Really Deep Thoughts #341

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Date Stamp:                  Digest #341		      Volume: 01
Sun Mar  2 10:17:42 CST 1997


CONTENTS

Oh... these metal bands i used to love & Spice Girls
More spice
Tori and Snoopy
free plug
The Jane Eyre Rebuttal
randomness
Anastasia and those darn death rumors
"money is my mood"
American Medical Association Rape Survey Results
My Tori Story is up!
Pre-LE singles and EPs
how in the world did this happen?  (and, spin magazine)
It don't matter if you're black or white

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:00:32 +0100 (MET)
From: Frederic Jaume <jaume@massilia.univ-mrs.fr>
Subject: Oh... these metal bands i used to love & Spice Girls

Hi all !

in RDT 339, Harold Williams wrote about all these bands like Dokken,
Motley, Poison... I must say that I really loved these bands too at the
time. Whenever I listen to some of these bands again, a lot of cool
memories come to mind. But I admit that I sometimes think that some of
these bands were pretty stupid... :)
'Love on the Rocks... Talk Dirty To Me... Girls Girls Girls... Shout at
the Devil... F*CK like a beast (WASP)...' these were great songs (hmmm..?)
:)
I saw Motley Crue on the Music Awards the other day... it sounded strange,
but it was cool to see them again.
And I saw something about WASP getting back together for a tour, with all
the blood, chainsaws and everything... They must have thought there was
space for them again, thanx to bands like Marylin Manson or NIN.
About the Spice Girls : if I understand, Spice Girls are doing fine in the
US too ! I'm really sorry for this... :)
They've been huge in Europe since last summer, and one would be very lucky
to have something else playing when switching the radio on...
Anyway, i don't like their music (despite the fact that it's supposed to
be dance music, I really think it's flat, with few dynamics...), but they
seem to be cool, but I wouldn't take 250billions Spice Girls instead of
our wonderfull Tori :))  No Way!
Bye!
Hello Cathi & Violet! :)

                           *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
        Information is not knowledge , knowledge is not wisdom   
                 Wisdom is not truth , thruth is not beauty           
                  Beauty is not Love , Love is not Music              
                          Music is the Best !    (Frank Zappa)         
csh> finger/mail/talk jaume@massilia.univ-mrs.fr
csh> mosaic http://newsup.univ-mrs.fr/~modus/etudiants/jaume/index.htm


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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:15:56 -0800
From: Will_Elefante@krinfo.com (Will Elefante)
Subject: More spice

     >What scares me is that they publically "idolise" Margaret Thatcher
     >[now Baroness Thatcher to those of that bent].  That the Conservative
     >party could so blatantly use them to try and garner the youth vote 
     >in the upcoming election is more than just disturbing, it's almost
     >horrifying.  And that's not meaningless.
     
     
     That may be true in England, but in North America (USA in particular), 
     the music of the Spice Girls shouldn't get anyones dander up. The 
     original post was how someone was worried about North American 
     Culture.
     
     
     Speaking of Which....
     
     
     
     Krinstina,
     
     Why are you worried about someone elses likes and dislikes? If they 
     like the Spice Girls, what is it to you? No harm, no foul. I would 
     wonder about people who 'Worry' about my meaningless activities.
     
     
     
     Will

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:38:17 -0500
From: "Yod / \"Bucket\"" <ys8@acpub.duke.edu>
Subject: Tori and Snoopy

Hi people!

I need your help pretty badly. Yes, I know this is a weird request...
but... I need a picture that contains both Tori and Snoopy. It has to be
a real picture too... not doctored. I figure Tori has been pictured
wearing a Snoopy t-shirt at some point in time... right?

HELP! HELP! HELP!

-- 
YOD SAWAMIPHAKDI a.k.a. phikeia "BUCKET"
ys8@acpub.duke.edu | http://yod.dorm.duke.edu/

Pain is real when you get other people to believe in it. If no 
one believes in it but you, your pain is madness or hysteria.
-Naomi Wolf (b. 1962), U.S. author. The Beauty Myth, "Violence" (1990).

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:26:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Jorge Fernandez <jferna03@fiu.edu>
Subject: free plug


first of all, i heard Marilyn Manson's "I Put A Spell On You" last night
and i have two words for good ol' Brian: Diamanda Galas, who sang the most
hair-rasing cover of that one.

anyways, on to the South Florida act i wish would get 1/10 of Manson's
popularity....

103.5 is sponsoring the Nil Lara show this Sunday at Resurrection Hall,
formerly Club Nu, on South Beach. (ah.....Club Nu....the early 90's...any
S. Fl. RDT'ers remember Club Nu?). it's just $1.03 to get in. in my
neverending struggle to spread the gospel of Nil, i feel i have to give
this one a free plug. 

Harold's pro-metal post almost made me post my little "the whole musical
world's gone to hell" diatribe, but i held back. right now i'm too happy
because someone told me there's a new Queensryche album in March. can
anyone confirm?

jorge



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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:44:44 -0600
From: Karen E Meyers <Karen.E.Meyers-2@tc.umn.edu> (Karen Meyers)
Subject: The Jane Eyre Rebuttal

Violet wrote about Jane Eyre:
> It's dull, preachy, stoical, unsatisfying, and I wouldn't
>be sad if any one of the characters burst into flame at any given moment.
> It's as if Bronte attempted to write a
>Christian love story

Whoa! Did we read the same book?  Seriously, everyone is entitled to their
opinions, but having spent the last over ten years of my life working with
the writings of the entire Bronte Family, I find this shocking. I can
certainly tell you that "Jane Eyre" was considered neither Christian nor
moral by the reading population in 1848.  It was a stark, raving success,
however. It is a story laced with ghost stories, mystery, telepathic
communication, love, passion, and social criticism, all centering around
one of the stronger female characters in British Literature.  Charlotte
Bronte was concerned with romantic love and passion, often to the point of
masochism and obsession in some of her juvenelia, and she was not the most
religious of the four surviving children (Anne was). The Christian Religion
pervaded most of the popular literature of the times, sometimes the
references can seem rather pedantic and fundamentalist, but it was the
norm. Charlotte Bronte was, in fact, criticised for her apparant LACK of
religion.
Just want to put my two bits in in defense of Jane Eyre. I find it to be an
engaging, compelling, and incredibly interesting novel.

Karen
P.S. about "burst[ing] into flame at any given moment, " Jane Eyre, the
character, is often described as having a fiery soul. So she does, in
effect, burst into flames numerous times in the book (to Aunt Reed, to
Rochester in the garden, etc...).  As does the entire...well, no, that
would give too much away...


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From: jherron@vt.edu
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:59:21 +0500
Subject: randomness

Top o' tha mornin to ya all,

"can't stop whats coming, can't stop what is on its way"..........that is
how i felt last Sunday after i took a 7 hour "nap" and still awoke a bit
sleepy and icky feeling.  Despite all my attempts at mind over matter, or in
this case mind over germies, the flu bug wiggled its way into my body for a
weeks stay.  YUCK!!!  right at mid-terms too.....DOUBLE YUCK!!!!  Well,
afore i and Cornflake (my cute lil pet rat.....female with cute black beady
eyes!!) flee this place,  i wanted say 'ello to a couple people.

First and foremost, the infamous clare emily.....

>i wonder if i know you?

hmmm, i'm not sure if i know you, but im sure we have passed one another in
Williams sometimes, seeing as how we are both majoring in the use of words.....

and i frequent Bollo's a lot also (MMMMMMMM, mocha and chocolate scone!!!!)
but i don't hink i am the same Jason.....

>if not we're going toohave to get together and play cuz your sig is one of
my fav lines from
>prufrock!!!

YES!!!  we must get together sometime!!!  i must confess that i have just
recently discovered the wonders of poetry.  It was brushed over in high
school (except in advanced classes.....***&&$%%#) and am just now getting
some exposure here at Tech.  I love my lil book of Eliot's selected poems,
especially the Hollow Men and Ash Wednesday......its so great cuz i love
reading something and having it mean different things to me each time!!!!  I
am still not sure how to read a poem and writing one seems way beyond me at
this moment......i just really, really, really enjoy curling up on the couch
and just let the words wash over me.....

>i'm very confused with this new eudora 3.0....where do you live???

What are ya confused about???  Anyway, I live in 120 West Eggleston.  Anyone
in the area, do drop by and we'll have some nice blueberry pancakes from
Gillies for breakfast!!!!

Anyway, reading Eliot, especially Prufrock, made me want to go home and play
Tori.....which has continued for about three weeks.....if my roomate asks me
"is she saying she has an angry snatch" one more time, i shall unleash the
scream heard around the world.......

I have noticed a lot of people talking about Ani a lot lately.......i'll
just say that if you have not listened to her before, RUN to the local
record store and see if they have Out of Range or Not a Pretty Girl or
Puddle Dive or Not So Soft or Dilate or ANYTHING!!!!  (sorry for the
overexcitement!!!)  I dare not compare Ani and Tori live, for they are both
fantastic in different ways, and bring something unique to the stage that no
one else can.  I am soooooo looking forward to the live album in
april.....31 tracks, 2 new songs, and a BIG color picture book!!!

PIDER QUEEN:  I am glad that you found DTHCOL: #2 for my quest has yielding
nothing but number's one and three........I do love my trade paperback
though!!!!! *hugs*

SCOTCH:  Where are ya???  Did you get my mail about the Roanoke pics??  I
really wnat copies and all that good stuff.....jsut tell me where to send
the $$$$$!!!

ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MAILED ME ABOUT D.C. AND ROANOKE SHOWS:  i have not
forgotten about you all.......midterms and all, i've been a bit busy.....i
will have the D.C. show finished over break, but for some reason my friend
has not sent my the Roanoke show back, so thigns will be a bit longer on
that one.  I do PROMISE to get these all out to you all,and i'm sorry its
taking so long........

RYNN AND THOSE WITH REVIVED INTEREST IN STAR WARS:  how'd ya like the Empire
Strikes back on the big screen!!??

k, well, i guess that is it........time to climb in the lil black Bug and
roll home......*HUGS* to all

Jason, who is still in search of the retrospective CD.....

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Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not aslost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men           ---"the hollow men" T.S. Eliot
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:22:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Neil <shoeboy@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU>
Subject: Anastasia and those darn death rumors

> From: Delirium <klg67577@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
>
> Did everyone see the new Disney cartoon movie that is coming out this
> summer?  Anastasia- the story of our favorite Russian princess...  (when
> you live in Orlando, Disney tends to do a little dance in front of you
> every time there is a new movie or something)

I feel the need to make a slight correction here, before everyone starts 
talking about how gross the thought of an Anastasia movie is: Disney is 
NOT making the Anastasia movie - their movie this summer is going to be 
Hercules.  I believe the Anastasia movie will be coming from 20th Century 
Fox.

> From: "Dr. Sandbo" <njbarano@artsci.wustl.edu>
> 
> Guys, I just read on the Ani Difranco list that Tori died of a stomach
> illness.  Now, I realize that the odds of this being true are about a
> zillion to one, but they said they saw it on MTV and heard it on the radio
> and no one has denied it yet, so I'd appreciate an answer just to ease my
> mind.

Let me guess, you heard this from the MegaZone Ani DiFranco list, right?  
I don't think you should believe it at all - and if it's coming from that 
list I would laugh at it.  It can't be the case because I live in 
Baltimore and if it were true it'd definitely be in the news.

Neil

everybody loves you
when you're a star
and nobody questions
what it takes to go that far
- a.d.

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From: "Astronomy Domine" <astrozoo@airmail.net>
Subject: "money is my mood"
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:39:10 -0600

Kristina: i thought "Hercules" was the next Disney movie?
whoa. i didn't expect Fiona to show up at the howard stern movie premiere
but then again i didn't epect Jewel to be almost naked at the Grammys.
Anyway, the reason i'm writting is that i'm wondering if there any other
ppl
in RDT land familiar with canadian (hi kaddy) singers Emm Gryner and
Chantal Kreviazuk.?
someone sent me a tape with their first efforts and i was blown away by it.
i didn't find any web resources from Emm but there are several for Chantal
 ( http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/ChantalKreviazuk/index.html )


Zoo
===================
"On the line between everything and nothing." 
===================
Under The Waves
http://members.aol.com/zooberries/fiona/utw.htm

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From: GrecianUrn@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 05:07:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: American Medical Association Rape Survey Results

Statistics and survey responses on rape, released in 1997 by the American
Medical Association.

Sexual assault continues to represent the most rapidly growing violent crime
in America. More than 700,000 women are sexually assaulted each year.

Only 20% of sexual assaults against women are perpertrated by males unknown
to the victim. The remainder are committed by friends, acquaintances,
intimates and familimy members.

Among female rape victims, 6% are younger than 18. At least 20% of adult
women and 12% of adolescent women have experienced some sort of sexual abuse
or assault during their lifetimes.

A survey of 6,159 college students enrolled at 32 institutions in the United
States revealed the following statistics:

o More than 1 in 4 college-age women surveyed had been the victim of rape or
attempted rape. 

o Fifty-seven percent of the assaults occurred on dates.

o Seventy-three percent of the assailants and 55% of the victims had used
alcohol or other drigs prior to the assault.

o Forty-two percent of the victims told no one.

In a survey of high school students, 56% of the girls and 76% of the boys
believed forced sex was acceptable under some circumstances.

A survey of 11- to 14-year-olds found:

o Fifty-one percent of the boys and 41% of the girls said forced sex was
acceptable if the boy "spent a lot of money" on the girl.

o Thirty-one percent of the boys and 32% of the girls said it was acceptable
for a man to rape a woman if she had past sexual experience.

o Eighty-seven percent of boys and 79% of girls said sexual assault was
acceptable if the man and the woman were married.

o Sixty-five percent of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable
for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months.

In a survey of male college students:

o Thirty-five percent anonymously admitted that, under certain circumstances,
tehy would commit rape if they believed they could get away with it.

o One in 12 admitted to committing acts that met the legal definitions of
rape, and 84% of those men who committed rape did not label it as rape.

In another survey of college males:

o Forty-three percent of college-age men admitted to suing coercive behavior
to have sex, including ignoring a woman's protest and using physical
aggression to force intercourse.

o Fifteen percent acknowledged they had committed acquaintance rape, and 11%
acknowledged using physical restraints to force a woman to have sex.


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I could start an argument about these statistics but manomanoman would
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 09:20:02 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <bethw@sonic.net>
Subject: My Tori Story is up!

Ok, I just looked at Addicted to Noise -- the new issue went up this
morning, and my interview with Tori is in it. If you'd like to have a look,
the URL is: 

http://www.addict.com/html/hifi/Features/Amos,_Tori/970301/

FOr people who have older versions of netscape or lower-speed modems, they
might want to try this one instead: 

http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/Features/Amos,_Tori/970301/

Anyway, have a look at it, (and if you want, let me know what you think)..
And thanks for the support! I'm so happy about this. :) 

Beth

--
"When he remembered it now, Steve thought that it was not so much like
meeting a friend as like recognizing one."
(Poppy Z. Brite, "Lost Souls")

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From: Richard Handal <handal@access.digex.net>
Subject: Pre-LE singles and EPs
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:35:00 -0500 (EST)

Some recent discussion here prompted me to check the release dates of the
pre-LE singles and EPs. These dates are according to the April 1994 issue
of the U.K. magazine Record Collector. All of these are the U.K. releases
on the east west label. (Dates in British dd/mm/yy order.) 

YZ 618T  Me And A Gun EP (SATY/Upside Down/MAAG/Thoughts)  12" 21/10/91
YZ 618CD Me And A Gun EP (SATY/Upside Down/MAAG/Thoughts)  CD  21/10/91

YZ 618   Silent All These Years/Me And A Gun                7" 11/91
YZ 618C  Silent All These Years/Me And A Gun          cassette 11/91

YZ 618T  Silent All These Years/Upside Down/MAAG/Thoughts  12" 11/91
YZ 618CD Silent All These Years/Upside Down/MAAG/Thoughts  CD  11/91

A 7531   China/Sugar                                        7"  1/92
A 7531C  China/Sugar                                 cassette  20/1/92
A 7531T  China/Sugar/Flying Dutchman/Humpty Dumpty         12"  1/92
A 7531CD China/Sugar/Flying Dutchman/Humpty Dumpty         CD   1/92

And then the album Little Earthquakes came out in January 1992: 
7567-82358-1 LP, 7567-82358-2 CD, 7567-82358-4 cassette. 

Be seeing you,

Richard Handal, H.G.

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From: Laurahey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:13:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: how in the world did this happen?  (and, spin magazine)

for the first time in about two years, i have gone a full three days without
a single piece of email.  
hello, out there?  :(  this really *sucks*.  

i did have fun tonite though, playing monopoly (i got thrashed) and wathcing
aladdin with my little brother johnny, who rocks my world.

i spent last night in fife washington.  this morning i had an audition for a
theater scholarship at the university of puget sound.  i loved it even more
this time... i can't wait for the fall!

on the plane home a guy followed me and sat across from me because he thought
i was cute, and he was reading spin... when he was done i asked if i could
have it and he said yes.  then he said, "wait, there's one picture i want..."
so he took the magazine and paged throught it... right to tori!!  >:(
........but then he turned another page and took one of the beastie boys.
 *WHEW*.
so now i have another lovely tori for my collection!!!  :)
(can anyone read what songs are written on her hand?)
and though (ulp) i've never heard ani difranco (ANYONE WANT TO MAKE ME A
TAPE?!?!?!?!??!??!) the picture of her is great too.

and jana, i miss you.  could you write to me please?

okay.  here's another inspiration for you all (i don't know if you've gotten
part one of this yet -- *i* haven't gotten the digest it's in) but i'll mail
this anyway.

love and touch,
laurah.

********************************************************
excerpts from _Wit and Wisdom From The Peanut Butter Gang_ by H. Jackson
Brown, Jr.
--------------------------------------------------------
"Nothing hurts more than guilt." -- Jessica
"It is a good thing we don't always get what we wish for."  -- Rebecca
"A realist is more correct about things in life than an optimist but the
optimist seems to have more friends and much more fun."  -- Megan
"One of the greatest gifts my parents gave me is their love for each other."
-- Jamie
"If you want something in a cereal box and it looks really big, it always
turns out small and crummy." -- Katie
"The smaller the print on things, the more important it is." -- Julie
"Sleeping under the sky and seeing shooting stars is something that you don't
want to miss." -- Melody
"My puppy still has bad breath, even after I gave her a tic-tac." -- Kelly
"Going crazy sometimes and doing something oput of the ordinary is almost
always rewarding." -- Dawn
"It takes more energy to be mad or sad than to be happy."  -- Jaymin
"It hurts a lot to wear rented bowling shoes."  -- Paul
"My dog sometimes understands me better than my family." -- Elizabeth
"The more mistakes I get, the smarter I get." -- Jennifer
"Childhood is not preparation for life, it is life." -- James
"If you are quiet you may hear a compliment." -- Kristy

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From: GrecianUrn@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:47:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: It don't matter if you're black or white

violet@slip.net wrote:

>The RAINN/Calvin Klein ads with Tori show her
>wearing a black t-shirt.  She wore this same shirt
>on Dave.  Naturally, fans want the shirt in black.

Um, no.  I'm a fan, I wanted a shirt, I bought one, it arrived yesterday and
I'm perfectly happy it's white.  Black is way too hot for a T-shirt --
remember those oppressively heavy Amnesty International shirts back in 88?

I could also do without the Calvin Klein logo on the back.  RAINN I support,
but not a clothing company.  Obnoxious clothing labels rank up there with
keeping the license plate frame of the dealer you bought your car from...

>Violet (who thinks the shirts
>should just be . . . violet) ;)

Violet, purple, lavender, fuchsia, burgundy ... all would be lovely.  It's a
big spectrum, and I simply don't understand people's obsession with black...

Peace-Love-Roy G. Biv,

Renaissance


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 I once went through a phase where all I wore as black. I've dated several
people who wont wear anything but black. If its a RULE that a person cant
wear anything but black I usually shrug it off as childishness that will
pass. If a person wants to wear nothing but black but has no RULE about
it, then I would consider that just general preference. Maybe everyone
will just think Im being picky about the difference.

 One is just general freedom and another is restrictions on what can
and cant be done placed on the person by themselves.

 As for me, I like black but Im too eccentric to stick with black
as my entire color choice.

 -cmeyers@Novia.net