually leading me to find a bunch of people in New Paltz, NY area that I felt at ease with. In essence a place (The Center for Symbolic Studies) and a community where my wounds could heal without having to bare my soul in an emotionally wrenching nightmare called battered wife's therapy. I simply was allowed to be me and was accepted and appreciated for my personality quirks. I stopped looking over my shoulder every time I went out in public. ************** flash ahead a few years ************** The man who had become my best friend in the years after leaving Jay became my lover, and became my Fianc=E9. Still afraid to sleep at night,= for the memories still resurfaced in my dreams -- I took a gamble on love... and was successful. = This man I brought into my world, sharing the festivals and introducing him to the people at the Center in New Paltz, in essence, bringing him into a community that had been my haven. Scott and I decided that the best place to get married was at the Center. We set a date for Feb. 1996. It seemed the most natural place. October 1995 came and we readied for the impending nuptuials... then Scott=92s company threw us a curve ball. We were going to be transferred= to Los Angeles. Back west... Great, so I was going practically home anyhow. But Arizona was no longer home. New Paltz and the community that we were part of was. = Samhain is the end of the Pagan calendar... the end of the cycle of the year and a time for goodbyes. In the Samhain ritual Scott and I were the gatekeepers & torch bearers and everyone walked past us down the hill, as they went to dance by the bonfire. Tears rolled down my face and over the PA you could hear one of the Directors of the Center speak of a friend that had lost a child. She threw a stick on the fire in the child=92s memory, as if the sparks that flew up from the searing flames would carry the wishes that her little soul was at peace. We said good bye to the year that was, at that Samhain gather, and also said good bye to a portion of our lives. Looking down at the people drumming and dancing about the fire I felt lost. The rug was pulled out from under me again. I was to lose what I had built up and held dear. the dreams returned. Scott=92s company changed their mind about moving the week after we decided to postpone the wedding. Then they eliminated his department. This left us with the necessity of living on my meager salary and not even being able to think of when we could afford to get married. So trips to New Paltz from Clifton, NJ were cancelled until further notice. No money to pay for frivolous things. So we stayed close to home, watched the Wheel of the year turn in our own backyard... = We didn=92t even call our friends at the Center to say we didn=92t leave.= Our one splurge for the year was Tori Amos tickets for her August performance in NJ. =2E..and I continued to pull myself together and repair the damage that m= y ex husband had done. This time on my own. No leaning on others and saying I was over the fears. In December Scott found full time employment again. = ******** Yule is the first holiday of the Pagan calendar. It symbolizes new beginnings. The dreams had been fewer and far between and I had been gaining more control over the nightmares that were the memories of my first marriage. = As I posted before Yule presents this year from Rich K. were tickets to Tori. The RAINN Benefit. eeps. When Tori sings =93Me and a Gun=94 I try to keep my composure. It isn=92= t easy. There is a vulnerability in her voice. A quality that is there that says =93I am reliving this as I sing it to you. understand that you= can survive too=94 I am usually reduced to tears after hearing that, and find myself sobbing for an hour after hearing it. Most often in the middle of the night as I=92m trying to evade the dreams. This time at the Benefit it was different. The tears ran. During the song. Not hours after. I wrote something about Jay after I had been to the concert: DEMON LOVER =A9 Angela Wing-O=92Brien , January 97 I dreamed of you last night You who were my shadow beast. I dreamed and was no longer afraid. = You once were the source of my light and love. And by your own hand became the source of my fears. You became a darkness that washed over my soul. Many nights since we parted I have stayed awake fearing the terror of my dreams. I would not sleep, for when I slept your darkness would wash over me and reclaim me as your wife. You would torture me and bring me to the edge of death and then when I tried to claim it as my own -- my route to freedom, you would snatch me back. =2E..denying me one more chance, one more right. I was terrified briefly in the dream... But not of, by, or for you. We went for coffee in the dream... My cats wanted to join us when we went for coffee, they tried to cross the street, And when they tried I was bathed in terror for their safety. As cats do, they changed their minds and stayed where they were safe. Smart creatures. I ventured into the unknown, crossing the street with you. A realm where I=92ve only begun to explore. Where my comfort is given by me, my happiness is created by me, And forgiveness seems possible. I ventured into the zone of healing and found that my soul is no longer rent. And I am no longer afraid to dream. ********** The wheel turns again... We went to the Center for Symbolic Studie in New Paltz last night. It was as if we had never left. We went to a Bardic circle, an all night storytelling session. and I shared the above poem. It was a homecoming of immense proportions. = You see, not only did we return to a sense of community, to =93Home=94 but I was able to return to me. =2E..and the wheel goes round and round Blessed Be Annie O=92Brien NP- Roseanne Cash, The Wheel --------- End forwarded message ---------- Thanks again, Annie. Big hugs. 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