RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #366

RDT Right Now #366

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:30:07 -0800
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 98 : Issue #366 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o 100 bottles of beer on the wall... she had flowers in her hair, and a d pumpkin pie w13004-toner What a weekend! Tori lyric still up for grabs Providence "Review" soooo tired Dancing Nancies! and something impor Unidentified subject! Norfolk Set List linking people Box Set CD's?? Wooo! Man! For Mark ___________________________________________________________________ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori Informa-Tori ___________________________________________________________________ No report today. ___________________________________________________________________ mark your calendar iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ___________________________________________________________________ Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:53:29 -0500 From: Jeff Mondick <jjmon@pipeline.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: 100 bottles of beer on the wall... Good god, is it great to be home. I had to spend three days in Kansas City on an emergency (the sys admin out there quit, and on his last day decided to change all the passwords and deny access to the system - guess who had to go straighten things out). I got home on Friday and i played a marathon 4 gigs this weekend ... now i finally get to relax at home and catch up on some RTD's .... anyhoo, some comments, some replys and retorts, and the Springer thought of the day ..... First off, i got 2 Tori tix for State College!! I'm at stage left in the fourth row!! I just can't beleive it ... i think the general admission seats are closer, but this will be a concert to sit down at. This has been a great year for concerts - not quantity, but quality ... Flecktones, Projekt 2, now Tori .... Life is GOOD!!!! Now i have to figure out who to take.. the girl i am currently "seeing" is not into Tori and does not want to go ... the girl i was last seeing is kind of into her, but really just wants to go out with me ... i really have no freinds who are as "into" her as i am. Decisions, decisions ..... The last redhead (Pam) and i had a very short freindship, but she just isn't my type. I started seeing a new girl (Lisa), unfortunateley, she's blonde :) I still have it pretty bad for my "summer" girlfreind (this one is Sara)- she's a red, and she's still got it bad for me, but she apparently has it worse for her present boyfreind. Ah, what tangled webs we weave... i just can't understand women, or myself, for that matter.. for the first time in my life i am having a really hard time getting over someone. I think it would be easier if she didn't come and see me all the time and ask me out. Sara would love to see Tori with me, and i would love to take her, but i am sure my present girl would have a problem, and i really can't see myself hurting her, or anyone else for that matter. 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows, i guess. Now for some replys, probably broken down into 2 posts cuz i've missed so much!! first off, tales of the lovely and Tangerine Dream and Natalie Imbruglia .. >PLease don't tell me you are a fan.....Torn? UGH! Let me put it to you >this way - She auditioned for the Spice Girls, and Didn't make it. Hhhhmmm ... think about it - Torn is her only hit so far, and she didn't write it. She got it from a band called Ednaswap - the original version is much more raw and more emotional. Having said that, i think Nat's allright, just in small doses. The Spice Bitches, however ..... and Bethey ... >I wrote about my Baltimore experience to a survivors group I belong to and >have recieved requests about which would be a good album for them to start >out with. I recommended LE and sat back and thought. Then I wrote this >for them and for my web page. I thought I'd now share it with you. The rest of the story was really powerful. THIS is one of my favorite reasons for reading the digest. I for one am glad you are with us today Bethey, you seem very sweet and very honest. Your posts are a refreshing part of my mailbox all the time. and kris, the nice guy that he is ... >if you think that you should have something.Anyway...I hope that things >will turn out to be fine no matter what you do.Thanks a lot for being kind. I am always under the opinion that things will work out for the best. I hope you find happiness!! and jorge, (or is it *Mr* jorge) >(who learned this weekend that it really is true: the entire midwest >does buy their clothes at Wal-Mart) *Alot* of people in Kansas City that i met have REALLY bad attitudes. It's like i stepped into the 50's or something. A lot of the older men were real sexists, which pissed me off to no end. And it *is* true - they do but their clothes at Wal-Mart ... and some from Bethany regarding one of my faves ... >Joni has a body of work, past and present, that puts all the light >weights in the music industry to shame. Plus, in a way they dissed Tori >too. Not only is Joni Mitchell incredible and incredibly talented, but she has had some incredible musicians playing with her in the past. She has been one of the most influential artists this century - i remember an MTV interview series with a lot of the top female singers regarding influences, and almost every one of them mentioned Joni as an influence. AP needs to get thier heads examined. Maybe if Joni had such deep lyrics like "If you wanna be my lover" and "zigazigzigzggazggazgig-ah" (or something) she'd get a little more respect :) And from the land of Agent Orange >>>Jessi mentioned "is hippy sex different from normal sex?" >What the hell is hippy sex?! i wanna try!! =) Good questions. I think it must be experienced to realize *true* hippy sex. Only settle for real hippy sex, none of that fake hippy sex crap .... the best thing is to find a master of hippy sex and check his/her credentials ... and more from Ms Tangerine >like person said. "YEAH! KISS A RED HEAD DAY!!" EEEP!! I think I'll hide >for the rest of the day..... Oh, i dunno, i think EVERY day should be kiss a redhead day!!! Damn this post is *way* to long, and i've got more crap to answer ... next post!! jeff self-proclaimed master of hippy sex Can you spot all the subliminal messages in this post??? Jeff Mondick jjmon@pipeline.com Bass, EURB, Chapman Stick, Warr Guitar and other music stuff System admin, etc in my spare time -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:27:49 -0500 From: Jeff Mondick <jjmon@pipeline.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: she had flowers in her hair, and a dress ... Just a few quickies, cuz i got's to work sometime ... the *real* redstamen .. >know, grieving. ;) All today I felt like a wild koba does when it's smoked >too much pot. Or when a Tenni eats too many cough drops. Brain popsicle. What exactly *does* a wild koba feel like when it's smoked too much pot?? For some reason, this frightens me :) And Jen the glittergirl ... >And Jeff, I have seen Lauren Glick's other website. I think it's really >great that you checked it out. She seems really great - i am planning a trip down to OCMD in Novemember and i'm going to try and see her when i go down. Thnkas for sharing her with us!! And on the whole drug thing, the phrase "there are no bad drugs, just bad users" may be a bit of simplification, but it DOES make a lot of sense, at least to me ... on the book thang - you are so right - it is like music, it's what you DON'T read. I try not to limit myself in anything that i do, at least as far as the arts are concerned ... and last but not least, from jorge again ... >Anyways....there was absolutely no depth to this post, other than it got be >thinking that every time i read one of Jeff Mondick's posts, i get this >image of this guy sitting by a computer surrounded by about 50 naked women, >all with wedding rings on. Not naked, at least *some* of them are wearing teddys ... it must be the whole hippy sex thing ...... and i have sworn off invloved women. Truly. Honestly. You do beleive me don't you?? Disclaimer: I certainly don't pretend to be "all that." It *must* be the hippy sex thing :) jeff like, far out man ... Jeff Mondick jjmon@pipeline.com Bass, EURB, Chapman Stick, Warr Guitar and other music stuff System admin, etc in my spare time -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:35:03 -0800 From: ella cinders <red13@jps.net> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: pumpkin pie ooo lookie the new account! ;) i missed rdt so much this last week! i kept haunting the archives, HOPING so so hard that whatever was wrong with the server it would at least get to mit. sigh sigh sigh. about boundaries: > chosen1@mindspring.com wrote: ># ># right now. Patricia...i agree with your "When Harry Met Sally" post. men and ># women can, of course, be very good friends, ......and yes, all of us, at one ># point or another, regardless of sex, have looked at every one our friends ># and decided "i would" or "i wouldn't." what's important is keeping our ># boundaries up. and then Michael Jones wrote: > >Love is about the person doing the loving, NOT the person whom >one loves. Love is a disposition of character. Love proceeds >from an understanding of one's self, and attaches to those one >understands. So what's the problem if someone "Falls in love" >with you? Why would we want to create a situation in which that >person should feel ashamed and embarrased and obligated to keep >it secret? And that's exactly what we've done. Love is >considered an evil entity in many relationships. "Whatever you >do, don't love me, that would ruin everything!" Well I say, >bullshit! > i agree with you completely Michael. however i think jorge was saying that boundaries are good in GENERAL... not necessarilly the almighty Love. Have you ever blurred those boundaries with a friend for a cheap thrill? curiosity's sake? the taboo of it? if you're in love with someone, by god, go for it. but otherwise you may lose a good friend for a simple one night stand. or even indulging tension in taboo situations. i've had people cross my boundaries before and it hurts...and disappoints, and sometimes even feels like betrayal. and i've crossed other's boundaries and suffered the consequences. I'm a ripe old 23 (soon to be 24 heh) but i've mostly outgrown my impulse to push and pull every wall someone has... it used to almost feel like victory, but now i just feel like an ass. men and women can be friends (and hell same sex applies here too) as long as their is a mutual desire to keep it that way. otherwise you're lovers or exes. and then: >Feel the wind...be the wind...LOVE the fucking wind!! or if youre holly, you "run like the wind" hee hee sorry... > $$$ Tori Don't Surf digest $$$ > No, she just walks on water ;) redstamen (whose little sister lost her tori virginity at the nashville show! yay angie! yay!) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 00:09:23 EST From: hh2650@hotmail.com To: Friend@public.com Subject: w13004-toner Evil mind-numbing SPAM removed. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:19:23 -0500 From: Becky Wall <rxw191@psu.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: What a weekend! Well I just got back from a weekend at home....it was SO nice to be home for a bit! I actually got to drive my car--something I take for granted! Because I'm only a freshman at PSU they do not allow me to have my car here (so awful)....but I got to drive and it was SO GOOD! The I went to the Salvation Army and got some REAL good stuff....I love that place. I visited some friends that were home and hung out with my family...ok...that was my weekend! Anyway...in two weeks I will be seeing Tori at IUP. I will also be seeing a friend of mine who I haven't seen in two years...so its great! then PSU and nJ. If anyone is interested in the M/G at PSU, I guess I'm the contact (seeing that I seem to be the only PSU postee on this list!). I'm expecting on getting over to the Bryce Jordan Center early....but if anyone needs to use a bathroom or freshen up or anything after a long drive, my dorm is about a block from the BJC...so it will be a good place to be! I really want to meet Tori though, because I have yet to....and well...I guess you guys know how important it is. SO if anyone would like to meet for PSU...let me know. Currently I know that 2 friends of mine from home are coming, Richard Handal (except he'll be there later) Kim and Dan....so if anyone else is interested...it will be so good ! I'm getting excited! Ok...I need some sleep! Happy Fall Back everyone! Luv and Hugs, Becky http://www.personal.psu.edu/rxw191 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 02:37:29 EST From: GrecianUrn@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Tori lyric still up for grabs You're making me make this far too easy for you... No one has yet guessed the Tori lyric, the one Tori personally signed for me so I could give it away to the person who guessed the lyric. (I hope this sounds familiar to everyone; I'm trying to avoid a lengthy recapitulation.) Thanks to an email from a girl I met the same day I met Tori, a girl who saw the lyric, I now know what song the lyric is from. Here are your hints: The lyric is between five and ten words long, it's a background vocal not listed in the CD booklet, and it's somewhere on ... Choirgirl. If no one gets this now, I'm going to have to give you the song title, and by then it's no fun because no one really worked for it. Please, let someone guess the lyric! Anyone who's guessed so far, even if you've guessed twice, can guess again. Peace-Love- Renaissance -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:52:54 PST From: "Ockle Zine" <ockle@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, mikewhy@iglou.com, precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Providence "Review" Last night I was too tired, so here's my little review of the Providence show. I skipped the meet and greet and instead spent the day with my boyfriend exploring Providence. I love that city. If you only saw downtown, you don't know the half of it! :) We went to the park, rode the carousel, saw the "music temple", went to the zoo and saw the baby polar bear, then bummed around the Brown campus. I really thought Tori would have loved the park, but I found out later that they drove straight from NYC. I won't go song by song, but Caught a Lite Sneeze segued into Hurt (NIN) and my mouth dropped wide open. This was part of the song, band and all, and very different from the acapella intro from the DDI tour. If you blinked you missed it. (Can ears blink?) Second mouth on the floor moment - Graveyard. It was absolutely stunning - acapella. And she sang one line that went something like "I feel you here with me Poppa." Ahhh. Raspberry Swirl seemed to last forever. Very cool. Her stories were cute - she said everyone was "hangaded over" and that she was in a spacey mood (and that the PPAC was spacey - yeah, the security people were EVIL!) and she also said some nasty stuff about VH1 StoryTellers (although after reading Bethey's synopsis, I understand why!). I was able to meet Jon Evans backstage, and he is just the nicest guy ever (next to my boyfriend of course!). For those of you who met/saw me before but not after the show, no, I didn't meet Tori. Last comment - I was extremely excited to hear Hotel, but I realized that it lacks...something that the album version has. Probably the programmed drums, etc. (ha!) It doesn't quite work live, IMHO. But Purple People does, and Talula with the band is ALMOST as good as Talula with the harpischord. What would they do with Blood Roses? I wish I knew... Hoping for Father Lucifer in Lowell marla --------------------------------------------------------------------- "We were all sitting around...and the pathetic ghost of Jon Benet Ramsey appeared and told us that she had proof that Fox's alien autopsy was fact." - paraphrase from Melora, Rasputina (real quote TK) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone (random home page) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/toriboot.htm (trade list) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/ockle.htm (Ockle zine page) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:34:00 -0500 From: Jessica Paff <jpaff@macwizards.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: soooo tired Ohhhh what a weekend.... I didn't get to sleep in at all. not one day. POUT POUT POUT. Saturday I had to get up at 7am for Physical therapy....the sick and twisted punishment they put me through gets worse and worse. 90 crunches. NINETY. so my tummy hurt all day after that one. Than we went downtown, to the farmers market at church street, the jazz festival, got the rest of my halloween costume - INCLUDING, I talked to a make up artist at Madge's and he told me how to make permanent tears! TUPLAST! yay for the make up man. So thats a load off my mind, and this costume is really coming together. Than my favorite boy Patrick told me he had plans for us for the evening, but he wouldn't tell me what we were doing. (Suspense, suspense, suspense) Well, we went out with friends, and at about 11:15 he says, "Well, its time to go!" And I am thinking, WHERE The heck is this boy taking me? At 11:15 at night?? I mean, other than clubs, there isn't much open.....WELL, a movie theater was holding a Pre halloween movie festival, and at midnight were showing the movie The Crow. And Oh wow, this is like both of our favorite movie, and it is the reason we first ever spoke to each other....And we had NEVER see4n it togetehr, even though we both own it on video tape. So to see it inb a movie theater, on the big screeen was really really cool :) Than sunday I got up at ....7:30 AM, to go to DISNEY WORLD, with Patrick and his parents - which was kinda nerve wracking, because when I get to Disney, I am a nine year old all over again. I mean REALLY a nine year old. Running, skipping, laughing, giggling, cotton candy, ice cream, NINE. SO, trying to tone that down in front of this boys parents....and ya know, they are getting on in years I suppose, so they are not really up for alot of the rollar coaster type rides, so after awhile we split up and oh wow, I had such a wonderful time with my boy! Space Mountain, Tower of Terror, Splash mountain, and we went on SOOOO many other rides, it was FANTASTIC. And we met back up with his paretns for dinner, and this was realy weird, because we get to the restaurant and they have a big piece of paper over the table, like a table cloth, and a little tiny bucket of crayons.....Patrick and I are artist....lets work out the math here! So there are his parents...watching their 26 year old son, and his 22 year old girlfriend, color with crayons on the table cloth. And I just know they are thinking "How do these two people take care of themselves!!" But it was all fun, I swear :) ~Meghan the Ex-Misquoter said..... >Unbelievable. I never thought I would see the day when someone other than >myself would misquote the SAME DAMN SONG I DID. Jessica, congratulations. I >will miss my title, but it's all yours. Have fun misquoting. WAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Toriboi said..... >This bothers me greatly people. What if she hates the idea? I just don't >know what to think. Why would you think that she hates it so much? hmmm.. This >calls for some SERIOUS discussion... I dunno, maybe its because I have never been to a M&G, even though I have been to 8 concerts....thats another story altogether :) I just can't imagine meeting her, and no one wants to see a 6 foot red head burst into tears, heh....ANYWAY, i don't think its that big a deal...numbers or not......as for what Tori herself thinks of the number deal is irrelevant....its more if the fans are actually adhearing to the policy. If they are NOT, then i say to hell with it all, because no one is paying attention anyway. Maybe Tori sounded sarcastic because she is just tired of hearing some fans push up to the front and complain to her about the numbers, because afterall, she has nothing to do with it. >"we all to watch, so show me once, and do it again..." Actually, it's "We all like to watch, so shimmie once and do it again"......Does this mean I get to loose the Misquoter handle???? :) Personally, I think the song is more about a relationship, where one person is kinda subserviant to the other....because they have an addiction to the person they are with. Because of that addiction they are willing to do whatever that person says, no matter what..."She's got you shaving your legs..." the ever intelligent, though often irrelevant (not that that is a bad thing) jorge said.... >the learning disabled children i know rarely get made fun of. you'd really >be amazed.... Not really, Stephanie (My younger sister) was treated no differently than anyone else, even though she had to go to special classes everyday. She has tons of friends, and is very involved in the sports program at her high school, and has even worked hard enough to get her GPA up to a 3.8....something her counselor said was NEVER going to happen in her freshman yuear. Now she is a senior, and talking to scouts at various colleges. ;) Can you tell I am proud of her?? >there really is a strong >resemblance between the background in "Hands" and, say, "Liquid Diamonds?" I don't think I have heard that song (mercifully enough), but I will take your word for it. As for Alanis....I agree, "Thank You" and the song she did for the soundtrack of City of Angels (I think) was also fairly interesting, more so than anything she released with Pill.....which was aptly titled I think ;) > i defended Jewel from the evil clutches of >above-mentioned Ms. Tangerine Dream. Evil clutches? Gosh, you haven't even met me....*Snicker*...maybe my clutches are quite nice ;P Kahliul Pfaff talked about the name similarity..... YEah, thats why my family dropped the first F, because they didn't pronouce it P-Faff, just Paff, however, to my knowledge we don't have relative in wisconsin....My dad was from Pennsylvania.... $$$ "32 Flavors" Is By Ani DiFranco Not Alana Davis digest $$$ ****AAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! PARASITE OF EVILNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!****** Tangerine Dream - Madem of Misquoating Mahem "She's the sweetest cherry in an apple pie" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: glittergirl17@iname.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Dancing Nancies! and something important OBKB guys.. here's what's new. I haven't gotten a chance to write since the night before the Balt. concert. Ok.. from the begining... Firstly, I'm kinda upset that i've seen so many posts from people who were there, it would have been nice to meet some of you if i had known BEFORE the concert :-) Then, i'm also kinda sad that various said audience members thought that the energy was lacking.... i don't know about you.. but just being there was sooo energizing. (BTW.. It was my first!) The people on the floor were jumpin' and head boppin' to their hearts content. I was in a seat however, (I actually had really good seats) but that didn't stop me from rockin'. There were two girls behind me who were torivirgins, and we couldn't sit still! (I think the one girl's name was Beth, from a virginia music college) The only people that i think weren't moving were the drips sitting directly in front of me... even during Raspberry Swirl.. they didn't move a muscle. At any rate THE! CONCERT ROCKED! I've never seen a woman so beautiful before... so in her element...bedazzling! OK, notes... Note #1: Props to the guy in the orange hat!!!!!! Definate ENERY source... if you wanted energy.. all you had to do was look at that guy for a second. (BTW, if said guy reads this, I'm that girl who came up to you after the show and thanked you, so e-mail me :-) Note #2: If either of those girls who sat behind me read this, e-mail me and let me know if you're going to make it to the Delaware show. Note #3: The cute girl in the pink wings.. props to her for gracing the pre-Tori audience with such a delighted smile when the crew accepted her flowers to Tori. Note #4: To the guy in the blue polyester shirt with floor seats to the right about a quarter back.... thanks for dancing in the aisles during intermission and keeping us occupied while the suspense builded for an HOUR! OK HERE'S THE IMPORTANT PART!!!! Let's not make the mistake again!!!! I'm planning on going to the University of Delaware show November 24th (Carpenter Center I think). If you are planning on going LET ME KNOW!!! puh-lease!! Ok, I'm going because I couldn't make the meet and greet for the Balt. show... the only problem is, I live in Bum-fuck, Nowheresville without a credit card, so I couldn't get tickets early. I finally got a hold of a friend that lives up there this past weekend, and I'm going to send him money to get tics for me... but they will probably be crappy seats because it is soooo late... so I'm prostrating myself at your wonderful footsies... and asking you from the bottom of my heart that if you have extra OK (or really damn great) tickets, E-MAIL me ASAP.. and I'll BUY them from you!!!!! (Hopefully you'll have two tics, cause I promised my lil' sis that i'd take her to this one!!!) BUT I have to know SOON.... cause I'll need to send the money to my friend (and crappy seats only get crappier).... Luv you guys!!! I sent this out to a time senstive post, so if it made it, this is just reinforcement! MERCI BEAUCOUP! An official Raspberry Swirl Gerl! Jen -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:44:49 -0600 From: "Ng, Patricia" <patricia.ng@wilcom.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Sorry for the hiatus, but guess I'm back in full-swing! Jorge said.."...i agree with your "When Harry Met Sally" post. men and women can, of course, be very good friends, ......and yes, all of us, at one point or another, regardless of sex, have looked at every one our friends and decided "i would" or "i wouldn't." what's important is keeping our boundaries up. and Michael responds,"I would recommend keeping our boundaries DOWN, making sure we don't insulate ourselves from the feelings and desires of others. I can't agree with your statement here, especially b/c I am in the middle of such a potential disaster! How does it better the situation to open yourself to someone's desires or love? What I think Jorge is saying here (& please correct me if I'm wrong!) is setting personal boundaries on what actions you'll take, and also letting the initiator know what will be acceptable to you. Boundaries does not equal guard. (Keeping guard up) The last I'd ever want to do to a friend who fell in love with me is 1. mislead him 2. allow the friendship to die as a result of it. The easy part is validating the "love" as a positive thing; the hard part is to put it in the back of your mind, act normal, and try not to analyze all the actions of the "initiator." I bet we can all attest to that. In my melodrama, in a course of strange coincidences, it came out that my best guy friend liked me, and had liked me since we met. Now, we both have sig. others! To make matters worse, I also had feelings for him, sorta like a crush. Well, it could have gotten really wierd, but we had several long talks with each other, letting one another know our boundaries on what will and what won't happen. This had the potential for a serious disaster, b/c we hang out together almost every weekend!! At first, I guess I was really self-conscious, so I distanced myself from him while all four of us were together. That just made it worse, and he was quick to point it out to me. Now? Things are great! We're closer than ever, but the friendship is better b/c we have an affection for each other and it shows. Not in a lusty way of course! heh. That's not to say that one of us couldn't slip up if given the chance. I would never put myself in a situation with him that would make it easy for us to cheat. (ie: Being away from my man, and going out and getting drunk with him!) But hopefully we're both level-headed enough to where if one of us suggested crazy-monkey sex (heh), the other would be the good guy and say no! Boundaries don't disintegrate friendships. It's the lack of communication that fucks things up. Jorge and his peach-tulips-lovin' girlfriend said, ' it takes about five seconds of the background track for my girlfriend to offer up the following...."jesus....she REALLy wants to be Tori, doesn't she?" upon further inspection, there really is a strong resemblance between the background in "Hands" and, say, "Liquid Diamonds?" Because we all dig Tori, we'd be the first to attack the work of an artists who "sounds" too much like our beloved songstress. I don't know that any "true" musician would want to sound like another for fear of being accused of such. Our ears are just so fine-tuned to Tori-stuff that anything that may sound remotely like her songs would cue us for attack! That goes the other way around too. The Monday after my Tori concert, one of my engineers overheard I went to see her. Immediately he roars, "You know what I can't stand about Tori?" ( Now this is a 40-some odd year old , Ex-Marine, big Greek brute of a fella) So little old me says, "What? Let me guess... she's a man-hater, a freaky red-head lesbian?" George responds, "No! She sounds too damn much like Kate Bush!!" So I reply,"Well that's one of her influences." Then George rants that she never admitted to Kate being an influence in her interviews,and if she just admitted it, he'd enjoy her music. To which I wonder about how many interviews he's read. Okay, so point being, even Tori sounds like a knock-off sometimes (to a Kate-fan or even a Joni-fan.) Who's to say right? We may be able to objectively listen and say Tori in no way sounds like kate bush; but what if we grew up in the day of Kate, and Tori came afterward? Guess I'm speaking from a 22-year old point of view. So what about you Grey Ears out there? Any ideas? Agent Orange -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:54:01 EST From: ToriBoi@aol.com To: precious-things@smoe.org, purplepeople@iname.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, tori-boot@world.std.com Subject: Norfolk Set List I was holding out to post this, a lot of people are asking for it and i don't understand why it hasnt' floated up yet... a lot of us were there, so oh well here it tis: (9:24) Precious Things Hotel Liquid Diamonds Father Lucifer Graveyard/Past The Mission Improv/Cornflake Girl ********* China Here In My Head Merman ********* Bells For Her Iieee Spark The Waitress ******************************* Black Dove Raspberry Swirl ******************************* Tear In Your Hand Landslide -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:20:12 -0400 (GMT-0400) From: Kahlil Pfaff <kpfaff@averett.averett.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: linking people hey, here is a link for your "linking" enjoyment. http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~bct7m/star_links.html kahlil "love never fails/it's as piercing as nails but more gentle than a summer rose it covers your scars/and beckons your heart open wide to the lover of your soul" -Jeni Varnadeau, Love Follows Through kpfaff@averett.edu ascian@mindspring.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:59:26 -0800 From: Maggie McQueen <Maggie_McQueen@SBD.ORG> To: "'rdtrn@torithoughts.org'" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Box Set CD's?? One of my fellow Tori fan friends had told me that Tori was suppose to release a Box set of some songs. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this... Thanks M -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:36:03 -0500 From: Jessica Paff <jpaff@macwizards.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Wooo! Man! An English professor wrote the words, "Woman without her man is nothing" on the blackboard and directed the students to punctuate it correctly. The men wrote: "Woman, without her man, is nothing." The women wrote:"Woman! Without her, man is nothing." Send this to other phenomenal women today in celebration of Women's History month Tangerine Dream - Madem of Misquoating Mahem "She's the sweetest cherry in an apple pie" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: sbrookha@sprynet.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: For Mark So where did this 'For Mark' song that I keep hearing about come from. Is it something she sang at a concert or a b-side or something. I completely missed this one. Razzzzzzbaerie Dove (rachel) o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** If At First You Don't Succeed ... Redefine Success digest *** To Write PRIVATE mail to me, my PERSONAL address is: <violet@torithoughts.org> To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> "TIME SENSITIVE" posts: Do you have time sensitive information that needs to be up within five (5) days? 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