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From:
RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Date:
Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:22:10 -0800
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1150
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 00 : Issue #1150
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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i like my coffee with cream and looo [ Tara Hughes <torilovr13@yahoo.com> ]
Musical Questionings [ "Doug Smeath" <heyjupiter1@hotmail. ]
...(o)(o)....(_|_)...({*}) [ Holly <hac500@pacbell.net> ]
asshat [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
the host of seraphim [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
If music be the food of love, play o [ "Linda K." <windchmes@yahoo.com> ]
that's a perty penis you got there. [ Holly <hac500@pacbell.net> ]
Collette [ "James A. Mathers" <jmathers@westol ]
skinny chicks [ Christine Marion Buurma <cmb7t@cms. ]
the vultures fly high- please read [ Thrak75@aol.com ]
2 more months on the big RDT [ "abigail dice" <talulagirl82@hotmai ]
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Really Deep Quote:
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only
on those things that are in line with your principles and
can bear the full light of day. The content of your
character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose,
what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your
integrity is your destiny -- it is the light that guides
your way.
-- Heraclitus
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:37:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Tara Hughes <torilovr13@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: i like my coffee with cream and loooooooooooooooooooooots of sugar.
lavs said:
>>Must be going... oh, Tiarna's page has been updated
again, finally. Go and see teh teddy bear cake I made
for her b'day :)
http://homepages.go.com/_tiarnajones_/tiarna.html<<
perhaps that's the wrong link. go.com couldn't find
it. :(
violet, are you feeling any better?
so, i was in an accident last night. i was so scared.
i was very close to tears, and it wasn't even my
fault. i was at a stop light on route 30, about to
turn right, onto 252, when some guy rear-ended me.
argh. so i pulled over, and so did he, and the car is
okay (thank god for saturns *knock*), and everyone in
my car is okay, and he is okay. and now, after the
fact, i feel like such a dumbass. i SHOULD have
gotten his insurance and stuff. i SHOULD have. i'm
kicking myself over this now. i have NEVER been in an
accident (*knock, knock*), and i was so shaken up by
the whole thing. thank god for seatbelts, and thank
god for saturns.
so, this happened as i was driving to the spectrum, to
see the barenaked ladies concert. i'm not a real
hardcore fan, but the concert was REALLY good. and
they took some time to make fun of plenty other
musicians/music groups. britney spears, eminem,
*nsync, baha men (who let the dogs out?), and plenty
others. it was hysterical. and, 2 of my friends are
die-hard bnl fans (much like i am of tori. i don't
stalk, either.). when they said that they were going
to play EVERY song they've ever done (7 albums' or so
worth), their jaws dropped. of course, they made it
like those corny commercials where the title goes
across the screen, but it was still funny. and VERY
cool.
sorry that i'm rambling. i did just wake up. and i
had a very busy night. and, today, i have to clean my
room. it's just a *little* messy.
i'm out like a fat kid in dodgeball.
~tara
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:37:12 MST
From: "Doug Smeath" <heyjupiter1@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Musical Questionings
I don't know where these came from-- I just saw John's answers to them-- and
I decided I would answer. :-)
what song gives you an incredible rush, brings tears to your eyes, and makes
your heart beat faster?
"Yes, Anastasia" -- Tori
"Wuthering Heights" -- Kate Bush
"I Love U But I Don't Trust U" -- Prince
"Don't Drink the Water" -- Dave Matthews Band
"Anna Begins" -- Counting Crows
what song, no matter how good a mood you're in, always makes you cry?
"Patches" -- an oldies song by I can't remember whom
"Wonderful" -- Everclear (how pathetic is THAT?)
what song(s) are inextricably linked with a certain person, place or memory?
"Never Seen Blue" -- Tori \
"Never There" -- Cake > Ray, the boy I am desperate in love with
"Angel" -- Sarah McLachlan /
Others, but not as strong.
Okay, so yeah, that's all. :-)
Dougums
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:26:45 -0800
From: Holly <hac500@pacbell.net>
To: "tori's butt chunks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: ...(o)(o)....(_|_)...({*})
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sending in plain text---hopefully this comes through in all it's glory..
holly
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:57:16 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: asshat
Bethany wrote:
> as for coffee, it still tastes like ass to me. and that's after working
> at a Starbucks for two months.
Honey, that's because Starbucks coffee DOES taste like ass. In fact I think
they make it from roasted ass. :P
My brother's favorite word (he's 23) is asshat. We come up with names for
movies with "Asshat" instead of one of the words, like "Night of the Living
Asshat" or "Fear and Loathing in Las Asshat" or "Asshatbusters." Try it
sometime. It's fun.
Beth
--
"This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished,
outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on
television." -- Dennis Miller
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Visit my web site at http://echoes.devin.com -- see photos and artwork, read
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:08:17 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: the host of seraphim
Andrea N. wrote:
> all i can think of right now, and let me check on this quick... is
> persephone, which would be pandora's aquarium. and i only thought of
> that because i'm at the moment listening to dead can dance, and they
> have a song called persephone (the gathering of flowers).
Yes! That's actually it! I thought someone would probably get it one way or
another. And it's not like there are too many commonalities between DCD and
Tori, although I never did say it was a DCD song, did I? :)
Somehow this reminds me, Brian Froud's Fairy Oracle is out now. Has anyone
gotten it yet? I ordered it from amazon but won't likelt get mine till I
return from my vacation.
Nyeah, nyeah, Koba... I'm in New Orleans. :)
Beth
--
"This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished,
outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on
television." -- Dennis Miller
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Visit my web site at http://echoes.devin.com -- see photos and artwork, read
poetry and stories, learn about selkies and Sonoma County, and join the
froud-faeries list. :)
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:26:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "Linda K." <windchmes@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: If music be the food of love, play on...
Songs that get me revved up:
-She's Your Cocaine, Raspberry Swirl, Precious Things
(any live version), Professional Widow~ Tori
-Kryptonite~ 3 Doors Down
-You Oughta Know~ Alanie
-When Doves Cry~ Prince
-Living on a Prayer~ Bon Jovi
-Back that Thang Up~ Juvenile :-)
Songs that always make me Cry:
-Hey Jupiter (Dakota)... there have been many other
Tori songs, but that's the main one right now
-Adam's Song~ Blink 182
-Providence~ Ani
-How's It Gonna Be (and sometimes Motorcycle Driveby)~
Third Eye Blind
-Everlong, acoustic version~ Foo Fighters
Songs that I associate with People:
-Both Hands and Providence by Ani; Self Esteem by the
Offspring; anything sad; Everlong by Foo Fighters; Hey
Jupiter & Northern Lad & Putting the Damage On;
Miserable by Lit; anything by Blink 182, especially
All the Small Things~ Gary (yikes, the boy ruined so
much of my music)
-Little Earthquakes; Sexual by Amber~ my
friend/occasional hookup, Rob
-that old song "I'll Be Seeing You" and most other
songs from the 40s and 50s~ my daddy
-anything Bon Jovi~ my drama club from high school
(we're such Jersey kids)
-Shake That Ass Bitch by Booty Bass; C'mon Over Baby
by Christina Aguilera; and Put It In Your Mouth by
Akinyele~ my roommate Andrea and myself on the
weekends :-)
Okay, that's it for now!
Oh, and.... COFFEE IS GREAT! I take it black-- no
cream, no sugar.
Ooh, baby, I like it raw!!!
~Lots o' lovin'~
~Linda~
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:51:40 -0800
From: Holly <hac500@pacbell.net>
To: "tori's butt chunks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: that's a perty penis you got there.
>>if holly makes an ascii penis, then i'll be really
>>impressed.
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>>Will that do? (not that I can take credit for it...)
<shakes head> what is this suppose to be? did you send it in "Rich Text
[html]" instead of "plain text" ?
lets get it together Lavs!
:)
>songs that almost always (if not always) make me cry:
-stinkfist, tool
-cruel summer, bananarama
-no diggity, blackstreet
-mother, danzig
>songs that give me a rush:
-Beetoven's 9th Symphony done by the Austrian National Orchestra in D minor
with a man named Hendricks Von Trappe conducting, and the Nuns of East
Austrian Orthodox Nunnery providing the chorus. (I believe, the nuns are
actually having orgasms as they sing)
-Every Rose has it's Thorn, Poisen
>what song(s) are inextricably linked with a certain
>person, place or memory?
la isla bonita, madonna ---reminds me of:-- this time I was on a pretty
island with lots of latinos on it.
candle in the wind, elton john --reminds me of:-- this one is a tie between
when I had a drug overdose and anytime I go through tunnels at highspeed in
a mercedes benz.
freedom, Rage against the machine --reminds me of: -- back in the day I was
a zapatista living in a small mexican villiage , my name was "la gringa de
queso"
buffalo soldier, bob marley --reminds me of: -- when I was living in haiti
and someone asked me why I painted my face black and attached fake
dreadlocks.
the promise, piano soundtrack--reminds me of: -- when I was living in
Austrailia, I played the piano and this guy chopped off my damn finger!
oh god no, they don' t know..the new zero.....
holly
np: the new zero, rasputina
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:26:02 -0500
From: "James A. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Collette
Collette
Last Summer my friend Collette came over to visit us for two weeks. I
had met Collette through RDT a few years before. Collette had just
gotten her art degree and had never been on an airplane. She had little
traveling in her life. In a complete act of faith, her Dad put her on
the airplane and I met her at the Pittsburgh airport.
I was in my glory for two weeks. I had a "Daughter" for two weeks. My
real Daughter has had little contact with me for 12 years and it has
been difficult for me. I took Collette to outlet shopping, Sea World,
her first picnic, "beautiful downtown" Pittsburgh, and Washington DC, an
American wedding, and visits to some American 5 bedroom mansions being
built around here. Always we had Tori blasting away on the car radio.
Collette was shocked that people actually lived with the wealth we take
for granted here.
Through all of this Collette's Dad was sending us e-mail's each night
and Collette would spend an hour each night sending replies and I would
help her. I was jealous seeing a wonderful Father Daughter relationship
I wanted more than anything else. I stayed in contact with her Dad
after she went home.
Two weeks ago we got a letter from Collette's Mom saying Collette's Dad
was killed in an auto accident. Collette was devastated. After three
months, Collette has at last been able to go back to work. I wish I
could be in England and be with her. This is not possible. I put a
letter together for Collette and it will be going out this week. Seeing
this letter, I decided parts of it will be helpful to those on RDT. I
have included it in this post. Those of you who have read my post for
the last year will understand what I am telling Collette.
Collette,
I too am adjusting to not having a Father. It is a strange new world.
A person you were close to all your life suddenly is not there anymore.
A part of you is suddenly missing. The difference was that my Dad lived
his life to the last possible moment and was ready for death. He did
all he wanted to do in his life and satisfied with what he had done. He
was ready to go on to the next stage. Your Dad's life was cut short and
this is the shock and tragedy of the whole thing. I too almost had my
life cut short last year and by odds should have been killed. It was by
sure luck that I somehow walked away unhurt. My family could easily
have been going through the same thing as you and I am going through
now.
The important thing is that our Dads are still here. They are in us and
a part of us. They live on in us. When we see ourselves in the mirror,
we also see part of our Dad.
"I hear voice "you must learn to stand up for yourself cause I can't
always be around"". I had 59 years for my Dad to teach me to control my
life and know myself. For 31 years I had to guide my family and all my
mistakes were passed onto my family. They suffered for my mistakes.
This puts a lot of stress on me. My Dad taught me well on how to handle
the complications of life and so far my family and I are successful. I
know what I am and will stand up for my values. I am me and will not be
anyone else to satisfy someone else's desires.
You are starting in your professional life. You have to understand
yourself. You have to stand up for what your are. You do not have to
be someone else. However, you will not have your Dad to guide you now.
But again, our Dad's are still with us because they are a part of us.
In an existential sense, their deaths may not be permanent, but only a
temporary separation. However, our acceptance of this is a matter of
faith.
Collette, you are s special girl. There are people here who care about
you.
"I hear voice "you must learn to stand up for yourself cause I can't
always be around"".
Jim Mathers
jmathers@westol.com
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:45:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: Christine Marion Buurma <cmb7t@cms.mail.virginia.edu>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: skinny chicks
I don't post very often, but I just felt compelled to
respond to Beth's remark that Sheryl Crow looks like Karen
Carpenter before her death from anorexia.
Sheryl does appear to be thinner than she was a few years
ago, but I don't think we should jump to conclusions about
her mental condition. I don't think it's fair to label all
thin women as anorexic; believe it or not, there are women
thinner than Karen Carpenter who are perfectly healthy and
have good eating habits. Do you think PJ Harvey is
anorexic? How about Christina Aguilera, who seems to be
scarfing down chili fries whenever she's not singing? I
think they're just thin. People come in all shapes and
sizes, and some of us are just naturally thin - we're
called ectomorphs, and we're one of the three main body
types you learned about in health class. It seems as though
there has been a kind of anorexic witch-hunt in recent
years: any woman who is thinner than the norm is labeled in
the press as having an eating disorder, and that's not
fair. It's one thing if you have a close friend who runs
to the bathroom after every meal or carries laxatives
around in her pocket or never eats in front of other
people, but it's quite another thing to make a blanket
statement about people you don't even know. I do
think that the standard female image presented in the media
is too narrowly focused on very thin women and probably has
contributed to the proliferation of eating disorders, but
that doesn't mean we should persecute slim women. I think
women of all sizes have the right to be treated as human
beings and not be objectified on the basis of their weight.
That's just my two cents.
- Christine
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:31:21 EST
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: the vultures fly high- please read
the following post is going to shock and disturb some of you, and i admit
it's not something to be taken lightly. i realize that i risk alienating a
lot of people i consider my friends over this. i obviously hope that can be
avoided, but at the same time, i can't (in good conscience) let someone
continue to pull the wool over so many peoples' eyes and think he can get
away with it. i'll have done my part if i can reach ONE PERSON here and make
him or her scratch his or her head a little. so fasten your seatbelts.
there is a male individual who was on this list whose words and actions have
been disgusting, hypocritical, and downright frightening- especially as of
late. although i don't think he's here any longer, enough people here know
who he is, and enough people here probably conduct business with him, still.
and of course, i'd be willing to bet that he scans the archives to see if his
name pops up on a post. his crap has been going on for a very long time, and
i kept shut about it throughout the duration. but it's the most recent
incidents that have me writing now. to set the table, however, i thought i'd
introduce you all to some of his history, so you understand that this wasn't
just a one-time occurrence.
i have a very good friend on this list (note: i'm going to withhold names
throughout, except at the end) who had a negative run-in with this guy. i was
disturbed by her story about her experiences with him. it started out with
some business dealings she had had with him, which seemed to go ok. except
that this guy took a strong liking to her.
now, there's NOTHING WRONG with taking a strong liking to someone here. i've
done it before, and i'm sure i'll do it again at some point. but there's a
BIG difference in being attracted to someone and expressing it, and being
attracted to someone and continuing to express it in a blatant, creepy way,
even though you've been told that there's no mutual interest, and even after
being asked to stop.
this is where the "gentleman" crossed the line. despite being politely
rebuffed at first, my friend experienced this person's persistent and
unwelcome sexual advances for an extended period of time. and yes, EVEN AFTER
she blocked him from IM'ing her, out of the need to get him off her case, and
EVEN AFTER she had asked him to stop.
so what does one call another who overly persists in trying to get into a
girl's pants, to the point where she has to block him from im'ing her?
gee, the word "creep" pops into my mind.
if that were the only incident, i'd call it a day and go get me a beer or
two. but it's not. there's another well-known incident here involving this
guy with yet another female on this list. same modus operandi with the overly
blatant attempts at trying to get into her pants, and all.
only this time, circumstance had them meet at a tori concert. as i recall,
in the weeks leading to this meeting, this girl would express to me some
concern about having to deal with him. but wanting to be the better person,
she went along with it.
what did this get her? an evening with an immature asshole. the highlight of
this evening came when he seemed to be trying a little too hard to kiss this
girl- which she didn't want. i don't know about you, but i certainly don't go
about kissing every stranger on the street, however "harmless" it seems. i
would even find it somewhat offensive in some situations.
incidentally, another word for an "intentional and wrongful physical contact
with a person without his or her consent that entails some injury or
offensive touching" is battery. sure, the guy here may have merely trying to
a kiss on this girl's cheek, but that doesn't lessen the fact that he wanted
to touch her in a way she didn't like.
mad because she pulled away from his attempts to kiss her, he does the classy
thing and SHOVES HER FROM BEHIND!
"hmm...i was about to commit a battery on this girl, and she rejected me, so
i'll just commit a more blatant form of battery. yeah!"
got any other words beside "creep" popping up, now? i wish THAT could be the
end of it, but there's more stories out there. i have had more than one
person tell me how much they can't stand this person throwing sexual
innuendoes at them like a brick. i have had others tell me that they'd
probably be SCARED to be in a room with him, even. this goes beyond "georgie
porgie" kissing the girls and making them cry. this suggests that this class
act of a man has a RECURRING PROBLEM- a tendency, so to speak, to act like a
creep towards members of the opposite sex.
Q: but koba- so what? what's so bad about wanting to get into a girl's pants
every now and then? you seem to do it all the time, yourself.
A: first off, i'll distinguish my flirting technique from this guy's
technique. unlike this guy, i know when to stop, and i don't push to the
point where a girl feels uncomfortable or threatened by me. and i CERTAINLY
don't put my hands on a girl in a violent way for any reason, least of all
because i couldn't have my way with her.
as i've said, there's really nothing wrong in wanting to get into a girl's
pants. after all, some of us will want to procreate sooner or later, no? but
there IS something very wrong with continuing even though you've been asked
or told to stop. to continue despite that shows disrespect to the girl in
question, and it makes me wonder whether he would attempt something far
scarier if he had the opportunity.
Q: so WHAT?? these incidents you speak of all happened a long time ago. you
sound like you're holding a grudge against this guy. sure, he might have done
some low things, but why now?
A: because he struck again. not only did he strike again, but he struck again
in the guise of playing the "hero" or "good guy." not only that, but now he's
running off and whining to people on another list about how he and his life
are terrible, all in the attempt to muster some sympathy for his plight.
simply put, another friend of mine ended up being involved with him in all
sorts of ways. on the outside, he seemed to be playing the role of "hero" to
her, and helping her out from a very rough personal environment. but i was
suspicious from the get-go. it's one thing to want to help someone. but there
was something fishy about his insisting that she come live with him (despite
being accepted to two of the best schools in the nation). aware of his past
behavior, i didn't like her moving in with him, but realized my friend had
her own life to live, so i respected that decision.
i personally believe our "hero" saw my friend as an easy mark. she was
vulnerable and in need of help, and by having her live with him, she seemed
like the perfect object- the perfect trophy- for him. i don't think i'm too
far off in suspecting that he intended just to have his way with her until he
was bored with her. when "done" with her, he probably figured he could
dispose of her easily and move on.
for a while, things actually seemed well. i restrained myself from saying
much, because i realized my friend appeared happy and i didn't want to ruin
that, for fear of backlash. she was away from the people making her life
tough, and was on her way to starting over. i wasn't thrilled about her
losing the opportunity to go to some amazing schools, but again, it's her
life to live. my friend seemed to want what was happening between her and
him, and she seemed happy, which meant more to me than the fact she was with
someone who i considered a slimebag. eventually, things seemed to be going so
well for her that i even began to think that MAYBE the "hero" had a heart,
and really did want to help someone out.
WRONG. DEAD WRONG.
would it surprise you that after a couple of months or so of "true love and
happiness," that it all came tumbling down in a storyline that makes the
"jerry springer show" look like "60 minutes?" the last thing my friend needed
was for someone who had charged himself with the responsibility to protect
her to be BETRAYING HER. and he did it in one of the most bizarre and
insulting ways imaginable.
i know love makes people do stupid things sometimes, but....
and what now? this girl finally woke up to the truth, and decided that
staying with the "hero" wasn't the best thing in her life. she's left him,
ready to start over again in a city far removed from him, and she's going to
be fine. she no longer will be relegated to being someone's trophy. and you
know what? THANK GOD.
it may be harsh for me to believe that he just viewed her as an easy mark,
but his conduct is so indicative of that. when it seemed apparent that his
next object of desire wasn't going to be...well, his next object of desire,
he began to feel greatly remorseful for the damage he had done.
so remorseful, that he tried to convince her to work things out with him!
luckily, my friend knew better than to stay with this creep. but "mr. hero"
had become such a strong and persuasive (read: manipulative) influence on her
that she almost decided to stay. it doesn't help that our "hero" literally
scared her shitless out of leaving- or at least tried his best to. he would
explain to her that there was no guarantee that she'd make it in another
place away from him, and "what'll happen if you fail? who will be there for
you? not ME!"
so now, not only is our "hero" a creep and an asshole, but he's trying to
guilt-trip and scare this person into staying, working things out, even
though he himself acknowledges that she has every right to be away from him.
wonderful. if that's a hero, i'm going to stalk the next vulnerable female i
meet and wear a superman shirt.
and of course, in the aftermath of all this, our hero has done an ADMIRABLE
job of rallying sympathy to his plight on another list by writing a sad
"tears in my beer" post. i had the opportunity to read this post, and it took
a lot of restraint to not burst out laughing. i hadn't read such whiny
bullshit in ages. it's whiny because he bemoans his state in melodramatic
tones that rival bad soap operas. it's bullshit because i know for a fact
that he's already tried making a move on someone else by sending her
flirtatious messages.
so much for tears in the beer.
Q: so if you knew that this guy was doing all this stuff, why didn't you say
anything? it still seems kinda shady of you, koba, to come from out of
nowhere and level such a blow.
A: i didn't say anything in the past for a few reasons, which i now deeply
regret.
first, i figured that the people i know who had bad experiences with this
person had already suffered enough embarrassment at this guy's hands. so why
make the situation worse by dragging them through the mud and gravel of RDT?
second, while i never identified myself as a friend of his, i was somewhat
social to him here, and made the mistake of looking the other way, writing
some of it off as just "silly shit" and "it's forgotten, now."
and lastly, who WANTS to do this? who wants to expose a creep like this on a
public forum like RDT? i'd be an absolutely crazy or stupid (which i'm
neither) to be making any of this up. and most people don't want to bother
with the risk involved in exposing a person of this caliber, even if they
know they're right. i was one of those persons, until now. and even now,
people will accuse me all sorts of things in an effort to deflect, deny, or
destroy what i have to say- this guy has his supporters, so i would expect
nothing less from them. but whatever- their words will mean nothing to me.
Q: ok, so if you didn't say anything then, why say it now? you still haven't
convinced me that you don't have your own ulterior motives.
A: i'll gladly state in plain english my reasons for writing this, as i don't
need to bullshit about this:
a) this guy is a fucking asshole, and has the tendencies of a borderline
sexual predator. he's fucked with some close friends of mine, and i'm tired
of pretending it never happened.
b) i'm hoping that by blowing this whistle as motherfucking loud as i can,
that no one (at least no one here on this list) will ever fall for his
bullshit games ever again.
i don't care what the "hero's" motivations are/were/will be. i don't care if
this is tied to whatever he experienced growing up, but it's disgusting,
frightening, and wrong and i don't want any more of my friends to become
potential victims to him, and i'm FUCKING SICK AND TIRED of pretending none
of this ever happened. i can't change the world, but i can at least do my
part to keep someone else- ANYONE else- from becoming his next dessert.
Q: ok, so then who IS this person you speak of?
A: the answer? why, no less than KEITH SHAPIRO. it is KEITH who totally
creeped out a significant number of people i know, some of who are very close
friends of mine. it is KEITH who was playing a wolf in sheep's clothing most
recently. it is KEITH SHAPIRO who has been a complete, utter creep who could
become a DANGER to someone down the line if he remains ignored. i hope not,
but he certainly seems to have displayed some of those characteristics, and
shows no signs of stopping.
to reiterate what i said in the beginning, i know this isn't something taken
lightly. i wish i didn't have to write this- as a matter of fact, i HATE
having to do this. but i've been tearing myself apart knowing that keith's
been trying to fool people into thinking he's a hero, stud, and/or completely
destroyed because of his flaws. i can't in good conscience sit here and let
this creep get away with what he's pulled off and will continue to pull off.
if you the reader are going to flame me at all for this, go right ahead. but
i won't back down from anything i've said, and if i can reach just one person
here, make them wonder about this, and perhaps think twice about getting
involved with him in any way, then i've accomplished what i intended. i want
as many people as possible to see what a creep mr. keith shapiro is. my only
regret is that i didn't do this sooner.
one last thing: it's ironic, you know. here we are, all rabid fans of TORI
AMOS- someone who has helped us become and remain aware of shit like abuse,
violence against women, and generally creepy behavior exhibited by some
people in this world (i.e., mr. shapiro). yet, here i've been, ignoring the
crap keith's said and done to people i know. i should've said something a LOT
SOONER. for someone who's not afraid of anyone or not afraid to say anything,
i feel like a hypocrite, and i owe an apology to at least one person for
keeping my mouth shut so long.
wild koba
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david y. kobayashi
thrak75@aol.com
http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts
beyond compare." -n. peart
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:50:01 GMT
From: "abigail dice" <talulagirl82@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: 2 more months on the big RDT
Well, I guess it's official now-I am really moving to Sonoma in mid-January.
That means from January to March I won't be able to post and read digests to
RDT because I'll be sharing a computer-but not enough to keep up. I'll get
my own computer in late March, but I have about two months left here...*s*
Oh well. I got the Rolling Stone Rock N' Roll Encyclopedia yesterday
and...there's NO Ani DiFranco!! What the hell?! That was really weird. Plus,
when it said it was "updated" I thought they really meant it was...it really
wasn't. Only through early '95. But it does have a lot of information in it.
I bought the new Sinead O'Connor album and I LOVE it. And the new U2 album
comes out tomorrow *dancing around* I really like the new single, "Beautiful
Day". It sounds more like Joshua Tree then their other stuff :) And all the
reviews have been good. I'm psyched. It's so weird to think I'm only going
to be in the house I've lived 18 years in for two more months...weird.
Anyways, just wanted to share that with anyone who happens to care.
-Miss A
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