RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1688

RDT Right Now #1688

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:38:04 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1688 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o dance like the king of the eyesores [ Rebecca <browngregory@mac.com> ] I'm LATE I'm LATE!!!!!!!!!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] sex in speed racer city [ Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterroris ] it's battleship grey outside [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] you were laid on your back with the [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ] I'm not going to carousel this year [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] help me rhonda, help me get this son [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On August 5th in 1992, more discussion about the live tapes a list member was sending out, news that a Tori compilation video tape is cancelled, and news about the MAAG/SATY re-release. In 1993, Happy Rhodes, Sandman, details about Tori's up coming "In Concert" performance, and Bjork's "Debut". In 1994, lots of reviews, continuing discussion about Tori's live performances (tempo and slurring), feminism, the "golden droplets" (i.e., the urine thread - a few correctly suggest it is honey), and reports a 20 second snippet of 'Winter' used in a Real World episode. In 1996, Nutella, rabbit rabbit, gymnasts and health issues, reviews, and the list is for non-Tori discussion too. In 1998, reviews, and young fans. In 1999, Blair Witch, more comments from members after hearing Bliss, and a "fight" is developing over John Cusack. In 2000, moderation and list owners, garden gnomes, Eminem, politics and voting. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:18:04 -0500 From: Rebecca <browngregory@mac.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: dance like the king of the eyesores or how the shins made my day So, The Shins concert was last night, and it more than exceeded my expectations. In fact, I think it was the best $8 show I've ever been to. They had 2 openers that I must check out later, except that I never caught the name of the first band, but they were local so I'm sure I'll hear about them again. The second band was the Track Stars (anyone heard of them?). They played these great 3-minute poppy punk songs, and maintained a repoire with the audience that might've been considered annoying if they weren't so endearing. For example, after their first song, they asked the audience if we liked it. When everyone responded positively, do you know what they did? They played it again. Then they asked if everybody still liked it, and everyone did. So, do you know what they did? They played it again. Not unlike the radio these days if you think about it. Luckily, it was probably only a 45-second song. And they did a great cover of New Order's Vigillante. One of the absolute highlights of the evening came after the concert though. The Shins are still a very approachable band, and after the show they sat on the stage and chatted with the few fans that stuck around. I mustered up the courage to ask them to sign my ticket and they were very sweet and obliging. I was wearing my Strange Little Girl t-shirt, and this is what happened: Neil the bassist: I like your t-shirt. Me: Oh, thank you! Do you know what it's from? Neil: No... Me, feeling silly now: Tori Amos James the singer/guitarist: You look sorta like her. Me: *swoon* So, they pretty much made my day, and I really needed it since I've been feeling sort of misplaced since we moved. ******************** MORE MINORITY REPORT SPOILERS ************************* (Seriously, turn back now if you don't want to know!) Matt said: > > i'm hoping you lovely people might be able to help me out with something >which > has been bugging me today - an apparent paradox in "minority report". > > ok, here's the thing. the whole chain of events which leads john anderton to > be in the room with leo crow is set off by john seeing the precogs' > foretelling > of the murder. it seems to me paradoxical that the precogs foresaw a murder > that would have had no chance of happening if they hadn't foreseen it. > > any thoughts? I have been pondering this since I saw the movie, too. I wasn't sure if the movie was trying to pull a fast one on me or if I'm just to dense to recognize the brilliance of it. As I see it, the only way the plotline could have worked is if in the planning stages, the director had alternate means to get John to the room--I'm not sure how, but there are a few possibilities. Assuming that's true, as soon as the man was paid to go the room and spread pictures across the bed, and the director had formulated some way to get John there, the precogs would see it (because premeditated crime is the easiest for them to predict). But this was an interesting situation because the precogs changed the situation even in the act of predicting it. And that was an inevitable part of the future, too, so they had to see that they would be involved. Maybe the initial fact of how John was going to end up in the room was unimportant outside of the fact that the premeditation by the director set into motion the chain of events. I don't know if what I just wrote makes any sense to anyone in the world but myself. But that's just how I resolved the conflict in my head. It's probably a bit of a stretch. **************************************************************************** Well, that's enough from me. Take care everyone. Rebecca -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:15:04 GMT From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Cc: Subject: I'm LATE I'm LATE!!!!!!!!!! no, I'm not pregnant. (I'm a virgin, for gosh sakes!) I'm LAAAAATE with replying to this!!!!!!! AUUUUGH!! if you ask me, that's even worse!! *hyperventilates and passes out* ....... anyway. John said: "Patti Smith started as a visual artist, by the way. Then she started adding words to the drawings. Gradually the words took up more and more space, so she became a poet." would this be Patti Smith who started that band during the punk movement and stuff? Simon said of art that moves us: "The flip side of that seems to be the longwinded film critiques I've seen where it seems like the critic is looking for all sorts of things in the movie that just aren't there." like Fight Club, for example.. lol Simon and I talked about this on AIM a few days ago.. *grins* Simon responded to Jim's list of top five albums: "hmmm....you did check the sequence before you posted? Something is very wrong." not if he did it "in no particular order" which he did, I believe. *shrugs* Simon replied to my post referring to a flamewar (accusing me of Attention Seeking Syndrome) I once encountered: "the standard accusation when you attempt to create an atmosphere where the accusers *aren't* the center of attention. when someone accuses you of "attention seeking", know that it's really because the accusers are trying to avoid being called that themselves ;)" scary thought.. I personally think that to *some* degree.. every human being has "attention seeking syndrome".. we all want it.. some of us just crave it more than others.. even people who say they don't like attention.. somewhere, want attention of SOME kind--like maybe they just hate crowds, but love one-on-one attention, for example.. something to ponder and chew on.. :) Simon said in reply to my "I'd rather cut off my right ear--it's useless anyway" comment: "don't forget that ears are there so we have something to help hold our glasses on and as a referrence point on our heads so we don't pull our hats down too far ;)" D'OH! good point, Simon! :) then he continued: "seriously though, what purpose do human ears serve? the external part doesn't seem to have any connection to hearing, and they don't seem to cover the openings to the ear canal (as do the ears on some animals)." I dunno.. but if you cup your ear to a source of sound, it picks up better than it does normally. heck, my hearing aid kinda gets in the way of that.. rofl.. Simon THEN said, replying to my blurb about making music videos: "that reminds me: I've experimented with "music videos" myself- although it's seeing how an existing song can be synched with unrelated film footage. Like the cool spaceflight montage I put together and synched with music from Kitaro." oooooh.. dude, I only have like 75% of all the videos I've done captured to the computer, but I oughta show 'em to ya sometime.. our favoriiiiite faaaaavorite Succubus Barbie Megan said: "Don't ask me how, but if Bill Cosby gets near me with his damn cookie cutters, I'm going for the jugular. I don't care how much I wiggle when he tries to eat me. ...Wait. That didn't sound too good." erm.... just WHAT were you referring to by "eat"? O_O rofl.. oh I'm evil.. Megan then mentioned Run Lola Run as one of her favorite movies.. I SAW THAT ONE in my video productions 101 class.. IT RULED!! Simon then replied to my question about the professionally done pics of planets such as Saturn, etc: "The professionally made pics from are from very large telescopes, and more recently, the pics of planets are from the robotic probe missions...." so uh.. how well COULD you see Saturn? did it look colored like the pro pics made it look? I swear, it's so weird, you look at the planets and you wonder if that's their real coloring.. and you also look at it and gawk at how pretty and smooth it looks and stuff and little do you know that (for example) Jupiter's Red Spot is a storm approximately the size of THREE planet Earths! and then you look at pics of Callypso and Ganymede.. and then gawk even harder when you realize that Callypso (or is it Callipso?) is more pockmarked than a teenager inflicted with acne having a bad day! geesh I love outer space! :) Simon then said, in reference to disabled people, etc.. cliques and the like: "Sort of a bizarre form of the cliques and "in" and "out" groups schoolkids form, with the hardcore enforcing of assinine social protocols and being really obnoxious and petty about image." this is probably precisely why I didn't fit in the hearing world nor did I fit in the deaf world. I'm caught right in the middle because I only have 3/4 hearing loss (one whole ear, one half ear.) instead of total or none. Simon then said, replying to having seen my webpage: "cool site btw! I can sympathize about having to work around limitations *hug*" you know that's one thing I notice--the DISABILITY varies, but the sympathizing one disabled person feels for another (note that I didn't say pity--this isn't pity.) is very similar.. so even if some of us feel sort of.. outsted (or whatever the proper word for it might be), in general, we're all very accepting of each other.. (as well as by an unafraid and openminded not-disabled group of people. :)) okay that's all from me for THIS post. muchos love! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: Really Deep Thoughts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: sex in speed racer city Hola mes amies! Currently I am listening to the Speedracer Porno Remix. It's hilarious. Seriously, download it, all you morally corrupt people out there! Also, I have just watched the entire first season of Sex And The City and it's fucking hilarious. I love it. Entirely. Completely. I rented the first 4 episodes of the second season though, and they were slightly less than par, but that's okay. They're still pretty good. No dancing babies yet. No shark jumping. Oh no. No sharks at all. Anyone here watch Sex And the City? Is it still worth watching? How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:47:46 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: it's battleship grey outside I'm back. :) Thanks to all who wished me well on my vacation, even though I wasn't here to see those comments. We had a really nice time. I feel all weird now - is this what being relaxed is like? - and I don't want to go back to work. Going to the grocery store today was a major ordeal; I haven't seen that many people in one place in more than a week. Rebecca wrote: > Gosh, I miss those times when you just have fun writing, and time flies > without the minutes punctuating the writer's block shrouding the word that > would be perfect here but it's just beyond the horizon of your memory. When > I was in junior high and high school, I could just let the flood gates open > and out would flow a story or a poem. That all changed in college for some > reason. I feel a need to do it, of course, but it seems like I'm always > agonizing over word choice or struggling against triteness of some sort. I > don't know if it was writing for the newspaper at school or the prospect of > doing it for the rest of my life as a job, in the most stylized way, but > something has definitely changed for me. I went through the exact same thing. I started writing creatively when I was about 13 years old, and kept with it all through high school. Then I took up journalism in my senior year. I did it full-time for three years in junior college, and then cut back when I went to University because there wasn't an undergrad program in journalism and I could only get a job as a copy editor. At that time I had another two solid years of writing, after which I started working regularly as a music critic and then as a community news reporter, and I've had trouble finding the words. I find that, for some reason, when I am writing full-time as my work the words do not always come so easily when i am trying to express something of my own emotions. That is not always true; I have, over the past two years, written several articles and essays on music that has sort of blurred the lines between prose and poetry. But the inspiration to do those -- or other works -- is random at best. I have turned to other media for my personal expression: painting, photographs, collage, sewing, making mix CDs, and other stuff. Do you have any other creative outlets? Sometimes I find that I do not have the words, and other media, especially the use of color, really helps me. I also think that when we are younger, those censors -- that tell us something isn't good enough or original enough -- are not yet in place. We don't know that the world expects breathtaking originality or it belongs in the dung-heap. Also, many of us come to the sense that if it's not going to get published (or we've gotten a number of rejection letters while trying) that our efforts might be better spent elsewhere. Then again, publishing is now free and plentiful on the 'net. It goes a variety of ways. > Also, I was wondering if anyonce could recommend a good book of Norse > mythology? I read this one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0486273482/qid=1028525501/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8 _1/104-0634601-0548733 ("Myths of the Norsemen: From the Eddas and Sagas" by Helene Guerber). I can't compare it to others since it is the only one I read, but it was enjoyable, and not too difficult. Beth -- "How do you 'consume' music, when (a) music isn't a thing and (b) it's still there after you've used it... Just because the industry markets it as a commodity doesn't mean we have to accept their terms of reference. It's time people stopped talking about 'consuming' art and culture and so on and started thinking of art as an activity." (Christopher Small) _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:36:19 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: you were laid on your back with the boy... hi guys brian "filled me in" with the info about arab straps - i thought it might be something along those lines but hey, i'm not afraid to ask. and i now feel like an important "hole" in my cultural knowledge has been "plugged". have a good trip to north america. your mentioning of the many other brian coopers you've come across (get your minds out the gutter, people) reminded me of the dave gorman show on uk tv. this was where a stand-up comedian called - you guessed it - dave gorman createrd a whole series out of a quest to locate other dave gormans around the world. it was a better show than you might imagine... of course, "matt smith" is a common-as-muck name. i even found something on the web the other day called "the matt smith insulting machine" which made me chuckle for second or two - it generates insults depending on parameters you set beforehand. juvenile but fun. and e responded to my musings about "minority report". i'm still wondering about that one, but your comments will no doubt help me as i ponder; thanks e. that'll be all for now matt ps cyndi, when i have more time, i will respond to your questions about belly, unless e or anyone else wants to do it first. ---------- "Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne conna�t point." Blaise Pascal, "Pens�es" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:14:33 -0500 From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I'm not going to carousel this year either! Over the weekend my computer crashed, and while the computer itself is fine, I ended up having to to run the restore disk because WinBlows was what actually had crashed. Doing the restore is a real pain in the ass. First I had to get out the restore CD, and then I had to get out my copy of the Nemonomicron Ex Mortis and look up the right incantations and registration number, and after that I had to draw an inverted pentagram on the floor and chant "I summon thee" several time to contact tech support. Anyway, I did lose some files but getting back online and restoring my Trillian setup for IM was relatively easy, so I haven't fallen way behind. John b wrote: > Subject: no buddy christ and Gates would be no buddy antichrist. hey megan: when you're looking for your roomate, call out her name sounding really out of it ;) later! Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:31:03 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: help me rhonda, help me get this song out of my head bum bum bum bum bum bum bum... anyway... >http://www.jaguaro.org/feature/03-09-02_wesk.shtml >Entry 54. May they burn in hell. *smoke starts pouring from nostrils* WHAT?! how dare they insult my 2nd favorite tori album like that! *scales form on arms, nails grow an inch* they can kiss my squishy white ass! *grows a tail* and... whoah, i have a tail? cool! well, you get the point of how annoyed that makes me. now i better ex-dragon-morph before i incinerate my computer and have to type this all over again. victoria said: >I had a bizarre dream last night that Neil Gaiman and Cameron Crowe were >making a movie of my life starring Angelina Jolie, using Tori's lyrics >as dialogue. Yes, I am insane. wowwww... that would make an awesome movie... >Speaking of musicals, for something completely different try Hedwig and >the Angry Inch. Hilarious, catchy, and there's rarely anything yummier >than androgyny. yeah, my favorite movie! yesterday i listened to the soundtrack 3 times, and i made several people watch it, and my friends are getting really tired of me blabbering on and on about it and singing the songs over and over and so forth... great movie! the ending was confusing, but it's still great! hedwig is my bitch! there, now i'm only 4 digests behind! of course, by the time i'm all caught up again, i'll be off to vermont for a week, and then i'll have a dozen MORE digests to go through when i get back... but after vermont, no more vacations. i'm staying in PA. and i go back to college on the 25th (2 days earlier than i'm supposed to because my dad will be away on the 27th) and get to spend a few days relaxing, meeting the new freshmen, and playing computer games. woohoo! -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** I Am The Captain Of The Gravity, Maxwell digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? 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