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From:
violet@torithoughts.org
Date:
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:36:38 -0700
Subject:
RDT Right NOw #349
To:
real-out@torithoughts.org
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 98 : Issue #349
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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My Senior Bang
lah de dah says annie hall...
Tori's NEW home VIDEO!
teenyboppers
Always Grieving on the Inside
punches
quick plug
talk about your all-time backfires..
the newark, nj show
BRAVO PROFILE IDEA take two
subject lines are for the truly lazy
unsub
help a fellow EWF get laid
I'm going to Louisville!!
TORI ON ESPN2
King's X and singles
Lowell show
is this a bloody conspiracy?
Dunno if anyone'll miss me, but...
Re: unsubs
Unidentified subject!
Win your very own Tori lyric (cont.)
Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Unsubs and AOLers (informal admincrap)
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori
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No report today.
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mark your calendar
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From: glittergirl17@iname.com
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:39:45 -0400 (EDT)
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: My Senior Bang
Aloha again....
Ok, The most amazing thing happened to me this past Thursday! Firstly, I
am a Senior in highschool... and we have an extra-curricular group called
EKO, that performs (singing, dancing, all that great stuff). Well, our
project this fall is a Variety (Talent) show. Usually, EKO is the
backbone for this show by having several acts revolving around the central
theme of the show. Last years show theme was "Country Jamboree". This
was tolerable (cause I got the solo "Crazy" by Patsy Cline), but not
really my cup of tea. At any rate, this year's show theme is "Movie
Soundtracks". We are performing songs from various movies... whichever
ones we choose. Well, our closing act is "The Time Warp" from Rocky
Horror Picture Show! I was so excited about this cause I have always
wanted to tease my hair and wear that slutty maid outfit of Magenta's!
Ok, so like it can't get any better, eh? Well, just so happens that I
pipe up and say, "Mr. Eckerd, I can do a Tori song, right? It's a!
clean one, I promise!" and he says, "You can do whatever you want if
it's in a movie." (He said this very condoningly cause he figured that she
hadn't done movies, and that he was "showing me") Well, I got the biggest
delight out of saying, "YES!" and listing of names of movies and songs...
to which he had no argument but to agree to let ME PERFORM TORI!!!!!
So, my question to you guys is... WHICH ONE?!?! Ok, let's see..
there is Great Expectations- --Siren....Twister--- Talula (tornado
remix).....Escape from LA---Proffesional Widow....Higher Learning---Losing
my religion and Butterfly......and Toys---The happy worker.
Well, I have never even heard Butterfly or the Happy Worker.. so I'm
relying on your opinions.
Which do you think would be most spectacular? Do you have any ideas for
staging? costumes? etc.?
This is going to be my big... shocking.. Senior bang! and I have to make
it the BEST!
Thanks for all your help.... MUCH appreciated!
Paix- Jen
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From: "Autumn ~*" <auto42@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: lah de dah says annie hall...
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:05:13 GMT
Excuse the subject line, I'm just gifted, I guess. And I am the living
version of Annie Hall. Plus my last name is Hall. Woah. Coincediences
grow on trees where I live. Anyway, I will be getting two tickets for
the Madison show, Nov. 4 that I don't need as I cannot go, I'm going to
the Mount Pleasant show instead. I bought them via ticketmaster online
and don't know how to cancel the order, so I guess I'll still be getting
them. I paid $62.25 for them, with the service fees. Their face value is
$26 apiece, I think. I don't know the exact location off the top of my
head, but they are floor seats, I believe. Anyway, if you can help me
out, let me know, I would REALLY appreciate it, and be your slave
forever:)
Other stuff:
Melody- you rock! For one thing, I live in the states, and if I ever
heard SATY or any Tori kind of thing in a public place, let alone a
restuarant, I would just about freak out. And I love that you named your
car Myra Ellen. Seemingly inanimate objects respond to names that we
carry affection with, and Myra Ellen is definetley one of those. And say
hi to your cute dog for me!
Has anyone gotten Mechanical Animals? There's a song on there which
makes a lot of JFK/ Jackie references. I don't recall which at this
moment, but I'll think of it.
I just watched Dead Poets society for the first time in about 8 years.
This movie always has a profound affect on me. All I want out of life is
a man who can understand why I love this movie. Is that too much to
ask?:)
Also, I'm flying today because I waltzed (to a minuet in B minor) into
the local musicland (crappy upper michigan record store) and they had
about 50 Tori cds there, including the Prof. Widow it's got to be big-
which I had never managed to find before, and the interview CD w/
booklet. So cool! I love it when Tori talks about how great her
audiences tend to be and she says this:
"I don't know what I did in the last life, maybe I didn't fart too much
or something." How adorable could she be? Not too long until my first
Tori concert...I just may die.
Dreaming my dreams and disillusioned as ever,
Autumn
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"At night,I think of my piano in it's ocean grave. And sometimes myself,
floating above it. Down there, everything is so still and silent.
It lulls me to sleep. It is a weird lullabye. And so it is. It is mine."
-The Piano
"Nothing's gonna stop me from floating..."-Tori Amos
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http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/1706
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From: ToriBoi@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:45:30 EDT
To: Hiliary59@hotmail.com, handal@access.digex.net, nithraj@wam.umd.edu,
precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, Life4ce2@aol.com,
Lisamead@aol.com, tori-boot@world.std.com, torinews@smoe.org,
mikewhy@iglou.com
Subject: Tori's NEW home VIDEO!
I recieved a fax today from a friend inside the industry that works with an
Atlantic rep... there is a Tori Amos home video to be released on November
17.. called something like the Complete Video Collection... songs are going
to be on there include, Raspberry Swirl, Pro. Wido, both Cornflake Girls, God,
Past The Mission, Spark, China, Jackie's Strength, Silent all THOSE years,
Pretty Good Year, Hey Jupiter, Caught A Lite Sneeze, Talula...
ISN"T THIS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so excited.. let's hope it doesn't get pushed back!!!!!!
Joey
ToriBoi@aol.com
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From: sbrookha@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: teenyboppers
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Bethany said:
When i'm at school, i am always watching my back. I have to make sure
i'm never doing anything that's not "cool". I am paranoid beause i am
afraid that everyone is making fun of me because i am fat.
I feel as though i am two people - one teenage Bethany that i am around
my peers, and the adult Bethany that I am around my parents and everyone
else.
I used to be like that, but now I realize, I don't even like these
people, what the fuck do I care if they like me? My friends like me for who I
am, cause if they didn't, then they wouldn't be my friends, and I still
wouldn't
care. So my advice to you, Bethany, is to do whatever the hell you want.
Dance
and sing in the hallways. Bark at people. Talk to yourself. Whatever. If you
want to do it, go ahead. Chances are, there will be people watching you
thinking, "I wish I could be that open and free, but people will think
that I'm
not cool."
I do understand the teenage/adult Bethany thing. Your parents don't
disappear after four years, and they have the power to make your life a
living
hell. But, you can ease up and start merging teenage and adult Bethany
together
into one, wonderful soul. You will be much happier that way, and I think you
will find you get to know yourself a little better.
I understand that it is hard. It took me years to realize that I cared
to much about others opinions, and a few more years to do something about it,
and I am still working on it. But let me tell you, I feel much better and I'm
having a lot more fun. :)
Raspberry Dove (rachel)
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From: "Pandora ~" <pandora_mrat@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Always Grieving on the Inside
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:23:36 PDT
In response to what John K. and Beth W. said-
I know how you both feel. I have been losing people since I can
remember(mostly relatives). I became accustomed to death at a very
early age, and just figured that everyone went through what my family
did, just as often as they went through it. As for me, I never went
through a grieving process of any sort when someone died. There was a
slight feeling of loss in a sense, but never once did I cry (PS, I
barely ever cry. I put all my feelings inside). That was until I
realized what death really felt like to everyone else. On April 16, I
lost my first friend (a very close one), to a speeding off duty police
officer, 5 minutes after I left her side (One day I'll tell you guys
these stories). I hadn't realized, until the wake, that many of my
friends had never seen or touched a dead body. That was totally foreign
to me. Anyway, my friends and I mourned for months. Until June
actually, when my other friend died in a car wreck type thing. She was
still alive after the crash but..... This time we mourned until August
when yet another friend died in a totally weird freak accident. So,
what I guess I am trying to say is I went from not feeling any pain to
feeling too much. I lost 3 of my friends from April to August (that's
horrific). I always used to lose family members and pets in clusters
and usually during the holidays. However, I could never have dreamed of
the pain I would feel in the future.
Also in the response to calling suicide selfish.... Being one of
suicidal tendencies I don't know that I would call it selfish. Many
feel there is "no way out" of whatever is going on in ther life and feel
suicide is the only way to get rid of their problems. Others feel
unloved, unwanted, and lost in there lives and just want to die in
peace. In general, I wouldn't say suicide is selfish because the victim
isn't thinking of doing something in order to advance themselves, but
instead to remove themselves from an environment which they believe is
tortuous to them. We also feel no one else can understand what we are
going through. So rather than selfish I would say helpless. Thats just
my opinion......
Pandora
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Thou wast all to me, love,
For which my soul did pine--
A green isle in the sea, love,
A fountain and a shrine,
All wreathed with fairy fruits
and flowers,
And all the flowers were mine.
Edgar Allen Poe
*
And all my days are trances,
And all my nightly dreams
Are where thy gray eye glances,
And where thy footstep gleams~~
In what ethereal dances,
By what eternal streams.
Edgar Allen Poe
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To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:56:52 -0700
Subject: punches
From: january-girl@juno.com (Amie S. Norris)
After i posted my freak tori story i got several emails from people who
wre really supportive and reminded me that EWF's are awesome. I just
wanted to post an update... this story does have somewhat of a happy
ending (or will). My husband, after seeing how upset I was and knowing
how much Tori means to me, has offered to take me to see any other show.
So after a bit of wrangling and swapping schedules and deciding to take
a week off of classes, we are going to Wisconsin the first week of
November. His dad lives half an hour from Eau Clair so we are going to
that show, and as a bonus we are going to Madison too. One is GA but we
will stay near the back. :) Johanna, you must be telepathic or
something. I never would have thought he would do that. And...: I was
attacked by a cornflake girl. THAT makes me laugh.
Writing to RDT really helped me put this more in perspective and I am
actually able to laugh about it a little when I tell people. A lot of
people have heard, too, because i cut my hair really short the next day
for related reasons and they want to know why ("Drug-induced haze"
meaning: two prescription medications, tylenol o.d. because of the pain
and cold medicine).
BTW Koba, I really did want to lay into her...but it feels kind of good
to be able to say that i am still the person i thought i was before the
show...plus i believe SHE got thrown out by security and i didn't :)
Erin the raven: thank you for your anger. She paid. She got kicked
out and her concert was ruined too. I think I must have put a little
fear of god into her when i said i was going to press charges because
otherwise she wouldn't have resorted to false accusations to get me not
to.
Another good outcome...i got to meet Colin of the Devlins because we left
and saw him in the parking lot. I kind of thought to myself, "I may as
well get SOMETHING out of this." My face was all red and swollen and
tear-streaked and my voice was all funny but i got to tell him he put on
a good show and talk about the tour. Sexy Irish boyo.
Thank you again for the support...EWF's are the best.
Amie
Not all who wander are lost.
- Tolkien
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From: Thrak75@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:38:00 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: quick plug
well, i was surfing the web, and i happened to land on the hardrocklive.com
webpage. i see that they're going to televise the lisa loeb show she did in
nyc back in june on vh1. not that i'm advocating her music, but if you DO
happen to watch the show, and take a good look at the right side of the stage
(where dweezil zappa was), you may see a guy who looks reeally wet (it poured
on us that night), sitting in the second or third row, at one of the far ends.
he's wearing a blue dream theater t-shirt. his mets' cap, which shrunk on him
that night, may still be tilted backwards on his head. you might see sitting
down below him, a redhead, and a bald hindu, hoody-looking man next to her.
the guy in the blue dream theater shirt with the shrinking mets' cap is one
wild koba. supposedly, this show is a repeat (oddly enough, i've been checking
the page for months, and this is the first time they mention airing the show),
but since i don't have cable, i probably will miss it. hopefully, a cronie
will tape it for me and let me know if this sick and sad individual actually
had his mug on the tv. if you do happen to see it, and see what you think may
be said wild koba, send an email and let me know.
according to the page, vh1 airs the program 4 times (what's the 4-times
equivalent of "thrice"?).
friday, oct. 16, 7pm. then saturday at midnight, monday at 7pm, and then
thursday at midnight.
i'll be crossing my fingers hoping to hear that i cracked some poor soul's tv
screen.
currently pissed off at a lot of things and a lot of people.
fatass.
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba
"i bring truth and understanding. i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts
beyond compare." -n. peart
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:15:26 -0400
From: Megan <megan6@sprynet.com>
To: EaRs wiTH fEEt <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: talk about your all-time backfires...
Grrrrr, I hate housing, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it!! Don't you
think that at college, they should just leave 1 floor empty in every
dorm so that when roommates decide to move out, they have a place to go?
That would be so nice. I'm living in a triple - one of my roommates,
Sarah, I really get along with. The other, Erica, is tolerable but not
the funnest of roommates...but half the reason I could deal with her is
cuz of Sarah. Sarah and I share the little room of the triple and we'd
just stay up all night giggling at stupid things and whatnot. Anyway,
Sarah and Erica got into a huge fight the other day and decided that one
of them had to move out but neither of them wanted to. So we had a
meeting with our shithead hall director...the stupid bitch was clearly
taking Erica's side, not listening to me even though I had the most
reliable opinion since I was the neutral one and totally shitting on
Sarah. So to make a long story short (too late), she's making Sarah move
out. They got into a screaming fight a couple nights ago. So now my
favorite roommate is gone and I'm stuck *alone* with the crappy one.
~Tori content~
Okay, so this UNH show in general admission??? What is that all about?
My friend and I went to the Whit. at midnight the night before tix went
on sale but no one was there and there was a sign saying "Tori Amos is
general admission seating." But my RA told me that sometimes they assign
floor seats to the people that get there earliest. But we left anyway
and got there at 7am the next morning and there was already a line (the
earliest arrivers had gotten there at 5:45am). So I was about 10th in
line and by the time tix actually went on sale, the line was probably
about 50-70 people. And all the seats ARE general admission. So here's
my dilemma - do I go to the meet-n-greet and try and meet Tori (for the
first time) and risk not getting good seats or do I ditch the MnG and
get in line for good seats? Or can I do both??? If any of you have
attended a general admission concert, please give me some tips!
that's all for now!
:o)
~*Toriness*~
<3 Megan6
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*Megan*
megan6@sprynet.com
3 Cheers for Tori & Tatiana!!
http://members.tripod.com/~URAwinner/
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From: BareTrees@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:22:03 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: the newark, nj show
dear everyone
just when i thought i'd cry 'cause i missed tori her first time around ny/nj
on this tour - she schedules a show 10 minutes from my house. wOO. so. yay.
i'll loose my tori concert virginity with style. ;-)
anyone who's going and needs advice on hotels/food/venue feel free to email
me. if you don't have the time - here's the short version of everything you
need to know about newark:
good food's right next to the venue. don pepe's. kick ass portuguese/puerto
rican munchies. if you want to drive down the road three minutes you can hit
down neck in the portuguese neighborhoods and get the best food in the world.
but that can be scary if you don't know your way around.
the arts center's right in the buisness/arts-y area, so hotels abound. this
should not be a problem.
if you're in manhatten - train'll take you right there. there's even a shuttle
to the venue.
happy swirling
love
carly
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ellen Morris <eresos@shell.monmouth.com>
To: precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: BRAVO PROFILE IDEA take two
hi all EWFolk!
i am writing once more, this time to two lists, to plea to your senses...
i had an idea that we should try to appeal for a BRAVO PROFILE on our
goddess o tori. those unfamiliar with Bravo Profiles, they do an
excellent job on thoroughly telling an Artist's story. they did one not
too long ago on BJORK, and i have always appreciated her but now even more
so. This program is not your typical MTV vh-1 money making scheme and i
strongly feel that if they were too do one, it would be done extremely
well. this thing takes it to a higher level and goes a bit deeper than
other things tori has been presented on so far.
I think that we need to appeal to both camps, tori's management & bravo
profiles, to make this happen. if we can get tori & her people interested
in it ( and i think it is the sory of media venue that tori may feel
comfortable with since its a channel strictly for the arts) and appeal to
the bravo people we will have more chances of this actually to work.
i am posting all the bravo information i have. but i have never tried to
campaign for anything before. i dont know anything about tori's people,
so if any of you out there have done anything remotely like this PLEASE
help, or give me some pointers...
WEBPAGE: http://www.bravotv.com/whatson/profiles.html
email: programming@bravotv.com
phone: 516-396-4595
THANK YOU and if any group of people could make this happen for an artist
they appreciate, that would be us!!!!!!!!!
toodles,
ellen
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From: RedStamen@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:15:15 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: subject lines are for the truly lazy
i found out yesterday that rasputina played san francisco last wednesday. OH
woe is me. OH OH WOE. i'm very very sad.
:( AND i burned PANCAKES today. how hard is that? man, i suck.
nicole marie wrote:
>I truly think that Bells for Her played in my mind when I
>slept b/c I just listened to it so many friggin (I'm not sure, are we
>allowed to use expletives in our posts???) times.
fuck yeah!
welcome and nice ta meetcha ;)
jorge,
>my "fatass" joke made no sense whatsoever, did it
I got it, you fatass.
(cackling)
a person named Mike wrote:
>Me and my friend Lauren both heard that Trent saing back up on LE (the
>song)however looking at teh creds for LE he's no where to be found can
>anyone help here?
I think he sings back up on that Why Can't Tory Read album.
Jorge, where's that FAQ? Get on it, you fatass!
(cackling even more now)
(wondering if anyone out there is thinking i'm slamming jorge)
(hope not. heeee)
No, actually i'm kidding, Mike. It's Past the Mission, on Under the Pink.
Realizing I have few really deep thoughts to relate tonight. I think I gave
myself a concussion with my superfly dance moves last night. You see, my hair
was recently chopped, and I had to compensate with a bit of head banging. You
know, grieving. ;) All today I felt like a wild koba does when it's smoked
too much pot. Or when a Tenni eats too many cough drops. Brain popsicle.
Ok ok, i'll come up with one that's been nagging me for a while: Don't you
think Jack Handey and Tori would be great friends?
give me religion and a lobotamy,
redstamen
p.s. isn't beulah land an old hymn or something? did i read that somewhere?
or did i pull that out my butt?
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From: Angelmarch@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:25:20 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: unsub
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From: chosen1@mindspring.com
To: "Really Deep Thoughts Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: help a fellow EWF get laid
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:34:46 -0400
awright folks....i even, for the first time EVER, called myself an EWF for
this...
i need to find peach tulips. yes, peach tulips.
i know where i can get them pretty damn easy, but i can't just get in my car
and drive to Holland.
i figure that this is the internet, and, on the internet, you can get pretty
damn near anything (which is why i'm expecting Allysa Milano wearing nothing
but a New York Yankee jersey at my door any second now...)
my girlfriend discreetly challenged me to show up at her door one day with
peach tulips. somebody on this list has to know how i can accomplish the
impossible here. how can i get ahold of some peach tulips?
jorge
damn, i sounded like a puss here... :)
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Subject: I'm going to Louisville!!
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:36:00 -0800
From: "swirls" <swirls@goplay.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
So the day after my last post about not going to see Tori at all on
this tour at all, I bought tickets to Louisville on the 28th. Thsi
will be my first concert ever and I cried I was so excited. Ok, so
don't think I act this way all the time, it's just...you
know...Tori.
My birthday is the 20th and this could not be a better present.
I am so excited! Ok, now that that's over...Back to the normal.
.see ya.
Dale Marie Prenatt
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:36:23 -0400
From: Eisenberg <wa3hvr@enter.net>
To: RDTRN <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: TORI ON ESPN2
My best friend is an ex ballet/jazz/tap dancer because she hated her
teacher, and so when she saw this dance competition on ESPN2 in Disney
World, and we were on the phone, I turned it on and started watching.
It was all the usual dances, with michael jackson and even bjork...and
then ON CAME TORI! well not quite but these 2 girls were dancing to
Cloud on my Tongue, they were pretty bad, so they only got like 5th
place, but then on the solo division...this like 14 year old girl in
this white dress was dancing to Tori singing American PIE!!!!!! AND SHE
WON!!!!!! it was so friggin cool, i was like near tears seeing
choreography to like one of the most beautiful songs ever was like
incredible...IT ROCKED!!!! *pEaCe*LoVe*ToRi* Jodi
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:12:05 -0700
From: Beth Winegarner <bethw@sonic.net>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: King's X and singles
Jorge and Koba: Did I read you guys right, did both of you pick the same
song as one of your favorites? Wow. You know, I stopped listening to them by
the time "Faith Hope Love" came around. I don't even remember anything
remarkable about that album. I adore "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska," and I
liked the first album too, although I never owned it personally. I
especially liked Ty Tabor's songs, or the ones where his voice was up there
and there were lots of acoustic guitars (sort of how my favorite Alice in
Chains guy was always Jerry Cantrell).
As for singles, jorge wrote:
> quick correction on my post on "what makes a good single?" (call it a
> tutorial and i'm not responsible for the hurt i lay on you): when i fired
> off the list of current "singles" that i thought were good, i don't think
> half the songs i mentioned were officially released as "singles," were they?
> where's the lovely and talented Beth Winegarner when you need her?
Right here, recovering slowly from a nasty flu...
You know, I don't remember a damn thing from that list, so i can't really
answer your question... However, I know when I review most records I can
pick out the 'singles' right away from the way they sound compared to the
other tracks. Some albums, they just jump out at you. But when I listen to a
Tori album, everything is such high quality, and so integrated, I never can
tell what might make a good "single" (except for with the first album,
Crucify seemed an obvious choice).
One thing I had meant to say in my previous rant about how, even though Tori
doesn't rank high on the charts she does well when she goes on tour, etc...
In terms of what makes someone successful, a friend of mine was once
describing a band he really liked and he said something along the lines of
"they'll never be successful. They're too good." And unfortunately sometimes
that is true. Sometimes the people with the most real TALENT are never
recognized, whereas the people with a talent for knowing what the public
wants are mega-stars.
That's all for now... :)
Beth
np: Jeff Buckley, "You & I"
--
"I knew what you meant about 'old souls.' I just think that the term is
irrelevant now. 'Wise soul' is better, but why differentiate? Everybody's
got dumb bodies. LOL."
-- Bryon Kennedy
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From: Corusca812@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:35:56 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Lowell show
Hey everyone,
I am seeking info about this general admission thing, and what it means re:
the Lowell MA show at the Tsongas Arena. I know that the Durham NH show is
general admission as in show up early, fight and get good seats, however on my
tix for the Lowell show I have a row and a seat number although it says
General Admission.... what's going on?????? I had a friend suggest to me that
general admission meant that you pay one price for all tix.. so the front row
tix are 27.50 and the back row tix are also 27.50.. that may be what's up with
the Lowell show although i dunno.... so if anybody knows about this PLEASE let
me know. Thank you... :)
lotsoftorilove,
sarai
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From: Thrak75@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:26:18 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: is this a bloody conspiracy?
you know, jorge is pretty right. why is it that the illerate people who can't
read the unsub instructions at the bottom of the digests are all aol'ers?
HEY. DIPSHITS. YEAH, YOU. I CALLED YOU DIPSHITS. EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO CAN'T
READ.
can't someone read the fucking instructions at the bottom? dipshits.
re: the problem with bisons
actually, i've heard the contrary about bisons. i understand that they're
overpopulating the yellowstone area and that there is some need for population
control. i specifically remember being in a traffic jam in yellowstone because
hundreds upon hundreds of them were parading down the street and blocking
traffic. i must say, as an uncultured city-bastard, it's fascinating to be
able to tell people you were in a traffic jam caused by bisons. and besides,
they make awesome hot dogs and burgers. i'm dead serious. if you're a meat
eater, and you ever get a chance, have a bison burger. much leaner, much
better tasting than regular beef.
re: prog rock singles
"Prog-rock is a completely different animal. the songs, for the most part, are
too long and complex. the bands don't even bother to think about "singles" or
radio airplay, instead working on the entire "album" and probably looking for
sales from their die-hard fans. i would have killed to have heard "Space Dye
Vest" on the radio a few times, though...."
it's pretty interesting that in the case of dream theater, the songs that were
meant to be the singles (take the time and another day) were both flops. the
ad video especially is beautiful heavy metal video production. you know, the
flowing hair, the ruffled shirts, the whole bit. i don't even think that was a
single in amerika. it had to be the "cinderella" song (pull me under) that got
the accolades and put them on the map. strange shit.
i think it's kinda unfortunate that anything over 5 minutes is virutally
considered "too long" or "too complex" to be a successful single. to think,
the 3 singles i can think of that were longer (stairway, roundabout, and
bohemian rhapsody), while long and complex...ah. fuck it. no use. i guess prog
will always be relegated to diehard fan sales. to think, the argument can be
made that tori is prog....
jorge- have you heard kevin moore's version of "song for eric", btw?
re: the wicked koba
"The Wicked Koba (you called Tori "ratbasterd"; you are stripped of your wild
status until you apologize!!!) queried:"
...i actually kinda dig that. the wicked koba. maybe i should call her names
like ratbastard more often. but nah, why bother, when there's better names for
more deserving people. like the DIPSHITS who can't fucking read.
"You are a horrid pervert Dave and now I understand why you are in law!!!"
why, thank you. i've always argued that 13 years of catholic school does weird
shit to people. and then there's the story of the devout catholic girl my
entertainment law professor taught. he hooked her up with a job at penthouse,
and she actually likes it. when my professor saw her again a few years later,
he was like, "how do you do it? how can you work at penthouse, while being
such a devout catholic." her response? "easy. i just don't look at the
pictures."
it's stories like that which give me hope, sometimes.
any other legal beagles here beside me?
re: cd boots of plugged tour
.......has anyone seen any cd boots of the plugged tour surface in a store
yet? wondering what i should start keeping my eyes open for.
re: finally, redheads
"and we all know redheads kick ass. :) heh."
amen. you can bring me a natural redhead any day of the week. jorge remembers
my story of the psycho chick i met in rhode island, right? you know, the one
who tried to get to come back by promising to get me the "over the pink" cd?
she hooked me in by telling me she was a red. it sucks when you find out the
"hard way" she's not a natural red.
wild koba, who's been hitting harmonics ever since he was 14.
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba
"and when the hour comes, don't be afraid- face the light of day and do it
your way...." -g. lake
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:14:05 -0400
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
From: Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@rmta.org>
Subject: Dunno if anyone'll miss me, but...
... I'm unsubbing for a little bit. I'm headed to Vancouver for a couple
of weeks [1], and I'm trying to save my inbox and my husband from some
hassles. I'll be back around the first of November. :)
If you get this before Wednesday, 14 October 1998, and know of any nifty
places to visit in Vancouver, let me know! I'd love to find some good book
and music stores. Who cares about paying rent when there's good music to
be had? ;)
/nad
[1] ACM's annual OOPSLA conference. I'm a student volunteer, so they're
paying my way. I'm not gonna complain. :)
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From: "Meghan Smet" <megpsmet@televar.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: unsubs
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:19:25 -0700
Oh I just find these unsub messages wildly hilarious... I can't help but
poke a little fun at them! Don't you think if you tried to unsub 3 times
with no avail, you'd go about it in a different approach... ? example:
first message: 'Hello, will you please take me off this fine mailing list
which is taking up my day reading? Thank you very much.'
2nd: 'If you didn't understand me the first time, I'd appreciate it if you
unsubscribed me from this list. Thanks'
3rd: 'unscubscribe.... please'
4th: 'Unsubscribe Me'
5th: 'UNSUBSCRIBE'
6th: 'unsubscribe me NOW'
7th: 'what's wrong with you people? TAKE ME OFF THE LIST!'
8th: 'Dear Violet, I'm sorry to say that I'm suing you because I threw my
computer against the wall after recieving yet another one of your daily
digests...'
^*LOL*^
for all those wishing to unsub, the directions are at the bottom of this
page and probably on the website you found the information on...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Meghan "Meggie" Smet ICQ: 1304072
"When you're only wet because of the rain" ~t.amos
"I envy your ignorance, I hear it's bliss" ~a.difranco
"This is my special moment to shine" ~bv3
visit SlinkyRedThing, my Tori Amos dedication page at
(address.withheld.due.to.lack.of.page)
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From: "kitty prescott" <kittyprescott@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject:
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:55:53 PDT
does anybody know if tori is planning to come out west again? she's
played tons more east coast shows and i'm jealous. i'm in seattle and
she's come here twice but i have a sister in massachusetts, and by the
end of the year she'll have seen tori 5 times on this tour alone,
without ever having to drive more than three hours. whine whine.
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From: GrecianUrn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:33:54 EDT
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Win your very own Tori lyric (cont.)
To recap last month's events: I talked to Tori at a meet-and-greet in Anaheim,
Calif., and asked her to write one of her lyrics on a sheet. I sent a post to
RDTRN saying that the first person to guess the lyric she chose would win it.
So far no one's gotten it -- although I have to admit you guys *are* guessing
obscure lyrics, as I advised -- so I'm gonna give y'all a great big hint:
It's between five and ten words long, it's on one of the four main albums, and
... it's a *background vocal.*
Remember, I have no idea what song the lyric is from; I asked Tori at a later
meet-and-greet for a hint of my own, and that's what she told me. Background
vocals aren't printed in the booklets (I don't know if they're even available
on the Net), so it's gonna take a real sleuth to figure this one out.
If you've already sent me an email with a guess, you can guess again. Plus,
I'm gonna open this to everyone -- whether you've met Tori or not, whether you
have anything autographed by her or not -- to increase the chances that
someone's actually gonna get this sucker. However, I still ask that you send
only one guess, and be sure to give me the song as well, so I can play it to
verify the lyric is actually there.
Happy listening (and guessing) ...
Renaissance
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:31:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jen Olsen <jolse090@uottawa.ca>
To: "Really Deep Thoughts (Right Now)" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Hi everybody! I think somebody had been looking for the
sheet music for Tori's version of Somewhere Over the Rainbow??? Anyways,
I was in Chapters today and I found a book of Tori on MTV and it was in
there. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly (I'm too tired to go and
look through the digests) so if nobody's looking for it, never mind. But,
if anybody's interested, let me know privately and I'll try and fill you
in on the details (ie: what other songs are in the book, I can't
remember, price, etc). Anyways, that's all for now...
Nighty-night!
Jen
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From: RDT Right Now
Subject: Unsubs and AOLers (informal admincrap)
About AOLers sending unsubs to the list address:
Okay, ribbing AOLers is a bit of a favorite sport sometimes. And
it's true that a percentage of AOLers aren't the most Net-proficient
folks, but that's AOL's fault really...not theirs. There would
be a LOT less problems around town if AOL would take time to
educate their new users and not leave it up to folks like me (or
you). The climate used to be much different. I remember when I
first got online, I had plenty of friends who were techies and
Net geeks around to tell me about Netiquette and flaming and all
the stuff I was supposed to know before posting anything anywhere
in public for the first time. And when I first logged on, I spent
several weeks going to sites with files about how the Internet
works and how to behave and navigate and all that. But times
have changed and if new people don't know what's going on these
days, when ISPs are actually advertising "You Don't Need To Know
How Anything Works To Get On The Internet! Join Us Now!", whose
fault is it when the new people don't know what's what? An entire
Internet provider's members are getting labelled "stupid" just
because their service is shitty and doesn't bother to educate them.
The only way in which I could say I think AOLers aren't terribly
bright is that they CHOOSE to go with a service that doesn't do a
anying FOR them. Personally, I think they should rant and rave
and demand better service or leave AOL flat. But that's just me.
And this is where the problem of unsubs on the list comes
from....
People on AOL do not know how their own service works. They don't
know that when they read their mail within AOL's browser, they can
only see messages up to a specific size (I still have not figured
out what that size is -- not being on AOL myself -- but I guarantee
it's somewhere *below* the size of the digests). This means that
people who check their mail in AOL's browser have to KNOW (and
how on earth are new users supposed to know something like this?)
to save the messages as .txt files and open them in another program.
How stupid is THAT? So all sorts of people are joining the list
and they can't even open the digests to read them, which is why
they then want to unsub. But because they can't open the messages
to begin with, they can't see the instructions in the digest's
endfile. (They can't even see the sentence that appears as the
first line of this digest.) From what I gather, they don't really
see anything at all except the digest number.
I tried (futile though it might have felt sometimes) to do something
about that. For months (and months and months), when people with
AOL addresses would join the list, I would send those folks information
about this and tell them what to do to solve the problem. Okay, so
there were a few ding-dongs who clearly didn't bother to read that
helpfile (and it was only a 3k message, so I'm SURE they were able
to open it), but I'm sure some folks did read it and either tried
the suggestions or followed the unsub instructions contained in
that helpfile. Still, I resented that *I* was the one who was
having to educate so many people on how AOL works when it's
not only not my job, but it's not even my service. That really
bugged the hell out of me, that *I* was doing it and not AOL.
Anyway, my point here is: arguments about AOLer brilliance or
non-brilliance aside, most of the AOLers who are sending unsubs
to the list probably cannot open the digests to read the endfile.
Now that subs and unsubs are being taken care of by the server,
I won't be able to send that helpfile to all new AOLers any more
and the problems might increase.
So...if you notice an attempt to unsub on the list and the person
is clearly lost, please take a moment to tell them HOW to get off
the list. Sure, you can rip into their behinds for not saving the
Welcome message (which clearly says "save this message") if you
want to; but while you're doing that, take a sec to tell them
HOW to unsub, too. I spent a year dealing with wayward requests
and they were aggravating me to the point of pending aneurism,
so I finally decided I needed to let them go and now I feel much
better. I just need a break, cause some of the people have been
unbelievably rude and I'm tired of it. And while it seems like
it, I can honestly say that wayward unsubs are not *always* from
AOL people -- the rudest have been from non-AOL addresses.
Violet
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