RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1686

RDT Right Now #1686

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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 17:53:22 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1686 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o no buddy christ [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] Re: RDT Right Now #1684 [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] SPOILER: MINORITY REPORT [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ] replies [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] The origins of spam! [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] oh so tired [ Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterroris ] ToriCon RAINN Auction [ Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@mindspring.co ] replies [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On August 3rd in 1992, updated tour dates and itinery are posted, and discussion about "Eric's Song" (what is now commonly refered to as "Song for Eric"). In 1993, Happy Rhodes, and people sorting out what is actually happening for Torifest (August 1st) and OkTorifest (October 1st). In 1994, the results for the list poll on least fave Tori track (with MAAG coming out on top), Tori and vulgarity dominate discussion, and a member posts an article with psychologist and songwriter impressions of "Cornflake Girl". Plus, a member posts about a connection between Honey and Toni Morrison's "Beloved". The same member also posts: Anyway---- here's some Tori trivia for all you die-hard fans who know EVERYTHING about Tori ---- is the urine in the SATY Video and LE artwork Tori's or someone elses? I've been wondering about that for awhile. [It's honey, not urine.] In 1995, more bounced digests and more complaints about them (and a note from Chris saying it should be cleared up soon). In 1996, female gymnasts, interpretations of the line "You think I'm a queer, I think you're a queer", bunny rabbits (which digresses into weird pet eating habits), "Trainspotting", someone wants to remind all that this is a Tori list (not a gymnastics, drugs, frontal nudity in movies, Alanis, or Jewel list), Nutella, and concert reviews. In 1997, Lilith Fair, and responses to a member's inquiry about lyrics from unknown (to him) Tori songs. In 1998, people sticking up for the 15-year-old fans. In 1999, Blair Witch. In 2000, continuing discussion about the members who left, and the ensuing discussion about freedom of speech and how the list is run, politics, and garden gnomes. In 2001, SirCam, and continuing on with the suicide thread. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:30:23 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: no buddy christ Bethany said: > somewhere in the painting you put the words > "pain" or the word "joy" I agree. It's the same with music. You play somebody a piece of music and get their reaction. And then put words to that music, and (depending on the words) the reaction can change a lot. Patti Smith started as a visual artist, by the way. Then she started adding words to the drawings. Gradually the words took up more and more space, so she became a poet. (and, as you know, I have a painting in my living room which prominently features the word "Ha") Cheefooska Juan said: > my purpose is not to offend catholics here, but it is a travesty. My father taught me a lot of useful things (things like, "whenever you sign something, always keep a copy," and "a lot of people can write a good first act, the difficult part is to write a good third act"), and we disagreed about a lot of things, but, looking back, the thing I admire and thank him for the most is that, when he was 21, he left the Catholic Church. A lot of Catholics simply stop going to church, but still consider themselves Catholics, but that wasn't enough for my father. He had to make a definite break. I'm sure that was difficult, especially with his family (he was first generation Italian-American), but he had to do it, and I'm glad he did. I wish he would have lived long enough to see "Dogma." AS B/4, John (just heard on the radio that New York librarians are being required to cover their tattoos and piercings, and stop wearing mini-skirts. My father, a former librarian, would have got a laugh out of that, too) -------------------- "in this land, right now, some are insane, and they're in charge." -- the gang of four -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:52:00 -0500 From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1684 I want one of these! : http://www.the-rocketman.com/gphr_state/whlchair_frt.jpg and here's more about what the music industry is doing to net based radio: http://www.pcworld.com/resource/printable/article/0,aid,103403,00.asp welcome back linda :) bethany wrote: >i have a hard time in critiques, because i always seem to blurt out what i'm >feeling at the bottom of my gut, rather than thinking it through and coming >up with some huge statement. which i'm not sure if that's a good thing or >not. I think it's because when we're exposed to a truly profound work, we feel obligated to try to say something equally profound in the way of a critique. Feeling that after being blown away by something it just wouldn't be right to simply say "that was great". The flip side of that seems to be the longwinded film critiques I've seen where it seems like the critic is looking for all sorts of things in the movie that just aren't there. other really excellent comments about words and their impact. Oh- there was a scuplture that was salvaged from the WTC ruins. Was that the work you were referring to? >whew. my brain is fried, and i have to say goodnight now. so glad Jessi >isn't here to ruin this discussion with her hysterics. hey! miss parsons hasn't been here in a while, and she never objected your discussions ;) Interested observations on how DVD's cost the same as or less than CD's. That's something I'd love to seen an explantion for. >goodness, i'm certainly verbose these days. you say that like it's a bad thing ;) > >and btw, just to clarify - when you reply to me, call me Bethany and call >Beth Winegarner Beth, just to avoid confusion on either on our parts. nah, we'll just call you "that roo-sen girl" ;) lavs: >ha! I just realised the new release date is my Dad's b'day. I doubt he even >knows who Tori is. endeavor to change that ;) >Woohoo, I got a new sewing machine today! wonder where this thread is going.... from jim g: >For those who don't know the word for mishearing lyrics (or anything >else for that matter), it's "mondegreen." A regional radio show ran a program about that last year, and the examples of misheard songs were truly mind boggling. Some songs might hard to understand but many of the misheard songs were obvious enough that you'd wonder how anyone could have made the mistake! > >Among my favorites include "The ants are my friends, they're blowing >in the wind," "'When a man loves a walnut," classics in the world of mondegreens! >and "Looking for a satyr >beneath these dirty sheep..." the one mondegreen that damns one to hell. >>incidentally: what's the correct spelling? I've seen it written both way- >>Tse-tung as well as Zedong. > >Both are correct. In the '80's, as China was trying to gain more >acceptance among its Western potential trading partners, it decided >to formalize the transliteration of its words and names. ) I knew about the change but never knew why. Good info on that. I had known that it wasn't the same as had occured in the former Soviet Union where for polictical reasons place names were changed. There's a Russian city called Volgograd, although it's famous for the World War II battle that took place there. But said battle isn't referred to as the Battle of Volgograd. > >The Russians have done something similar, but guys like Tchaikovsky >are so etched into the public consciousness, we wouldn't recognize >the name if it were spelled "Chajkovskij," now would we? That just doesn't look right. What's next? Americans changing the spellings of words like center, color, and endeavor, to "fit in" better with the rest of the world? ;) >1. Mr. Holland's Opus there was the homage to Judas Priest I wanted to make: Mr. Halford's Opus ;) >Top five albums (subject to change without notice) > >1. Delerium: Poem >2. John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band >3. Cousteau: Cousteau >4. Harry Chapin: Dance Band on the Titanic >5. Tori Amos: Under the Pink hmmm....you did check the sequence before you posted? Something is very wrong. bethey- great posting about the whole issue of laws and punsihment vs. education. It seems like the authorities are quicker to exact retribution on people over minor offenses because they're the easy targets, rather than go after the people who really are a threat to the community. juan- very interesting firsthand account of the situation in Mexico. Seems like the two countries Americans know the least about are Canada and Mexico. Is that a pattern elsewhere in the world I wonder? People knowing the least about the countries closest to them I mean. The US press has played up how great President Fox is supposed to be because he's the first Mexican president since the 1930s who wasn't from the PRI party. Is it true that he's no better than his predecessors? >cheefooska the satanic cookie monster a cookie monster who works for microsoft ;) later! Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 21:53:04 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: SPOILER: MINORITY REPORT hi guys **** if you don't want to read about major plot details for "minority report", skip the rest of this post!! **** i'm hoping you lovely people might be able to help me out with something which has been bugging me today - an apparent paradox in "minority report". ok, here's the thing. the whole chain of events which leads john anderton to be in the room with leo crow is set off by john seeing the precogs' foretelling of the murder. it seems to me paradoxical that the precogs foresaw a murder that would have had no chance of happening if they hadn't foreseen it. any thoughts? matt ---------- "Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne conna�t point." Blaise Pascal, "Pens�es" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:11:54 -0500 From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: replies hello! cyndi wrote about the flaming she encountered on another list: > (I *hate* flamewars.) I said that in a >post.. and then someone accused me of having "A.S.S."--Attention Seeking >Syndrome. the standard accusation when you attempt to create an atmosphere where the accusers *aren't* the center of attention. when someone accuses you of "attention seeking", know that it's really because the accusers are trying to avoid being called that themselves ;) >*** Remember...The *Neck* Needs Sunblock Too (Sunburn SUU-UUCKS) digest *** Sunblock ad campaign in the southern US ;) lavs wrote about the new album: >To sum it all up... it's still growing. I guess it doesn't leave a fantastic >aftertaste, though it's not bad. I was grabbed by Bliss and SLG more than >this. I predict that on this very list we will read postings about how it's the greatest album of the year (AT 39) brian- good "counter" argument to the postings about copy protection. I totally agree that the recording industry could have gotten on board in the beginning to take advantage of the 'net instead of simply attacking piracy without coming up with decent solutions. Something similar has happened in regards to coventional broadcasting vs. net-based radio. Rather than take advantage of a new medium, there's a push from the large broadcasting companies and the recording industry to effectively create a royalty/licensing plan that makes it prohibitivly expensive for 'net radio operations to survive while the fees for conventially broadcasters conveniently remains the same. Instead of seeing the potential of the medium, they're using their clout and money to force their potential future competition to be legislated out of existence. > *** A Wholesome Mind Is Wasted Potential digest *** hehehehe! ;) cyndi wrote: > hee hee.. I've *gotta* say this. I'd rather have someone lop off >my right ear as it's all purely decoration anyway!! don't forget that ears are there so we have something to help hold our glasses on and as a referrence point on our heads so we don't pull our hats down too far ;) seriously though, what purpose do human ears serve? the external part doesn't seem to have any connection to hearing, and they don't seem to cover the openings to the ear canal (as do the ears on some animals). claire wrote: >Is it just me, or is the windows xp design just ugly (I've just been >defaulted back to it)? Of coure XP is ugly, but Windows has been pure crap since version 3.1. Gates wanted to named it after his lucky number in hexadecimal code so it was almost called Windows 29A, but his marketing people told him it would have been too obvious. And then there's the newer X-Box design being developed, which looks suspiciously like a Chinese puzzle box..... >Not that I really have a problem with xp in >general... it apologises when it's going to crash, which is a nice addition. Unlike the WinBlows 98 error messages which IMHO are the computer equivalent to saying "Fuck You! I'm shutting down and you can't stop me!" ;) congrats on the spanish test grades :) brian wrote: >Why do people answer my rhetorical questions? I don't know. >But at the same >time, people all over the world actually leave hospital better off than >when they went in every day. While I'm sure that's the case most of the time, I can provide an account to the contrary..... cyndi wrote: >rofl.. now you need to go see Austin Powers number 3! rofl.. did >you watch the stuff during the end credits, Simon? crazy stuff.. lol.. I need to see both movies again- TNT screws with the closing credits so they're not even readable! >.. don't >forget I also love to make music videos on my editing machine. :) that reminds me: I've experimented with "music videos" myself- although it's seeing how an existing song can be synched with unrelated film footage. Like the cool spaceflight montage I put together and synched with music from Kitaro. >Simon said: "Is it just me, or does it seem like with all the reports of >evil things terrorists *might* do being reported, it's just giving them >ideas?" > uh, yes, and no.. yes because maybe they hadn't thought of it >before.. and no because if we mentioned it, chances are, we're expecting >it.. and if we're expecting it, they won't be able to actually carry >those nasty plans out. true, I guess it's always going to be a catch 22- warn people and run the risk of giving terrorists ideas, or don't talk about possibilities for future attacks and the public ends up not being mentally prepared- knowing what suspicious activities to look for or what ways one can protect themselves. megan the succubus barbie wrote: >Today I went to a 'feast', which was basically me, Ade, Sam, and Laura >getting together at Laura's house to eat food and play 'wetball' over a >frog spitting water while her brother burned things. so her brother's name is Beavis? or Donald Elbert? ;) If he's not careful they'll send him to the nuthouse in Terre Haute! brian wrote: >Subject: Is that a gun in your pocket? Someone once asked Puff Daddy that. >It was weirder again that night when I got home and >saw on the news that a guy tried to assassinate the French president with a >rifle he'd concealed in a guitar case. Maybe I've just watched Desperado >too many times. I was thinking similarly when I first heard about it. An assassin who likes American gangster and police story films a little too much- the gun in a guitar case seems so cliche. During interogation by the police, I wonder if he said he was working alone, or if he was merely a patsy or fall guy for others involved. And has he said anything about having been viewing the movie "Taxi Driver" a lot? They better be careful escorting throught the parking garage of the police headquarters. >Funny you should mention Canberra now, as I'm doing field service down >there on Friday. Is Canberra really in the middle of nowhere? Reminds me of how Brasilia was built in the remotest place possible in Brazil. >>Or allowing Tazers on board. I can see it now- the offending cellphone >>user calls a friend back on Earth, and the friend answers their phone, to >>hear their Mars-bound friend say "Guess where I'm calling from...zzzzaap!" >Bugger the space ships, I want to be able to use one of those on the train. I can see it now: "Yes your honor, I know Tazers are illegal..but the guy had a cell phone on the train!" Judge pounds gavel and declares the case dismissed! >No, he just does a simple comb-over. The man is all class. Murdoch would >have far more power than Gates, so in that he is the devil incarnate. The >shares in his company have been diving for months now, but you won't read >about that in any of his newspapers or see it on his TV stations. Yet when >other companies have a hiccup, they're the first to yell and scream. Yep, sounds like the way Fox News Channel has been reporting the business world. Now I understand why they're showing so much enthusiasm covering all the stock problems and illegal activities other companies are getting busted for. Means that Murdoch must really be hiding something! >>Seriously- the Airplane movies were retitled outside the US? > >Yup! Surely I am serious. And don't call me Shirley. Why the hell would US films need to be retitled in another English-speaking country? It sounds a little like the way older TV shows have sometimes been retitled for out-of-production syndication, even though the shows are well-known enough that the retitling is sort of moot. later! Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:36:12 -0500 From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: The origins of spam! Really funny thing I found on the Straight Dope site ( straightdope.com ) about where email spam originated: ****************************** 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not replyth to any e-mail, save from those that thou knowest"? 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may reply to any e-mail of persons and personages that we know: 3:3 But of the strange, and the unsolicited we shall not touch, lest we violate the T&Cs." 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely voilate the T&Cs!" 3:5 But the woman, being no dummy said "Bull. Get Ye lost, snake!" and strolleth off the snake did. 3:6 "And yet" thought the serpent "There are possiblities here..." and his crafty mind set to work 3:7 And it so it was, the next morning that the woman saw a message appear on the terminal screen near the tree: "UNCONTROLLED TEENAGE SEXXXXX NYMPHOS!" it promised 3:8 But the woman said "My husband Adam is my perfect mate. What need have I for UNCONTROLLED TEENAGE SEXXXX NYMPHOS?" and deleteth she the infernal message, unopened. 3:9 The nexth dayth, the woman returned only to find another message: "MAKE MONEY FAST!!!!!!!!!!" 3:10 But again the woman proved wise as she said "What needth I of money? The LORD provideth for me." and again deleted the message. 3:11 "Cursssssseth! Foiled again!" hissed the Serpent. 3:12 The Snake trieth for several days: "POTENT ERECTION CREME!", "LIVE FOREVER WITH MAGIC MAGNET RINGS!", "THE HOLY-WOOD APPLE DIET! LOSE #####s NOW!" But the woman boughteth none of that bad shit. 3:13 Then the snake, in the pits of dispair had an idea that raiseth him higher than THE CLIFFS OF INSANITY! 3:14 And it was on the very nexteth day that the woman found the followingth message: [b] REQUEST FOR AN URGENT ASSISTANCE:[b] And with no little trepidation, the woman openeth the message. 3:14.5 LADYMARYAM ABACHA ABACHA COURT GIDADO ROAD KANO - NIGERIA DEAR THE WOMAN: EVE, I AM LADY MARYAM ABACHA, WIFE OF LATE GENERAL SANI ABACHA, EX-MILITARY HEAD OF STATE OF NIGERIA WHO DIED ON THE 8TH OF JUNE 1998 OF HEART PROBLEMS. I CONTACTED YOU BECAUSE OF MY NEED TO DEAL WITH PERSONS WHOM MY FAMILY AND I HAVE HAD NO PREVIOUS PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. SINCE THE DEATH OF MY HUSBAND, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO ALL SORTS OF HARASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION WITH LOTS OF NEGATIVE REPORTS EMANATING FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PRESS ABOUT MY HUSBAND. THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO ENSURED THAT OUR BANK ACCOUNTS ARE FROZEN AND ALL ASSETS SEIZED. IT IS IN VIEW OF THIS, THAT I SEEK YOUR CO-OPERATION AND ASSISTANCE IN THE TRANSFER OF THE SUM OF ONE OR SEVERAL APPLES, BEING THAT THE VERY LAST OF MY FAMILY FUND IN MY POSSESSION AND CONTROL IS GONE. THE FEDERAL GOVERNEMENT SEIZED ALL OUR PROPERTIES AND FROZE ALL OUR ACCOUNTS BOTH LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL AFTER THE DEATH OF MY HUSBAND, BUT MY ONLY HOPE NOW IS THAT YOU SEND US FRUIT OF YOUR GARDEN TO EAT, ESPECIALLY THE APPLES! IF YOU CARE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP, PLEASE EAT OF ONE APPLE TO INSURE THEIR GOODNESS, THAT THERE BE NO INSECT INFESTATIONS THAT WOULD CAUSE CALIFORNIA TO REJECT THEIR SHIPMENT, THEN PACK SEVERAL MORE, THAT WE MAY EAT OF THEM AND STAY ALIVE! MEANWHILE, OUR INTENTION IS TO COME TO YOUR COUNTRY BASED ON YOUR ADVICE AND PLEASE ENSURE TO KEEP THIS PROPOSAL VERY SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR OBVIOUS REASONS AND SEND TO US YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE/FACSIMILE NUMBER AND PASSWORD INFORMATION FOR EASY AND CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION. PLEASE TREAT THIS AS A FORM OF HUMANITARIAN SERVICE BECAUSE WE ARE IN DIRE NEED OF YOUR HELP. PLEASE LET US KNOW THAT HELP IS ON THE WAY! WE AWAIT YOUR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. SINCERELY, LADY MARYAM ABACHA 3:15 And The woman's heart was touched by this letter. And she called her husband over and he too read the letter and his heart too was touched. Together they sampled an apple and finding that it was good, composed a brief reply proclaimthing that the apples would be senteth by FedEx the very next day! And together they presseth ENTER to send. And they did sendeth it! And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, their e-mail account laid bare and thousands and thousands of SPAM MESSAGES flowed in from across the world to their e-mail account! 3:16 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, "What is up with thou? I tried to e-mail you, but your mailbox is full! From whence these messages?" 3:17 And the man said, "My mailbox is full because I am being deluged with SEXXXX KITTENS and MAKE $$$$$ FAST and POTENT ERECTION CREAM and ENLARGE YOUR SKINNY TITTIES messages! I was afraid, because my account is naked before the net; and I hid myself. " 3:18 And HE said, "Who told them of thy e-mail account? How knowest they that it is active? Hast thou replied to spam, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not reply? " 3:19 And the man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she showed me the message of the poor Nigerian lady..." 3:20 And the LORD God said unto the woman, "What is this that thou hast done?" And the woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and we did reply." 3:21 "FOOLS!" cried THE LORD "Knowest not that the Nigerian Scam is the oldesth in the book? And besides, there isth no-one in Nigeria! It hasn't been inventedth yet!" And the man and woman wepth as they realized that they were, indeed fools. 3:22 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, "Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all newbies, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: I name thee "Spammer" 3:23 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. And all men and women will hate and flame thee." 3:24 And the snake said "I can live with that." and slithered off. 3:25 Unto the woman he said, "Thou wilt be condemned to delete spam for the rest of thine days. And thy nights will be filled forever emptying thine e-mail accounts unto that day when spam-filters are invented. And even then, some will still get through!" 3:26 And unto Adam he said, "Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast replied to the spam, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not reply to it: cursed art thou; in sorrow shalt thou read of it all the days of thy life; 3:27 Thine days of free T3 access are goneth like the wind. Now thou shalt only have dial up. And it shalt not even have a flat fee; thou must haveth an hourly rate! 3:28 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return as thou tryeth to earn enough to pay for access. " 3:29 So he drove out the man and the woman; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden a IP-filter, and a flaming firewall which turned every way, to keep the way of the ISP of life. ************************************** Well I thought is was funny! ;) contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:42:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: Really Deep Thoughts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: oh so tired Hola mes amies, I just came back from the gym and my entire body has magically turned into human-flavored jello. Don't ask me how, but if Bill Cosby gets near me with his damn cookie cutters, I'm going for the jugular. I don't care how much I wiggle when he tries to eat me. ...Wait. That didn't sound too good. Nevermind. Off subject. Anyways. My top five movies in my currently dead mind: 1. Run Lola Run 2. Donnie Darko 3. Labyrinth 4. Requiem For A Dream 5. Clue I am so dead. Bury me deep under the covers. I'm dead. Pushin up the daisies and the occasional marigold (or, as my friend Yiwei calls them, "Maggiegold"). I have to email my roommate Sharon and then brush my teeth, take my happy control-your-period pill, and then POOF! it's off to bed I go. So goodnight all and may sweet dreams grace you with the occasion weird one involving cold filters and faceless mouths that float around in the air making sucking motions. Those are always cool. Hello to the new people. I command you all to come up with a cool new topic of conversation, because I for one am too damn dead to think of anything right now outside of the strange fishy delusions that are currently floating arond my sleep deprived brain. It's lightening out. Gotta go. Get electrocuted. Au revoir. How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:49:36 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@mindspring.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: ToriCon RAINN Auction Hello everyone! The fifth annual ToriCon RAINN Auction is now in full swing! This year, we have a great array of items, including: * a copy of the _From the Choirgirl Hotel_ lyrics book, autographed by Tori * several necklaces, including the now-withdrawn 'China' necklace * _Lyrics_ limited edition hardcover book There are other interesting non-Tori items, including a Bondage Barbie, Hello Kitty vibrator, and a Poe condom lollipop. Bidding has already started, and ends on Sunday at 3pm Eastern. Check out the website at: http://www.little-blue-world.org/people/nadyne/auction/ This is ToriCon's fifth auction. Last year, we raised more than $3000 for RAINN. In total, we have raised more than $10,000 for RAINN, and hope to continue our streak. We realise that this isn't every much money in the grand scheme of things, but we're happy to do whatever we can to help out this great cause. If you have any questions or would like to place a bid, you can send them to <auction@rmta.org>. Thanks! :) Nadyne. {ToriCon RAINN Auction webmistress} -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:00:00 -0500 From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: replies hello again! cyndi wrote: > Sweeeeeet.. you're an intellectual! I don't dig sports unless >it's basketball in my cousins' driveway in Oklahoma. :D I'll raise you one better: I've *never* played sports. Something I take pride in ;) > Simon then said: "....even with that telescope, a 3 inch >reflector I could still get great views of Jupiter's largest moons, >Saturn's rings, and excellent close-in looks at the moon." > DUDE! that ROCKS! lol golly! what'd it all look like? are they >colored like they supposedly are in the professional pics taken by ppl >like NASA? The professionally made pics from are from very large telescopes, and more recently, the pics of planets are from the robotic probe missions, but the one other reason some of the pics taken through telescopes (nebula and galaxies for example) look the way the do is because those photos are exposures built up over time (minutes or sometimes even hours) so the film (or CCD unit in a digital camera) can record far more light coming in than the human eye can pick up. Little know fact is that professional astronomers don't actually look through a telescope ;) That said though, even through my small telescope, just putting my eye to the eyepiece I could still get some pretty cool views- like the Orion Nebula's colors weren't as easy to see but the obvious "star cloud" appearance was visible, as well as the larger cloud features on Jupiter and Saturn's rings. Things like binary stars were easily resolved as well. And slightly larger telescopes with the proper tracking drive and camera setups can get pics comparable to what's been obtained from cameras attached to large observatory telescopes. One of these days I need to get a new telescope- and a good spot away from light pollution to make for better stargazing :) > Simon then wondered: "I know my interest in space and astronomy >really was a sore spot with some people, like I was doing something >wrong, but I've never totally understood why one should be so angry at >someone for enjoying learning things on their own." > If you did it all the time (I did it a LOT when I was >younger--read I mean.) and hardly visited with the outer world, that's >probably all it was.. they probably just wanted you to visit THEM for a >change. *shrug* Well it's not like I was camped out in the backyard stargazing all the time or failing in school because I was reading stuff I liked over what was assigned in class ;) There was just a period of time (middle and high school) where it seemed like my family acted like indulging in something I enjoy during "down time" meant that I was something copping out on or cheating on schoolwork. My parents always made a big deal about responsibility and education, which overall was a good thing on their part. I just think they got very carried away and too aggressive trying to make sure that I wasn't hung up on one interest or making sure I was doing well in school. Of course I made sure that things like school and just being around other people had priority. And yes, despite the arguments about me being "obsessed" with things, I still (and still do!) spend lots of time with my family and friends ;) cool "Happy Phantom" quote from the tori interview :) about pets and esp: > My brother's dog picks up on them very well. When they were >fretting and worrying that the loan for their new house wouldn't go >through, she was laying around bummed too. And then they got the phone >call that the loan DID go through and they immediately were happy, and KC >(the dog) immediately started bouncing around the house and being happy.. >crazy, isn't it? :) There was something I saw on TV a few years ago that showed dogs and cats left alone at home while their owners were out for the day "knowing" it was getting close to the time someone would be coming how. Hidden cameras in the homes showed the pets getting excited even though there was no external cues that their respective owners were heading home. about my first attempt at writing: > dude, that's ridiculous.. totally ridiculous.. she took offense >to what *YOU* felt? hmmph. can't please everybody. I should have clarified that for the most part, people as a whole seem pretty cool about someone in a wheelchair or with some other type of disability. But I have encountered a dirty little secret of the disabled community: lots of internal hostility- small factions of disabled persons and people in support roles leveling lots of nastiness at the rest of the "community". Sort of a bizarre form of the cliques and "in" and "out" groups schoolkids form, with the hardcore enforcing of assinine social protocols and being really obnoxious and petty about image. Myself and many others express themselves in ways that violate the "stoicism in the face of adversity" rule. The image of the "uber-handicapped" fuels a serious disdain for anything intellectual among the disabled. Thing is, *lots* of disabled persons feel left out (as I do) by the "official" support because it focuses heavily on a lot of the same crap all the time. Ubermacho males playing hardcore sports get tons of coverage in the disabled-themed media, while I have yet to see much about disabled writers, musicians, video producers (personal here ;) ), or space/science types. Waxing philosophical and being frank about how things are isn't allowed. And for reasons I've mentioned at length previously, me connecting with any of the machismo being shoved down people's throats is simply an impossibility. Don't get me wrong- I'm not depressed about things like I used to be, and for the most part I'm fine about lots of things and I feel confident enough to say so when something sucks instead of feeling obligated to lie about it. And me wanting to write stuff is starting to "thaw". I haven't gotten a whole lot written, mostly notes about ideas for a sci-fi story I've been thinking about and coming up with ways to educate people about disability issues in a way that's honest but still leave the audience with a positive feeling about it. Overall, the problem I've run into with criticism isn't that lots of people react negatively, it's that a few very vocal people react in ways that are very out of proportion to whatever they think is wrong with something of mine that they've seen. Sometimes a few people make enough noise that it drowns out the good responses that come along. cool site btw! I can sympathize about having to work around limitations *hug* jim wrote: >Subject: Dog Named Blue hey lavs- isn't that your daughter's favorite TV show? ;) later! Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Despite The High Cost Of Living, It Remains Popular digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. 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