RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1650

RDT Right Now #1650

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:09:54 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1650
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1650 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o quick hi [ "Juan Manuel Torreblanca" <cheefoos ] Re:RDT Right Now #1648 [ cyndi.crawford@juno.com ] Re: RDT Right Now #1647 [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] ripped, stoned, twisted... good peop [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] we sing and we dance and we .... [ Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> ] sometimes it gets to be too much... [ Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> ] douh! [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] Kazaa [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] hello! [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] I got the hots [ Dani Ringrose <dani@conditioned.org ] He's got the whole world... [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] ooooh, one more thing [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On June 20th in 1993, discussion on the relationship between Atlantic and EastWest. In 1994, people sticking up for MAAG, some history on fay/faries, more reviews (including reference to the Sugar/Freddie Mercury story), and a bit about how Tori charted in Australia: It [UTP] actually sold more in its first week of release than the official number 1 album did in Australia. Trouble is, a large amount of copies sold were not bought from chart reporting stores; hence its debut at number 3. http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives/upenn/digest.9406/msg00030.html#10 In 1995, a critical date in RDT history. Hobbes' email account was shut down, presumably because of RDT members' complaints to his ISP. Anthony reports to the list: Since it has been the subject of much recent discussion on rdt, I thought I should mention that I received a "User Unknown" bounce message for yesterday's digest from the address hobbes@scn.org, and concluded that this account has been discontinued. I have unsubscribed this address from the mailing list as is normal for such bounce messages. In the same digest, Anthony announces the list is being handed over to Chris Meyers and Chris introduces himself to the list. People would probably be surprised by just how much of the subsequent policies of both Chris and myself were colored by the whole Hobbes ordeal. For instance, it is because of what happened with Hobbes that the list software is set up to reject messages over a certain size and with too much quoting; this was done specifically to prevent the malicious re-posting of digests back to the list a la Hobbes. This is just one of the many remnants of the whole sordid affair, so ironically, even years later, Hobbes presence still has a palpable effect on the list each and every day and the mere mention of his name reduces good men to tears and causes whole villages to riot. Also discussed during this time: the purpose of sex, Tori's hair colour (yes, the exact colour names), and teachers. In 1997, part 5 of the Bosendorfer story, many reports of Tori on VH1's Crossroads. In 1998 the results of a list b-side/rarities poll, Plugged tour dates (including a "not even anything tentative" report for Australia), some Black Dove lyric interps, the first plug for the TALD, and some comments by Tori about Northern Lad. In 2000, clones, member rape stories, depression and the family situation, and how Tori listening habits have changed over time. In 2001, more on the death penalty, plus news that Tori would appear in the film documentary "Mayor of Sunset Strip" [which, as of 2002, is still unreleased and has a tentative release date for 2003, but we'll believe it when we see it]. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:00 -0500 From: "Juan Manuel Torreblanca" <cheefooska@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: quick hi thanks cindy gracias emmanuel for the good wishes luck etc for my exam. I've still got a lot to study and I've still to find out how to make my brain retain anything... but I hope at least unconsciously I am getting some things in which will come out magically when I'm reading the questions or something... see? the world is definitely twin peaks like... David Lynch is probably just the most realistic and naturalistic of filmmakers and we've been fooled all along. anyway succubus the one and only barbie m, I know how you feel about social skills I am a bit of a crazy person when it comes to that I think I sometimes have no idea of what's going on no idea of what the other person is saying (listen listen listen) and worst of all no idea of what I am saying the things I've said... some of them I wouldn't forgive if people said them to me i think but it's not meant that way. I'm just too clumsy. working on it though hugs so I've gotta go cheefooska juan du sollst mir einen Kuss geben... heheh _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:02:42 GMT From: cyndi.crawford@juno.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Cc: Subject: Re:RDT Right Now #1648 Listen up lovely people.. I'm in Oklahoma now.. I'm gonna read every one of these RDTRN digests but I'll be here in OK for two weeks. I won't be replying until I get back home.. *sad sigh* OH well.. seriously, when I get home, I will reply to everything I missed--in one or two emails, mind you--and then everything will be gravy--HOWEVER.. like I said.. I'll be reading every one of these. LATER! -- Cyndi S. Crawford ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:09:19 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1647 phew. for the past 3 days, i've been driving, driving, driving! well, today and monday i just did a couple errands, but last night i drove all over town in the evening (during a thunderstorm) and night. i'm a bit more confident about driving though. i'm better at driving now than 2 years ago when i had the crash that left me severely scared of driving. i'm more cautious and careful anyway. and i'm getting better at left turns, intersections, and accelerating and braking without giving passengers whiplash :) anyway, i guess i'm behind on rdt posts. daniel asked: > REALLY IMPORTANT: Any of you guys here have experience on >playing the LAP DULCIMER/MOUNTAIN > DULCIMER or in playing the ZITHER ? yeah, my grandpa gave me a dulcimer the summer before he died. i think it's a mountain one, anyway it's about 2 feet long and has 5 or 6 strings. i can only play it a bit (i have as much musical talent as a dead fish), but one of the knob thingies is broken so i can't really play it. so i have a wee bit of experience anyway. cyndi, glad your sis is feeling better! hope everything turns out all right with the baby and everything! jewel, hope your kitty gets better! george offered this helpful link: >If you ever wonderd! >http://www.prisonbitchname.com/ i'm "needle dick!" *snicker* but i don't have a dick! *sniff* bye bye gaba... we'll miss you! ick. heartburn. probably from that funky turkey tv dinner i ate for lunch (the only thing i've eaten all day). oh well. back to all the chores my dad wrote down for me to do... :o/ -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:16:22 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: ripped, stoned, twisted... good people! Ha! I really had fun with the last posts!!! Megan, that was quite hilarious actually. Not that I'm saying black people are hilarious... just stating that megan's story was... eh... Beth's post made me feel squeeshy and small, in a good way. ( i know squeeshy is not a real world ) But New Orleans and Chicago are! anyone who gets the joke, slap me, slap me silly. oh lord, gottastop, lub y'all e. *reminder to self: never write another one of these in this state. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: we sing and we dance and we .... on zithers, dulcimers and things: I've played zither - it's fun instrument with an odd sound. (at least I -think- it was a zither) two strings on one tone, and a third on another - everything has this really wild tonal metallic sound to it... Wild! or it could have been something else... oh rain songs: (songs with rain in them) from my CD collection, mostly from names of songs *g*: Queensryche - Another Rainy Night Without You (Empire) Jane Siberry - It Can't Rain All The Time (Crow soundtrack) Sting - Shadows in the Rain (Dream of Blue Turtles) Steve Earle - The Rain Came Down (Best of :) Leslie Fish - White Man Rain Chant (Chickasaw Mountain) (anyone want the words? :) Stan Rogers - The Giant (Fogarty's Cove) Ace of Base - Everytime It Rains (Cruel Summer) Collective Soul - She Gathers Rain (self-titled) Sven Gali - Whisper in the Rain (self-titled) Northern Pikes - Snow in June (Snow in June, autographed :) (but that's -really- stretching it) The Doors - Riders In the Storm (if nothing else the sound of rain all through the song :) from my songbook: Stan Rogers - The Field Behind The Plough, Mary Ellen Carter (filk) - The Grave and Soggy Host (a song of the SCA Kingdom of Antir :) (filk) - God Rest Ye Frantic Autocrat Scarborough Fair (trad men's version - not in modern) Green Go The Rushes Mercedes Lackey - Of Cabbages (I also have the album...somewhere) Chris de Burgh - The Tower Glenwhorple (A Collection of Canadian Serviceman's Songs of WWII) (filk) - The Lemming Tavern A Walk In The Irish Rain (no idea origin) (filk) - The Clinton Smoker's Lament Harry S. Miller - The Cat Came Back (19th century trad :) and from memory: California Dreaming - but my silly memory canna remember more... Rolf HArris - In The Wet, Vancouver Town *grin* copy protected CDs? Very bad. VERY very bad. I won't buy. well whatever happens Succubus Barbie still rocks!!! :) G'day, eh? :) - Winterlion -- May all your dreams be satisfying ones! What is courage now? Is it just to go until we're done? Men may call us heroes when they say we've won but if we should fail, how then... What is courage now? - Fellowship Going South by Leslie Fish sung by Julia Ecklar Member in songbooks fun! standing of the Mad Poet's Society. Trying to bring truth from beauty is Winterlion. find at this <a href="http://wintersgift.com">winterlions' page</a> (well more or less Winterlion's page :) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: sometimes it gets to be too much... to arija: *grrr*. You're still the delerious sometimeshappy arija so *pthptpht* I know, I know. I -should- be sending birthday greetings but i've been sooo tired.... sounds like a fun party :) Never been to one like that.... the ones here tend to be... different... *grin* life is wandering strange need to find a way to be somewhere to be someone to exist everything has a shape and todays is blob except on saturdays. Life messed is. I've gotta find a real job. Everything else good. 'xcept i could be homeless end of month. or not. will be broke but used to that. *deepsigh* hopefully g'day, eh? - Winterlion -- What is courage now? Is it just to go until we're done? Men may call us heroes when they say we've won but if we should fail, how then... What is courage now? - Fellowship Going South by Leslie Fish sung by Julia Ecklar -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:19:51 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: douh! HHAHAHAHAAAAA!! I wrote you "lub y'all" on that last post. I meant luv y'all. Unless sudenly I won this month's Sexgod of this List award. If not, I still luv you all. unconsciously speaking e. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Kazaa Hi hi, Since Kazaa was recommended, just a warning: There's some deal that Kazaa has where they can somehow eventually charge you for downloading songs (don't know how; I'm not that good with figuring out how ISPs can be used to trace things back to you). The mentioned it on the news one night, and then I looked it up and asked some computer savvy friends about it, and they said that they don't use Kazaa anymore because of that. In any case, I stopped with Kazaa. Probably the same deal goes for Morpheus and similar products. Right now, I use Audiogalaxy (not sure how safe that is, as far as not getting charged) or Grokster. Grokster is "guaranteed" to be free of charge-- and its format is the way Kazaa used to be-- much simpler. *yawn* *pops back into nonexistence* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:12:20 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: hello! Welcome Josephine! i hope you enjoy the list, through the loads of porn and other obscenities flung around there are some excellent people around. so there, I've started it. e. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:04:57 -0400 From: Dani Ringrose <dani@conditioned.org> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: I got the hots I have the biggest boner for Eminem. I have been meaning to post about this for the past couple of weeks now, but as all of you know I am infinitely lazy and so just let my thoughts simmer. Until of course Tait posted, asking if it was wrong to think ol' Eminem was cute. I'm happy to admit quite openly that I have a crush on Eminem. The freckles, the sour look, the occasional dabble with spectacles (oh man, am I a sucker for guys wearing glasses). When I first started liking his music, I didn't find him attractive at all. But I find him now to be strangely endearing, and salivate whenever I see his music videos. Actually, I didn't really want to talk about how attractive Eminem was, I wanted to talk about the new CD, which I am also quite proud to say that I went out of my way to get on the first day of release. In comparison, when the new Tori comes out in September(? who knows, I'm not even following the release dates any more), I will probably move into a "Yeah, I'll eventually get it" mode. I'm just not stirred up by news that Tori's got a new album. But Eminem? New album? Holy geez. It's been a while since I've been that overwhelmed on my first listen to a new CD. The skills to pay the bills? Man, Eminem's got the skills to pay off third-world debt. And I'll also go on record saying that he doesn't offend me. I would honestly love to analyse his lyric technique in an English class of mine; his use of rhyme, rhythm, assonance, and syncopation (especially syncopation) is quite inspired. But I challenge anyone to find one of his songs which doesn't contain swearing or suggestive lyrics. The album easily turns up amongst the best rap and hip-hop albums of all time, staking a place in amongst Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet" and the Beastie Boys' "Paul's Boutique". Every single song, give or take a couple of tracks, is fantastic. ("Fantastic"? I'm glad I don't get paid to do music reviews. Please bear in mind that I'm supposed to be an English teacher, and I can't think of anything better than "fantastic"). The other, almost more relevant reason for bringing up Eminem is my curiosity to whether he's said anything regarding Tori's cover of his "'97 Bonnie and Clyde". As Eminem seems to be the kind of person who's happy to take a low-level pot shot at anyone who dares criticise him, or even talk about him in their interviews (Moby et al), I half-expected Eminem to take a shot at Tori on his new CD. I scoured the lyric booklet several times, but his personal attacks on other celebrities seem to be very limited, compared to his previous two albums anyway. To my surprise, no Tori attack, no reply to her cover of the song. So I am very curious to hear whether he's ever said anything about it. My sneaking suspicion is that he thought it was a well-educated cover (even if I personally thought it blew big time, as did pretty much all of SLG). The funny thing about Eminem? I wouldn't care to see him live; I think he is a boring live artist (going by the "Up in Smoke" video anyway), and I don't think too highly of anyone who sings only part of their songs, nor do I think too highly of anyone who spins that much shit on stage, regardless of how much it is for show. A student in my class today do up a tag for me, as in a graffiti tag of my first name. He asked how to spell my name, moved seats so he was sitting next to my desk, and drew it up on a blank sheet of A4 paper. I am a sad person, for I am about to put it on display on my fridge. Tomorrow marks the end of a full year of teaching. I -amost- feel old-hat at this. It is the end of term, and I am celebrating by going to the local pub near my school and watching the England v Brazil soccer match over a few bourbons. -d. (thanks for the birthday sentiments as well, they made me smile). == dani ringrose www.conditioned.org -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:08 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: He's got the whole world... Smeg, forgot to mention in my last message how an ANU (Australian National University) research team has managed to teleport a laser beam 1 metre (and say it would be equally successful over larger distances). http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4524017%255E421,00.html Something that came to mind the other day (and I have no idea where it came from), I was thinking about Atlas (Greek mythological figure) and how he is said to have carried the world on his shoulders. Did the Greek's think the world was flat, curved or a globe? All the images of him I can think of show him with a globe, but I can't really recall whether any of these were more recent potrayals or contemporary to the Greek era. And for that matter, how did the Romans or others view the world? (I know the Egyptians saw it as flat) I will be looking it up in the next few days, but just thought I'd see what others might have to say on it. Well Josephine, if no one else has already said it... we're in a little quiet spot at the moment. Those in the US are lapping up the sunshine (or something along those lines), those elsewhere are um... I guess finding something else to do too! Things will pick up soon, and if you get tired of waiting there's always the archives! winterlion, you're giving me flashbacks of this place (theme park I guess, but no rides as such) called 'Kryle Castle' in Victoria. There was a big arena where they'd stage mock hangings and stuff. The torture display always fascinated me (rats in the stomach and all that charming stuff). Fantastic old cemetary (which was real), a hedge maze, let alone the castle part. ~sigh~ New dishwasher: 1 sleep sis visit: 3 sleeps X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebz.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebz.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: ooooh, one more thing Tait asked: <<Is it wrong to find Eminem attractive? I despise the sexist, racist, homophobic tripe he spouts, although I must admit that I really like his new song. Say what you will, he has talent. Anyway, I can't help thinking that if he wasn't such an ass, he'd be cute, or I could at least think of him as cute and not feel dirty. Thoughts?>> Okay, unfortunately, I have about zero time lately to read posts... so that's why this is going to be long, so I can answer whatever questions about my opinion that you may have before they can be asked. *******So if you don't give a rat's ass about Eminem, skip the following******** Oh.my.damn. Eminem is so f***ing hot!!!! And seriously: (a.) I don't think he's really homophobic. I think he has: (a1.) poor choices of words-- words like "faggot" should not be used as a general insult, but unfortunately, many people use those terms without really having any negative thoughts about actual homosexuals. (a2.) he's misunderstood. I can give many examples in which people have complained about specific lyrics, only because they fail to see his sarcasm. He's very sarcastic, and usually criticizing the ideals that he seems to be spouting. (ex: "Well, some of us cannibals who cut other people open like cantaloupes.... But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope." Ahem, so despite the fact that he uses the word "faggot" too too often, maybe he actually believes that with all the fucked up and stupid things going on in this world, why on earth aren't gay people allowed to get married if they want to? Next people will be saying that "Drug Ballad" from the Marshall Mathers EP is actually promoting drugs. If you're not familiar with the song, do yourself a favor and go look up the lyrics. Maybe then you'll get an idea of how sarcastic he is.) (b.) Racist? Eminem is racist? There are so many people who claim that, yet where's the proof for that one? Because he says that Dr. Dre is like a father? A BLACK man is like a father to him?! AAAAH! (c.) however, he is still sexist-- without question. '97 Bonnie and Clyde is still really disgusting, and most of the things that he says about his mother disturb me. But, hell, I'd rather have an honest celebrity who gets his feelings out through his music than one who goes ahead and actually abuses (or even murders) his spouse. And there are plenty of those type out there. And he practically elevates his daughter to goddess status, so it's not women in general that he seems to hate. (c1.) Using words like "slut" and "bitches" does not a sexist make. They give a bad message. I fault him mostly on poor word choice, once again. I disagree with his word choice errors. I've already talked about this on-list when Kevin was around, and I don't feel like doing it again. Using words like those are dangerous. But here's a loophole for Eminem: Maybe since Eminem is not being perceived as a role model, and has argued against people seeing him that way on just about every album, using words like those are to show what should NOT be done. He makes those things seem utterly wrong, and yet he still says them-- is that the point, perhaps? To provide the example of how *not* to be, and to show how wrong he really is???? That would be my take. (As a note, this is not an attack on anyone who thinks that Eminem is any of the above-- sexist, racist, homophobic, what have you. I do, however, think that there are a lot of misconceptions about his actual beliefs. The fact that a large number of adults fail to see his sarcasm makes it obvious that children should not be listening to his music-- A point that he clearly believes in, if you've seen the video for his new single, or if you've actually listened to any of the music on his albums.) Thank you, and goodnight. Eminem is unbelievably hot. That's my point. ******End Eminem post******* Hi Josephine! *pop* ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** I'll Only Hurt You And Sell Your Phone Number To Telemarketers digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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