RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #223

RDT Right Now #223

From: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:21:06 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #223
To: violet@silcon.com

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o REALLY DEEP THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW #223 Wednesday, June 24, 1998 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o smacking newbies in general... (no subject) judy garland Jacki O rasberry swirl UK Limited Edition Spark Single poetry kroq REVELATION on Y Kant Tori Read Fwd: Tori Trivia Contest (info only the map Getting caught up on things again... speaking of rape crisis centers... have YOUself a merry little christma Y Kant Tori Read some stuff, then some more stuff YKTR LP for sale in SF!! No Subject tori covers king crimson? Lyrics Re: Y Kant Tori Read More Pink ___________________________________________________________________ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori ___________________________________________________________________ No report today. ___________________________________________________________________ mark your calendar iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ___________________________________________________________________ Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:31:09 +1000 To: RDTRN Mailing List <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> From: Danielle Ringrose <fadagurl@torithoughts.org> Subject: smacking newbies in general... okay. Forgive me for sounding harsh, but I *have* to agree with what Jorge had to say: <excuse the large snippage, but please remember that some people have short memories! [me included]) >back in the day before one million different ISP's and anyone being able to >get an AOL account, there was more of an effort to teach people things like >netetiquette and how you should post to a mailing list. now you're given a >username, a password, and a kick in the ass. one of the things i was taught >when i first entered the world of listservs is that you read a list for >about a month of two before posting in order to get a feel for the list. i >don't mean this to sound like i'm discouraging newbies, but a lot of the >time someone will come on the list and post something which was discussed in >a thread a week or month earlier, or someone will post something (that PETA >rally thing comes to mind immediately) that the rest of the list is not >going to take kindly to. i think if we all waited a little and got to know >what makes RDT what it is, what are the "unwritten rules" we've come to live >by, and who's who on this list (if i see one more person call Ventrue >"Fragments", i'm going to hurl my computer out the window), we'd avoid a lot >of confusion. *Sigh* or the fact that 'fragments' (sorry, I just had to say that) is a gurl :p *laughs* My little whinge stems out of something I also whinged about on rec.music.tori-amos, or rmta (for those of you who like ng's or use dejanews). The fact that a few newbies *don't* hang around for a while to get the jist of the groups they're reading, then post -and more often than not- questions that are ... bleedingly obvious... *sigh* Yes, I'm incoherent... not enough caffeine, and starting to feel guilty for not starting my study. :| To give an example: rmta uses special threadmarkers to stop people whingeing about the "off-topic" nature of the newsgroup. In doing so, they use -I- to mark irrelevant posts, and -R- for Tori-relevant ones (just to name the basics of the ng). Hey! This seems handy, right, and you'd find that out if you did a bit of reading around, and reading the fAQ, and all that fun stuff (similar to reading Violet's "welcome" message, I spose). However, some people still insist on just popping in for 2 seconds and saying "what's with all this I and R and why don't you talk about Tori?" Which is really annoying, especially if you like reading rmta. But I digress. Yes, Jorge, I agree with you. I hung around on RDT for a while, to get the feel of the messages, and the people, and the topics being posted. I'm still not very fond of the 5-line message on this list... but that's just me... writing 7 K messages to everyone *slap*. To give another illustration: if you heard a group of people at a party were talking about Tori, your manners (and your damn common sense!) would dictate that you'd probably slide into the group, listen for a bit, see what they're talking about, where the conversation's heading... and maybe after a while, pop in a comment or two to test the water, and so on. And you'd probably introduce yourself, for that matter. To me, the other situation which seems to happen could be equated with the following: you hear a group of people at a party, talking about Tori... and you're just sooooooooo excited and you think it's really k3wl and stff !! :) so you pop in and ask" hey, did tori have a miscarriage? I heard she got married or somethink!" See what I mean? In any situation, you test the waters. And there is nothing more satisfying, anyway, than to do research on your own - whether that be academic or purely for leisure. Posting questions (like the quiz, although that *did* result in some damn funny responses) is - IMO (trust me, it's not very humble at the moment) layzeee. I'm sure Mikewhy would have some resources that would have many answers - or at least would be able to point you at some other web site that would. Search engines are also very helpful. <I think I'll tone down the sarcasm now> And should I take my waste-of-bandwidth time to lament about the state of the English language in online communication? <English teacher mode firmly on...> umm... paragraphs, anyone? Sentences, anyone? That's why I like RDT - 99% of the posters write more than 1 par anyway, and when they do, it makes sense! :) *happy Dani* sorry, there's nothing that makes me smile more on the Internet than seeing a rare site, or receiving an e-mail with good spelling, grammar and *lo!* someone who can use a large-ish vocab. Damn, the Bitchy Faerie got out and danced on the keys there for a second *sheepish grin* Excuse me while I run my e-mail through spellcheck (I don't even know if Eudora has a spellcheck anyway), Lots of love and dictionaries, Dani. ...:: fadagurl@torithoughts.org ::... ...::lemonpie@psynet.net::... ...::http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/1529::... "The internet is a great way to get on the net." Bob Dole. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: dmatusew@webtv.net (mike matusewic) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:32:00 -0500 To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Hi, I'm Diana and I'm new here. I once heard that Tori and Trent Rezner were a couple. I don't know if thats true or not but thats just what I heard. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Happy Fantom <sgriffes@umich.edu> To: ToriBoi@aol.com cc: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: judy garland Tori has mentioned several times that Judy Garland is one of her idols. Judy is also mentioned in "Not the Red Baron": "Not judy g, not jean jean jean with a hollowed heart". i think thats how the line goes (i havent listened to that in awhile!) she also says something about "With every step, with every beautiful heel pointed" that makes me think of the ruby slippers in wizard of oz. There is also a YKTR song that mentions a Ruby heel i think...i cant think of it off the bat...Pirates maybe? anyways, You Go To my head is a judy garland song? i didnt know that...my YKTR bootleg says tori wrote the words, but boots can be wrong. hmmm...I cant imagine Judy Garland singing "I'm such a lush for your love" and "and you know i can never say no to you and your friend" toriniss, steve "Calling for my soul At the corners of the world I know she's playing poker With the rest of the stragglers" --Tori Amos "Liquid Diamonds" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:47:58 -0500 To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org From: Sped Erstad <serstad@acc.jc.edu> Subject: Jacki O For those who are as into as Jackie's Strength as I am (recently got engaged with it playing in the background!) you should check out the move "House of Yes" starring Parker Posey. Pretty fun little movie about a very very dysfunctional family (let's put the 'fun' back in 'dysfunctional') with some cool stuff about Jacki O. Based on a play, so the dialog is very clever (best movies to sit through are based on plays: The Crucible, Glengary Glenn Ross, A Few Good Men, etc.). That is all... .s. --------------------- Shane "Sped" Erstad Email: serstad@acc.jc.edu or ecic@usa.net Homepage: http://www.jc.edu/~serstad -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:27:22 +0500 From: tost@cyber.net.pk (Naushin Lotia) To: precious things <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: rasberry swirl what are the background lyrics in rasberry swirl? during the chorus. i think she says three lines and the last one to me sounds like "i can't forget her" anyone else have any takes on this? n. -- "I'm an unglamorous person, and don't have the need to write pretty or be pleasant." -Ani DiFranco. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: RsbrySwrrl@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:53:41 EDT To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: UK Limited Edition Spark Single Hi all! I got the Spark UK Limited Edition single apparently the day it arrived over here and it has the postcards in it. What I was wondering is : how many postcards are supposed to come in it? Cuz I've heard its supposed to have 3 in it, but mine has 4. Two of them are the same. I'm just wondering if mine is special, or if they all have 4 cards. Heather "I am not your senorita, I am not from your tribe." -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: nadene wiggins <gothiclove16@yahoo.com> Subject: poetry To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org i just thought some of you would probably be interested. I'm starting a poetry mailing list for writers to trade works. if anyone's interested, go to my website at http://www.angelfire.com/md/gothiclove/index.html at the bottom, there will be a thingy to join. Nadene "can't stop where we come from and i want to be close if you hurt me once i hurt myself today to see what i could feel i hurt myself today, you said, to try and make hm feel so i hurt myself again to see if he'd see me i hurt myself again, i know he could never see me"-Tori -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Happy Fantom <sgriffes@umich.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: kroq Hi folks. i was going through all my tori videotapes the other day, and i fell upon the KROQ almost Acoustic Christmas coverage from MTV. Matt Pinfield does a small interview with tori. i remember watching it with my cousin, and we both agreed she looked like hell. it didnt even look like tori. but, we just wrote it off. i forgot i had it on tape, and it was really sad to see the interview. the kroq show was probably a week or 2 before her miscarriage, which tori says was december 23rd (hence the 2 xmas songs on the spark singles). anyways, the video showed a clip of tori playing Precious Things. she was wearing an outfit that looked like an umbrella that was only a quarter of the way open, like something bjork would wear. i guess she was trying to hide that she was starting to show a little bit. well, thats all on that subject. i also found my tape of tori on 120 minutes. Oh, that version of horses is so beautiful! hehe, so my weekend consisted of watching old tori tv appearances. it was good:) My vote for best tori tv appearance of all time: Letterman, 1996, when she performed Father Lucifer. she wore all white, had a long hair extension, and started randomly singing things at the end. it was amazing.:) toriniss, steve "Calling for my soul At the corners of the world I know she's playing poker With the rest of the stragglers" --Tori Amos "Liquid Diamonds" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:02:36 +0000 From: Susan Rusen <rusen@nbn.net> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: REVELATION on Y Kant Tori Read Hi y'all - I am now just getting into Y Kant Tori Read. I have all of her other albums, but was not really interested in YKTR until i visited the Church of Tori, and read the lyrics (Haven't heard it yet, but a nice chick from Helsinki is trying to get it for me - thanks Tanya :). WELL!!! it was quite amazing. i know i can't judge it until i acutaully hear the muisc, but to me it seemed alot like her songs now. It seemed with that album she was just breaking through - almost like YKTR was just a rehearsal for the great things to come. there's even a phrase in "faith" that mentions "Lollipop girls" whcih reminded me of "lollipop gestapo" in CGH. looking forward to getting it. Yours in Tori, Bethany -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: zt28@webtv.net Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:06:54 -0700 To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Fwd: Tori Trivia Contest (info only i think it's over by now n e way) For all those who asked about it, here is a post i got a long time ago on the ToriNews list, about the contest. (PS i didn't forward it then cos i assumed it would already be cross posted plus a lot of people are on all the lists) Please note well that the email for the contest answers is in the body of the letter (the glory2tori address) NOT the sender or me. I know she stated that at ToriNews but still got a lot of replies with answers *L*. But i don't want that to happen to her again. BTW I THINK THE CONTEST IS OVER, THIS IS JUST FOR INFO PURPOSES. I didn't enter it cos i didn't know how many times she was on Spin's cover and i thought it would be rude to ask someone to answer it for me (unless i shared the prize *L* ;o) ) So, hope this solves the riddle of 'what contest did that person enter' --that person who asked everyone for the answers. He posted to ToriNews for the answers too. (This was the contest he was asking the answers for but didn't tell anyone where it was). Tori hugs; Kim H The contest was on AOL but i think it's over now. It was nice of her to post this for those of us w/out AOL. Letter below. "So shines a good deed, in a weary world." --Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka; "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" From: TWiGdoLL <TWiGdoLL@aol.com> Message-ID: <25393e34.35684c54@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:35:31 EDT To: torinews@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tori Trivia Questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-torinews@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Okay, for all you people not on AOL here are the questions. Just send your answers to Glory2Tori@aol.com. You can win the following prizes *Autographed litho poster *FTCGH cd *Or just a regular Tori poster * Or you could win them all TORI TRIVIA QUESTIONS 1. What is Tori Amos' given name? 2. Name the very first band-name under which Amos recorded. 3. Name the other-worldly group that Tori thanks on every album. 4. What does Tori's father do for a living? 5. Last year, Toi collaborated with a dance/electronica artist on one of the year's biggest club hits. Name the artist. 6. Name the piece of common office equipment used in shooting the cover for >From the Choirgirl Hotel. 7. Which member of Tori's production team did she recently marry? 8. Name Amos' one a capella tune. 9. What is the full-name of the sexual-abuse assistance organization founded by Amos? 10. How many times has Tori Amos been on the cover of SPIN magazine? ~~~ ~TWiGdoLL Hey you should go visit my website Fucking Angels - http://members.tripod.com/~xtwigdollx/main Includes Ani, Tori, Garbage, Manson, Nirvana, NIN, Cranberries and more! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:56:40 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <bethw@sonic.net> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: the map I'm not into Tolkein (hush) but there is one more piece of the puzzle which may suggest she was influenced by that author: Led Zeppelin. Zeppelin (especially Page & Plant) here HUGELY influenced by Tolkein's works and referred to them from time to time in their songs. Since Tori has been saying how much Led Zeppelin influenced this record, as well as all her music, if the map did resemble something Tolkein had done, that would make a lot of sense from that standpoint. Beth -- "Is food your favorite obsession?" I ask. Amos' eyes gleam wickedly. "No," she says, grinning. "It's just a smokescreen for my favorite obsession." "Which would be?" She takes a perfect pause. "Comparitive religion." -- David Daley on Tori Amos -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:41:01 -0500 From: "K. Jack McCauley" <bio_jum@hal.lamar.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Getting caught up on things again... and I need HELP!!! I should just give up... it seems that as soon as I get caught up on RDTRN there are 15 more RDTRNs waiting for me. So, here I go again. Some of these ramblings go all the way back to RDTRN 198, so please forgive me. And now... >From RDT 198.. someone wrote... michael jones wrote: <<Where's the bass?? She has a bass player...it's just mixed so damn low as to be virtually non-existent (well, on my stereo anyway).>> >i have to turn the bass DOWN on my stereo or my speakers will crack. >so >i think it's your stereo. there's a LOT of bass on most of these >songs. There is quite a bit of bass on FTCH (certainly far more than on the other albums). One thing I noticed from working with car stereo extensively in my youth, is that on one system a song can seem to have massive amounts of bass, and on another, it can appear to have none at all. It's all in what your stereo is sensitive to. I've notice that most of the bass on FtCH is in the 150 hz - 40 hz range. Most cheapie stereos have a bass boost around 120 hz or so (as does MTV). Anyone with an average stereo SHOULD be able to get decent bass response from this. However, there is A LOT of hard deep bass below the 70hz range, and only a really good stereo is really going to pick this up (I use Infinty SM 152's myself). Try taking FtCH to a stereo store and ask for an audition. I think you'll agree there is plenty of bass in FtCH. It's an ongoing debate, but for those who think that ppl should be allowed to do whatever they want at a Tori concert (even if it ruins the experence for those around them), may I quote RDTRN 205 stuart wrote: > The audience were great too. A better behaved audience I have yet to > see. No hecklers, no screamers, no "You rock my world"s during piano > solos - just loud appreciation after every brilliant song. Tori > thanked us for being so great but she didnit need to - sheid just > rewarded us with one of the performances of her career. I think this solves the debate. Look, don't get me wrong, I'm just as emotional at a Tori concert as the next guy, but Tori's concerts are a little more intimate than your average concert. You wouldn't want me screaming and heckling and whatnot at your sister's piano recital would you? In RDTRN 206 Bethey wrote: > I have heard that people called and got just as good seats as I did, > >so it's a crap shoot anyway you look at it. IMHO of course. I don't know where everyone lives, or how much it's worth to them to get "really good" seats, but in some places scalping is BIG LEGAL business. Here in Texas, there are companies set up specifically for that purpose alone. Admittedly, this does suck, however, last tour I made the mistake of waiting to buy tix (hey UtP didn't sell out, right?), and the show sold out. However, due to the Houston Ticket Company, I was still able to get sixth row seats and know exactly where I was sitting without having to worry about even getting tickets the night of the show. Granted, I paid a heavy penalty for my mistake, but it was worth it. I'll probably do the same again this year, since time at my job is worth far more than the $100 I'd spend in line waiting for tix that just suck anyhow. Just a thought to those of you who couldn't get tickets or couldn't get good tickets. Also in RDTRN 206 Jesup wrote: >I am looking... tape of Tori doing American Pie... Good luck. If my knowledge is correct, she never has done the full thing in concert. You can get her doing various little parts before "Smells Like Teen Spirit", but I can't find one of her doing the whole song (the original song runs 8+ minutes). If you happen to get it, or if anyone does have this, please let me know. It's my favorite song from my childhood, and to hear Tori do the whole thing would be... well, you know. >From RDTRN 212 Please tell me where/how to sign a petition for a Tori laser show! They do those things in Houston too, and they are absolutely incredible. I don't know if Tori has the fan base to keep one of those shows playing continually, but she surely has a devoted enough one to justify making the laser show. Hell, if they'll show me how to program the lasers, I'll do it for free! >From RDTRN 212 John Kwiatkowski wrote: > So they've got this whole European tour planned out but they > can't release a date for a Houston show? I'm sure they've got a date > planned out Man, you read my mind. I've been waiting for the tickets to be announced. It's a given that she'll have to play Houston, she's done it on every tour and she's even mentioned how much she likes performing in Texas. The only thing I can think of is that they are still deciding on which venue to have it at... which leads into your next comment.... > So I really don't care about this whole arena thing. So I don't care > >where she's playing, yeah i'd like tosee her in a small theatre (i'm > >really jealous because last time she played the Cullen... Actually, past two times (three if you count the two shows in Houston as two separate events). Let me tell you, I so hope it's Cullen again. Cullen auditorium is the absolute best place in Houston to see a musician perform. The auditorium has fantastic acoustics, and is extremely intimate. I know Cullen will hold just over 400, but I'm so afraid that they will decide to have the show at Compaq Center (formerly the Summit) or (god forbid!) the Astrodome. I imagine that she will probably end up playing The Woodlands, which is great if you can end up getting middle seats under the awning, but if you get the lawn or the side seats.... >From RDT 216 jorge wrote: > ...i've never really thought of "Professional Widow" as a song to have > >sex to. Personally, I've never thought of ANY Tori as music to have sex to. ...well maybe Raspberry Swirl, but her music just doesn't fit the mood really. Maybe I just have fucked up tastes in sex music (though I've never had anyone complain). Personally I either prefer something that can be played as background music where the words are not really important to the song (really bluesy jazz or enya or something like that), and where the beat and mood are more important (try a slower dance song or even something like AIC's "down in a hole"). Better yet, if you want to find good music to have sex to, go to your local strip bar. Believe me, if they can't pretend to make love to it, they won't play it (and for the record, I've NEVER heard Tori played there). In RDT 216 it was also mentioned that: "check out how much she toured for LE.... like 500 shows..." Was this Mr. Hyperbole man speaking? I've checked all my sources and they say 140 shows (I could be off by one or two, please feel free to correct me). I don't regret tha I didn't see her in her heyday (because I did! :P), but I do regret that her shows are turning into something that is not as enjoyable, and something that she doesn't really want. Now, I do regret that I wasn't born earlier so that I could've seen Hendrix and Zepplin in THEIR day. >From RDT 205 cora wrote: >>anyone know of.... where I might find some rare Tori? Um... yes... you can visit my site Putting the Damage On http://oubliette.ml.org/tori.htm and download most of them on mp3 format (you will of course need an mp3 player). I have to fix one of the pages, and I hope to get that done tonight when I get back from spending the evening with my GF. I do need some help however, I don't have any of the new singles on mp3. I need everything after Siren, EXCEPT for the FtCH album tracks. If anyone has these files, would you please contact me so that I can get my site back to 100% status? Thanks! and my little Tori story... the other day I was in the mall with my GF and I was walking by Musicland, and on a whim I strolled in, not looking for anything, and then in mid sentance, I saw it... the magazine display... it had not only Rolling Stone and AP, but Q as well (I was only aware of the Q mag at this time, and no store in town carries it)! I just stopped talking and made a bee line for the display. My GF really thought it was funny because all of a sudden NOTHING in my world mattered anymore except that display. I stopped talking, didn't listen to my GF, nothing until I got my hands on those magazines and brought them to the counter. And then I was like "what?" 'cause I didn't understand why she was laughing at me. :) -- MickyKnox Oubliette Administrator bio_jum@hal.lamar.edu scpa@chevron.com satan@oubliette.ml.org http://oubliette.ml.org ICQ# 5666273 Oubliette \Ou`bli`ette"\, n. [F., fr. oublier to forget, fr. (assumed) LL. oblitare, L. oblivisci, p. p. oblitus.] A dungeon with an opening only at the top, found in some old castles and other strongholds, into which persons condemned to perpetual imprisonment, or to perish secretly, were thrust, or lured to fall. [top] -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:42:28 -0700 From: seaclaid <seaclaid@earthling.net> To: rdtrnlist-d@annihilist.com Subject: speaking of rape crisis centers... Message-Id: <v0310281bb1b4aa743504@[206.99.109.126]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Originating-IP: [207.206.54.83] From: "k r" <estrellazul@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: speaking of rape crisis centers... Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:02:29 GMT hi everyone. i'm your classic lurker. forgive me! i just read jodi's post about volunteering at a rape crisis center and it reminded me, last june i went to an ani show here in cleveland and ani had sent 10 free tickets to the our local rape crisis center. she made a big deal about the volunteers being there and asked everyone to give them a hand for the work they do. i thought this was the most fabulous thing to do. and then i thought, how come tori doesn't do this?!! it just seems more like something that would be up tori's alley. correct me if i'm wrong. i guess it has to do with the fact that ani is very much in control of everything that goes on with her tours and her management. and tori hates all that stuff. she'd rather just have magical seances and play and let someone else worry about the details. which is cute anyway. :) kate ***anyone else on the list gonna be at the july 22nd show at csu? -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: ToriBoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:08:34 EDT To: precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: have YOUself a merry little christmas First of all, it just hit me the other day that Tori was covering a great christmas song in the middle of June just to be singing a pretty song, but that she was singing Merry Christmas to her unborn child. Because as all of you know, she lost the baby Dec. 23. 1996... ... Anyway, I was listening to this track tonight and when she says "faithful friends that are near to us, gather near to us, once more" WHen tori sings "ONCE" it is so BJORK-ish it kills me!!!! it comes out much more like wance... or something ANyone's thoughts? Joey TOriBoi@aol.com "thunder wishes it could be snow" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: ToriBoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:56:50 EDT To: precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, tori-boot@world.std.com Subject: Y Kant Tori Read Someone asked me to comment on Tori's FIRST album, the 1988 release of Y Kant Tori Read, that was only released on vinyl and was not very sucessful, Selling wise onlY!!! Today, YKTR is only available for Very very high prices on vinyl, and for around 20-30 dollars on CD, as a bootleg... How many of you have YKTR??? I got it at first because it was Tori's very first album, and it was just a "must have"... But the more i listen to it, i dont' care if people say it's 80's crap, or "no wonder it didnt' suceed", some points of it make me laugh, but there are utter Tori moments there, I dont' care what they say.. ... "Cool On Your Island" is absolutley BREATHTAKING! The first time I really listened, I cried.... The words and music are awesome. I know there's no piano in the song, but i wonder if she plays something else like the keyboard in it or something.... .... anyway, her vocals in this track rock!!! I heard her play this in 1996 in Richmond, but she only played a segment of it, with "hey jupiter" as a closing. She actually played my favorite line "we could buy an airplane, build a home in the sand, you could tell your secrets, i could understand... ... " I would die to hear her do this live again, maybe in it's entirety... "Ettenne Triology" is my second favorite. She played this also on the last tour, in it's entirety actually. I can't remember what show. The piano on this track is gorgeous... "The Big Picture" totally eighties!!!!! But i love every minute of it! "Fire On The Side" awesome!!! The music leaves a eighties unfinished aftertaste, but the lyrics and melody are typical tori, nothing less of brilliant. "Fayth" and "Heart Attack at 23" just plain fuN! other tracks i could take or leave "Pirates", "Floating City".... Joey ToriBoi@aol.com "if you dont' treat me better, baby i'll just runaway" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: "dean moriarty" <pinkmilk@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: some stuff, then some more stuff Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:10:36 PDT ok, heres something all of my fellow poets out there need to realize (well those of you who havent already realised this that is), you can not compare your work to someone elses and honestly expect to come away feeling good about your work. especially if you are someone like me and already have a low opinion of your work. and this will hopefully also help explain why you have a low opinion of your own work. when you write something, its something from inside you, your mind your heart. to you its nothing really new or original, its just what you think and feel, written how you think and feel about things. so of course when you look at someone else writing its going to look better. because their stuff either gives you something new to think about, which is always good, or it gives you a new way of looking at something while at the same time showing you there is actually someone out there who thinks and feels the way you do. which is something we all need. confirmation that we are not alone. so unless youre comparing your writing to someone who completely sucks at writing, of course they are going to seem better. but chances are, if they read your work and compare it to yours, yours will look better to them. anyways, you shouldnt ever really judge your own work at all. write to because you love to write, write because writing wont leave you alone, write to get out whats inside, write for that wonderful healing effect that writing has, and when you are done, remember why it was you wrote instead of trying to figure out if it was good enough to be worth writing. and just because you dont go 'wow' when you read it, doesnt mean no one else will. and even if no one else does, so what, write to please yourself, thats the only way youll ever be good at it and enjoy it. if it happens to please other people, then thats just a bonus. ok, now to change the subject somewhat, and to actually say something about tori for once. ive read many wonderful posts in here about what tori has done for people and decided that id share my 'how tori helped me' experience. now mine isnt as moving as most peoples (like beth who isnt responding to my emails, and by the way, happy one year on your own luv) but ill tell ya anyways. now, having a severe depressive disorder ive gone thru some not so happy times. and the majority of those times, the only thing that kept me together was writing. it was my escape and my saving grace. honestly, i owe my life to some pencils and a couple notebooks. but then, i go over a year having written almost nothing at all, and what i did write... horrible. it was the first time id ever seriously considered hangin up the pencil and trying to find something else to do with my life (there is nothing else for me) i just wasnt enjoying writing like i used to. i had seemingly lost the ability to reach inside myself and write what moved me. now, i have this friend (one of the greatest people ive ever had the good fortune to meet) kept going on and on and on about tori every time i saw her until finally i broke down and bought bfp. i fell in love with tori right away. so i borrowed a couple of my friends cds (wich now that i think about it i should have done first considering i had never really listened to tori when i bought bfp. oh well, i dont regret buying it so...) and one of those cds happened to be le. so like there i am listening to le on the headphones thinkin 'damn i love this chick' when me and a gun came on. i almost started crying. just the power of and feeling in her voice and those lyrics, it just touched me deeper than i had been touched in forever. and for the first time in what seemed to be eternity i was inspired to write. and i mean when the inspiration came, i now know what it means to say something hit me like a ton of bricks. and what poured out from beneath my pencil, is in my opinion the best thing ive ever written (it was 'she' by the way, hope you all read it). but anyways, thats what tori did for me. she gave me back something i love more than life itself. she brought the muse back into my life. besides my mom, ive never felt so indebted to anyone in my life. ok thats all for now. oh wait, violet, i hope your feeling better now since that accident, my best wishes are with you luv. ben coulter -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:55:55 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <bethw@sonic.net> To: precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: YKTR LP for sale in SF!! I just returned from a wonderful trip to amoeba records in SF (near the corner of Haight & Stanyan, on Haight St.). I saw something behind the counter which shocked the hell out of me. I didn't buy it, but I figure someone on this list might like to have it: The YKTR disc. The original one. On Vinyl. It's not even a cut-out. And it's $150, which is comparitively priced for the item. It looks to be in really good shape (the cover, I didn't look at the vinyl itself). I'd go quickly, if you're interested in it -- it will probably be gone quite soon. They ALSO have 2 packages of the Choirgirl box. These seem to come in plain corrugated cardboard boxes, and include the CD with a different cover, a t-shirt and the piano pin, for $66.98. Since I couldn't see any of the items, I decided to pass on it, but SF fans who don't have this already might be interested. I DID find a lot of other lovely things... so I am happy. :) Beth -- "Is food your favorite obsession?" I ask. Amos' eyes gleam wickedly. "No," she says, grinning. "It's just a smokescreen for my favorite obsession." "Which would be?" She takes a perfect pause. "Comparitive religion." -- David Daley on Tori Amos -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: Skylar2@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:27:15 EDT To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: No Subject hi. i have never posted before, but there is a thought i want to share. in jackie's strength, tori sings "you're only popular with anorexia ~ so i turn myself inside out ~ in hope someone will see. " do you think she is speaking about women's experience in general, or her own? i am wondering about any others out there who have eating disorders, how they relate tori's music to this part of themselves. so much of tori's music has reflected on parts of myself, specific to my eating disorder - especially on little earthquakes. crucify, girl, take to the sky, well, everything. i would love to hear other's thoughts on this. tori has made me feel not so alone. thanks. -sky -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: "Marissa" <iieee@mindless.com> To: "Precious Things" <precious-things@smoe.org>, <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: tori covers king crimson? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:45:16 -0400 a boyfriend is on the king crimson mailing and he heard on it that Tori covered King Crimson at a recent show... Does anybody know anything about this? here is the quote; >A friend of mine recently sent me something she saw posted on AOL that iwon't >believe until i hear it: that Tori Amos recently covered "Starless"at >a live show (i'm guessing it's just the beginning vocal part). I didn'tknow >Tori was touring again. Anybody know anything about this, or is this a load of >trollop? hearing tori covering this 3 note song would be.. interesting. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:10:52 +0300 (EET DST) To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org From: Mari Johnson <marijo@pp.kolumbus.fi> Subject: Lyrics Hi, I haven't written in a long time, but now I need your help. Where can I find the lyrics to the "new b-sides" Merman, Cooling, and Bachelorette among others? Take care, Mari ----------------------Mari Johnson----------------------- <marijo@pp.kolumbus.fi> <marges@zonex.cop.fi> Mari's Homeworld @ http://www.kolumbus.fi/~marijo If you choke a Smurf, what color does he turn? ---------------------------- -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: "Nephilim" <nephilim@concentric.net> To: <ToriBoi@aol.com>, <precious-things@smoe.org>, <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>, <tori-boot@world.std.com> Subject: Re: Y Kant Tori Read Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:40:35 -0400 >Someone asked me to comment on Tori's FIRST album, the 1988 release of Y Kant >Tori Read, that was only released on vinyl and was not very sucessful, Selling >wise onlY!!! >Today, YKTR is only available for Very very high prices on vinyl, and for >around 20-30 dollars on CD, as a bootleg... where did you get this information???? YKTR was released on Vinyl, CD and Cassette. and it was only released in the US under Atlantic. It was never released in the UK under East West. just for your F.Y.I. ---------------- ----- The Tori Amos Corner ( http://come.to/tori.corner ) - -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] From: "Shy Angel " <shyangel@willinet.net> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: More Pink Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:16:49 -0700 'Ellio. last night I had the weirdest most disturbing dream ever. I dreamed I was back at a old house I lived in in California. And I went into the bathroom to find a bunch of cd's in the tub submerged in water. I saw some Tori Amos cd's so I got them out and dried them off. But the weird thing was I'd never see nor heard of these cd's before. And they weren't new. So I just sat there staring at them. Then I woke up. Anyways. This morning as I was looking through a page on a Tori site I saw one of the cd's in my dream. It was More Pink. And it was made in 1994 and sold in Australia. I e-mailed the person who owned the site to see if she knew how or where to get More Pink but she didn't know. She said her ex bought her that cd as a birthday present and it cost him $75. And she said she saw it for sale online on someone's page for $50. I really wish I knew where. I'd love to get my hands on that cd. And also. I just found this out as well(I'm so slow it's rediculous). that Y Kant Tori Read was pressed on vinyl in 1988. But that's all I know. And it has the same songs on it from the cd. Also. hehe If anyone has Baltimore(pressed vinyl), Y Kant Tori Read(pressed vinyl and/or cd), or More Pink(cd) for sale or knows of someone that is selling any of the above please e-mail me and let me know. Thanx. +*+WASTAI*+* -Amanda -Shy Angel aka Poisons Desire "...I'm still the Angel to a girl who hates to sin..." -Tori Amos (Happy Phantom) ----------------------- You say I don't know love. I say I know the wings of a dove. My life I lead and fly away. 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