RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1694

RDT Right Now #1694

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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:31:21 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1694
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1694 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Re: An RDTRNer birthday! (Tuesday, 8 [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] Re: whaddafuck?! [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] birthday! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Something of interest [ Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterroris ] slowly but surely your senses will c [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ] your mouth was so dirty [ "Victoria McCabe" <victoria@muruch. ] Fwd: The Tori Amos Team Is Back! [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] not a girl, not yet a women *heehee* [ Rebecca <browngregory@mac.com> ] one banana, two banana, three banana [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] watch out for that tree!! [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] Fwd: Breaking Tori News! [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] all play and no sleep make Cyndi a t [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Re: Midwest Torifest Press Release [ TheAmazingStepho@aol.com ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On August 14th in 1992, tour dates so far, and the differenes between the original MAAG/SATY single and the re-release. In 1994, returning to the thread about YKTR being offered by a list member for $300. Also, a member quotes Tori from her Austin concert: When she came out for the second encore she said "This is the first time I've done this song, so be nice." Someone in the audience said something I didn't catch, and she replied "I love you, too." And a few seconds later she added rather intensely, "I love you better than this fuckhead I hate right now." The same member then wrote (re an interview Tori did on lcoal radio): The REALLY significant question was brought up about her plans to have a baby soon... I don't have the tape here, so I can't tell you the exact words, but she said that it wasn't going to happen anymore, that things have changed. She said she now plans on working on her next album, instead. I can't help but assume she and Eric are having problems. I guess that's obvious if you think about all the different comments she's been making lately and the songs she's been covering. In 1996, replies to what Eric Rosse is doing post-Tori, counting down to the end of the world (earlier reported as the 14th of August). In 1999, continuing to discuss the current nastiness in the air. In 2000, continuing to discuss the current nastiness in the air, and human cloning. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On August 15th in 1992, a member posts that a Tori long-form video (the LE video) is not cancelled, just delayed on Tori's part (yes, this is the eventual LE video). In 1993, Kate Bush songs (eg: Hello Earth, Waking the Witch), Bjork's history, and members likes and dislikes between the different versions of Crucify. In 1994, a member posts about whether the list should speculate about trouble in the relationshiop between Tori and Eric, more concert reviews, and responses to "Who's Mary Magdalene?" In 1998, more on the 15-year-olds/stereotyping fans thread, responses to a "quit dreaming" type message when a member had previously posted about her joy at being recognised by Tori at a M&G. In 1999, more comments about Bliss (and Tori's performance of it on Letterman), responses to a members question "does being mature mean totally sacrificing all of the fun and goofiness in life?", and more on Tori and Disney. In 2000, an update on the Neighbourhood Chair, and garden gnomes as phallic symbols. In 2001, human cloning, and members start posting responses to Tori's tour dates for the StrangeLittleTour. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On August 16th in 1993, members were posting about Tori's radio appearances (the upcoming Westwood One performance and a repeat of an earlier concert). In 1995, the list resumes opperation with a couple of backed-up messages, though though the resumption of activity seemed to spark a resumption in bounced digests. In messages that made it through, members picked up old threads like abortion, being pro-life and pro-death penalty, and suicide. In 1996, create your own Barbie, Pet, gymnasts and health issues, Kate Bush, and interpretating Talula as being about abortion. In 1998, the '15-year-old fans' thread. [It's starting to feel like this thread has practically lasted longer than the list itself.] In 2001, members post opinions on the SLG tracks, comments on the tour dates, and human cloning. To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:47:16 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: An RDTRNer birthday! (Tuesday, 8/13) 8/13/02 10:46 pm How do you advertise your birth date? What are everyone's birth dates on here? Julie H. E-mail: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:04:49 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: whaddafuck?! 8/13/02 11:03 pm Well, of course a man that I would want would have to be fuckin' sexy! Really attractive - good looking. Sexual, effectionate, etc. I'm into that too. I was just saying what makes a real nice all around good man. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:07:31 GMT From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Cc: Subject: birthday! happy birthday Rosewynd! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Something of interest Hola mes amies, I found this online and thought it was interesting. Now I want to go to Afghanistan and give people televisions. Is that so wrong? For Afghans, quiz show answers a lot of needs Television: Banned by the Taliban, a popular program blending comedy, social commentary and education returns, offering hope amid misery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Todd Richissin Sun Foreign Staff Originally published August 13, 2002 KABUL, Afghanistan - Cue music. (Man with accordion assaults the ears.) Lights! (They flicker a bit, but the studio brightens.) Cameras! (The picture seems slightly unfocused, but it will do.) And ... finally: Live, from Afghanistan! It's Saturday night! (So what if it's only live in a sort-of kind-of way.) More than 700 people applaud wildly. Those who can whistle do. For after more than six years in the dark, Afghanistan's longest-running, even if limping, variety and quiz show is back on the airwaves, drawing standing-room-only crowds to the theater where it is taped and attracting people to the country's few remaining televisions like moths to light bulbs. In a country with so much misery behind it and mountains of problems ahead, the show, Zehni Azmoyena (in Pashtu), Azmonga Zehni (in Dari) or Test Your Brain (your chance to play along here), has reclaimed its slot as the program that people just have to talk about the next day. To find a television at 9 o'clock on a Saturday night in Afghanistan is to find a laughing crowd. The show is part David Letterman, part Academic Challenge, part Monty Python and the show of shows as far as people in Afghanistan are concerned. It began in 1979, survived the Soviet invasion and the subsequent civil war before going off the airwaves in 1996, when the Taliban took control. It returned to the airways last winter, and the audience, as best as anyone can tell, keeps growing. "People like us because they can laugh and learn at the same time," says the show's director, Mohammad Usman Azimi. "We are very proud of what we do here, even if we have some problems." Oh, the show has some problems. The lights give out now and again, the microphones are the size of garbage can lids and about as high-tech, the cameras hardly provide a lifelike image and 20-year-old editing machines make the presentation anything but seamless. (The show, taped live, goes on for four hours before being edited down to 70 minutes.) Nobody knows how many people watch the show, by far the most popular of 18 being produced by the government-run television station. But in Kabul, at least, which most nights has electricity, the people love testing their brains with a laugh; and if they don't own a television, they will pile into a neighbor's house or even stand in front of a tube pulled onto the sidewalk. Zehni is broadcast with frequent shots of audience reaction, and it is difficult to spot a person who can contain his laughter any better than the people howling on the streets. On Saturday night, two contestants played a game often featured on the show. They were asked simple yes-or-no questions by the hostess - "Is your name Omar? Do you live in Kabul?" - and they were to say one answer while providing its opposite visually. That is, they were to answer "yes" while shaking their head side-to-side to indicate "no." Or they were to answer "no" while nodding their head in the affirmative. By the third question, the heads turn in a circular motion. Milton Berle never made America laugh so hard. (As a sign of the show's popularity, the bit about shaking the head "no" while saying "yes" has been a running joke, continuing during the years the Taliban pulled the plug on the program.) "People come up to me on the street and ask me about the show and thank me for bringing laughter," says hostess Rida Azimy. "I see it makes them happy, and that makes me happy." Zehni goes beyond laughs, though, to offer lighthearted social commentary and serious education wrapped in comedy. On a recent show, the announcer apologized for starting late but explained that he was stuck in Kabul's traffic. "It was a message to the government that this traffic is crazy," the director says. "They watch, too." Between questions and puzzles, comedy skits are performed by an ensemble that slips in a helpful message here and there. In one skit, a man performs a traditional Pashtun dance because he is, finally, about to be married. But in a message to noisy neighbors everywhere, he's quickly reminded that he should not dance on the third floor of an apartment building because it will disturb those below. Still, the quizzes are the heart of the show. "In what month did al-Qaida destroy the Buddha?" goes one question. "If a man flies to Japan and it takes 90 minutes to get there, why does it take a 1 1/2 hours to return?" goes another. In one segment, in English to encourage education, two teams are told: "A man walks out into the rain for a half-hour with no hat and no umbrella. He doesn't get a single hair on his head wet. How can this be?" Answer: The man is bald. Before the Taliban, enough businesses supported the program that contestants could win television sets, motorcycles and refrigerators. Now, as Afghanistan struggles, the prizes are more modest. A woman won chewing gum on Saturday's program. A man won some Pepsi. "Maybe the prizes will get better again," director Azimi says, "but I don't think they care. The prizes are not the point." Still, the tradition of the show includes awarding a grand prize at its end. A child is called to the stage to pick a number. Every audience member has one, which corresponds to his seat. "D-12!" the announcer shouts Saturday. A young man, maybe 17, bounces on stage looking like he has just won all the stars in the sky. Today's grand prize: three cartons of milk and a box of blank CDs. That, in Afghanistan, is show biz. How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:31:57 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: slowly but surely your senses will cease to exist hi guys this caught my attention in one of the posts about rainn events: "RAINN was also named one of "America's 100 Best Charities" by Worth Magazine." now how the heck do you judge good and bad charities? yours in brevity, matt ---------- "Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaÓt point." Blaise Pascal, "PensÈes" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:44:15 -0700 (MST) From: "Victoria McCabe" <victoria@muruch.net> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: your mouth was so dirty I finally got John Mayer's first cd, Inside Wants Out and while I'd heard every song on it, I still love it. Yes I am a Mayer fan. I started loving him long before he became such a media whore. Now I cringe at how mainstream he's become. But I love him just the same. Excellent in concert. I also got Tegan and Sara's cd, The Business of Art, and it is truly a great album. A little more pop than Melissa Ferrick or Ani, but I think you'd like them anyway. I finished The Eyre Affair by Jasper Fforde and I can't recommend it enough to those that have always dreamt of walking into a book world or if you just like quirky sci-fi stories. Looks like Fiona Apple is working on a new album. Possibly to be released by the end of this year. It's about time. So...after many a trauma and years of rollercoaster depression and suicidal tendencies (loooong story), I've finally admitted that I may need medication to get out of this darkness. Why do I post here about it? I don't know. I don't know any of you well at all. Yet though you didn't know it, you've been here since this whole thing started. And most of you have a deeper understanding of emotional issues than most. I was just wondering if anyone had info or recommendations on anti- depressants. I'm a bit embarrassed to talk to my closer online friends about it and part of the long story is that my family and offline friends no longer speak to me...but I want to be careful about this. I'm trying to find a good doctor who will be rational and not just stick me on just any drug. I want something mild...I realize my emotional problems and the causes. I tried therapy and was told I have no trouble with self-analysis. But I need a little boost I think to get out of this constant downward spiral. It's gone on too long, too deep. Any little thing pushes me into panic and wanting to die. And I don't want to die...it's just become such an unconscious habit that I can't seem to break just by thinking about it. I'm in an almost constant state of misery even when I want to be happy, when I should be happy. And even though I know why and I know how, I can't seem to find the solution on my own. It's affecting my work and my marriage and has been for years, so it's time to swallow my pride and seek help. And I really needed to get that out, thank you. If anyone is interested in the why, email me. It's a long bizarre tale and I don't think it belongs here. Maybe. On to cheerier subjects.... Simon: >And no one believes in at least having the decency to send an official rejection letter, I just never hear from most of the places I've applied to. Same here. What I hate most is calling back time after time trying to get an answer and being put off. Why can't people just say no to begin with instead prolonging the torment. >anyone know of an effective and safe way to >clean the data side of a disc? CD wipes? I've never tried them, but they sell them at most music stores. >if these companies can afford to send them en masse through the mail, then there's no way the music industry can justify the huge markup on music CD's. Yep. And the fact that AOHell is the most popular internet server in this country, despite free internet providers and more reasonably priced services, would compare with the claim that mp3s hurt cd sales. Btw, those who shut down Napster and Audiogalaxy are going again. This time after Morpheus and Kazaa. Only they don't want to just shut them down, they want to prosecute those of us that use them. Petitioning the Justice Department. As if mp3 users were the worst criminals in this country. Bleh. <avoids the far too painful and volatile issue of religion> Dancing Girl: >I have to say that BFP is my favorite album. It's strange to me now how long it took for me to warm up to that album. I loved some of the songs from the beginning, but the album as a whole didn't latch onto my insides until a couple of years ago. I put it on one day and suddenly it was like now I get it! And now I do. I love it. I think I listen to FTCGH more often than the other albums now, but I can't really pick a favourite because I love them all in different ways. I usually say LE just because it was the first and made the biggest impact. I think until there is a Tori box set with all the albums and B- Sides and live performances and covers, I can't say I have a true favourite. :) >Labryinth (David Bowie is so HOT in this one!)< I think Bowie's hotness is underrated. Have you seen The Hunger? Bowie as a vamp. I really need to get that. Linda: >Victoria mentioned Beth Orton< I did indeed. And saw her live this past Friday. I think my beloved folf faerie would do better in a proper concert or a more intimate, acoustic setting. A smoke filled, standing audience in a bar is not a good venue for her. Her voice was too soft and we couldn't hear it above the noisy crowd and the band. Still, she's very cute and funny. 'Want to hear a joke? Ok. The chicken and the egg have just made love. And the chicken is kickin' back with a cigarette. Ya know? So the egg turns to the chicken and says: "Well. I guess that answers that age old question."' - Beth Orton >I first found out about her on Napster when I typed in "Tori Amos" (just to see what I could find) and a Beth Orton song came >up. "Devil Song". ha! I remember that. I thought it was cool that Tori covered the song. Until I listened and realized it was the original Beth version. I bought Beth's Central Reservation cd shortly after it was released, having never heard her before. One of my few chance buyings that worked out well. Based solely on the recommendation of a trusted online friend. Central Reservation was one of those albums that just grabbed me instantly. I loved it immediately and never stopped. I got her first album, Trailer Park, later. It's a great album, too, but doesn't mesmerize me the way Central does. I've not warmed up to the new album, Daybreaker, yet. Maybe it's a grower. >What's next, playing Tori videos?!? Nah, MTV only plays Tori videos once and then the video storage elves steal them away. I think the answer to the 'real man' question is as varied as asking what makes a 'real woman'. I think for anyone to be 'real' they simply have to have a balance of certain qualities. All humans are imperfect. Realizing these imperfections, giving into them, and fighting to resist them again is all part of the cycle. I think people that aren't real are those that never look inside themselves, never question themselves. I think my husband is a real man. He's understanding and supportive and cooks great spaghetti. He gave up quite a lot to make a life with me. He's gone through hell to be with me. Yet he's still a guy. He doesn't get women, he hogs the remote, he's often like a bull in a china shop. But he's just the way I want him. Though sometimes I refuse to admit it. You gotta take the sweet with the sour. e.: > God save the world, cause Bush obviously won't. I do wish someone would stop that family from breeding so many idiot politicians. John: > I loved the idea of the film, and both Posey and Bujold are fabulous, but the whole thing still seems like a play rather than a movie, and the actors > aren't as strong as the actresses. I agree. I hate Freddie Prinze, Jr. Just as a rule. The other actor was a bit too cardboard-like for the part. I think with better actors, and perhaps more of a focus on Parker's character rather than Booby Spelling, it would have been an excellent film. It would make a great play. >That thing is one unbelievable piece of ear-fuck. I love that line! Bethey: > so much can be found in the lyrics, and the album put together is going >to blow my mind, I'm sure of it. I only found the lyrics a few days ago and had a similar reaction. It's hard to discern some (or most) of the lyrics from the mp3s. They all sound a bit muffled. But reading the words just brought it all together. This just may be the Tori album I've been waiting for since Choirgirl. I love how instead of trying to go the global route that so many musicians have in trying to state their feelings of 9/11 and the time after, Tori puts it forth on a personal level and mixes it with everyday details. These songs aren't the kind that can only be felt and understood in relation to the attacks, they are so much more than that. Enjoy your vacation! And sorry again about the name confusion. :) Victoria 'so i let crazy take a spin then i let crazy settle in' http://muruch.net -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:50:46 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Fwd: The Tori Amos Team Is Back! the first online street team newsletter was posted yesterday evening: From: "Tori Amos Team" <toriamosteam@mail.fanscape.com> Subject: The Tori Amos Team Is Back! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:43:23 -0700 August 13, 2002 Hello Fellow Tori Amos Fans, We have a special treat for you. If you haven't already heard, Tori has finished her new album, Scarlet's Walk, which will be released at the end of October. With the upcoming release of Scarlet's Walk, Tori is calling on you, her most dedicated fans, to once again spread the good word via the Internet. In return, continuing as part of the team will enable you to hear her music before anyone else has the opportunity. Our former team leader, Alex, has passed the honorable responsibility to me after being a dedicated fan to Tori and active team member since the get go. I am looking forward to working with you all. Be on the lookout for a team email with your first new mission coming your way next week. Until then, Sara Tori Amos Online Team Leader if you want to be part of the street team, the signup form is at http://www2.fanscape.com/toriamos/signup.asp woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:10:29 -0500 From: Rebecca <browngregory@mac.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: not a girl, not yet a women *heehee* Well, everyone, I've made it back from the in-laws and my toothache has at last subsided and I've learned that I now have a part-time job which means I'll soon have a little money. So things are looking somewhat better. If only I could find that single all-important *real* job with benefits and paid vacation and all the glories of being a fully actualized adult. Oh dear. So there's been a lots of talk of late about what makes a "real man". It's interesting to me that I rarely hear my girlfriends ponder what it takes to be a real woman. I don't know . . . maybe we are silently having that discussion when we try to outdo each other with cute outfits or try to maintain careers and motherhood and all of that. But then again, most of my friends are embarrassed about the girlie things they do, trying to downplay them in public, but then rabidly conversing about lipstick shades in private (not that that makes us real women, but it's interesting). I, for one, can say that I never think about whether or not I'm a real woman or not. Maybe the question for men arises out of the fact that they have a more rigid mold to fit? I mean maybe I'm off track here, but women's roles have been changing a lot in the last century. So what is a real woman? She can be a lot of things these days--she can fill the traditional roles that men have held in the past or stay at home with her kids or blaze an entirely new trail. But I think a lot of people still have the perception of men as being the rigid breadwinner and rulemaker of the household, reserved in his emotions and always logical. So, I guess it's harder for a guy who doesn't measure up well against this definition to determine if he is a "real man." I see this perception of men changing, but only just now at the tail end of the women's movement. So, I don't know, what do you guys think makes a real woman? Is it different than what it takes to be a real man? Because unless your definition entails the possession of a penis, then I think the qualifications are the same. I've seen mentioned here things like integrity, a willingness to do what has to be done, an acceptance of the cards life has dealt you . . . and I agree with those, but I think that's what it takes to be a mature, fully-actualized person, whether you're a man or woman. I think the only difference is that becoming a man is so much more of a rite of passage than becoming a woman has been in the past. Well, that's my 32 cents anyway. > I'm going to be starting college in 11 days. Mother of God, help. > Nervousness nervousness nervousness. I must make new friends, and quickly! > I don't know anyone there.... :-( What college will you be going to? I also took a leap and went to a school where no one from my high school was going. It was probably the best decision I've ever made, even if the school itself might not have been the best choice. In high school, you're kind of tied to the people who have known you since grade school and their perceptions of who you are. Now you're going to meet people on your own terms who don't know about that awful perm you had in junior high. Oops. Ignore that last statement. It was purely hypothetical. I *never* had a bad perm. Anyway, my point is, the first week will be hellacious, but you will stick it out, and I know you will be glad you did. G'nite, Rebecca -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:40:15 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: one banana, two banana, three banana, four... I belive I failed :) I blame it on the rural tv stations I watched when growing up, airing shows well after they were made. But that doesn't explain the video and tshirt... X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebs.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:54:54 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: watch out for that tree!! Beth asked about my stick figure comics: > Where can we see some of your creations? :) Watch this space for further announcements. > Do you ever make ones about RDT? Nope. Too many characters. It would be like one of those "Crisis on Infinite Email Lists" books, where they have to strain to get all the different super-heroes into each panel. With stick figures, it's best to keep the cast small, or you have to start giving them funny hats so people can tell them apart. > *** (Today's Age Test) Fleegle, Bingo, Drooper, And Snork digest *** I'm old enough to remember the names, but too old to remember who they were. They were Saturday morning characters, live action, I believe, not animated. My area of expertise (more or less) is somewhat earlier. Rocky & Bullwinkle. Mr. Peabody and his pet boy, Sherman. Cecil the Seasick Sea Serpent. George of the Jungle. Henry Cabot Henhouse III (known to a select few as "Super-Chicken!") and his assistant Fred (known to a select few as "Poopsie"). And, of course, Space Angel, which was filmed with Synchro-Vox, which meant cartoon character with real people's lips superimposed, so it would look like they were talking. It was about as weird as you might think. It was a cool-looking show, though, and I later found out that it was because the basic designs were done by Alex Toth, a great comic book artist of the 1950s. And it's where Scott McCloud, the wonderful creator of Zot! and Understanding Comics got his name. Plus, of course, Thunderbirds and Captain Scarlet, filmed in Super-Marionation (whoo hoo). I used to love those shows. All of the above will probably be remade as major motion pictures in the next few years. *That* kind of thing I can remember. Where did I park the car? Who knows. As B/4 (as far as I can remember), John -------------------- "in this land, right now, some are insane, and they're in charge." -- the gang of four -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:48:09 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, eurotour@torithoughts.org, othertour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Fwd: Breaking Tori News! the latest from toriamos.com: From: "Tori Amos Team" <toriamosteam@mail.fanscape.com> Subject: Breaking Tori News! Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:07:08 -0700 | www.toriamos.com | | A Fanscape Streetteam | | 8.14.02 | Fellow Tori Fans ~ | Exclusive Team News | You are the first to get word! This Friday AOL First Listen will feature the exclusive premiere of Tori's new song,"a sorta fairytale," for three days. You've heard about it on the web, now actually hear "a sorta fairytale!" Look for it from AOL Keyword: First Listen and on the Web at Netscape, AIM Today, ICQ and CompuServe. Tell all of your online friends and family about this amazing opportunity to hear Tori's unreleased song. Enjoy. Sara Tori Amos Online Team Leader woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:01:55 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: all play and no sleep make Cyndi a tired person. I feel exhausted for some reason, and I've HAD about six, seven hours of sleep, but I feel like I've had.. three.. o_O anyway.. I reinstalled my Juno after completely uninstalling it (something I shoulda done the first time) and now it works. YAY! :) and now on with the replies! :) e asked us ladies: "Dunno, maybe that's the women I know, but I sincerely ask you women in this list, do you need that raw quality, in any way, in men?" well, I don't need a man to be a jerk, no.. but I've actually written stories where the man is rather forceful at times.. (geesh, having a hard time explaining this.. must be tired or something.. lol) um.. like maybe in terms of making sure his woman isn't going to get hurt, or something like that.. making sure he gets what he or she wants--depends on the situation. *shrug* Lavs said: "Still have cold, painting started and the pansies are coming out." the pansies coming out is a LOT more of a prettier sight than the panties coming off.. XD but then that's just me. I don't party that way. lol Beth replied to my question about what makes a real man as well: "I think at this point the #1 thing for me is integrity (some who I know would call this 'honour'). To me it means a number of things, including being honest with himself, being honest with others, being chivalrous/treating others how he'd want to be treated, and striving to be a respectable person. It also means keeping his word and not making promises he can't keep, and being kind-hearted most of the time (and hard-hearted when necessary) and comfortable with himself, flaws and all. Other things that are important to me include intellect and a quick wit, and usually a willingness to work hard to achieve his goals and dreams. I guess it's kind of a tall order but that answers the question, I think." basically an imperfect man that still tries to be perfect? :) I like your answer, Beth, I really do. :) MY kind of a real man is one who tries to be good to all people, but isn't afraid to fight (I mean like brawl) when he REALLY can't escape it and has to in order to get away.. and doesn't take any anger out on an innocent person--and ESPECIALLY doesn't smack somebody around just cuz he's pissed off.. (beating on the wall is one thing--beating on ME is another.) and.. also.. my kinda man better be unafraid of crying. I don't mean "cry every day!", I mean, don't hold it back if you're seriously about to break down. I hate the "macho man" attitude of "oh if I cry, I'm a sissy!" cuz in my opinion, REAL MEN CRY! lol.. hee hee hee! Chris said in reply to the same question I asked: "I guess my definition is a man who does what needs to be done and is happy to do it. A man should do things that are caring, understanding and he should be confident and somewhat open minded. But a man could be all of those things and still not take care of business *OR* he might take care of business and not be any of those things (Hence my "and is happy to do it")" I like your answer too. :) I like open-minded men.. not just a little open-minded, or too open-minded.. but open-minded enough to at least consider things that other people don't (or won't). Winterlion wrote to us after a mysterious semi-disappearance.. good to see that you're okay! :) our very favorite Succubus Barbie asked: "How are we all today? Getting down with our funky selves?" *boogies across the ceiling* yeehaw! you bet your life I am! :D of course, I certainly don't think Tori had ME in mind when she sang about the redheaded dancing girl cuz I'm not a redhead.. ;) Then she said: "My cat is way too thin. It's very very disturbing. Especially after playing with my grandma's extremely fat cats in Indiana. Coco's soooo small! :-( She's probably going to be put to sleep soon." well, crappysticks, Megan.. *hug* *sends good thoughts your way* that really sucks.. but are you sure that some of it isn't due to having been around the fat cats for so long (however long that was)? I mean seriously, I'd be gone in Oklahoma visiting MY grandmother for a month, and after spending so much time with my aunt's TINY little YIPPY dog (I don't much like lap dogs.. they're dogs, and all dogs are good, but I highly prefer medium-to-large dogs.), I'd come home and my dogs would, especially by comparison, seem SO much bigger to me.. Megan then said: "Cancer is stupid. I don't like it at all." so is a deteriorated disc in your pet's spine--that's what prompted the vets (that and the fact that Terri--she the oldest dog of ours in the family--was like.. 9 years old already..) to put her to sleep instead of giving her surgery, etc. anyway, I can relate to how you feel, Megan. I was, to say the least, distraught when my dog was put to sleep. then, on a more of a lighter note.. Megan said: "I want to go down to New Orleans, dammit! I miss the south terribly. Sadness." come to Georgia! :D and THEN Megan fretted of college: "I'm going to be starting college in 11 days. Mother of God, help. Nervousness nervousness nervousness. I must make new friends, and quickly! I don't know anyone there.... :-(" pfft.. you'll be fine, I'm sure.. and at least you'll still have us! :) trust me.. I think you'll be okay. :) and on that note, CYA!! :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:55:40 -0400 From: TheAmazingStepho@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Midwest Torifest Press Release >at Oakton Park in Skokie, IL Please note... the location has CHANGED! Oakton park is having a carnival that weekend and it wasn't in their computer system, so our picnic site got messed up. This year's Midwest Torifest will take place at DEVONSHIRE PARK in Skokie, IL. If you're coming from I-90 exit on I-94 and follow it to the Dempster Street exit going East. Take Dempster Street to Kostner and take a left. You'll run right into Devonshire park. There is a swimming pool there, as well as an athletic center, tennis court, and basketball court. hope to see you there! <3 Stepho :o) o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Time Flies Like The Wind, Regular Flies Like Garbage digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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