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Date:
Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:52:43 -0700
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1710
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1710
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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I will not be afraid of women [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
finally, i post again [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
Tori Love Songs? [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
WTC/Tori Video [ Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> ]
Tori Song Poem [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
I just wanted to comment... better l [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ]
joni mitchell - blue [ Bonnie Wayne <bonnie@nmt.edu> ]
sorry, long post... I had some catch [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ]
all stars [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
randoms [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:27:19 -0700
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: I will not be afraid of women
Megan wrote:
> Sigh... Guys are scary. I don't understand them and I think they're part
> of this mysterious foreign culture that's kinda like someone from Alabama
> meeting someone fresh off the boat from China. Same species, entirely
> different customs and ways of thinking.
I have to laugh when people say this - not that I think it's funny that
you're afraid but it's just that I am kind of the opposite. I tend to make
closer friendships with men than women, at least now that I've passed the
age of 17 (I've been violated by enough men that you'd think I would trust
them less, but no). To me, girls are a thousand times more confusing. My
best friend is a man, though, and he feels closer to and more trusting of
women, generally. Eh, I dunno. Good luck with the boys, Megan. :)
Beth
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outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:35:07 -0700
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: finally, i post again
Hey guys....I've just been kickin back, reading posts. I just got home on
Tuesday from vacation. woohoo. :~D it was great fun.
anyway...Brian, I didn't read all the girls postings on what they want in a
man but a few months ago i made my own list. I think the main things were
intelligence (always always #1), beautiful eyes, at least as tall as me and
an interesting quality of "he has to know when to act his age and has to
know when to act half his age." if i want to indulge myself and watch some
lame cartoon, he better appreciate it! haha.
Lately I've been feeling like a man. I have no urge to date anyone, commit
to anyone or be monogamous to anyone. good thing i'm not dating. if a guy
said to me right now "i love you and want to be with you forever" i'd
probably faint in fear with the dixie chicks "ready to run" playing in the
background. all my friends are dating and i look at it like someone getting
married: good for them but not for me AT ALL right now. this is why i think
i'd be the perfect girlfriend. lol, i have no lasting bond with someone and
i'd be their perfect fuck buddy. LOL. oh well....speaking of males, this guy
i like emailed me today out of the blue asking me if i want to carpool to
our college republicans meeting tonight in portland. i was like
"awwwwwwwwww" *melts*. haha. i haven't even talked to him in over a month.
ok, i gotta go since i'm waiting for him to call and all that. i'm doing
laundry from my vacation. and i'm going to idaho next week. yeah, that's
really EXCITEMENT worthy...*eyeroll*
love you kids a lot and speaking of, is brad still on this list?
love, jess
"I love you all. I love you more than life itself but you're fucking mad."
--Ozzy to Jack
Ozzy: What are you eating?
Jack: Ribs. Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahh.
Ozzy: I want my baby back baby baby back baby back baby back!
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:07:05 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Tori Love Songs?
I'm wanting to take songs of Tori's.. rip 'em.. and burn 'em to a
CD--but not just ANY songs.. I've done this with various other
artists--I've taken songs of theirs that I think are love songs, and put
'em on a self-made "Love Songs" collection or two.. so.. I need your
help. even if they're the obvious (such as China or Northern Lad for
example), I need you pretty people to give me a list of songs of TORI'S
(not songs that she covered.. songs that are *HERS*.) that are (or could
be considered as) love songs.
thaaaaaanks muchly! :)
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ --
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:34:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: WTC/Tori Video
Has anyone else mentioned the Tori video with the twin towers in it?
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:40:24 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Tori Song Poem
thanks to that first Tori song poem that was submitted on
Precious Things about a week or so ago.. I've been inspired to do my
own--including the songs that she's covered (thanks to the Fairy Tales
website for actually listing 'em all..).. check it out. :) I put
asterisks around all the song titles (shoot, as if you needed me to do
that!) for clarification.
an *icicle* hangs above
one of the *windows of the world*
couldn't believe *blood roses*
were blooming already
the *icicle* dripping.
dripping.
dripping.
dripping *liquid diamonds*
landing upon *thunder road*
making me feel like
diving head-first
into a pool of *bliss*
straining my eyes to see
*the fool on the hill*
tumbling *way down*
causing those *little earthquakes*
heard the news today
that *she's leaving home*
she's gone searching for
*the last honest man*
*Mary*, *Mary*,
hold a *tear in your hand*
ring those *bells for her*
the little *butterfly*
don't be so *cruel*
to the *black dove*
that flies in *january*
that cries every *winter*
*hey, jupiter*
down in *juarez*
I've been *losing my religion*
can you find me some *real men*?
*yes, anastasia*, even *the waitress*
will *crucify* herself
and think *precious things*
of her *northern lad*.
and I sit back and think
of that *icicle* hanging
in the window..
its *blood roses*..
dripping.
dripping.
dripping.
*liquid diamonds*.
the end! what do you think? :D
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ --
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:49:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: I just wanted to comment... better late than never.
I'm starting to fall behind on digests. I don't like
that... at least if I'm not typing, I'm usually
reading, but these days, I haven't had time for
either.
I've been "traveling" a lot. From my parents' house
to my friends' house to my boyfriend's apartment to my
dorm room at school. I want to keep in touch with
everyone; I want to be near the people that I love.
It feels like just yesterday that the WTC attacks
occurred. Some people say, "I can't believe it's only
been a year-- it feels like it was so long ago." For
me, it still feels very immediate, and very real.
I woke up in the city on 9/11/2002. My boyfriend
lives in Brooklyn. I drove there on Tuesday night,
and crossing the Goethals Bridge to get into Staten
Island, traffic was reduced from about nine lanes down
to one lane. It took forever to get in, but when I
found out that there were six state trooper cars
stationed at the entrance to the bridge, looking over
cars and randomly stopping vans, I felt that it was
worth the tremendously long wait.
Until I really thought about it, that is.
I mean, if someone wants to blow up a bridge, why do
they need a van? Have you seen the size of the trunks
on Hondas? There are thousands of cars crossing the
bridges-- let's say two or three of them hold
terrorists with plastic explosives... what happens
then? All the random stops mean nothing. The
security might make people feel safer, but it doesn't
ensure that nothing will happen. I guess the most
obvious way to fight "terrorism" is to prevent the
people from feeling "terrified", which was probably
accomplished for the most part by the police presence,
but acts of terrorism are close to impossible to stop.
But, despite that, I felt the need to wake up in the
city. I needed to see it the night before the 11th
(thinking that a year ago that day was the last day
that the towers stood), and I needed to make sure that
it was still there in the morning (thinking that a
year ago that day, it was all gone). I never went to
Ground Zero to see the disaster-- it's not like I had
a desire to rubberneck and gawk. I felt more like a
mother needing to peek in on her children at night
when they're asleep, just to make sure that they're
peaceful and safe.
I've been seeing that skyline since before I can
remember... going in to see my grandfather on Staten
Island, during daytrips with my family to sightsee or
go to shows or get some dinner, or to drive into
Hoboken, NJ and Brooklyn, crossing bridges and paying
tolls to see current and former lovers.
I did not watch tv, or listen to the radio on the
11th. I could not stand the media circus. It
disgusts me.
It's one thing to have memorial services, for people
to grieve and remember and to celebrate the heroes and
the people who are still living. But to capitalize on
that by trying to get ratings is abhorrent. (And, as
a sidenote, these same people who were criticizing
Opie and Anthony's "tasteless" means of getting
ratings-- by encouraging people to have sex in St.
Patrick's Cathedral for a game on their radio show--
are the jerks who were covering the aftermath of death
and destruction and making it into a palatable
feel-good package so people will watch it and be
consumers of their gluttonous bullshit.)
I was amazed at how normal everything seemed on the
morning of the 11th in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Just an
everyday scene-- girls chatting as they wander around
the streets; a businessman carrying a briefcase,
apparently late for work; an old man taking a
newspaper into a coffee shop. No one wearing red
white and blue (including myself); no flags flying.
Not a sign.
But I know that everyone there had it on their mind.
I don't really know what I'm trying to say, except
that I'm still deeply disturbed.
And a big part of my city is gone.
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:01:21 -0600
From: Bonnie Wayne <bonnie@nmt.edu>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: joni mitchell - blue
Hi everyone! I have a duplicate Joni Mitchell 'Blue' CD that came into
my possession. The first person that writes to me and convinces me that
they deserve it- gets it- for free. Write to RDT if you wish to share
but please cc to bonnie@nmt.edu. I've been so busy lately- I might not
have time to read the digests.
Good luck!
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: sorry, long post... I had some catching up to do
Succubus... I can kinda relate to your boy problem...
"Can anyone else remember how they acted this first
time this happened to them? The first time a guy/girl
told them, in all honesty, that they liked them? Were
you as freaked out as I am?"
Yeah, especially being someone who was never popular
in high school, it's weird to go to college and find
out that someone likes you. First impression: what
the HELL is wrong with this dude???? It's hard to
believe that someone could be interested in you if you
don't feel worthy of the attention. But you *are*
worthy of it (sorry to sound like a weird motivational
speaker). I never thought I'd think this way,
considering how unpopular I used to be in h.s., but
now, I find myself thinking when someone actually
*isn't* interested in me, "Man, if this guy knew what
he was passing up, he'd totally kick himself for it."
Loving yourself is great. I never even thought it was
possible. But just have confidence that this guy
likes you because you're an awesome person, not just
because he's crazy.
Although... keep in mind, while you may be great, he
could really be crazy anyway. So yeah, heads up on
psycho-stalkers.
And Julie... I don't think I need to tell you this,
because you seem to know, but that guy does NOT sound
like a good idea. Violent? Stay away, please. If
you keep your eyes open and push these guy out of your
mind, there'll be a lot of guys that you'll be
attracted to-- certainly you can find one with a good
personality. Even if it's not with this particular
guy, if you get involved with any guy who even has a
slight tendency towards violence, you'd be surprised
at how quickly situations escalate. Before you know
it, you get isolated from your friends, you're getting
degraded, and soon you're forced to do things that you
don't want to do and, God forbid, you're getting
smacked around. And then you're forgiving him for it
afterward. I've been there, it's not cool, and it
happens even if you're trying to stay alert to
potential problems.
When people say, "Love is blind", that's what I always
think about. It may be easy enough for people to say
that women in bad relationships should just leave, but
when you're in it, it's hard to see the whole picture.
Jeez, I'm so dismal these days... Now on to pop
music...
On Avril Lavigne... Has anyone listened to any of her
other songs? Like, non-radio ones? I especially like
"I'm With You"... still has some pop-essence to it,
but even so, it's a powerful little song, and it shows
off her voice.
The only really punkish song seems to be Sk8ter Boi,
anyway, and it's not a good representation of her
talent (although she uses alliterations and rhyme
fairly successfully in it).
Simon wrote:
"I do wonder though if there's a point where someone
can be ok on their own without the meds, or is
depression something permanent that will always
require treatment and meds of some sort."
All I can say is that sometimes people will be okay
without meds, and sometimes they'll come off them,
only to feel depressed again. It's not necessarily
permanent, but sometimes it is. I wish there were
more of a way to predict who'll be able to get off
medication successfully and who won't, but as far as I
know, there's no way to tell as of right now.
I would venture to guess that working with a
therapist, as you mentioned, can be an effective way
to gain control of the problem. Sometimes people just
need a sense of control, or exercise, or motivation
and inspiration to kick depression. This is not to
say that depression not chemically related or is "all
in the mind"-- it's just that no one is really certain
of all the things that could potentially affect
serotonin. It's changed by so many factors, and
medication isn't the only way to alter serotonin
levels.
So, in short, if people are able to utilize other
methods of balancing the levels of serotonin (and
other brain chemicals), then it could have the same
effect as medication. Then, medication would be
unnecessary-- just don't tell the pharmaceutical
companies!!
And, along those lines, Simon also said: "The one
negative thing I have to say about depression meds is
what IMHO is the advertising that comes up from time
to time"
Ugh, I totally agree, Simon... I know that they're a
business, and that's how businesses work, but it still
annoys the crap out of me. A guy that I used to date,
and am still friends with, is an advertiser for a
pharmaceutical company. Even he doesn't agree with
the messages in drug ads half the time, but making
them is what pays his bills (yeah, he's looking for a
new job).
Jim Mathers... I always want to comment on your posts,
but as usual, you've said it all. Your posts are so
thought-provoking and well written. *mwah!*
And Juan's posts, while having a totally different
style, often have a similar effect. I want to give
you a hug for your birthday, and...... I want to make
things better. I feel old at 21, too... especially
since 21 came during the year that it did. It leaves
a person feeling very drained... but, a hug for your
birthday, and a wish for better times... there ya go.
Brian wrote: 'Linda had to mention The Proclaimers in
#1699. Oh, good grief! You want "500 Miles" played at
your wedding? Well it won't be to me then!'
Shit. Does this mean that we can't sleep with each
other anymore?? ;-)
It must have been really disappointing that you got
hurt during your vacation, Coops... sorry to hear
that. At least I've heard that Banff is beautiful (my
brother and sister-in-law went there for their
honeymoon), though I'm sure their hospitals aren't
altogether thrilling.
Then that fool said: "What women want and what women
usually end up with in men are usually two separate
things. I know I'd do a lot better if I was a real
bastard."
You idiot! (And I say "idiot" in the nicest way
possible.) You'd better not think of turning into a
jerk! I hate it when I hear my nice guy friends
saying that they'd do better with the ladies if they
were assholes and didn't treat them well. Not true at
all... the right girl will appreciate you for your
sweetness. I refuse to date guys anymore if they're
jerks, because it gets old really quickly. Assholes
may be good at getting one-night stands, but for the
most part, girls don't want them to stick around for
very long.
Cyndi, those animal and baby pictures (the NBC pics of
the year) were so cute! They made me smile, and I
really needed to smile... thanks for sharing 'em.
I'm very excited about the Tori concerts. Thanks,
woj, for keeping us updated on all the info!
While I'm at it... Beth, that bit from Neil Gaiman's
journal is very very exciting! I really can't wait.
Gotta run... homecoming!!! (Yeah, really early in the
season... Rutgers is the worst team in their division,
and this was the last homegame that we could possibly
win.)
Much love,
Linda
(Yeah, I mentioned TORI! WOOOO!!)
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:11:45 -0700
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: all stars
the only good thing about avril is that she wears chuck taylor converse.
anyone that wears those wins jessica points. lol...
yesterday my friend chad emailed me to ask me if i wanted to carpool with
him up to portland to go to a college rep. meeting. so i drove to his apt
and he drove us up there. ok, I know I went off yesterday on how i don't
want a boyfriend, fiancee, husband or whatev but damn, i still like Chad.
he's great. he's intelligent, nice, VERY polite (held all doors open for me
and paid for my dinner) but i know he wouldn't date me. this isn't like,
ragging on me time but really, he's baptist, i'm not. he was telling me
about the rather BAD relationship with his gf he has and i said 'you know,
i'm concerned for your happiness' and he said "oh, don't be." he said they
have the same morals and beliefs and stuff. um right. i have like, 2 morals.
don't kill anyone and uh...don't steal. there. he would NEVER date me...it's
almost funny. good thing i'm not like, head over heels over ankles over
shoulders in love with him or i'd be depressed.
love,
jess
"I love you all. I love you more than life itself but you're fucking mad."
--Ozzy to Jack
Ozzy: What are you eating?
Jack: Ribs. Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahh.
Ozzy: I want my baby back baby baby back baby back baby back!
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:48:16 -0400
From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: randoms
since things have been deader than a doornail around here, i'd thought i'd
ask a question (and hope the tori is goddess faction doesn't eat my ass for
lunch) : do you think tori has had plastic surgery?
i dunno, i was just looking at some of the more recent pictures of her and
wondering.
I'm really glad that Epic seems to be promoting the hell out of Scarlet's
Walk. Finally. it makes me wonder that if Atlantic's lack of promotion is
what kept Tori from having a really big (or even moderately big) mainstream
hit.
oh, and by the way, for those who commented, i really didn't think Avril
Lavigne was punk. I don't even think it was pop punk. i just saw her album
called that in various reviews and it definitely seemed to be the image she
was going for (you know, the angst and the heavy eye makeup), even if her
music didn't live up to it.
one more thing: can anyone recommend a Sleater-Kinney album?
and one other thing: maybe someone can help me with this: there's this car
commercial on right now, and there's a sort of grrl rock band-type song
playing (which is what made me think of Sleater-Kinney), and the lyrics go
"I love myself today, not like yesterday". anyone know if this is an actual
band or just something written for the commerical?
alright. write me back.
-bethany
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