RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #32

RDT Right Now #32

From: RDT Right Now <seaclaid@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:47:00 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #32
To: violet@slip.net

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o REALLY DEEP THOUGHTS (RIGHT NOW) #32 Friday, October 17, 1997 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o babble ixnay on the ionafay ashingbay Re: RDT Right Now #30 Re: RDT Right Now #30 On multiple personalities Finalmente respondo a la historia de Lauritahey the bible Death, Life and Rocky Mountain Highs Beths and Mayans and Sirens... catching up RDT Right Now #31 Fwd: Hear "Siren", A new Tori song, Now At The Dent! Mariah Amos? o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o *** LIST NEWS *** Hi Guys, I just want to let everyone know that I'm going to be away for the weekend (it's Pumpkin Festival time in Half Moon Bay again, so I'll be staying at Mum's). I'm going to try to see if I can set everything up at her place so I can put the list out from there, but just in case I don't manage to get it worked out (or have the time -- we might be pretty busy), the list will go out again on Tuesday. I'll put all the posts out in several digests, assuming there will be a lot of posts piled up. But I'll put out at least one more digest -- #33 -- before I leave. Violet xoxox o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:44:46 -0400 From: Nicole Labbe <NML4173@students.ssu.edu> To: seaclaid@earthling.net Subject: babble >>>Next- I forget who it was that had the idea of the mix tape tree, but that would be really cool. Everybody here has at least one artist in common that they like, but everybody is into different branches of music you know? Personally I like everything from Tori, Bjork, and PJ to NIN, Lords of Acid, and Tool. It'd be cool and you might even convert a few people!<<< That sounds like a great idea! Beth Wrote: >>"Faeries" by Brian Froud (and that other guy, someone help me!). I forget the other guys name, too, but Michele, you must get this book. I've had it since I was a child. The illustrations are beautiful. I should buy another one to frame! (If you want the other guys name, I can find it out for you). Hi Angela! Also, can anyone recommend Madeline Peyroux (sorry, don't have her name in front of me) ? How many CDs does she have out? Nicole o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: OMBO@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:42:15 -0400 (EDT) To: seaclaid@earthling.net Subject: ixnay on the ionafay ashingbay OK. The whole Fiona thing. I think it's time for some perspective here. There's been a lot of dumping on Fiona on both this list and my Courtney Love/Hole list, and I am truly over it. I'm not trying to dump on anyone specific here. But there's been a lot of going on about some stupid things that Fiona has said, usually from people who tend to start like "I really like Fiona's music, but...", and there seems to be the inference that the things she has said come anywhere close to being as important as her music. And IMO, that just ain't the case. It might be different if she was a shithead, instead of a basically decent person who's just said some stupid things. I don't think she is a shithead. I think she's made mistakes with things she's said, just like we all do. The difference being, of course, that when we say stupid things, they ain't printed in SPIN. And you know what? I'm just having a really hard time seeing that these things are terribly important in light of how great her music is and how much potential she has to be even better. I'm sorry, but I just don't think some stupid statements are one tenth as important as quality music. Hell, one twentieth. And yes, that even goes for what she said about Tori. I didn't read the article, but I gather that she's honking off about how Tori talks so much about rape. I got news for you. A lot of people think that way - a lot of people who, again, aren't necessarily featured on the covers of big glossy magazines. Unless you're prepared to be just as angry at all of them, I just have to say that I don't understand the intensity of the anger at Fiona. Yes, she's wrong. People often are. It doesn't make them bad people. It just makes them wrong. I definitely think that Fiona should be a bit more careful about what she says, at least in public. But I think she'll learn that. I think her heart is in the right place. I have no proof of that, but it's the feeling I get. So I think she should definitely be cut some slack. I'm sorry that I got a little pedantic there. But I'm not THAT sorry. :-) Steve the Sweet (If Sometimes Pissy) Fat Man o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] To: seaclaid@earthling.net Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:13:19 -0400 Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #30 From: jdsbgldy@juno.com (baglady on roof) -------+ > | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | > | with sad. --Tori Amos | > | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | Both of those are amazing quotes. Thanks for putting them in here, it hit a note on me that needed it badly. Sarah, I really hope that (whatever advice or action you finally took) everything worked out. So many times we are lost in the act of helping, to the point where we forget to care about *who* we're helping. I'm so overwhelmed by number of caring and gentle people in here. (not including the "FuckYou" person of course...) Hats off in a major way to Michael Jones and the advice he gave to Sarah. Michael, I may not agree 100% with you, but all differences aside- I think you said it beautifully and honorably. I respect that so much. The world needs more "specks of dust" like you. With all of this said, I want to make it clear I'm not trying to kiss ass or make friends the easy way. When I see good being done, I'll be damned if I just stand and watch indifferently. >I have a live recording of a show (where? Im sure I dont >know) where Tori had some sort of break down while on >stage and started screaming and ran off. she hid >backstage for like 45 minutes and finally she managed to >come on stage and tell them that she was sorry but she >couldnt play. Hannah, when was this exactly? I haven't heard about this before. > sorry for bothering everyone. >thank you for not reading. >-t+gun Listen, you're not bothering anyone. That's bullshit and you know it. (looks menacingly at anyone who dares to disagree) Hey write me personally, I'll listen to everything you feel like telling me, ok? I'm not the best at giving advice but at least I can listen well. Even if you don't want to talk to me, talk to someone. God I sound like a GreenLeaf commercial I know, but I'm serious about this. I have a friend named Lance who was cutting himself in a McDonald's bathroom and before he knew it he cut too deep, passed out and would've died if someone hadn't found him in time. Please, there's so much more out there to life than this misery. Trust me on this. Talk to somebody, do yourself at least that one favor. take care, Jane "Don't compromise yourself- you're all you got." -Janis Joplin o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:45:51 -0300 To: precious-things@smoe.org, RDT(RN) <seaclaid@earthling.net> From: Laura <ldamico@adinet.com.uy> Subject: 4.20 am new Tori.. I don't wanna wake up from this dream :) I barely took 3 breathes (whatever the right way of saying it might be) during the first time I heard the song, listened for a second time 'cause I didn't remember what I heard, I was so anxious... and after that I was like WHAT! :-\. Third time came as I started typing this and I'm getting friends with the song . Just started 5th playback I kinda like it :-) it's sooo different. Ok time to listen to the lyrics now.. I won't go to bed before I get the lyrics.. this will be tough Ok scroll down for what I figured out...but be prepared to laugh.. my ear is used to spanish remember :) so have mercy on me and don't start flames coming my way ;) We know... didn't? lie to you ....all the way You know... lie to you and in the only way and I lie .... and you say ...girl know, know too well, no chill? know she beggs my siren know she needs flesh no chill know she writes??? my siren no no chill noo never was born for a pussy girl cool kitty calling for an ambulance sweety try ..love him??? in the stomach <something that sounds japanese to me> is gonna saw your leather handy almost brave almost a prick? and almost denying love ????? ????? end of lot of playbacks....I love it! :):) I want moremoremore laura o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:42:08 -0700 To: RDT Right Now <seaclaid@earthling.net> From: violet@slip.net Subject: On multiple personalities All of us are different people in different situations. All of us have different hats we wear on different days. You might be obnoxious and loud around your friends, but become quiet in a classroom. Respectful around older people, but bratty towards your parents. Shy around new people, but sexy with your boy/girlfriend. Awkward and scared when giving a speech, but confident when put in charge of a group project. Every single person alive has different masks they wear to suit various roles and circustances. Everyone. Personally, I am a person of psychological extremes, which is one reason why I'm in therapy, I suppose. ;) My varying aspects of myself cause a lot of confusion in myself and in my friends. In high school, in fact, there were people who were afraid of me because they said I was schizophrenic. I wasn't, of course, as schizophrenia is not about multiple personalities (and I don't have THOSE, either). And I have a close personal friend who *is* schizophrenic, so I know that it is nothing that I am dealing with. But people often said it, and it hurt that they would be that mean, but even then I knew it was only because I had a lot of parts -- a lot of different feelings and moods that could come on at the drop of a hat -- and that most people, even wearing different hats, are more on an even keel than I am... more moderate. On every aspect of personality, I am a 1 and a 10 at the same time. I am NEVER balanced, never a 5. For example, I am a very kind person, but also have an extreme cruel streak. I love Kim more than just about anything, but he is also the person I hate and despise and resent more than anyone else the entire world. I am very bold and confident talking to anyone and everyone, and at other times I am so painfully shy that I can't stand to leave my house. Sometimes I walk down the street and stop to say hello to every neighbor I pass, other times I slink along looking at the pavement and hoping that no one will notice me. I can be silly and laughing on minute, and then one tiny little thing can change (like I'll get a bill in the mail and there will be a tiny error) and I'll become instantly despondent and suicidal. Some days I feel I can tackle life's biggest problems and take on the whole system, other days I literally break down and fall to pieces if they don't have the brand of juice I want at the market. Some days I dress all in black, other days I wear orange socks with purple pants and a green shirt and hot pink lipstick. One day I am hot, the next day cold, but I'm never never just comfortably warm. I can be the most friendly and supportive person in the world, and then turn around and be aloof and standoffish. So I'm working and hoping that one day I will be able to balance myself. One reason that I became so attached to Tori is that I see that she is like this as well, but more importantly, I see her struggling with the exact same parts of herself as I do. Especially where sexuality is concerned. So she's helped me along, making me feel I have a companion holding my hand as I walk down the road. Violet xoxox * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Roses are red, violets are blue, * * I'm schizophrenic...and so am I. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:35:16 -0300 To: RDT(RN) <seaclaid@earthling.net> From: Laura <ldamico@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Finalmente respondo a la historia de Lauritahey First of all, this is the last time I'll write to the list in spanish, promised! So be patient with me this time ... Laurahey wanted to get mail in spanish... now here's my reply :) (english version below) Hola Laura :) Esto es raro, parece que me estuviera escribiendo a mi misma ;) Lem en RDT(RN) que quermas que te escribiesen en espaqol. Tus deseos son ordenes asi que todo este mensaje sera en espaqol. Mas abajo ira la traduccisn para que los que no estuvieron en espaqa tambiin entiendan ;) Recien termino de leer tu carta a Tori y la historia de cuando la conociste. La carta me parecis *muy* sincera y estoy segura que Tori debe haber comprendido cada palabra y sentimiento que escribiste. Con la historia termini en lagrimas y es no es facil de lograr. Hasta ahora solo R. :-)[~ me habma conmovido a tal grado con sus mensajes. De todas maneras, quiero agradecerte profundamente el haber compartido todo esto con nosotros. Yo *amo* leer ese tipo de historias. Algzn dma me encantarma poder sentir con mi propia piel cosas como esas , pero estoy a miles de kilometros de distancia, asm que por el momento me conformari con vivir esas cosas maravillosas a travis de vuestras experiencias... asm que EWF, continuen compartiendo :) Gracias nuevamente, Laura, EWF en Uruguay ----------------------------------------------------------------------- English version for lazy spanish readers ;) Hi Laura :) This is weird, it seems like I'm writing to myself ;) I read on RDT(RN) that you wanted people to write to you in spanish. Your wish is an order so all this message will be in spanish. I'll paste a translation below so the people that didn't go to spain will also understand ;) I've just finished reading your letter to Tori and the story of when you met her. I found the letter to be *very* sincere and I'm sure that Tori understood every word and feeling that you wrote down. After reading the story I found myself in tears and that is not easy to achieve. So far only R. :-)[~ had touched me to that degree with his messages. Anyway, I'd like to thank you for sharing all that with us. I really like reading those kind of stories. I'd love to feel in my own skin things like that someday, but I'm thousands of kilometers away, so for the time being I'll comply with living those great things through your experiences... so please EWF keep sharing :) Thanks again, Laura, EWF in Uruguay (plane-L to avoid confussion) p.s. Lisa in Norway and Beth W. (BeththeonewhointerviewedTori is too long, so I guess i'll stick to Beth W. from now on) you're right, the movie must be Higher Learning... he probably translated the title from spanish and those vary greatly from the original ones. Example : The Witches of Salem = The Crucible (Hi lisa) The mess of Wanda = A fish named Wanda and the most disastrous one is the "translation" to Dead man Walking... that had so little to do with the original name, that I can't remember it right now... BTW if we had a version to this list in spanish down here, I can assure it wouldn't be translated as RDT right now... it's more likely to be translated as RDT At This Moment or better yet Really Deep Thoughts Right Now = "the thinkers that got too deep" ... no, it's not a long nonsense title you should go to the movies down here, believe me.. :) oh...I remember the name ... be prepared.. "dead man walking" = "while you are with me" and I didn't made this one up.. I don't have that great imagination :) ok. that was enough from me.. for months.. byebye again.. I'm back to my lurker life :) besos plane-L _________________________________________________________________ 'How do you know I'm not having a Margarita with Jesus tonight at 10 o'clock?' - Tori Amos Come join me in my dream... Margaritas With The Goddess - Margaritas Con La Diosa http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/3373/ _________________________________________________________________ When the spanish conquerors came, they had a bible and the native american had land. They tought the natives how to pray with their eyes closed, and when the natives opened their eyes again, they had a bible and the conquerors had the land. @? :-\ o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:16:45 -0700 From: Will_Elefante@krinfo.com (Will Elefante) Subject: the bible To: seaclaid@earthling.net *throw in my 1 1/2 cents on sarah's religion thing...i was raised *christian....never did believe any of it..jesus christ..yeajh sure *whatever....read the bible..nice book......can't buy into *it......father son *etc....so i became an atheist I used to think that way. I dunno, maybe its because I'm older now that I started to take a second look at the things I was taught when I was younger. After all, there are a lot of my ancestors that found comfort in Christianity and I can not say that they were wrong to follow the teachings of the church. I guess it depends on 'Who' is interpreting the Bible for you. Example: for years, popular sentiment states that masterbation was a sin. This is referred to the 'sin of Onan'. If you read the passage (I don't have the book or chapter on hand), the story is about a man who cannot get his wife pregant. He asks his brother to impregnate his wife. His brother agrees and goes to have sex with his brother's wife. Right before he climaxes, he pulls out of the woman and 'spills his seed onto the ground'. The man is put to death because of this act. My problem is 'where does masterbation' fall into this act? I think the story tells more about betrayal than masterbation. One of the best shows I have ever seen about the bible is the series on the A&E network called 'mysteries of the bible'. They take a situtation in the bible and it is explained by College Professors and/or authors but not ministers or preachers. This series actually opened my eyes into the bible. One of the best explanations of the bible I have heard is that the bible is a history of a peoples being Human. The bible is full of people trying to be perfect but failing badly. King David, one of God's chosen, ordered the death of his lovers husband because he wanted her for his very own. For this act, he paid for it with the death of his own son (what goes around, comes around). Will o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:16:12 -0400 To: RDT Right Now <seaclaid@earthling.net> From: Beth Coulter <betheqt@voicenet.com> Subject: Death, Life and Rocky Mountain Highs I have read the various posts on the death of John Denver. I guess what disturbs me most is the repitition of my daughters comment: "He's dead, so what?" Being of the generation of the '70's (forgive me please, a curse of birth), I grew up with "Grandma's Feather Bed" and "RMH", "Take me Home Country Roads" and the best bit of poetry, "The Box". In this day and age when F*ck and S*it and other obsenities are par for the course, I would like to comment on an age of innocence. John Denver (believe it or not) made smoking pot just a "home time" thing to do, no more than slopping the pigs, milking the cows and lighting up a nice "J'" for the end of the day. Yes, his melodies were simple and his lyrics simpleton, but he shined a light for us who were disillusioned by "Watergate", the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations. We, who were too cynical for hope and dreams, were able to find happiness with "Sunshine" on our shoulders. I ask you all to listen to the great poets of the 1970's, John Denver, Jim Croce, Carole King and James Taylor. No, you will not find the "depth and anguish" found in the poets of the '90's, but perhaps you can find the magic that brought hope to a hopeless generation. (Talk about hopeless--this is the generation that brought "Disco" to popuarity!) I feel great sorrow when I read comments that say in part--I'm glad Denver is dead. Even those who do not know his music hate him for principles sake. I am not saying that Johnny was the greatest musician in the world, but he had a lot to say, and said it in such a fun but meaningful way. I beg of all of you!!!--do not take joy from anothers demise. Feel sorrow that perhaps the man died before he said what he needed to. Think of how you would feel if Tori took off in one of those "Formula" cars that she loves and crashed, burned and died. How would you feel if others rejoiced in her death? I do wish to express that I truly believe that death is but a door to another, better place, but to negate others grief is just plain wrong. *OPPS----got on the stupid soapbox again! someone knock me down!* At any rate, as an "old woman", can I ask tolerence in the passing of "0ld Artists"? They may not fit into your tastes, but they had a message way back then that made being confused an ok state to be in. "Confusion is good! It means you are thinking!" Saw a great Edit. cartoon. J. Denver reaches the pearly gates to see George Burns sitting in God's throne and he says, "OH GOD!" Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! If you haven't seen the movie, rent it. "God makes Mistakes!" Thank the powers that be that Tori is not one of those mistakes, just a precious gift and muse to us all. *end blabbering* Fairy Blessings, Bethey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:15:47 -0700 To: seaclaid@earthling.net From: Beth Winegarner <bethw@sonic.net> Subject: Beths and Mayans and Sirens... Bethey wrote: >OK. I hate the confusion so I will now be called "Bethey". Only my >dearest friend calls me that, so now ALL OF YOU have to be my dearest >friends!!! ;) I can live with that. :) It's creepy though, since my friends sometimes like to call me 'Bethie' sometimes. My real name is Bethany, and sometimes my dad goes too far and calls me Bethany-ny... *sigh* I poured my soul out to the SF goth list last night because someone out there was saying how they didn't want to donate their organs because some moron might get them... So I posted about my mom, and how if there had been enough sets of lungs to go around she might still be alive right now. Sometimes I feel guilty, like I'm using this obviously heart-wrenching story to play with someone's ideas, but at the same time how can I not? How can I sit there and be politely silent? My stomach is churning just thinking about it... The digest hasn't gone through yet, but I had one email from a lady who said she noticed... Maybe this is sacrilege or something, but I didn't like Foxfire the book. I got about 2/3 of the way through it and gave up. I couldn't stand the writing style! I thought the movie was so well done, well acted, well edited, well cast -- and the songs they chose were wonderful. I've always wanted to do film scores in the sense that the song actually heightens the mood of a scene (rather than just being a 'cool song' to get the movie/soundtrack to attract more customers). Especially that song they picked for the, ah, 'topless' scene (anything else would really give away one of the best parts of the film) and the use of that Candlebox song, which I always liked, but never so much as when I saw the movie. (It also included that song with the line "I'm a Goddess not your mother" that we all know so well). And I just adore Angelina Jolie and that girl who played Maddy. Tpr(?) said: > From what I understand, and this is from very hazy memory, the Mayan >calendar has us moving into the Sixth World. At least I think it was >the sixth, and I think it was even prophesied as a final act for our >species. I don't know nearly enough about this stuff (especially considering one of my close friends is what he calls a 'Mayan Timekeeper' in this life) but essentially the Mayan calendar ENDS in the year 2011 (which is, coincidentally, the original release date for the final Star Wars movie, back when Lucas was planning the releases. It might still be, I don't know). Each Mayan year is a cycle of 260 days (instead of 365) and there of course are a ton of other cycles which I totally forget. The neat thing is, you get a Mayan birthday every year, and you can figure out when that is by counting each 260-day cycle since the day you were born. Each '260' is your birthday. So I had my 24th earth birthday on March 5 this year, and my ... I forget which one ... mayan birthday on May 24th of this year. Scotch said: >I know there are other 80s metalheads on the list, dammit. Such as Jorge >Jorge Jorge of The Jungle and maybe Beth The Wine Gardener...? Oh, dear. Is it that obvious? *laugh* I don't listen to too much of that stuff anymore, but I sure did when I was a teenager. Most of my teen memories are linked to 80s metal -- White Lion, Scorpions, Metallica, etc. The only ones I listen to much anymore is Metallica. I've had a recent revival though 'cause one of my managers at work is *really* into all that stuff, and it's hard not to want to get into it when he's around. :) I remembered the name of that book on Muliple Personality Disorder that I mentioned before: "Making Monsters" by Richard Ofshe. It's basically a compelling argument for the position that MPD doesn't exist. So I've just (just now!) heard "Siren" -- WOW! I love the feel of this, the rhythm, it's so rich and organic and lovely. Do we know (of course we don't) if these songs are just special to the soundtrack or will they bo going on Tori's next album? Oh well. ONe more thing I have to go into here. The new ish of SPIN. Now, I'm none too thrilled with Miss Apple but that's a story for another day. ("I'm going to die young?" What is that? A deathwish?) What I really liked was EVERYTHING ELSE. Wow. What an intelligent issue! It almost read like an old _Sassy_ or something. All those little cultural icons (Claire Danes *and* Jordan Catalano! And Angelina Jolie!). I also liked how Tori was sandwiched between Lil Kim and Kathleen Hanna. :) :) But anyway, the "Sex Tips for Boys" from Bust was so cool, man, EVERYTHING was cool. Very intelligently written. Probably left some things out, but it put a whole lot more in and I appreciated that. So people should check it out, even though Miss Apple looks like she's on 'ludes on the cover. I gotta go have a real life now guys... Beth -- "Don't say you're easy on me -- you're about as easy as a nuclear war." (Duran Duran o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: DVChick@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:59:50 -0400 (EDT) To: seaclaid@earthling.net Subject: catching up Hello all... Finally i have caught up with reading all the posts. Like i said the first time i posted, this is the first time i have ever done one of these postings, so i am confused on basically two things. What exactly is the significance of * * and _ _ when you use them. Is there any signficance? Ok ok now that i made a real idiot out of myself i will continue on. I have scanned through all of the posts that i missed out on..which i had about 5 backed up because my profs think it's fun to pile exams up on their students. But anyway i have been reading about religion and multi- personalities and well i guess i really have nothing much to say about either except this. I have found the Buddhism philosphy very comforting because it doesn't stress that you believe in everything that is taught, but rather just keep an open mind about the beliefs. It is more of a philosophy than a religion, and while i am not "orignally from any culture that deals with Buddihsm" or even remotely aware of all the facts about Buddhism, it is something that i think everyone should check out. And on multi personalities and Tori...well i say we all need multiple personalities, well at least i need them. It helps us deal with things in different ways. Think about it, are you the same person in all situations? I know we would love to jsut say "I am me. I don't change for anyone or anything" I know i would love to say that. But moving away form home made me realize how many different people i am. I am a different person to my family when i go home, i am a different person to my boyfriend and i am totally different with my friends. I know you are talking about Tori and her personalities and not me or you, but we are all the same. We all deal with things differently, with different appraoches. So i think Tori just combines them in all her lyrics...I don't know..am i making sense to anyone else? I always have a hard time explaining myself. I originally started writing because the one post i read, i think Manda wrote it (sorry if i misspell or got the wrong name) She said something that she isn't as old and mature as she once thought she was. Well I am 20, I know i am not a wise person yet, but when i first got here at college last year i realized that i will always be a kid and young no matter what. And i want to stay that way. Why would you want to change? I was a misfit in high school, called a "freak" even though i dressed as everyone esle dressed, did lots of activities and got good grades. Once i left there i found myself here. You just have to be pactient until you find where your place is. Things start making more sense. I feel like me here. I am me and me and me...all the different me's, i am here. I feel accepted for who i am. I feel respected for what i do and the choices i make. So at 16, you shouldn't give up hope. Just accept that that's the way it is going to be until you can do somethign about it. And when you could do somethign about it, don't accept it. Make it work, find your place in this world that you feel at home at. Believe me, then you will grow into much more than a "bigger name." Plus then you can keep all the mint chocalate ship ice cream you want in YOUR OWN freezer! : ) smile angela o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: JWFJ10D@prodigy.com (MISS MARY J EIDE) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:03:40, -0500 To: seaclaid@earthling.net Subject: RDT Right Now #31 I think that you can find Tori shirts online at cdnow if you type in Tori Amos. I found 4 shirts last I checked. I would loooove to have a tori t-shirt too. I heard that Tori and Trent Reznor were engaged to be married but then they broke up, and Tori was so upset that she set her piano on fire. Is this true? Does anybody know anything about this? I also heard that Tori and trent are like best friends...I thought they mostly hung out around 94 when he sung in past the mission... Mary o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: MM62@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:12:22 -0400 (EDT) To: seaclaid@earthling.net Subject: Fwd: Hear "Siren", A new Tori song, Now At The Dent! thought you guys might want to read this!!! new tori music!!!! yessss!! luv polly --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: Hear "Siren", A new Tori song, Now At The Dent! Date: 97-10-16 09:53:47 EDT From: DeadPetals To: IiIdragon,MM62,FareyFreak lookit, peeps - a new T song!!! ahhhh... paris, this might be the song that you heard on the radio the other day! (i'll w/b later i promise) :o) lovies, steph~*~*~ --------------------- Forwarded message: From: mikewhy@iglou.com (Michael L. Whitehead) Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org Reply-to: mikewhy@iglou.com (Michael L. Whitehead) To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: 97-10-15 22:19:13 EDT Hi Ears With Feet, Through the generosity of Toriphile Matt Meyers, I have obtained a 1:34 minute wav sound clip of a new Tori song called "Siren" that is scheduled to appear on the Great Expectations soundtrack soon! This clip appears on an Atlantic Promotional CD that is floating around. Read more details and hear this new clip at my web site, A Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe, now! http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html And let me know what you think as well. New Tori music at last! It is a good day :) Yours in Tori, Mikewhy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos ------------------------------------------------------------------------- o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:09:57 -0500 To: seaclaid@earthling.net From: "conner@sanasys.com" <conner@sanasys.com> Subject: Why do the things we do right feel so wrong? I was sitting here yesterday afternoon. At my computer, reading RDT-RN, and humming along with a song on the radio. Everything I was doing was right. Nothing could have made it feel wrong. Then Jim came over. Jim is this guy I used to like. Just a hint about what he's like... he hates Tori, told me I was stupid, and once burned my entire notebook of poetry. I always fall for the guys who treat me like shit. Not sure why. Jim asked me if I wanted to go out to dinner with him. "Sorry, I made plans with Kari for tonite". It felt *SO* good to refuse to let him have his way. "So she's more important to you than I am?" A monkey's more important to me than he is at this point. "Yeah.. Kari's my best friend. You hurt me, and she never has." I'd rather spend time with her anyway. So why do I feel like what I did was wrong? I told him "no" for once. I didn't let him have his way. I didn't give in. I could've gone with him and lived through another nite of verbal abuse and insults. I didn't. And I felt bad about it. Today is different. Today I feel good. Today I wrote poetry and hid the book. I won't let him hurt me again. I don't need anymore hurt. I've got enough to go around I bet. I think I'm in the right here. It feels pretty good to shut out pain. Just want to say "Hiya." to laurahey. Thanks for brightening my day laura. --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- --=-- It feels good to rip open an envelope and find money. But it feels better to open your heart and let someone see inside you. Hugs 'n' Twinkles, Manda o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:01:35 -0700 From: Doug Smeath <bsmeth@slkc.uswest.net> To: seaclaid@earthling.net Subject: Mariah Amos? In watching that weirdo music video channel The Box with my little brothers, I noticed something kinda interesting... Don't you think it's funny that Mariah Carey's last big song was called "Honey," and now she has a new song out called "Butterfly"?!?! (Of course, both are MUCH WORSE and MUCH MORE ANNOYING than Tori's by the same names!! :-)) o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Touch A Stranger digest *** To Write PRIVATE mail to me, my PERSONAL address is: <violet@slip.net> To post messages to this list: <seaclaid@earthling.net> To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send mail to <seaclaid@earthling.net> with either "Subscribe Thoughts" OR "Unsubscribe Thoughts" in the body of the message. ARCHIVES: http://www.slip.net/~violet/archives/Thoughts_archive.html Other Tori mailing lists: * Precious Things (on-topic discussion of Tori and her music): bounce version <precious-things-request@smoe.org> OR digest version <precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org> (put the word "subscribe" in the body of your message) * ToriNews (strictly time-sensitive info about Tori -- no chat): this list is subscriber only, and is currently in the process of moving to Smoe.org. 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