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Date:
Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:52:28 -0700
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1697
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1697
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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Re: RDT Right Now #1695 [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ]
on the bus ride that meanders up the [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ]
whawhawhawhawhatup?! [ "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefoos ]
every finger in the room is pointing [ "Victoria McCabe" <victoria@muruch. ]
RE: can't think of... [ "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com> ]
tinkerbell [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
more lovahly replies from the ade gi [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
more radio tori [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ]
[ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ]
On August 20th in 1993, members discuss the differences between
taffy, toffee, candy and caramel apples, and one member
provides the definition of 'haver'.
In 1996, members are still discussing athletes and eating
disorders.
In 1998, comments from more members about about the JS video.
In 2000, advice on long distance relationships.
In 2001, teachers, and animals and drugs are the topics of the
day.
[ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ]
On August 21st in 1992, a member reports on Tori's appearance
on a German show 'Der grosse Preis' the previous night
(performing Crucify to a backing tape), while members discuss
the creation of fan club/fanzine for Tori (the Caldwells had
already been working on one [Really Deep Thoughts] for a few
weeks, and a list member posts that a friend of his mum's is
working on getting one together).
In 1998, an answer from a Q mag interview about who the
Northern Lad is, an explanation for the 'china white, brown may
be sweeter, she will supply' bits in PW, more thoughts on the
JS video, and 6 degrees of Tori.
In 2000, news from admin on changes to the digest (sent
approximately 24hrs after first post arrives) and archives
(rebuilding of the RDT/RDTRN archives to be hosted on the
torithoughts.org website), politics and the music industry, and
feminism.
In 2001, human cloning, and high school experiences.
To read more about these items, visit the list archives.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:24:53 -0500
From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1695
hello again :)
check out the links in Cyndi's sig. they're pretty cool :)
deadra wrote about depression and meds:
> You could also try going to GNC, they
> have some natural stuff that could do the trick. I used to take them but
I
> don't remember what they were called.
I've been wondering if that's a possible alternative to the zoloft and
neurontin I've been taking the past 3 years or so. I hear about people
eventually no longer needing the meds but I'm not sure how to figure out if
I've reached a similar point, and knowing how bad things were *before* the
meds I don't want to cut back and risk going through *that* again. Not
planning to go back to the countdown aboard the Nostromo, nor am I planning
a flight to Za'hadum. Ever.
welcome back megan sackett (formerly DeZee). the ex you were talking
about- he's not the guy you were dating earlier this year is it? if so,
sorry about the breakup.
and welcome back Erika :)
cyndi wrote:
> Megan the Succubus Barbie said: "Now I want to go to Afghanistan and give
> people televisions. Is that so wrong?"
> give 'em books and blue pepsi too, and I'll be satisfied.
no, pepsi violates arms control treaties because it's a known biological
weapon. send them Coke instead!
brad wrote:
> Subject: I Am a Real Man
You say that like it's something to be proud of.
later!
Simon
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:38:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: on the bus ride that meanders up these valleys of green and grey
hi guys
thanks to those of you who gave me some clarification on the good/bad
charities
thing. i had this scenario in my head of a bunch of magazine editors sitting
round a table making judgements about the relative worth of different causes,
which i found pretty unpleasant.
the second series of "the west wing" finished on uk tv last night. has there
ever been a better programme in the history of television? martin sheen was
just phenomenal last night.
and "24" just finished too - talk about edge-of-your-seat.
well that'll be all from me for now. i have a bibliography to invent - oops i
mean "compile".
snoochy boochies
matt
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:52:27 -0500
From: "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefooska@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: whawhawhawhawhatup?!
hello
i'm here at the office, got here a bit early because I had to take my sister
to school since my mom won't be able to do it for a couple of weeks as she
had to have a vein removed from her leg so she shouldn't be walking much and
can't drive.
anyway
this is sort of an attempt to reply a bit. I have disappeared and probably
will again.
was sorta depressed I guess. (am?) I hadn't been able to get out of bed I
have been arriving here late every day and only come because if I don't I
get no money and thus no opportunity to give me my luxuries (going to the
movies or maybe buying a cd) and then I get really pissed because my life
becomes only this and then home... blah! I know, I'm so petty... but that
and the impossibility to get over the fucking flu that becomes my shadow
every summer is almost more than I can bear.
anyway
Victoria
I describe how I feel exactly like you did: "rollercoaster" and it is very
maddening... I have got to a point where I am about as sure that there will
be a period of grief after a period of joy (or viceversa) as I am sure that
there will be day after night.
I have pretty much nothing to say
but please keep us informed of how things work out for you
if you want to e-mail me, (though lately I don't think I'm much of a good
conversation but I will be very glad to see you get out of that rut)
dear cyndi, how're you doing? I hope this doesn't sound offensive but I
laughed a bit when I read what you wrote, it's just that all the women in my
family go berserk when suffering from PMS, my mom has threatened to leave us
or can easily cry about us not wanting to eat something or crazy stuff like
that. so... anyway, it's also that the idea of feeling guilty about not
being a Michael Jackson fan sounded a little bit funny... I sort of know how
you feel because I have a FANATIC streak in me which is just maddening it
can be as mind numbing as falling in love or... you know? but really, once
you get a distance from your obsession you can ask yourself: why should you
care about him personally? I mean, what the artist really gives us is the
art and in MJ's case his music hasn't been so good lately, THAT might be a
good reason to be sad... but... I don't know.
besides the idea of HIM calling Tommy Mottola racist was just too bizarre, I
mean, I don't really know much about Mottola besides knowing that he used to
be married to Mariah and helped her become a star probably (though her
talent, at least when she started, was brilliant beyond doubt); now he's
married to ThalÌa (her talent is worth much doubt) and he's the president of
Sony music I think... he's probably a bit of a pig, but Michael Jackson
can't call anyone a racist, I mean forgive me if you do, but I don't buy his
skin disease story... who else has gone from black to white in the world?!?
and the skin disease didn't give him a nose so small it's barely even there
at all now, did it? and he got rid of his afro hair too, and his lips and I
don't know what else he's done to himself, to see a recent photograph of him
is a scary and sorry sight to me... I feel really sad because denying your
body and trying to get rid of it like that makes me feel like he hated
himself, or hates himself... it's sad. I've written too much about this and
probably not what you wanted to read... and I am too tired to edit... so...
umm... well I can tell you I used to be a big Cardigans fan when they
started then I was sort of an Alanis Morissette fan too but when their music
stopped doing it for me I just let it cool down a bit... I became a
StarWarsnerd kind of fan with the movie the Matrix too! I watched it 12
times at theaters I knew ALL OF IT by heart... and now I don't feel like
watching it anymore (though the poster of the sequels for 2003 gives me
goosebumps)... I don't know, maybe the thing that made you sad was that your
friends are still hard core fans and you don't really care that much about
yourself not being a fan but about yourself not being PART OF IT.
that I can relate to even more, but DONT WORRY I wont write more.
about other friends coming up to you with those lost puppy FIX MY PROBLEMS
eyes, I know what you mean... I have become the grinch lately... I don't
know how I still have friends...
but sometimes diving into someone else's problems is the best way to escape
your own for a while (which might be sometimes one of the reasons for some
of us to come here) don't you think?
it's a little too confusing and yeah I really do think (ducks)
even if I never love new music from Tori again, the body of work she has
already created is rich enough for a lifetime of enjoyment and really deep
thought provoking hidden twists and turns and sounds and harmonic subtleties
and breathing emotions and magic.
I like not being as fanatical now
I still think she is an extraordinarily beautiful and intelligent and
sensible woman...
I still smile or feel moved by most of what I can get a glimpse that comes
out of her...
she's a thinker... an alchemist, a fighter... the kooky mask is perfect for
her to be able to really say what she thinks about SO many things without
sounding like a soap-box boring oap or offending the easily offended...
Huge admiration is nice to have
it's still like love
but less maddening
less like a crush like beingsoinloveyoucoulddie...
anyway
I'd better shut up
back to my boring boring boring boring boring life
yay
cheefooska juan
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:40:36 -0700 (MST)
From: "Victoria McCabe" <victoria@muruch.net>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: every finger in the room is pointing at me
That Bilbo Baggins song was classic! Why Leonard Nimoy's music career
didn't take off, I don't know.
I'm finally getting around to reading The Great Gatsby and now that I'm
halfway through I'm wondering why I put it off so long. It's not the
kind of book I'm usually into, but it's as good as everyone says it is.
Have you forgotten how cool David Bowie is? Cos I did. Until I was making
a mix for an online friend. Ziggy rocks.
Session 9 is one scary mind fuck of a film. See it if you like to
tremble like a little girl.
Well it seems quite a few people are interested in my story, so I hope
the rest of you don't mind me sharing. The entire story is far too long
to post here, it would break your inbox. If you want the gory, tragic,
and at times sappy details: http://muruch.net/crazy.html (just click
the melodramatic pic on the page, ok?). Though be warned, it's long,
detailed and features bizarre pictures. Just because I can.
A summary:
I was raised a Jehovah's Witnesses. After my grandfather died in '99, I
became very depressed and withdrew from everyone. I got very involved
online. Met an Irish boy online. Fell for the boy. About 6 months into
the relationship, my sister found out (I was living in an apartment
attached to her house). She and my mother got the religion involved. I
was interrogated by the elders of our congregation and they tried to get
me to break off the relationship. Instead my boy flew to me on
Valentine's Day of '00. My family kicked me out of my home when they
found out he was coming here. I had no choice but to stay in a motel
room with him. I know now that there is nothing to be ashamed of in
that, but I was a god fearing virgin at the time. Anyway, even though
I'd been kicked out of my home and had no money to go anywhere else, I
was once again brought before the elders (this time alone with them in
the church inquisition style). Even though I was not having sex, they
said it was 'loose conduct' to stay in the room with him since we were
unmarried and that if I did not move out of the room, I'd be
disfellowshipped. Disfellowshipping is similar to shunning. No contact
with friends and limited contact with family. The boy and I panicked and
got married, ten days after we met. We figured that in order to stay in
the same country, we'd have to get married anyway.
It didn't help my situation though. I was still disfellowshipped. For
nothing really. The thing was, being raised as a JW, I was not allowed
to have close friends outside of the religion. So since none of my JW
friends were allowed to talk to me anymore, I have been left with no
offline friends since then. The disfellowshipping was what kicked off my
depression and panic attacks, though more happened after that. Including
staying with my psycho Catholic mother-in-law in Ireland and going
through yet another inquisition with JWs & an anti-cult group courteous
of my in- laws. Then we ended up stranded with some online friends in
England who turned out to be even more psycho than my in-laws. 5 months
with little and sometimes no food for us. Really bad memories.
Finally we got back to the States in September of 2000. I was forced
back into the hell of being a walking ghost among my friends. They would
turn away when I walked in the room. My sister cut off contact with me
because it hurt her too much. My mother was the only one who could talk
to me, but even she put distance between us.
Eventually, once I was to the point of suicide, the elders reinstated
me. My old friends could talk to me again. But they acted like
nothing happened, or that I should be grateful for them talking to me
again. My family was even worse. I was not allowed to talk about the
past (they still don't know what happened in Europe), but they could
torture me with my choices. I stopped going to their meetings
(services). It was just too painful and embittering. So now they don't
talk to me again. My sister won't let me see my niece very often. My
mother says she doesn't return my phone calls because she can't 'deal'
with me not going.
I tried therapy, and was told that I have depression, panic disorder,
and post traumatic stress syndrome, but that I'm very self-aware and
seem to know the motivations. I was also told that I should distance
myself from my family. Most of my online friends say this. The few co-
workers that know even a little of the situation say the same thing. Yet
I can't. All my life, my mother and sister and I were all each other
had. They are a part of me, even if they choose to do this to us.
The depression has gone too deep. I know now that it's at a chemical
level. Because even though it all still hurts, I've acknowledged my
issues and the causes and tried in every way to move on. Despite the
above misery and how I feel about it, my marriage is a happy one. I
would do it all again just to have this boy. Because if there is such a
thing as a soulmate, he is mine. Of course I wish that we had met
offline and without all this persecution, but what's done is done.
Anyway, so I guess now you know why I avoid the topic of religion. Been
there, done that, have the scars to prove it.
I don't wish to offend anyone with my story or my comments. Sorry if I
do. The internet is my only haven from my past now. And I tend to let it
all out here. I don't mind at all discussing my story or my depression
here on the list. Though of you that have mailed me privately, please
feel free to post here about it. I have had every ounce of privacy
ripped away from me offline. Here I open up freely. Perhaps too much. :)
Any comments or questions are welcome. Though I do ask to avoid uninformed
JW bashing, as I've had my fair share of that as well and it doesn't help
how I feel about things. There's good and bad in everything, and in that
case I've experienced both.
Thanks to everyone, both on list and off, for advice about anti-
depressants and doctors. I still have not gone to a doctor. I'm trying
to find one that I can see in the evening or weekends as I can't take
any time off from work. And I also need to be able to make payments for
the visit and the meds, as I have no insurance and really can't afford
the doctor right now. But I'm desperate. I will keep in mind all of
your recommendations and warnings. From what I've read, I'm thinking
Zoloft would be the best for me. I was on the old school type of antis
in high school and they fucked me up. But the new stuff seems easier to
take. I hope!
Anyway, onto replies:
Simon:
>Of course you know about synching it with 'Dark Side Of The Moon',
right? ;)
Of course! That was fun. Especially while drunk. Though I have to say
that playing 'Stairway to Heaven' with the Stairway deleted scene on the
Almost Famous Bootled DVD surpassed it.
Rebecca:
>I haven't had the opportunity to pick up Gold yet.<
I highly recommend it. It has kind of an alternative country vibe to it.
A few songs are misses, he sounds like he's doing a David Gray vocal
impression over Bob Seger guitar. But the good songs are very good. Very
upbeat and relaxing.
>I get wierd comparisons like that all the time.
I've gotten the Molly Ringwald one, too. But only after I dyed my hair
red. I've also been compared to Claire Danes (circa MSCL), Tori (I think
that person was on drugs), and Alyson Hannigan.
When my hair was black, I got everything from Madeleine Stowe to Madonna
to Jane Russell.
The only consistant comparison that seems to be based more on my face
rather than my hair is Juliana Hatfield.
Lavs:
>Having neither read the book or heard any stuff by Poe I can't comment on
either.
I attempted to read House of Leaves, but couldn't make it past the first
few pages. I will say it's a brilliant concept. But it's not easy to read.
I suppose since it was apparently originally written for the internet, it
was hard to transfer to a book.
As for Poe, I'm a big fan. I like both her albums, but especially Hello.
She's a very talented singer and I love the occasional stabbing in her
lyrics.
Megan:
>I am back from the magical land of corn and soybeans, commonly known to
some as Indiana. 8 hour drive<
I'll be heading that way for Labor Day weekend. Only I have to drive the
entire 8 hours. I guess it will prepare me for the 15 hour drive to New
Orleans. Bleh.
>Amelie was a great movie. See it, all of you.<
I have! And I loved it. It's a rare film that actually lives up to its hype.
>I bought Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 2 on dvd but since my nifty new
computer with the built in dvd drive is being taken BACK tomorrow I cannot
watch it. <
Oh no! You have to see the rest of that season. I still think it's the
best season of the show yet. The finale was grand.
I've recently become addicted to Angel thanks to summer reruns. It's not as
exciting as Buffy at times, but I do like how the end of the episodes
aren't always pleasant. Darkness is good.
Simone again:
>So just how are they going to track down all those evil Morpheus and Kazaa
>users?
I think it's a ridiculous and mostly impossible idea. The only thing I can
figure is they hope to utilize the spyware that comes with the programs. I
think it's just another useless tactic to scare mp3ers.
Speaking of mp3s, I try to put up 5 songs on my site each week. The link is
in my sig. This week's selections are from Nikka Costa, The Cramps, 30
Seconds to Mars, Jill Sobule, and the musical Rent. Feedback and requests
are welcome. If you like the music, please buy the albums. :p
Victoria
'innocence is a fairytale' -plath
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:06:51 -0700
From: "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: RE: can't think of...
As far as the Michael Jackson dilemma goes, the man has been out of touch
with reality for decades now. Put it this way: would you go to Howard Stern
of all people to try to gain sympathy? And his rant against Sony reminds me
of what happened to George Michael afterwards. George in 1987 could do no
wrong, George in 2002 can't even get a recording contract. Or maybe it's
because Johnnie Cochran represented Jacko as he did OJ Simpson? My opinion
is that a lot of entertainers are total bastards as people and creative
geniuses when it comes to their work. History backs that up... what I find
funny is that Rage Against the Machine never blamed their label for being
racists or evil, and they had no problem biting hands...
Fans, EWFs, or whatever you want to call a follower of a favorite
entertainer can also be the biggest critics. Heck, Van Halen fans still
debate over Hagar and Roth, Tom Waits fans (Raindogs) debate over which
label represented his better era. With Jackson, some people miss the
talented little kid, or reminisce over the Thriller glove and jacket era.
But with something like child molestation charges, that's a bitter pill to
swallow. And now with his rant against the record company that even Al
Sharpton didn't want to play part of, it does make him look bad. Granted
Mottola isn't the nicest guy, but few successful execs are.
People are going to boycott the big 5 because of the threats against file
swappers that they are trying to push in Congress. Is downloading really
effecting artists? Maybe to an extent, but not the way the RIAA is making it
out to be. But I wish people took on worthier causes that do affect their
daily lives than entertainment. But if they can take on the entertainment
industry and succeed, they really should take on politicians who try to take
our civil liberties away daily.
Anyway, over 10 years of Tori, the new song is great, a new CD coming out
and a new tour this winter? Life is good... just thinking about everything
Tori has done over the past decade, awards and accomplishments she's
received, and how significant her RAINN organization has become over the
years, and now she's a mom living "over there". She's become an influence to
many musicians as it is, and her songs hold up when others over a decade ago
have fell by the wayside. I know she's on an "evil major record label", but
you know full well that she's going to do things her way.
>From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
>To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
>Subject: can't think of anything to describe my current mood.
>
> I feel very.. fucked up, for lack of a better way to put it. I
>guess I could blame it on this last week (being a girl can suck, you
>know.) and PMS on top of a few of my friends running to me ALL WEEK for
>help because THEY'RE depressed and they want me to help them figure their
>problems out ON TOP of right now I'm feeling guilty in the absolutely MOST
>fucked up way about becoming an EWF and growing out of Michael Jackson
><snip>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:09:43 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: tinkerbell
oooh yesterday's ren fest was awesome... got FAIRY wings, they're all
rainbowy and glittery and have these clear jewels on them... $57 but i love
them!
anywho...
bethany asked:
>can any you ladies here recommend a vibrator that
>isn't too expensive?
well, depends on what you're looking for. you can typically get a decent
one for $20, though that's usually the minimum price. toysinbabeland.com
has a good selection. mine is this little black mini-mite waterproof thing,
around $18 from this one site... i think it was evc.com or something.
i'll reply to later digests later, there are 5 or 6 of them i need to catch
up on. right now i'm looking for a sewing pattern for overalls online. my
friend gave me a bunch of fainbow fabric, and if there's enough, i want to
make overalls. if there's some left over, i'll make a bag. of course,
being me, it'll take forever and i'll do it all by hand, but that's ok...
-ade
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:19:04 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: more lovahly replies from the ade girl
mmm i made cheeseburgers on the grill for dinner, topped with the italian
tomatoes (roma, i think) from our garden. watermelon and freshly-brewed
iced tea made the meal. i've been looking for a hot shot and can't seem to
find one. my dad said he knows where to find them and that he'll get me
one. good, they still exist. i was beginning to worry that they didn't
make them any more.
cyndi asked what makes a REAL man (11 days ago - i'm way behind on digests
so i only reply to what i feel strongly compelled to answer), so here's my
tuppence:
a real man has the courage to fight a dragon and the compassion to save a
kitten from drowning. he's self-reliant, confident, and cooks delicious
steaks and hamburgers (or, if he's a vegetarian, makes a killer pasta sauce
and pancakes). he knows how to get what he want and gets it through legal
means that don't hurt anybody. he lowers the toilet seat when he's
finished, flushes, can do laundry without dying the whites pink, and shares
the remote. he's considerate of others, respects women, and calls his
mother at least once a month. he plays baseball and barbies with his kids,
he can mow the lawn without teaching the 2-year-old across the street
interesting vocabulary words, and he pampers his dog or cat. basically
that's what makes a man in my opinion.
real man: my uncle glen, a big teddy bear, a police officer, raised 4 great
kids and a menagerie of animals, one of the nicest guys i've ever met,
treats his wife and mother well, etc.
non-real man (what do you call them? pricks?): eminem. he's just an
asshole, and i have zero respect for him. when i think of scum, he
immediately comes to mind.
regarding attention-seeking:
everybody desires some sort of attention, recognition that people like them,
recognition that they have a place in society. attention-seeking is ok
until you overdo it. take celebrities for example. a lot of female
celebrities (excluding our dear tori and respectable others, of course)
compete to see who can wear the most daring outfits. all attention falls on
jennifer lopez when she shows up at a movie premiere or something wearing
approximately 4 square inches of cloth. sure, the spotlight is on her, but
really, is she wearing the clothing because it's comfortable or because she
wants all eyes on her? also, there's my sister. while she dresses fairly
modesty (as compared to many of her "prostitot" peers), she's loud,
annoying, and always has to have the spotlight on her. i can't stand it.
enough on that topic. as for disabled/handicapped people:
i've known several in my life, and i tolerate them. at the writing workshop
i attended a few weeks ago, i met emily, who has a plethora of physical
problems and rides in this nifty electric wheelchair. i helped her out
several times during the week, retrieving things, opening doors, etc., and
it took me a few times to figure out how to set up and fold back up her
walker. but i tried the best i could to be understanding and accomodating.
a lot of people don't have the patience to deal with the shortcomings of
others. they don't seem to realize that disabled people are just like them,
only physically different. they're not weak, frail, creatures of another
species. the disability is just a part of their life. while it often makes
things difficult, it's not their fault. they can function fine if the
proper accomodations are made.
so that's that. i think i may start packing for college. i started writing
a list of stuff i need, and i think i may need to do a bit of shopping. my
mum and sis are returning from vermont tomorrow, so chaos shall return to
this house. ah well...
-ade
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:51:25 -0700
From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, ustour@torithoughts.org
Subject: more radio tori
according to this thread at the forum <url:
http://atforumz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148238 >, tori will be on
star 98.7 in los angeles this afternoon sometime between 3 and 7pm pt. star
98.7 has a live stream available at http://www.star987.com/main.html
(though it does not support macs or netscape 6/mozilla).
also, per this thread <url:
http://atforumz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148237 >, tori will be on
alice 97.3 in the san francisco bay area tomorrow at 1pm pt. alice's
website is at <url: http://www.radioalice.com/ >. they do not appear to
have a stream.
woj
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