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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1641
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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Just Stuff [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
chilly down [ "Succubus Barbie" <delirium1479@hot ]
tears and things [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1640 [ wildkoba <wildkoba@wildkoba.com> ]
time and again [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1636 [ Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> ]
deranged [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ]
yippee skippee [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
[ =================> On This Day In RDT History <================= ]
On June 5th in 1992, an RDT member posted a transcript of
Tori's interview with "Hot Press," which is one of the more
intense interviews Tori has done in her career. In it, she
openly discussed sex and religion, sometimes simultaneously:
"Doing it with a priest never got me off, they wash it so
often!" she responds, laughing almost maliciously. "But
doing it with Jesus, now that is something else! Most
Christian women would be trained to think that even this
thought is blasphemous. But I say that's a load of bollix!
That's how women are paralyzed, disconnected from the source
of their own power, by religion.
"I've nearly always believed that Jesus Christ really liked
Mary Magdalen and and that if he was, as he claimed to be, a
whole man, he had to have sexual relations with her. So in
my deepest, most private moments I've wanted Christ to be
the boyfriend I've been waiting for."
In 1993, fans in Australia kicked off the first "Tori Birthday
Project," in which people put together a little booklet to send
to Tori for her birthday.
In 1998, interpretations of "Black-Dove (January)," and people
were continuing to discuss the map in the "Choirgirl" CD
booklet.
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Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Beth Winegarner
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:07:59 -0400
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Just Stuff
Brian (of Alice Cooper fame) asked:
>>So is everyone here getting a little freaked by what's going on between
India and Pakistan? <<
I was reading back in my "war journal" that I started on Dec 7 and one of my
main concerns on that day was the India/Pakistan conflict and how people
were not getting how close they are to all out war. I didn't know much
about Kashmir until I read an article in the "New Yorker" about it. A
little piece of paradise in between those two countries that has been the
sight of many battles over the centuries. I truthfully believe that if
something is not done soon, those idiots in power will let go of their "big
boom" bombs. Neither side (civilians) understands the danger of Nukes.
They think they are super "daisy cutters" or something. A bomb worth
dropping to save face. And if everyone dies, well, the Hindu's get
reincarnated and the Muslims get to be martyrs and the land they are
fighting for will be scorched earth instead of heaven on earth. Like in
Kindergarten, if you can't learn to share, then no one gets it. Except the
fall out will drift over the continent and end up in California and head on
east. I'm not too concerned about Bucks County getting dusted from it, but
then, we have our own problems (like nuke plants, huge chemy labs, etc.).
An ignorant population will allow it's government to do anything. Hey, look
at us Yanks with Bush and his gray-haired "advisors". Just like normal, no
one really cares as long as our standard of life stays the same.
Speaking of the New Yorker, they had a great interview with Patty Smith in
the March 11 edition (same as article noted above). The comparisons to Tori
(in my mind) are amazing. And I'm getting a greater understanding of "Space
Dog" because of it. The biggest thing that struck me was her audience. A
whole group of "Pattyphiles" who stand at the end of the stage and weep
during songs that on the surface wouldn't support the emotional reaction. I
highly recommend this article to one and all.
I'm finally recovered from pneumonia, just in time to get to work at Main
Street Theatre (a professional theatre in Quakertown). I'm the official
action photog for the season, so I get to see tech and dress rehearsals and
do shots with my digital camera. Then they get sent to various newspapers.
I'm wondering how it will affect my grade in Digital Photography in the fall
if I am already published. The first show is "Joseph and the Amazing
Technicolor Dreamcoat" and they are doing a good job with it. "The Wiz",
"Guys and Dolls" and "Cabaret" fill out the rest of the summer season.
And I have a second interview tomorrow with Project Child to arrange for my
first speaking engagement on June 25. I got well just in time to work
myself to death. ;)
And most surprising: Champers is still with us. He's awful skinny, but
he's eating and drinking on his own and faced down Dickens the cat for a
kitty treat (Champers won and Dickens is ashamed). He's a real old boy now
and I'm a bit shocked every morning that he's alive and warm. He's coming
up on 2 1/2 years old. I must have the healing touch. But I did have the
weirdest dream last night. I found him in his cage surrounded by baby
hamsters that I had to take outside and when I came back to his cage, the
guinea pig was eating him (like a snake downing a rat). It was a very, very
strange dream.
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 02:18:07 +0000
From: "Succubus Barbie" <delirium1479@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: chilly down
Hola mes amies,
Jewel wrote:
>"'ello!"
>"did you just say hello?"
>"nah, i said 'ello, but it's close enough!"
AHHHHHH!!!!!!! Labyrinth!!!! The greatest kids movie EVER!!!!!!!! I love
the little worm guy! And I love the fireys! And I love love love love LOVE
Jareth!!!!!!! Damn, was he a sexy hunka goblin....
Okay, must calm down...and use fewer exclamation points...
I'm writing a story. It is very disturbing. It is about a girl named
Kirsty Anne who hates Sundays. I don't know where I'm going with it....and
that's a good thing.
Get back to ya once I'm done a-writin!
How Now, Brown Cow?
Megan Christine Auffart
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:20:49 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: tears and things
Gabriela said: "still, it can be the bloody Peter Pan song (Wendy singing
about what a mother is) and i'm in pieces. It's sick."
duuuuuude.. I trained myself not to cry over a song just cuz it
was on.. but like.. only twice since then has it NOT worked.. I don't
like to cry over a song because.. as I like to think it, I'd rather cry
at my own real life situations.. now if a song happens to be playing or
something, yeah I'll cry if I'm already about to anyway. It's good
therapy like that.. lol ANYWAY.. Gabs mentioned the Peter Pan song thing
lol and I remember I was like seven.. and there was some Disney special
and they played THAT song during the credits.. and I started BAWLING. I
used to cry at the drop of a hat at almost any and every song. :P THAT'S
why I taught myself to quit crying over a doggone song.. cuz I cried
wayyyy TOO easily!
Gabs then said: ""Suede" makes me cry."
shit.. and Tori said it was about seduction or something, didn't
she??
Ade said: "cyndi, you've given me no choice... sorry to those of you who
hate these."
Ade.. MAKE NO APOLOGIES! rofl.. be DEFIANT!! :D lol.. seriously,
I'm kidding.. I'm gonna lay off of the surveys for a pretty good while. I
like to send them, but I don't do 'em alllllllllll theeeeeeeeeeeee time..
dig? I just get into survey-sending moods.
Oh and Ade, I'll have you know.. I was tempted on the gold or
diamonds question.. to type in "Liquid diamonds" as my answer.. tee hee!
Ade said: "cyndi is a compulsive survey filler-outer and i can't resist
either! argh! there goes the evening..."
*sits on the ceiling and giggles* oh and dude.. your dad is so
CRUEL!!!
*just read the argument between Koba and Brian in the last post* ouch..
dang.. *shakes head and hides until this storm blows over* that's all
from me tonight.. ciao! :)
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM)
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:30:38 -0400
From: wildkoba <wildkoba@wildkoba.com>
To: rdt <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1640
> The wildebeest may have been foaming at the mouth after I was done with
> them, but it wasn't rabies, just a filthy load of my mule juice.
mule-juice, indeed, you filthy-hairy jackass.
> Jewel was right about the hairy arse thing in the next digest. You can't
> even grow hair on your chest, so how do you expect to have hair on your
> arse? And that goatee isn't real either, it's a merkin. Now I know that
> people will say a merkin is a pubic wig, but considering where on your body
> you wear it, the name is appropriate.
incidentally, there is a merkin concert hall here in nyc. it's nice little
place- i've seen two very hot cello recitals there in the past couple of
years.
what you say about my inability to grow chest hair is only half-true. the
hair on the right side of my chest (and whole body, generally) grows
normally. but for some bizarre reason, there are noticeable patches of
baldness on the left half of my body. i can never connect a mustache to my
goatee because the left side of my face barely grows. and i have a bald
patch right above my left breast.
speaking of beards,
<http://www.wildkoba.com/flying/past_entries/2002/may/images/beardedkoba.jpg
>. i just wrote an entry about how i thought puberty was striking me now
>(in the
context of my piss-poor voice range having gone down some in the past year).
i rhetorically wondered whether my goatee would grow to my knees if i was
only now reaching puberty. scotch-the-fucknut-he-is thinks it looks like i'm
wearing a feedbag, and maybe you'll agree if you see the picture.
> The noise of partners in your apartment come from the screams of
> disappointment.
that's not disappointment you hear when i'm pounding people on the back of
their heads with my 747.
the one tori song that's brought me closest to a sob has to be "winter." i
was incredibly fucked up- due to some form of recreational chemical use-
when i first heard it wafting out of leiann's and redheaded leila's room. it
was so delicate, and in my altered state, i was simply captivated by the
flower-like frailty that is that piece. "that's the most beautiful thing
i've ever heard," i believe i said, and i suddenly felt embarrassed to be a
man. i've since learned to love and hate the other aspects of tori's music
(e.g., the dirt, the melodrama, the damn fairies *smirk*), but i'll always
remember how "a stupid song about snow" captured beauty in a way tori rarely
has attained since.
yes, it is my deep hope that i now get praised and showered for being the
uber-sensitive, ice cream-and-bunnies 21st century "boy" i am, deep inside
the brusque exterior.
i'll wake up again when these surveys die a silent death.
wild koba
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:28:26 +1000
From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au>
To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: time and again
In 1632 Chris asked:
> Do any of you believe in alternate timelines? I'm going somewhere with
>this.
Funny, I was just thinking earlier about how those times when you think
something would have turned out differently, or if you could hop on over to
an alternate universe and see how something would have turned out if you had
taken the other option (in a 'yes' or 'no' situation).
I think it's the same situation I have with the faeries, I haven't
experienced it as far as I'm aware so I find it hard to ~believe~ in them,
though I believe in the possibility of their existence. Or more accurately
(and thanks to Beth for mentioning 'acceptance' and belief a bit later in
the same digest) I accept their potential.
In 1633 Matt typed:
>It always seemed to me that the very idea of travel into the future was
>fatally
>flawed because there was *no such thing* as THE future. I mean, the
>slightest
>thing I (or anyone else) might choose to do right now will surely have an
>effect - however small it might be - on how things turn out further down
the
>line. That suggests that there is an infinite number of possible futures.
>Now
>if there was some way that different futures - or timelines as Chris called
>them - could cross over into each other....
Well, I guess it's a matter of perspective on whether futures already exist.
I recall an idea that suggests all time is one, and it's only for the fact
we are living in this time that we think it's the present. Then there is a
question of whether time has a shape...
I think someone else covered it, but I guess I like the idea of alternate
universes as presented in Red Dwarf (oh dear, I'm using Red Dwarf as the
basis of theories on space and time???) (and possible Stargate, haven't
really seen the eps involving the quantum mirror, though it's popular in
fanfic). Every decision we make has at least one alternate decision, and as
we make a decision, multiple universes verge off our own for each of the
other possible decisions that could have been made at that time. (hmm,
begining to see why Janeway gets a headache with time travel stuff!). Thus
you would get some universes that are near on exactly the same, except at
one point a decision went a different way, which could affect greatly how
different those universes become. I guess of course, the more recent the
universes separated the more similar they will be, but then there is the
example of some animals (or even ancient societies) that have evolved
similar habits or characteristics even though they may live many millions of
miles apart and are not genetically related.
For a lighter slant on the subject, the Red Dwarf episode 'Future Echoes' is
quite funny and very witty.
X
Lavs
(Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn)
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:58:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1636
Now I'm playing carchup :)
May 28/1996:
> "me and Neil'll be hangin' out with the dream king"
>
> funny, i think i just made the connection that the dream king
> is morpheus. isn't he? just a thought :)
YAH dream king fun guy but always in funk boring boring why don't we have some
hotdogs or maybe that's an rabbit?
catching up is always bizarre - 'specially when the past is brought up. A
past that hurts is always hard, especially when hard choices are made.
what memories to leave let stand is hard to know sometimes - and sometimes a
lot harder to do.
I'm not innocent of any of this but I try hard to find fair ground even when
I'm hurt. or more precisely especially when (hmmm?)....
and on "in Bethany" by Beth Winegarner:
ROFLOL!!!!
> *** Pro-Chocolate digest ***
Chocolate is the home of the heart the perfect food that ideal form we
should all imbibe (except those who are alergic *poor people*)
reminds me of The Chocolate Ritual (found on cogcoa.ab.ca's site in the
humour area amongst other places).
or there's always the Cult of the Sacred Pepper: (Dr Pepper for those who
ask) and the sacred chant of "All Hail The Sacred Pepper *burrp*"
so if you can, share in The Wonder of the Sacred Pepper and join in the
drink that carries the holy light within!
(I can't drink Dr Pepper *pout*)
More later...
G'day, eh? :)
- Winterlion
--
May all your dreams be satisfying ones!
What is courage now? Is it just to go until we're done?
Men may call us heroes when they say we've won but if we should fail, how
then... What is courage now?
- Fellowship Going South by Leslie Fish sung by Julia Ecklar
Member in *pepper* standing of the Mad Poet's Society.
Trying to bring truth from beauty is Winterlion.
find at this <a href="http://wintersgift.com">winterlions' page</a>
(well more or less Winterlion's page :)
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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:27:08 +0800
From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: deranged
e. said:
> I found Lost Highway incredible,
I didn't like it that much when I saw it the first time, but then it came
back to me later and I had to see it again. I like it a lot now. Plus
there are a lot of interesting parallels to Eyes Wide Shut.
For anybody who hasn't seen it and wants to catch it on video, be sure to
get the widescreen version. It makes all the difference in the world.
> and then Mulholland Drive just blew my mind.
Mulholland Drive was incredible. It's sort of Lost Highway revisited, but
the jealousy just ends in sadness rather than in violence. I saw it twice,
and could easily have seen it again. It is easily my favorite David Lynch
film.
> To put it in better words:
> Me gusta pero me asusta.
I couldn't have put it better myself (actually, I couldn't have put it that
way at all, since I don't speak Spanish).
As B/4,
John
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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:14:55 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: yippee skippee
hullo again...
www.clitical.com is a very informative and good site about sex and
masturbation and such. just thought i'd share it.
as for tori songs that make me cry, it depends on the mood i'm in while
listening to the song and how much attention i'm paying to it (whether the
sole purpose of playing the song is to hypnotize myself and draw myself into
tori's world or whether i'm playing tori as background music). "playboy
mommy" usually has me bawling (especially the line: "i'll say it loud here
by your grave - those angels can't ever take my place"). also, if i'm in a
bad mood, "silent all these years" and "winter" get to me. a lot of songs
get me emotional, but there are only a few with enough power to actually
make me cry. of course, sometimes unexpected things get to me. like
sometimes when i see people hug, it gets me all misty-eyed, and yelling at
me has a pretty strong effect on my emotions. ah well.
brian said:
>And that goatee isn't real either, it's a merkin. Now I know that
>people will say a merkin is a pubic wig, but considering where on your
> >body you wear it, the name is appropriate.
LOL pubic wig! hahaaaaaaa! oh wow. dude... this is the best insult-a-thon
ever!
ahhh i'm in my pjs now... i should have a shower. my neighbor's dog tried
to rape me yesterday. that was just plain freaky.
-ade
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