RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1709

RDT Right Now #1709

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 04:40:43 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1709
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1709 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o chicago tori show [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] Also... [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] puppy dogs and hummingbirds [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] September 11 recap [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] gobstoppers and jawbreakers, gobstop [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] to war or not to war? [ "Maria A. Doria" <madoria@mail.tele ] that's touching [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] sipping cold coffee on Friday the 13 [ MK <littlebluegrl@yahoo.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 13th in 1993, "Winter" won the top ten Tori songs poll. In 1994, list members discuss the "Tori as Goddess" complex, with mixed opinions. In 1997, people ponder what happened to Chris Meyers, clarifications on the nature of the faeries. In 1998, list members discuss dream interpretations, Rammstein and the seemingly perpetual six degrees of Tori. In 1999, a news blurb from Salon.com is posted recounting Tori's encounter with German guards at the Belgian border after her friend got caught with pot and how she got out of it by saying she's recorded with Phil Collins. Members also discuss fish flavored snacks [which resulted in a fish-flavored Subliminal Thought -- V.]. In 2001, members post their thoughts and immediate reflections about the events of September 11th. To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Andrea Norstad Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:55:55 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: chicago tori show ticketmaster is now listing a show at the chicago theater in (wait for it...) chicago, illinois on november 27. show time is 7:30pm with tickets costing $30-40. on-sale date is saturday, october 12th at noon. https://ticketing.ticketmaster.com/cgi/purchasePage.asp?event_id=700352C84902BAB as per usual, there is no mention of this on the venue's website, http://www.capa.com/venues/chicago.html . woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:08:09 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Also... 9/12/02 11:06 am Also--along with the story I was telling you all before about that guy that relates with "I'm Not In Love"...anyways, I have a lot of dreams about him and right when we're about to kiss...I wake up! I think my dream is either telling me to do it in real life, or to forget about ever doing it...as the saying goes, "Not even in your dreams." Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 www.petitiononline.com/JANET/petition.html ^ PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION ^ PLEASE DONATE MONEY TO THE LISA LOPES AIDS SCHOLARSHIP at mtv.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:27:28 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: puppy dogs and hummingbirds I am exhausted. I fell asleep at probably 8AM and then my grandmother got here and woke me up at about noon.. Y A W N. tiredness. hardcore. anyway, on with the replies! I've gotten a few emails (I won't say from who) asking me to try to cut down on quoting the people I respond to, so I'm going to try to do just that.. :) Maria congratsed me on Bailey being born and me becoming an aunt.. thanks! :D Arija said: "while i'm sure lester bangs would disapprove of miss lavigne, i don't, because this "punk" movement is really just about image." that's what I've heard about the goth lifestyle too!! o_O (and no I'm not a goth..) Our favoriiiiiiiite Succubus Megan explained her reaction to a guy--first guy she's ever dealt with--stating that he likes her.. and asked if any of us remember the first time this kinda thing happened.. well, yeah.. thing is, most of the times that seems to count best with me, the guy was someone I knew online. I have yet to deal with a guy in real life (since starting college at least) doing that to me, though, but I can understand your reaction very well, regardless. Beth asked what in the world we should do on the 11th.. well.. I have a kewl looking american-flag-printed bandanna.. I knew my mom (who is a teacher at a middle school) was going to need to wear something with red white and blue to work, so I hung it on the doorknob of the hall closet for her.. I wrote a kind of a "reprise" to the song I'd written a year ago ON the day of the attacks.. and I did that Yahoo memorial tile thingy. other than that, I avoided anything and everything patriotic and 9-11 related and the like on television.. and I avoided listening to songs (other than Tori of course.. ;) ) that sounded like something you would sing in a crowd of people at a flag-waving candle vigil.. I basically did nothing that required buying any of the stuff that people are selling to try to nab up money with as well as stuff that the media made a mention of.. because the commercializing and the sensationalism-izing of the tragedy that happened in my country pissed me off and jaded me, I think.. and I don't even know if I should feel bad about that or not, but sometimes, I just don't give a damn. *cuts and pastes digest 1707 into email* Simon said: "Did you know that blue pepsi is made at the new bottling facility near the Ukranian city of Pripyat?" yeahhhh dude, and coca cola is--most of it at least--bottled right here in good ol' Atlanta? :D on depression.. well.. my boyfriend has been diagnosed with depression.. and he actually told me he can't stand to pop his happy pills because once, a boss basically just really knocked him down while he was on the pills.. and he says later he was sitting in the break room grinning his fool self away and thinking "damn it, I wish I was pissed off about this!" our resident sex god asked: "So is this place dead or what?" not really.. seems like people like me and Megan and Megan and Lavs and everybody else is just barely keeping the place alive by just a little. :D Matt asked: "anybody want to share any thoughts on the current shall-we-shan't-we about iraq?" my dad thinks that Bush is doing something his father shoulda done--trying to finish the job. Me, I just plain hate war, pure and simple. :P dunno what else to say about it other than that.. Ade said: "i refuse to be depressed on 9/11. ha! so there! i'm going to be happy and say HI to people and stuff!" YAAAAAAAAAY!!!! :D e said his car stereo got stolen.. his moral of his stereo/cd loss story? "rip your cd's. Rip'em all." my thoughts? "damn right!" e then said that we look for punk in all the wrong places and listed a few people who don't usually get categorized as punk.. I never thought of NIN as punk.. angst and really good, maybe, but punk? huh! never thought of it that way.. interesting. :) my right upper lip is swollen!!! there's a zit riiiiiiiight on the edge of it and it hurts, it's hot (heat-wise) and it's all swolled up! (yeah yeah, "swolled" isn't a real word, who cares!!??) owies. enough about me, though.. my grandmother's here and I have to go entertain her. wheeee.... ciao! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:37:19 -0400 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: September 11 recap The day started off for me by seeing my letter to the editor on the Op/Ed page in the Doylestown Intelligencer (the last paragraph of my last post about "doing good works with a glad heart"), which pleased me. But I had no time to read the paper, because I was going to do a marathon to be at particular places at significant times to take pictures for my photojournalism project. My first stop was the church where they were due to ring the bell at 8:46AM. I wanted to get a shot of the bell-ringer, but the church doors were locked and no one answered my knock. So the bells went off and then the fire sirens went off, so off I went to the firehouse 4 blocks away. I took a picture of the engines sitting there, the flag at half-staff, and then sneaked a shot inside showing the coats and boots lined up on the wall. Then it was off to the high school, 3 miles away, for the 9:03 moment of silence. I took a picture of some kids through the window, but that was all there was to see. The landscaper kept working on the weeds and mulch, oblivious to the ringing of bells throughout the town. I then drove to another fire house and got a nice shot of 5 uniformed firefighters in front of their big engine. Off to the YMCA daycare and pictures of toddlers playing, oblivious to the day, the way it should be with kids that young. I finally reach the Post Office about 10:30, because I really wanted a shot of the workers sorting mail (because of the whole anthrax thing). Now, I'm well-known at this PO. Workers will see me at the store and tell me I have a package waiting, or ask if I'm ok if I haven't picked up my mail for a while. So I didn't think there would be any problem taking a few shots. But the Postmaster General for the county was there that day and denied me permission. It was a weird encounter. He told me my driver's license looked nothing like me and he couldn't take any risks with the mail. The workers who knew me just steered clear of the whole thing. So I gave up and finally arrived home at 11:AM with over a hundred shots to download. At noon I was at the VFW for a wreath and flag ceremony. The attendees (apart from the local police force and firefighters) were for the most part, the remaining members of "the greatest generation" (those of the WWII and Korean eras). But it made for some wonderful pictures, the flags flapping madly in the 40+mph gusts of wind, the old guys with their rifle salute, the small contingent of Vietnam Vets Honor Guard. Another 150 shots went into my computer that afternoon. I took a rest and a bath that afternoon, sort of glancing at TV (but it was soooo depressing), and really trying to prepare myself for whatever the evening brought. I went to Main Street Theatre at 7PM (an hour before things were scheduled) and was so please with what I found. The lobby was littered with candles on every surface, a punch bowl and some plates of sweet cakes were on the bar. The local high school art teacher had made a display of four really powerful student drawings of the towers with a draped flag and silk flowers arranged in a memorial fashion. About 30 people showed up, all ages, and after a few songs by talented young guitar players, I read a heavily edited edition of my 911 poem, which let reality into what felt like a party gathering. Then my friend Jeremy started off the sharing portion of the evening, by talking about what a year ago was like for him, and how he worried about actors he knew in the city. It developed into a wonderful group discussion of what it was like for us, how we cope, how we've changed. Questions were raised about guilt over enjoyment, and the feeling of needing permission to get back to "normal", or what Normal was anymore. It was a satisfying evening, and ended about 10PM. Then Jeremy and I went to the flag house. This Vietnam Vet two blocks from my house, decided to honor what happened by planting 3056 white flags on his lawn, each numbered, each representing a life lost a year ago. It really proved to me how enormous our loss was, what that number really looks like. When I was taking pics of it on Tuesday, it hit me as I was in the midst of these flags. I had focused on a section that had the number 2183 facing me. All of a sudden, it wasn't a number. It was a person. Each flag was a person. Tears ran down my face as I understood, finally, what that many lives look like. So it was only appropriate that I end the evening there, holding a candle and singing "America the Beautiful". And that's what I did. It was an emotionally draining day, I felt completely overwhelmed by the entire process of documenting the day. But I think once I cull through the 400 pictures I have, I will have a fine photojournalism final. It's just the culling that I'm dreading now. But I must get to it, because the Quakertown Free Press has asked for my photos of the gathering at MST. Thanks for letting me share this day with you. Fairy Blessings and Peace, Bethey It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. --Aristotle www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:28:57 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: gobstoppers and jawbreakers, gobstoppers and jawbreakers, gatorade gatorade gatorade.. meatloaf sandwich.. sloppy joe! HIIIIII everybody! *waits for the "hi, Dr Nick!"....* oh wait. I'm not Dr. Nick.. rofl.. anyway.. on with the replies we go! The retro mentioned Margot Smith.. and Beth asked if anyone knows what happened to her.. I'd like to know this myself.. Julie H. posted a very interesting story of her own to go with the "I'm Not In Love" song.. very interesting.. :) Jim posted a long and very thought-provoking post about communities. I know I'm not saying much here, but I really enjoyed all of this so don't think I just scrolled through. I read these.. anyway.. very good thoughts, Jim. :) Juan informed us that his birthday was on the 10th.. happy birthday. :) I think the problem with the reminder list is.. don't you have to go back every year to put the reminder in again? NuttyBakerGirl offered some words in reply to my "I feel like I don't care and I wonder if that's a bad thing to think that people should just get over 9-11" ramble: "This country will never get over such a mass murder, and I don't think we should. Yes, the news coverage is aggrevating. I don't think they are helping the grieving process at all." that's only PART of my problem with it. the other part is the way people are sponging money off of this tragedy with the commercializing of it all. now selling stuff and stating, clearly, that at LEAST part of the profits go to charities related to rescue work and so on.. that doesn't bother me, but all I've seen at my grocery store is basically "BUY ME!" and nothing about what goes to charity or anything. Megan explained her boy problem a bit further.. smart move there--being just board game buddies until you get used to him.. I didn't think of that idea myself.. good thing you did! o_0 Megan then said: "I've just alienated half the list by calling guys scary so I'm going to shut up now and hide my head in the proverbial sand and go away now, okay?" guys ARE scary, Megan, it's just that some of them (hopefully most of the ones on this list.. ;) ) are able to use their good qualities to the max as a way to ward off that scariness.. I mean seriously, (mind you, this is coming from a virgin!) what's scarier than a penis? o_O;; not much, I say! on that note... buh-bye for now! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:49:47 +0100 From: "Maria A. Doria" <madoria@mail.telepac.pt> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: to war or not to war? not to war! hey everybody! how is it going?! Matt asked us to give our opinion about iraq: well, my guess is that diplomacy exists mainly to try to work these tensions out. i hope mr. hussein realizes in time how big this tension is becoming and lets the u.n. enter in iraq. on the other hand, someone should put a hand on mr. bush, come on! he looks like a cowboy dividing the world in good and bad people/countries/cultures. and he's too extreme sometimes, remember "either you're with us or against us"... i know that being a portuguese i won't be too affected with this (who wants to attack portugal, right?), but if indeed we enter in a war i'll support u.s. and u.k., after all we, european, owe a lot to u.s. since they helped us in II world war... "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein genious einstein! thanks matt for all the november songs (is there any english song you don't know?!), i'm curious about things related to this month... isn't it a wonderful month?! RasinGirrl: i loved the poem! to know that we may fall, but there's always someone to help us getting on feet again is very comforting. and never to forget that there's always someone who needs our arms to help them getting on feet... Lavs: it's almost less than a month! >Tori does this to me every time lol! i bet she's sneaking in your fertile time! bye for now! maria. ========= "Have I said it before? I'm learning to see. Yes, I'm beginning. It's still not going very well. But I intend to profit my time as much as I can." Rainer Maria Rilke -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:54:33 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Arty Turners Walk" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: that's touching Welcome back Coops. You typed: >Eh? What did I give you (besides your first born)? ;-) >I can't ever remember sending you games, but it sounds like it might be a >good idea if I send you a CD of patches for Microsoft software. A CD with bits and bobs on it, namely version 5 of a certain image editing program and windows games like tetris, tai pei and minesweeper. :) I'm still working on upgrading a lot of stuff, after that I'll see what patches we need. And you think I'm the slut? It's the archives that get around, open to advances from anyone :) In the retro for Sept 12th Beth asked if anyone knows what happened to Margot Smith. I'm sure it's her I saw at Woodford folk festival one year, on the basis of what the program said about it (I've always found ot funny reading her name in the archives since then). I actually wasn't all the impressed with her (she may just have been having an off day). But that would have around 93 or 94 anyway, and don't recall hearing of her since really. Roxanne, apple butter. Sounds like a recipie I need :) Well, it was Tiarna's b'day today. She was a bit off, think she's got a bit of a fever but it really comes and goes. I thought she was jsut quiet this morning because despite how many times I'd told her, she still expected her party today (it's Sunday at the park). But we went to Blackbutt to visit the wallabies, birds, ducks and emus (kangaroos weren't as sociable) for about an hour, then she slept for about 2 hours, in which time I got some furniture painting done (The end of the road is near). Then we listened to about 8 fairytales on cd (b'day present from grandparents), then shower with Glenn once he came home from work. She wouldn't get out, so he knicked off to get dinner (McDonalds, I'm ashamed to say) while I set up her pressies from us. McDonalds was the first thing she saw when she walked into the loungeroom, then saw the presants and got all excited about there being more. She seemed quite impressed with the butterfly/fairy wings (books and clothes mildly interested. Nice, but not fun :), then the doctors kit from my parents, and the robot kitty. She played with the doctors set most, but it was quite funny seeing her interact with the cat like it was a real thing (like trying to tell it to not go under the table and stuff). Unfortunately she crashed before we got the cake out... she's got another party to go to tomorrow and then hers on Sunday... for whcih I'm going to make another cake (Blues Clues paw print), so I have no idea when this cake is going to get eaten which is a shame 'coz it's a 97% fat free raspberry mud cake and so delicious it's unbelievable. Anyway, I thik I'll be birthday-ed out after this weekend! Speaking of Tiarna, a minor update to her homepage. I scanned a drawing she did of me and the baby http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/drawing.jpg and a professional photo done a few weeks ago (it was a free shot, so I can't really complain that I don't exactly like the pose) http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/goldengirl.jpg Wow, I just found a smurf font :) X Lavs -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: MK <littlebluegrl@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: sipping cold coffee on Friday the 13th Hey everyone, Exciting to see tour announcements going up around the oblivion im in right now ;) Waiting for the Philly show announcement.. last time around it was late, and may be this time as well.. hopefully not, since I bought tix for the DC show and ended up having to sell them for Philly tix... I couldnt have made the DC show anyways.. so it worked out for the best... bah, babbling .. sorry! Beth Coulter: amazing 9/11 story/work that you did, i enjoyed reading your day snapshot as to what you did throughout taking pics here and there... Cyndi: yes Im oblivious to the world at this time since Im in love.. :) and since this doesnt happen to me too much, I happier than a pig in ... well... poop ;) I had broken up with my boyfriend of 2 1/2 yrs in July... it took me that long to clue into the fact that he was completely worthless and no good for me... but its funny how life kicks you in the ass and says "Wake up honey! This is not right!" and even after getting back together with him, he hid our relationship from everyone.. so boo and bad karma to him! ;) Luckily, the new boytoy is much better... older and wiser, and understands my eccentricities :) umm there was a point to this point... oh yes.. not sure if everyone out here has been made aware of an up and coming songstress named Charlotte Martin... she's absolutely amazing, and so pixie-ish! :) anyways you can check her out at : http://www.charlottemartin.com she's got sound clips and mp3s up there, I just got her 6song promo sampler, and its great... she's got the piano and some electronic backings to the songs and she's got the same kinda spunky humour as our dear Ms T ;) she's also a massive fan of the Cure, like me :) (although they come second to Tori... always!) :) just saw the cover of Women Who Rock with T on it, and she is just breathtaking as usual... remember how silly-cute she was when she first got out there .. in the LE days with the massive lips and little mascara she wore? and now she has really bloomed into the GODDESS she is.. :) 3 cheers for the late bloomers! (myself being one of those...) I swear that I was just 'coming out of my cell' for so many years... not that I think that highly of myself, but I definitely like this me as opposed to 10 yrs ago me! :) anyways enough of that... anxiously waiting for the new cd... faery hugs to all! hi Courtney! littlebluegrl __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Make Lunch, Not War digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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