RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1664

RDT Right Now #1664

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:25:50 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1664
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1664 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Please support local talent :-) [ "Doug Smeath" <heyjupiter1@hotmail. ] warning [ john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ] Nice! [ "Grzegorz Pawlowski" <sup330@msn.co ] a quick burst... [ "Lori A Near" <nearlori@pilot.msu.e ] I wish I'd read the label before sho [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] The end of the world [ Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> ] "And I'm so sad" [ CruelGrl18@aol.com ] stuff, things, and sleeping in sucks [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Re: RDT Right Now #1663 [ wildkoba <wildkoba@wildkoba.com> ] What's this cheery singing all about [ Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterroris ] taste heaven perfectly [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] you could taste heaven perfectly [ Andrea Norstad <silent@northwestern ] the Internet debacle [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 9th in 1994, a bunch of tour dates are announced for Tori in the US in July and August. Also, people were debating whether to have a Tori Amos newsgroup on Usenet. In 1995, people were talking about musicians who reminded them of Tori. Among the nominees were Vanessa-Mae and Alanis Morrissette. Also, people were discussing Neil Gaiman, and the quoting of Tori lyrics in "Sandman." In 1997, people were still discussing the results of the feminist movement. In 1999, a member posted a fairly lengthy analysis of "Hello Mr. Zebra." Among the insights: "Mr. Zebra (Tori's good side) ran into the bad Mrs. Crocodile, and confusion (AKA. murder) ensues." [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 10th in 1992, Atlantic announces some tour dates for a US tour of the Eastern United States in August. In 1995, a member posted a paragraph "on the nature of rdt": I was driving around today thinking of how many completely non-tori threads there are on this list, and how actually that is why this list is so much fun to read and everything and I began to think that (metaphor begin here) rdt is kinda like a club that you go into becuase you really really like the music that some cool red-haired girl is playing on the piano, but then you also get to talk to the people sitting around at tables, and sometimes private converstions break off (e-mail), all the while with the music in the background and comments about that music (metaphor ends)... thoughts?" In 1996, a member was celebrating RDT's fourth birthday (two months late) by <surprise, surprise> going back through the old messages and reminiscing. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Beth Winegarner Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:21:35 -0600 From: "Doug Smeath" <heyjupiter1@hotmail.com> To: bradshaw@utahutes.com, rentheadut@hotmail.com, tracibrianne@yahoo.com, coleyrynn@hotmail.com, toasted_cow@yahoo.com, maryshackelford@hotmail.com, missborg@yahoo.com, TJackson@hga.com, heyvickyrose@hotmail.com Subject: Please support local talent :-) Hey everyone. Terribly sorry to bother you, but as a proud big brother, I have a request. As many of you know, my younger brothers Jimmie and Phillip are in a band called 3 Percent Hero. I personally-- and it's not just because of the similarities between their DNA and mine-- think they are geniuses. :-) Seriously, it's a really good band. Well, they have made it to Round 2 of American Idol-- not the TV show, but a promotion by Salt Lake City radio station 94.9 ZHT. The utlimate winner of the contest will get at least 100 minutes of airplay and will be introduced to record labels, etc. etc. How is a winner chosen? By listeners' votes. This is where you come in. You are of course not obligated to do this under our friendship contract, and even if you don't, you'll still be my friend, but it would help our friendship greatly if you went online and voted for my brothers. :-) Just go to http://www.949zht.com/americanidol/ You will have to sign up with the radio station, but they're not going to send you lots of e-mails or anything like that. Anyway, the band is currently listed as 3 Percent, but I am trying to get them to change it to their REAL name. Just so you know if you get to the site and search the page for "hero" you probably won't find them. Unless the order changes for each visitor, they are band No. 60 or at least they were when I voted. And if you don't feel right about voting for them just because you know their big brother, you CAN listen to their song "I Miss You" right there on the site to decide if you really do want to vote for them. And you don't have to be a Salt Laker or even a Utahn to vote. You might even help by puffing up the station's pride by making them think they have online listeners all across the country. :-) So go to http://www.949zht.com/americanidol/ and vote for 3 Percent Hero (or 3 Percent, or whatever they list them as next. :-)) Thanks, and now, get back to what you were doing. Oh, but first, go vote. GO VOTE!!!!! Doug _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: warning I got a new "game" in email from LauraHey, only the address was at "hotmail.c" rather than "hotmail.com". I emailed the real LauraHey and she said it wasn't from her and not to open it. So, everybody should probably be especially careful about any executable files they receive, even if they appear to be from fellow arty turners. As B/4, John (who guarantees he is not going to be emailing any games to anybody) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:02:33 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Pawlowski" <sup330@msn.com> To: "Really Deep Thoughts Mailling List" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Nice! Kerri loved your post in 1662. Beauty is found in the most unexpected places. Megan, sending all spare positive energy your way, and I hope your kitty dose not suffer. George "I don't believe in baptism or waters of Jordan or anything like that, but I guess I feel about a hot bath the way those religious people feel about holy water." -Sylvia Plath, The Bell Jar http://theblue.artshost.com/ MSN - sup330@msn.com AIM - sup330aim@netscape.net YAHOO - sup330yah@yahoo.co.uk -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori A Near" <nearlori@pilot.msu.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: a quick burst... jim mathers - i love your posts. violet - *many hugs* during your mum's recovery. it's so good to see cheefooska juan posting so much. i love his words. I'm really quite excited about Tori's new album now that I'm hearing more about it. I feel a real "Under the Pink" connection for some reason, and I have no real basis for that feeling except in my gut. Well, I'm late for work. Imagine that. Unti later, `loria -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:16:24 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I wish I'd read the label before shoving them up my arse Beth asked about whether we want to hear about Tori's new album. Well, yes of course! :) That's just me. But I can't decide whether I want to download ASF (hmmm, if only Tori had called it 'Sorta Fairytale, A' ;) At the moment (AFAIK - I'm a little behind on that aspect of things) there's just a few words on topics covered, and considering how Tori twisted the pronography idea for SLG, who knows how she will actually delve into these things? One thing I do find particuarly interesting is the 'eastward' journey. Lots could be read into that. I have no real ideas on the dinner/friend/lover thing, other than Tori for dinner (not in the Lecter sense of course ;) Friend is one thing I've never though of, way to complicated to try thinking about it now (it's late ok?). Lover? It'd be a fling. heehee. I remember in high school joking I'd need a heap of cars for backseat escapades with the various 'famous people' I wouldn't mind fooling with. It would be a heap less now, but hmm... ;) where to start? Take a Trip on a rocket ship... LOL Whoever gets THAT gets... a slice of raspberry mudcake (97% fat free) or a gingerbread man (did another batch the other week, yummo). Though Dr Jackson would probably be ahead of him (yes I know, they're the characters, but I know more about them than the actors, just goes to show you looks aren't everything). Must remember to read Cyndi's fanfic.net stuff. I want a cool dragon stamp (rubber). I got one for my sis ages ago, but all the ones I've seen since are either too cutesy comical or oriental style dragons (and mes wants a western dragon type). Same goes for cross-stitch designs, though it'd be easier to make a decent one of those myself than a stamp. But if I do anything like that that's not bubs related it'll be a pegasus and a unicorn (separate designs) for the lounge room. Coops typed: >I see our beloved Prime Minister (a.k.a. arse licker) is in Crete. Great! >I'm sure they really needed another cretin there. He didn't schedule that trip well did he? No day off that coincided with the Wimbledon final. Of course if the Ashes were on in Fngland this year it would have been a different story. I think I'm rather thankful our dinner was the week before. So what was the chilli in? And I kept forgetting to mention you were quite presumptuous about how much Dickens' Cider I'm partaking in at the moment. Very little change :) Glad to hear your mum is ok Violet. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebs.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:10:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: The end of the world The reason I like conspiracy theories is that I'm no longer frightened of them. When I was a child, I was told nonstop (and indeed I still am told nonstop) about how exactly the world would end with sufferings tortures and government control. At eight years old, this is kind of a heavy burden. But one day in my anxiety ridden state I realized something that should have been awful to me. The Government already has all the tools it needs to control the populace. It already has all the monitoring devices, military budgets, and public support it needs to just slowly close its fist and take over. Simply put, however, it's not profitable. The default for humanity is freedom. It is always desired, it is always strived for. Humans are more productive under freedom and even in times of slavery, the slave owners eventually desire freedom for the slaves. In short, we want freedom for ourselves, we want freedom for others. There will be wars, and opression and torture...as there is today. But this is not the end of the world, just one of its many cycles. The thing is, in my humble opinion...the world will unite. It's inevitable and the United States would either be a small small country against a united world or it could be a major player in the world government to come. So I think our presidents, without saying so, realize the inevitable and are going along with it. Because in the end, doing it or not doing it would do little to our freedom, but the costs to the nation could be huge. So in short, I believe ina great many conspiracy theories...but I don't see them all as evil. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:21:27 -0400 From: CruelGrl18@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: "And I'm so sad" Violet, I'm so pleased your mama made it out okay! I told my dad about your mom going in last night, he made a nod to his gods for you. ::hugs:: it's good news, now you rest!! Megan. <3 take care dear, it is so hard to lose a pet, i know... but your kitty will be more comfortable soon and that will fill your heart with it's own happiness. ::hugs:: Brian: Yes, I see that was blatantly obvious, however your innuendos are your life force so I was merely stating you'd be lost without them, the point to that mess is still alive and well. I know I've got some suction, even if I'm not the best e-mail replier in the world anyway. ;) And no, that isn't like having your period every month, that was just an unfortunate situation for you to be in and I'm sorry. People always wonder why i won't even eat veggie chili.. I think I should print out your post and hand it to them. :) I agree with you on the Missouri ruling, Koba. and you know it was you that was sucking down those hotdogs, don't deny it. Cindy- I think you're one of my favorite people to come in after I left. You are so excited, I love reading your posts, you're very positive as well. :) _________________________________________________ So, I got the new Tori song thru a friend of mine. "A sorta fairytale", and running on just this song alone.. no this is not a friggin' american theme. Just because it was written while on the road after september 11th does not mean it will be. I believe this album may have a song or two in reference to it or something.. but I don't think it's going to be the great american feature for the year, sorry. Um, Russ (who's not here, I don't think.)would be pleased because of the obvious reference to "She's come undone" by Wally Lamb which he gave to her at a meet and greet in Atlanta once. In any rate, I'm not going to go in depth with the song because I don't want to ruin it for anyone else... I figured out lyrics myself (badly at that, but I've "corrected" them) but they are also on the dent and in the Tori LJ community http://www.livejournal.com/users/toriamos/ if you want it, you know how to find me. if you don't want it and think I'm the antichrist for perhaps sending it to a few people, don't flame me, just decline. Thanks. -Elisha "Time spent waiting offshore, the calm before the storm. My take on you is simple, so hear your fear, you're such a comfortable liar" -Chevelle -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:26:08 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: stuff, things, and sleeping in sucks. HI everybody!!! ......... um.. you're supposed to go "HI Doctor Nick!" now.. .... ah forget it. lol.. anyway.. wild koba said: "it's one thing to write a retarded judicial ruling that makes the pledge unconstitutional, but it's perhaps worse to pass a state law requiring it." I can't remember if I said something in here about it or not, but my dad said that there is nothing.. ABSOLUTELY nothing in the constitution that requires a separation of church and state.. and that the reason why we think there is is cuz Thomas Jefferson gave a speech and more or less hinted at it, and people got that all mixed up with the actual constitution.. My dad can ALSO remember when they put "under God" INTO the pledge as it is, so *shrug* koba then said: "if we could dedicate as much time to those issues as was spent in preparing the "pledge" case (the plaintiff clocked 4000 hours!), the world would be a better place." I totally agree.. I think this crap is ridiculous. Beth said: "Andrea and I were talking today and she said she didn't want to know too much about this album before it comes out. Do other people feel that way?" I *kinda* do, but things like tracklisting and lyrics and so on.. are definitely okay with me.. I mean.. *shrug* if it's not the actual HEARING of the album, what difference is it gonna make? but yeah, I think you (all of us) should definitely put spoilers in for the rest of us who want to hear NOTHING of the album until it's out. :) Beth said she'd invite Tori and maybe Neil to dinner: "What would I make? Possibly my portobello mushrooms -- which I cook with butter and garlic and fresh rosemary -- or teriyaki salmon over rice with broccoli -- or maybe pasta with tomato sauce made from scratch -- or possibly roast chicken basted in olive oil and balsamic vinegar. I guess it would depend what they're in the mood for." YOU'RE MAKING ME HUNGRY!! *whines and drools* John said: "I feel like the woman in "You Can't Take it With You" who became a playwright because somebody delivered a typewriter to her house by mistake." I wish I could do that with my whole wanting to be a rockstar dealio. :P Coops said: "I spent just about all of Saturday on the toilet. It even made me bleed. Is this what it's like to have a period each month" No.. not quite. It's a little messier in terms of blood.. and a little more painful (at least on day 1..) and deeper in terms of cramps. It DOESN'T feel like gas or dookie-related pains. Plus.. you only spent ONE day in pain. some girls have to spend more than one day *in pain* and most of us spend a lot more time than you did bleeding. o_O Coops then said: "I'm also sure that Elisha would like a Dickens' Cider. Note how I've moved the apostrophe, as I've never met anyone called Dicken." rofl! honey, I'm thinking most of us girls would like some of that Dickens' Cider. Some of us are just waiting (either for the right, erm, BRAND.. or say, the night of the "big opening night party") to get some of it. Coops then said to me: "Where would you want to "sprout" it, in the middle of your forehead? It's not a matter of seeing, it's feeling that gives it the big whoop." Oh, gee. @_@ okay. He then said in reply to my question of the last time he had a Dickens' Cider: "Come here and I'll tell you a minute after the fact." I.... don't think so. :D Brad showed us some beautiful epitaphs and cards.. good stuff.. some of it's pretty sad but good. :) Violet: glad your mom made it through surgery! *continues sending good thoughts and wishes* good luck with her recovery.. :) that's all from me for now! much luhhhhv! *blows kisses and waves!* Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ *or* http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:45:38 -0400 From: wildkoba <wildkoba@wildkoba.com> To: rdt <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1663 > Watching home run derby. did anyone else catch sosa's moonshots? goodness those were disgusting. i also happened to be at the mets game a couple of weeks ago when that shitbag mo vaughn hit a 505 foot blast off the billboard on top of the scoreboard. that, my friends, made me nauseous. then again, the mets in general have made me want to throw up throughout most of the season thus far. here's to hoping that those shitheads wake up in august. > That being said, I wonder why no comments have been made to Ari's > critique of Jim's virginity post. i don't think "ari" was critiquing jim's virginity post. she definitely made it very clear that she wasn't flaming him, and i think her question was perfectly fair. nothing "critquely" about saying, "do you believe what you're saying?" and especially since i can't see anything malicious about her asking it.... so native american history, porn (what is it with tori and porn? jesus- she should get laid or something), andrew jackson, and david "your asshole will be" torn. some album this could turn out to be. speaking of, i know i've sung torn's praises in the past, but damn it feels good to know he's playing on this album. if tori couldn't get robert fripp or vernon reid to lay tracks, torn is just as good a choice. wild koba http://wildkoba.com/destination/cali2002/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: Really Deep Thoughts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: What's this cheery singing all about? Hola mes amies! I...am...going...to...post...something...cheerful...DAMMIT! No more sad things! Happy things! Nice things! Non-essential, light, fake-sugar, skipping rope, puppies and kittens and recovering mothers CHEERFUL THINGS! Thus, here is a link to the greatest short film ever made, ever. The GREATEST, I tell you! The absolutely most WONDERFUL thing ever created by man or machine! You must click on it. All of you. Every single person on RDTRN must watch this amazing amazing short film and become enamoured with its great greatness. http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/atom_348 "In God We Trust". Hell yeah! ...Time to drink a smoothie... How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:42:45 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: taste heaven perfectly Violet wrote: > When my father had surgery in this same hospital in 1988, he had a > stroke afterwards and never recovered, staying in the hospital the two > remaining months of his life. I was terrified my mom was going to > have a stroke. It could still happen, since my dad's did after > sugery. But I doubt it. My dad had cancer plus a bad heart plus he > smoked heavily and was an alcoholic plus he had a lot of problems with > blood clots anyway. My mom doesn't have any of that. One of the things that freaked me out the most about my surgery was that I would have to be in a hospital for any length of time. I visited my mother daily in the hospital for months at a time and it was in a hospital where she eventually died. So I don't trust them at all. In fact I still suspect if she hadn't been treated by a nurse with a head cold she might have lived longer than she did. (For those of you who don't know, my mom had accute emphysema that weakened her body and her immune system, so the tiniest germ would turn into full-blown pneumonia for her, requiring ICU and the whole thing.) So I didn't really want to be in a hospital at all, but I definitely did not want to have to stay in one overnight. I did everything possible to get out of it when they wanted to keep me because I just couldn't get over being nauseous (and I wanted to just go and be nauseous at home, dammit). Anyhow, so I know just how you felt - or I think I do anyway. I'm so glad everything's okay. Just remember to visit her lots. It gets very boring and lonely in hospitals! Beth -- "How do you 'consume' music, when (a) music isn't a thing and (b) it's still there after you've used it... Just because the industry markets it as a commodity doesn't mean we have to accept their terms of reference. It's time people stopped talking about 'consuming' art and culture and so on and started thinking of art as an activity." (Christopher Small) _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:16:01 -0500 From: Andrea Norstad <silent@northwestern.edu> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: you could taste heaven perfectly beth w. said: >Andrea and I were talking today and she said she didn't want to know too >much about this album before it comes out. Do other people feel that >way? Should posts about the album come with "spoilers"? I admit the >LA Times thing got me all curious. I can never really wait to hear a new >Tori album, anyway. well, yeah. i *did* say that. but i'm recanting a bit right now. i've been listening to "a sorta fairytale" on repeat for the past half an hour. i'll decide what to do about other mp3s as they come. whatever. and in terms of spoilers... well, if people don't want to know about the album at all they probably know what sites to avoid. so i think adding spoiler space is going a bit too far. so i don't know what i'm going to do. i'll decide as more information comes out. i'm fascinated by what i've read so far, and this song is, in my mind, a step in the right direction... i posted this in beth's livejournal (www.livejournal.com/users/anthologie) and then decided it should be fleshed out for an rdt post... in response to "a sorta fairytale," it's a tori song, but it's about something totally mundane. it's about driving in a car, taking a road trip, it's an extended metaphor. it's not tuna rubber or the other side of the galaxy or riding on the vine on the clothesline. don't get me wrong, i love that stuff. but... it's even less obtuse than "a thousand oceans." it's refreshing. it's open. it's funny... a song called "a sorta fairytale," without pandora or the black dove or concertina. it's refreshing and i like it very much. are we all growing up? well, no, according to jim mathers there is no such thing. ;> but i noticed this with the "strange little girls" interviews as well. tori isn't being quite the airy fairy flake she used to be. the slg interviews, of course, could be considered kind of out there when compared to the way other musicians talk about their songs. but if you look at them next to the "under the pink" or "boys for pele" interviews they are so much more lucid. there's twitter in some places about whether or not this song will push tori into the mainstream. i think it would be nice if it does. her concerts sell out anyway, i don't think getting tickets will be a problem for people who are determined. i don't understand why people are so protective over "their" musicians. if someone listening to adult contemporary radio hears this song and loves it, i think that would be awesome. wow. between this and the new counting crows album, it's been quite a big new music day for me! on another note, violet, i was very happy to read the good news about your mother. *hugs* you were in my thoughts. andrea www.livejournal.com/users/amaltheagray -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:31:46 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: the Internet debacle Devin gave me this link tonight to an article by singer-songwriter Janis Ian about the whole Napster thing. It's the most incisive, intelligent, and well-researched piece I've seen on the topic so far, and I thought many of you (especially Koba) would like to read it: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html A quote: 'The premise of all this ballyhoo is that the industry (and its artists) are being harmed by free downloading. Nonsense. Let's take it from my personal experience. My site (www.janisian.com ) gets an average of 75,000 hits a year. Not bad for someone whose last hit record was in 1975. When Napster was running full-tilt, we received about 100 hits a month from people who'd downloaded Society's Child or At Seventeen for free, then decided they wanted more information. Of those 100 people (and these are only the ones who let us know how they'd found the site), 15 bought CDs. Not huge sales, right? No record company is interested in 180 extra sales a year. But? that translates into $2700, which is a lot of money in my book. And that doesn't include the ones who bought the CDs in stores, or who came to my shows. Or take author Mercedes Lackey, who occupies entire shelves in stores and libraries. 15 years ago she published a series of books with "Arrows" in the title; she's been getting royalties ever since. However, she recently put the first "Arrow" book on Eric Flint's "Baen Free Library" site, and one royalty period after, she received over triple the normal royalty.* In fact, payment on all her old titles increased, suddenly and significantly, with the only change being the availability of that one free book. I don't know about you, but as an artist with an in-print record catalogue that dates back to 1965, I'd be thrilled to see sales on my old catalogue rise. Lackey says "It's what I'd expect to happen if a steady line of people who'd never read my stuff encountered it for free?they started to work through my backlist." I've found that to be true over and over again. Every time we make a few songs available on my website, sales of all the CDs go up. A lot.' Beth -- "How do you 'consume' music, when (a) music isn't a thing and (b) it's still there after you've used it... Just because the industry markets it as a commodity doesn't mean we have to accept their terms of reference. It's time people stopped talking about 'consuming' art and culture and so on and started thinking of art as an activity." (Christopher Small) _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** The Trouble With Reality Is There's No Background Music digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. 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