RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1698

RDT Right Now #1698

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:32:53 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1698
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1698 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o vh1 news clip [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] Re: RDT Right Now #1696 [ Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> ] tori on san francisco radio [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] Icicle, Titanic.. huh! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Snakes With Tongues That Whisper [ Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterroris ] hellllllp meeeeee? [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] AIM, etc.. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] yipes!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] fweeee!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Which Tori song do you relate to the [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] Interpretation [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On August 22nd in 1963, Tori was born. Her Leo horoscope for today reads: ,%%%%%%%%, ,%%/\%%%%/\%% You'll have a romantic and ,%%%\c "" J/%%% ,,,,, entertaining year if you get %. %%%%/ 6 6 \%%% ||||| out and kick up your heels. `%%. %%%% _ |%%% @@@@@@@@@ This is a year of accomplishment `%% `%%%%(__Y__)%%' {~*~*~*~} and enjoyment in all aspects of // ;%%%%`\-/%%%' @@@@@@@@@@@@@ your life. All the experience you (( / `%%%%%%%' {~* HAPPY *~} get and the people you meet will \\ .' | { BIRTHDAY } result in fantastic new projects, \\ / \ | | {~~*~~*~~*~~} pursuits and partnerships. You \\/ ) | | @@@@@@@@@@@@@ will be open and receptive to \ /_ | |__ __) (__ new ideas, places and things. (___________))))))) /_______\ In 1993, lots of 'Happy Birthday' messages to Tori, and comments on the Torifests (before, during and after), members converge on a '#Torifest' IRC chat, emotionless MAAG, and the Westwood One performance. In 1996, a member demands an explaination for the world not ending on Aug 14th, and a parody of Mr. Zebra for Tori's b'day: hello Miss Amos, can I wish you well cos its your, your, your Birth-day, day, day. big balloons and ice cream, somewhere theres a cake for you with a gigantic candle that will blow your mind. In 1998, the Kate Bush song used in The Party Of Five. In 2000, Ron Jeremy, boys and cheescake/"asking for it", feminism, politics, two special birthday digests (some with responses to 'What would you give Tori?', 'What would we say to Tori?'), and in the regular edition digest we were asked "Who would you like to be for 15 mins?" (a la "Being John Malkovich"). In 2001, teachers. To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:43:33 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, torinews@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: vh1 news clip there's a news flash being shown on vh1 now and then which features a snippet of an interview with tori. i managed to tivo it this morning. here's a transcript of what was said: [announcer standing in front and to the side of a tv monitor displaying the half-shot of Tori. the image is actually a polaroid with tori's half face along the side with the thicker border. "Tori Amos Scarlet's Walk" is written along the thick border] Announcer: Tori Amos' upcoming new CD, Scarlet's Walk, is a concept album about a roadtrip across America. Among the observations made on the trip is the prevelance of misoygny and homophobia in pop culture. [cut to Tori, wearing a pinkish, off-the-shoulder on one side shirt] Tori: There's a lot of, um, I guess you could say, similar ideaology between the right-wing and some young hipsters. You know, it's just like Jesse Helms in tattoos. [cut back to announcer] Announcer: Scarlet's Walk hits stores October 29th. For more music news, go to VH1News.com,. I'm Rachel Perry. alas, i'm not equipped to do screenshots or video capture...sorry... woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:33:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1696 > In 1997, Violet posted a message on the ToriNews mailing list > explaining that the reason for the list disappearing was due to > Chris going on vacation (and that she would kill him for > worrying her when he gets back ... is it any wonder people type > 'violent' instead of 'Violet'???) Perhaps this is my fault, but that isn't exactly correct... I wasn't, for instance, tanning myself in aruba. I was taking care of some personal business and got caught in a bad situation. As the situation got worse, I found myself with no money, no access to the internet and unable to make a simple telephone call for 2 weeks. As soon as I was able to make contact with the states again I instructed someone to enter my email account and send the necessary files to the necessary people. During this time I saw some people killed, stepped over some bodies and thanked God they weren't me. When I finally managed to get back, I read with some confusion the events that had taken place while I had been gone, even sent out a list (unaware of what exactly had transpired) and then fell into a happy calm when I found that Violet had taken over the list. That happy calm is where I still sit now. I just wouldn't want anyone to think that I didn't take my responsibilities seriously and I'm sorry if I led everyone to believe that. I'm not being mysterious on purpose, but as the business was personal and I've not told anyone of it, I still think Violet would deserve the first reading before I blurted it out on the list. I hope you understand. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:07:59 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori on san francisco radio there's a setlist and photos from tori's alice appearance available now at <url: http://www.radioalice.com/ >. during the appearance, tori said that the current plan was to start the tour in november, tentatively on the east coast and be on the west coast come december. the tour will just be her, john evans and matt chamberlain. following that guest dj spot, tori also made a very brief appearance on star 101.3 <url: http://www.star1013fm.com/main.html >. they played "a sorta fairytale" and tori reiterated the tour information, adding that it is planned to start in early november. as richard handal pointed out earlier today, this is shaping up to be an intense radio onslaught, so please keep your ears out for any additional appearances. the chances of toriamos.com or any other official source posting an itinerary is zero to nil, so it's going to take 100% groundwork by the fans to get the word out. thanks! woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:39:45 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Icicle, Titanic.. huh! okay you guys.. I have to start posting more frequently. I've GOT TO. and just so you don't worry--I'm not all despairingly depressed anymore. That whole post about my Tori/Michael Jackson guilt still stands, (it's likely that I'll still get pangs of "guilt" about it.. just hopefully not as bad as that one) but I was having a miserable night. I'm much happier now. :) anyway, having said that, ON WITH THE REPLIES! :) the retro said: "In 1998, concert reviews, and a member reports hearing 'Icicle' being played in the background of a documentary about raising the Titanic." why did I JUST NOW get the association to that (even if it was unintentional) and the Titanic? ya know.. iceberg sinks the Titanic.. so they play Icicle during a documentary talking about it being raised.. interesting.. and.. also.. has anyone ever noticed that the entire beginning of Icicle (up until Tori starts singing) sounds like it COULD be used in a movie as "sitting around the waiting room and worrying without being panicky" music, or is it just me and my whole "I wanna be a director!" attitude? lol Deadra suggested to Victoria on a few antidepressants as well as going to a health store to check out some all-natural stuff.. I'd highly suggest that, too--the all natural stuff I mean.. cuz sometimes, loading your body down with lab-made chemicals isn't exactly a good thing to do. Megan S. wrote about her ex boyfriend not leaving her alone.. erm.. is this the guy you met at that wedding?? o_O Megan S. then asked of her family still going to her ex for car help, if it was all right to be bothered by this.. I say yes, it's okay.. your family going to him like this is kinda keeping his finger in the pie, so to speak.. tell them to *QUIT*. you need to break things off completely with this guy if he can't be an ex boyfriend and remain friends with you (and that means putting a stop to the "forgive me and take me baaaaaaack!" crap, too). Tell your family this too if you have to.. but whatever it takes, make them stop going to him--at least for a long enough time for him to REALIZE that you're not going back to him. e, I hope your trip to the beach was a blast! :) from that article that woj posted in here: "Epic Records (http://www.epicrecords.com) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment." ACK!! if I were a "good" Michael Jackson fan, then that would mean I wouldn't be allowed (what with the bullcrap "boycott" going on) to buy Tori's new album! EEEK! Beth said: "There is really no such thing as a perfect person. Everyone's got flaws, and in fact I think people's flaws in general make them more interesting - especially if they're aware of and working to repair those flaws that can be changed." I like physical imperfections a lot. They make a person--to me at least--even more beautiful. To Lisa who is unsubbing for a while.. *sniffle* I didn't get to know you, I don't think, but it's always sad when someone has to unsub even for a while! *whimper* we'll miss you! those.. "quotes" I guess, from Brad.. I don't get it.. o_O forgive me for being a little dim-brained today. I went to SLEEP at 7AM last night and my dad (who, yesterday, told me he thinks Tori is... *horrors* the ugliest woman he's ever laid eyes upon--I think he's gone blind, personally.) woke me up at noon today. :P *shakes head* Bethany said: "just went to see my (well, really my parents') godchild..." if he's your parents' godchild, then he's your godbrother! ;) as for dogs.. YES! GET ONE! I love dogs. :D Simon said in reply to my post of feeling sleep-deprived: "I've been feeling like that myself lately. Not sure *why*, but it feels like hours of sleep somehow aren't enough of a good rest. Sometimes a feeling of "blah" just sort of creeps in." EVERYBODY I know this last week has been having a general feeling of.. well.. feeling like shit.. very curious, indeed.. *frowns* Simon said in reply to the "fan-snubbing" event in which, Tori supposedly hurled flowers given to her to the floor: "Was this ever confirmed? Seems out of character for her (read: damnable slanderous lie perpetrated against her)" I dunno. I mean.. I'm sure she wouldn't do that with her FAN in mind, and I'm more than sure she thanked him for the flowers and was sweet and so on.. but perhaps she was just.. suddenly pissed off at Eric or something.. and it took over and she went "GRR!" and threw the flowers down, and so on.. I mean.. with Eric in mind, if I were her, and things fell apart THAT badly.. and if I did that (threw the flowers down) I'd at least say, afterwards, to the fan something like.. "thanks the flowers, it's not your fault I threw 'em down like that. It's ERIC'S FAULT!" or something to that effect at least.. Simon said in reply to my feelings of SLG: "One should crave to hear all tori albums with the same level of intensity." I know, I know.. I'm getting there.. honest! :) Simon THEN pondered: "would we get more accurate film reviews if critics versed in a particular genre reviewed the movies that fell within their field of expertise." I definitely think so.. but diversity helps too.. like a sci-fi fan watching Cruel Intentions for example.. to at least broaden horizons, etc.. *shrug* that's just me tho.. I do think that critics who primarily review movies that are in their taste, might do better. Simon said of my music videos I sent to him: "the videos you showed me are really good. amazing what you can do *without* professional video gear :)" damn right! did I mention that I made a Hey Jupiter video using various Tori footage clips along with the original HJ video? :) if not, then you know now. right now, I'm working on a video of random footage (Tori included of course ;)) for Juarez. :) Simon said in reply to my rant about my old church (that I don't want to go back to anymore) and their bent-the-wrong-way beliefs of Mormonism: "great comments on religion and uninformed criticism." yeah.. my mom has said it before, a lot.. but.. I totally believe in it: KNOW YOUR ENEMY. if God wants me to kill.. get rid.. or talk trash about somebody, I'm gonna do research on the person first, doggone it. Okay, I wanna end this on a pleasant note.. more of a question, really.. isn't there a guitar on the original album cut of Crucify? cuz I swear I hear it (is the piano playing with it?) in the beginning and I can kinda hear a semi-feedback whine kinda starting in as Tori is singing "..but then I get afraid of what that could bring..".. is it me and my wacko self, or.. is it not? lol.. and with that, my dear fuzzilicious friends, CYA! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (ICQ: 4514065, AIM: Keyyooo1) http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Snakes With Tongues That Whisper Hola mes amies! I did something just now that I haven't done in a while; I wrote a poem. And not only that, a _rhyming_ poem! Ye Gods, when will the hurting stop!?? It isn't the best I've written, but it isn't the worst, either. Not by a long shot. So here goes. Take pity on me. Title: Snakes With Tongues That Whisper There's Jesus in the serpent You must listen close to hear It whispers out His secrets So draw near, my son, draw near The fangs are not so pretty If they're seen from far away The poison tastes so lovely So obey, my son, obey There's Jesus in the coils And there's Jesus in the hiss So draw the serpent closer And be closer then to bliss With scaled mouths stretched open to bequeath sweet Heaven's gift See the venom falling In a constant precious drip Accept the love of Jesus As the fangs break through the skin May you go straight to Heaven Say 'Amen', my son, 'Amen' Yep. You guessed it. Inspired by the music video for GOD, by Tori Amos. I don't understand snake cults. Why would they want to hold snakes? Does it make them feel special or get them closer to god or what? Why would you want to hold something that could easily hurt you? Does anyone here know anything about snake cults? Anyone willing to share? How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:55:47 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: hellllllp meeeeee? okay, I've got a little letter that I want to print up and send to Tori.. (kinda a little "happy birthday" thing.. she's at Epic now.. I *had* her Atlantic Records mailing address.. does ANYBODY know what her Epic records address is? If anybody can help me out, I'd REALLY appreciate it. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:18:32 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: candi4545@aol.com, dovetail66@yahoo.com, sonicdissention@hotmail.com, sonicshuffle2000@yahoo.com, gronok@yahoo.com, acrowd49@aol.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kimplicity@hotmail.com, mleonard51@home.com, chelleball32@hotmail.com, mo_ttt@yahoo.com, Spyderchan2@cs.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, redhotcherrie@hotmail.com, GoodCharlotteSan@aol.com, GLPdoug@MSN.com, imursunshi9@hotmail.com Subject: AIM, etc.. I got sick of random *idiots* messaging me out of the blue after having seen my craptastic MJ site and messaging me on AIM and INSISTING that I email them--not send through AIM, EMAIL--all the pictures of MJ that I had--especially any "shirtless" ones. ugh.. so, for those of you who use AIM, do the following: erase Keyyooo1, and replace it with CiaraRavenBlaze. -- Cyndi ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:10:17 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org Subject: yipes!! AAAACK!!! Tori's birthday is tomorrow!!!!! sorry to say something so short and almost random, but.. hey, it's her birthday, you guys! I'd certainly think that's something worth going "ack!" over. :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:05:52 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: fweeee!! okay, FIRST of all.. thank you, EVERYBODY (so far) for the replies to my little PMS-inspired guilt-trip rant. It's been a few days now and while I'd always had those MJ/Tori-related pangs of guilt, it hadn't hit me that hard until that day.. well, I'm pretty much over it (at least in terms of it hitting me so hard I can't see straight).. thanks for the replies and everything. :) now on to MY replies! Simon said: "check out the links in Cyndi's sig. they're pretty cool :)" yeah, check 'em out! :D (rofl.. I couldn't resist. ;)) Simon then said to my "give 'em books & blue pepsi!" reply: "no, pepsi violates arms control treaties because it's a known biological weapon. send them Coke instead!" eep! regular coke.. make sure it's regular coke.. not diet.. if you mix diet coke with gasoline, you can get napalm.. gotta make sure it's not diet! Matt thanked us for our help on the charities rating thing.. you're welcome! :) Cheefooska offered me some words.. referring to getting a laugh from my mentioning that my rant was thanks to PMS (I'm okay now, btw. :)) : "...I hope this doesn't sound offensive but I laughed a bit when I read what you wrote, it's just that all the women in my family go berserk when suffering from PMS..." nope, I'm not offended. :D *grin* cheefooska on the MJ fanaticism, etc: "...once you get a distance from your obsession you can ask yourself: why should you care about him personally? I mean, what the artist really gives us is the art and in MJ's case his music hasn't been so good lately, THAT might be a good reason to be sad... but... I don't know.< oh, no.. what's got me is.. Tori seems to be taking over--and while I'm perfectly happy with that, it means making MJ move over to make room for her.. I was a fan for SEVEN YEARS.. *long* time.. I love his new album, just to get the record straight.. but I haven't listened to it in months. I have not ever felt the urge to.. even the times I did listen to it was like "hmm.. I have nothing else I want to listen to." and that was before I had Tori in my CD case. cheefooska then said: "...but Michael Jackson can't call anyone a racist, I mean forgive me if you do, but I don't buy his skin disease story... who else has gone from black to white in the world?!?< you don't see it often, no, but the way I see it, is.. he DOES have a skin disease, it's called vitiligo.. but if anything, he's suffered from that, and *then* finally went "fuck it." and bleached the rest of his skin out so that it'd look less blotchy and so he wouldn't have to mess with his makeup evening and evening and evening everything out. that's just me tho. and the plastic surgery.. I used to vehemently defend the man over it.. but now, I don't bother. my friend (who used to be a hardcore MJian also) has studied to become a psychologist, and she learned that MJ shows symptoms consistent with body dysmorphia.. and if you guys dunno what that is, ask me and I'll explain in a later post. cheefooska then offered: "I don't know, maybe the thing that made you sad was that your friends are still hard core fans and you don't really care that much about yourself not being a fan but about yourself not being PART OF IT.< that sounds about right.. some of my friends I knew back in the day are still hardcore.. hell, one of them got to meet MJ like more than five times.. I posted to the "#mjfans reunion" list that I'm on (it was, back in its heyday, just like this is--we talked about everything including MJ.) about the boycott, basically saying "I don't get it. it doesn't make any sense to me, and all it sounds like to me is MJ making an ass out of himself and being childish.".. and well, miss "I've met Michael Jackson twenty thousand billion times" jumped down my throat, screaming "STOP TRYING TO PUT A BAD SPIN ON THE BOYCOTT!" I truly felt singled out. Lucky me, the other people on the list replied in my defense, but I still felt like an outcast, regardless.. and it was almost a feeling of "This is almost Tori's doing. I'm so into Tori that I don't care about Michael anymore, and it's making me feel like an outcast." That's not to say I hated Tori for it, (heck, I think I LOVE her for it.. or at least in THAT subject matter, I *will*.) but I sure felt guilty about liking her for *THAT* reason, for a while. Victoria said: "Have you forgotten how cool David Bowie is? Cos I did. Until I was making a mix for an online friend. Ziggy rocks." David Bowie is definitely a living legend, I say. :D I may not own any albums, but I do hear his songs on the radio and MTV, etc.. he is certainly something I enjoy a lot when it's on. Victoria then gave us a summary of her story that seems to be the root of her problems.. *shakes head* well, I say.. at least you got a good husband out of it. :) too bad about the rest of the story though, that's really bad--and I wish I could think of something more to say to it than "that's really bad", but my brain seems to have shut down on me AGAIN. Dalshe also offered me some words in reply to my rant: "As far as the Michael Jackson dilemma goes, the man has been out of touch with reality for decades now." yeah, I just didn't notice it until he started ranting against Sony. ridiculous.. and that's part of my guilt trip, in fact. in the seven years that I was a fan, I was one of the fans who defended him every time someone even made a funny look when it came to him.. and over the last three years, I've slowly quit doing that.. and it's kind of hard--to me at least--to ACCEPT that I'm moving on to other things. (in this instance, Tori.) Dalshe then suggested: "My opinion is that a lot of entertainers are total bastards as people and creative geniuses when it comes to their work." good point, good point.. my best friend (who is/was a fan of MJ also) and I talked on the phone today for a couple of hours, and one of the things we discussed (we discuss a LOT of stuff) was how iffy MJ's personality seems to be. Talk about his music, and he brightens up and is real. Talk about his love of children and it seems like his eyes glass over and he starts to sound like a robot. also: "..With Jackson, some people miss the talented little kid, or reminisce over the Thriller glove and jacket era." I liked the Bad/Dangerous/HIStory era. :) Ade said: "oooh yesterday's ren fest was awesome... got FAIRY wings, they're all rainbowy and glittery and have these clear jewels on them... $57 but i love them!" wear 'em and take a pic of it for us!! :) Ade said in reply to my "what makes a real man?" question: "a real man has the courage to fight a dragon and the compassion to save a kitten from drowning." I envision that as.. a man with a rough hand, but a gentle touch, for some reason.. nice answer, Ade! :) Ade then said of packing for college: "...i started writing a list of stuff i need, and i think i may need to do a bit of shopping." you absolutely MUST NOT forget the RAMEN NOODLES. PERIOD. that is a large, LARGE part of a college student's diet (as they're so cheap.. *snicker* and yummy.. *drool*). :D oh and Ade, did ya have funnnnnn in Vermont???? :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:32:49 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Which Tori song do you relate to the most? 8/21/02 2:30 pm Which Tori song do you relate to the most? Please explain why. Mine is "Bells For Her" because it in some form reminds me of a heartbreak that I've had by losing my ex-best friend that betrayed me. I still miss her to death but she was wrong. I feel like in some way that song brings back memories. You know, Tori said, "Everyone has a different relationship with the songs." _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:35:18 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Interpretation 8/21/02 2:34 pm How do you interpret Tori's songs? Just list some songs and next to them tell me how you interpret them in her point of view and your's. Julie H. E-mail: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com Yahoo! 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