RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1711

RDT Right Now #1711

From: violet@torithoughts.org
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:30:27 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1711
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1711 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Re: WTC/Tori Video [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] Tori and Botox shots [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] yawn. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] totally fucking random [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] RAINN [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Two trailer park girls go 'round the [ Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net. ] lalala [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ] ticketmaster update... [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] Re: RDT Right Now #1710 [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ] tori/wallingford sale date pushed ba [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] Little Plastic Toris [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] My day-so far. [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] My day-so far. - also [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] tori in the times [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 15th in 1992, more tour dates, and a transcript of an interview from WHFS, with one quote: Tori: I just lean on key ... I didn't know it was on. Maybe I should have a baby on a keyboard. I'm the most comfortable when I'm like leaning on a keyboard. Also, a member finds tori providing backing vocals on Stan Ridgway's "Mosquitos" album. In 1993, continued discussion about suggested songs for Tori to cover. In 1998, a bit of a war brewing over Courtney Love, and comments about Tori and Beck presenting the 'Best Rap Video' award at the recent MTV awards. In 1999, reviews, violence and men and women, and Tiarna's birth announcement. In 2000, body hair. In 2001, reactions to the September 11 attacks. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 16th in 1993, a member asks "is it still rumoured that tori's working with trent reznor?", Neil Gaiman's various works to date, and opening acts for Tori. In 1994, The Little Mermaid and SATY, and a transcript of the Oct '94 Spin article: TA: (long pause) A good storyteller has a conversation with the listener. I'm very direct when I play. A lot of people don't like emotional directness. They say, "Why don't you just turn away and sing it and we'll digest it in our own way." But you came to my show to trust me. when I sat down on the porch and listened to my grandfather, I wasn't giving him a fax first on how he should tell the story. In 1995, the list comes back to life with a question about whether Nishikis are a type of bike, and the duet with Michael Stipe is supposed to be in 'How to make an American Quilt'. In 1996, a member asks: "I'm curious what women out there think of actresses who consciously decide to use their physical beauty to further a career supposedly based on their acting skills." Also, "Blue Skies" to appear on the Party of Five soundtrack. In 1997, some to-do about Chris Rock and Fiona Apple and the MTV awards, people settling into the 'new' list [Thoughts Right Now], and Sarah McLachlan. Also, Subliminal Thoughts are born. In 1998, stripping and feminism, six degrees of tori, and Tori and playboy and crotch scum. To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:43:01 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: WTC/Tori Video 9/15/02 9:42 am Which Tori video has the World Trade Centres in them? Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 www.petitiononline.com/JANET/petition.html ^ PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION ^ PLEASE DONATE MONEY TO THE LISA LOPES AIDS SCHOLARSHIP at mtv.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:05:38 -0400 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Tori and Botox shots Bethany risked life and limb to ask: >>: do you think tori has had plastic surgery?<< On the Ann Powers CUNY interview (it was a gift guys, I don't know how or where you can get it), Tori starts off railing against all the famous women who refuse to honor the wisdom of age, and try to look 20 well into their old age. Ann Powers laughed and mentioned Botox treatments and Tori became very demure and said, "Well, let's not dis Botox." So the sweet Goddess is allowing someone to shoot botulism toxin into her forehead and that paralyzes all the nerves in the face that cause those little lines and wrinkles. I think that she either has to bite the bullet and start aging naturally/gracefully, or she needs to give up Goddess status and realize she is helping the media set impossible standards for women to be considered "beautiful". Personally, I believe that the wisdom that comes with age can be considered beautiful. It's nothing to be beautiful at 20, when your skin is tight and glowing, and gravity has little effect on body shape. For a woman to feel beautiful at 40, it means having to accept that skin sags and the glow must come from inside first. Tori could make a stand for it, but she must be just as insecure as all the others in the biz. It's sort of like looking at a rose: in bud form, it is perfect with a promise of further beauty (like a 16 year old girl). But after the bud opens and is exposed to the elements, it's beauty is a bit harder to find. The promise of the future no longer plays around the edges; this is the pinnacle of it's beauty until the petals wither and die. But a full-blown rose has a softness and a scent that can't be found in the bud. And if you try to keep the rose in its bud form, it will curl up and die before it has a chance. Thus I think it is with women who are forever trying to capture youth and hold on to it. After decades and tens of thousands of dollars spent in this youth obsession, these women will look back and not find happiness and harmony. They may just be filled with resentment that they couldn't enjoy life in their pursuit of eternal youth. Truth be told, when I heard Tori admit to Botox, I was outraged. What a stupid thing to do to yourself! But now I accept that it is her life to waste as she wants. I don't think I've ever heard her say that she is a Goddess and therefore a role model, so what she does is really none of our concern. Any thoughts? Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:03:22 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: yawn. gooooood... *glances at clock..* afternoon, everybody! boy, I hate sleeping past noon, but I do it to myself.. blah.. I'd be happy if I didn't REQUIRE sleep. :P anyway, replies I must make! :) Julie mentioned that the guy she's NOT IN LOVE WITH keeps popping up in her dreams and she keeps waking up right when they're about to kiss.. well.. huh! that's interesting.. I've always wondered what the dreams we have mean.. one thing I'd love to be able to do is hook your brain up to a device that could record your dreams to videotape.. that would, to me, be VERY useful if you wanted to remember your dreams. Bethey described her day on the 11th to us.. very touching, Bethey.. I especially liked the part with the veterans and their rifle salutes, and then the 3056 flags.. whew.. powerful.. Lavs, hope that font rebuilding is going smoothly for ya! there's also http://www.fontfiles.com/ to check out if you haven't already! :) Little Blue Girl said, in reply to my bit about being oblivious to the world when you're in love: "yes Im oblivious to the world at this time since Im in love.. :) and since this doesnt happen to me too much, I happier than a pig in ... well... poop ;)" bwahahahah!! I love the way you put it right there! it's so true too though.. when you're in love, everything seems to SHINE. lol.. LBG then said, of Tori: "remember how silly-cute she was when she first got out there .. in the LE days with the massive lips and little mascara she wore? and now she has really bloomed into the GODDESS she is.. :)" yeah! and I think SOME of that, at the least, is due to the fact that she's a mother now. that'll do things to you--becoming a mother I mean.. she looks older.. it's obvious she's not like.. only 30-something anymore, but she doesn't look like she's not aging gracefully or ANYTHING. she still looks quite young, but not *YOUNG* and that can definitely be a good thing. *cuts and pastes #1710 into email* I have got to keep up more on these digests. :P Jessica said that right now, she's not much for commitment.. honey, right now, you ARE probably a guy's *dream* girl.. start hunting 'em down!! :D Chris asked: "Has anyone else mentioned the Tori video with the twin towers in it?" um.. a *video* showing Tori and then the twin towers?? I haven't heard of that before.. o_O Linda gave a very thoughtful post regarding how 9/11 has affected her.. that's very touching, Linda.. and thinking of it THAT way (something you've seen all your life, etc) really helps me put it back into perspective. Damn the media and the commercialism of this tragedy, cuz it's really screwing me up, I think. Making me want to not care about something that I really SHOULD care about.. grrrrr... Linda said: "I did not watch tv, or listen to the radio on the 11th. I could not stand the media circus. It disgusts me." at least I'm not alone. :P and I'm not singling myself and Linda out here as people disgusted by the sensationalism of 9/11, mind you. I'm just saying at least there are people who feel just as sickened by the media as I do. :D Linda said, (on a much lighter note.. YAY!): "Cyndi, those animal and baby pictures (the NBC pics of the year) were so cute! They made me smile, and I really needed to smile... thanks for sharing 'em." anytime.. I loved those pictures myself. my aunt forwarded them to me and she usually forwards stuff I don't want to mess with, but once in a while, she sends some really good gems.. THOSE are what I pass on. glad you liked 'em! :) Bethany asked: "since things have been deader than a doornail around here, i'd thought i'd ask a question (and hope the tori is goddess faction doesn't eat my ass for lunch) : do you think tori has had plastic surgery?" I.. don't think she's HAD any--nothing major at least--but.. she DID say on that Ann Powers thing (I've only read the transcript) that heck, she just might, someday, get a little bit of botox done. But no, I don't think she's had anything done yet.. lol hey I have, though! but.. it wasn't exactly for cosmetic reasons--it was a plastic surgeon stitching my face up from a dogbite so that I wouldn't have three *nasty* scars.. o_O I think that counts.. ;) lol seriously.. I was like 7.. and at a friend's house.. and their dog tended to be VERY aggressive.. (he once bit my brother, too, also in the face, but it wasn't as bad as my incident.. their excuse for my brother was "there was a female dog around". (ours) he was the only dog around when he bit me.) and I, being 7 years old and unaware of what aggressive dogs are like, as well as HEARING IMPAIRED, didn't hear him growling at me when I hugged him, so what did he do? *chomp* that's what! when my grandfather came to visit later, my dad says they were talking and he was like "I'd like to go shoot that dog." (ya know.. kill it before it causes any more trouble) and my dad said "well, I'm all for it too, but you can't, especially not on an army post." so.. that crazy mutt got to, I bet, live till he got old. Anyway, I've rambled into a long story here.. I don't think Tori has had any plastic surgery, but from what I've read of what she says, she's not unwilling to try it if she thinks it'll be kind of like a tune up. :) on THAT note, I've got to go and get dressed and stuff. I woke up at 3 today and it's 4:00 now and I'm still in my pajamas. how pathetic of me. BLAH! g'night everybody! lol Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:47:04 -0700 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: totally fucking random my current favorite song is you're so vain by carly simon. did mick jagger sing backup vocals or did she like, morph into him for the song? some sounds in that song sound EXACTLY like mick. totally random fucking, jess "I love you all. I love you more than life itself but you're fucking mad." --Ozzy to Jack Ozzy: What are you eating? Jack: Ribs. Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahh. Ozzy: I want my baby back baby baby back baby back baby back! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:19:16 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org Subject: RAINN I was watching my Sessions @ 54 tape of Tori's performance (thank you Vicki, thank you, thank you!), and while she was speaking about what RAINN is, I reached over and turned my computer--which I'd just turned off two minutes ago--back on, and went to the RAINN website and signed up to try to help raise money, and to try to help my local rape center. I also asked for a few brochures and wallet card thingies to pass around.. Being that I don't drive around Atlanta very well at ALL, I'm a teensy bit worried that I mighta gotten myself (at least a little bit) into something I shouldn't have. Can anybody else who's teamed up to help contribute to RAINN like I just did, explain what exactly you do, if you can?? I'd appreciate it. I'll try as much as I can to do what I can if it's difficult to do and I'll be damned and damned again if I chicken out of this! Thanks for any help you guys can give me.. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:10:20 +1000 From: Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net.au> To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Two trailer park girls go 'round the outside Guess who's back, guess who's back.... You can tell I'm still on an Eminem kick. I guess the new album has been released here now as I heard my neighbour playing it yesterday. At least it wasn't Limp Bizkit for a change! In #1708, Succubus Megan wrote: >Sigh... Guys are scary. I don't understand them and I think they're part >of this mysterious foreign culture They are scary. By the same token, women can be scary and be just as, if not more inscrutable than men. But given time, you'll find that only some are scary. Going on what you said in the first and second posts you made about this guy, he's even creeping me out a bit. While his behavior at first was a little unusual, he really sounds weird later on. Keep an eye on him until you get to know him better. In #1710, we found out what Jessica wants: >I think the main things were intelligence (always always #1), beautiful >eyes, at least as tall as me and an interesting quality of "he has to know >when to act his age and has to know when to act half his age." That sounds like me! But I'm nearly old enough to be your father as well so if I'm acting half my age, then I'm only a little bit younger than you. Intelligence is always the attribute that does it for me. Like there's this divorcee at work chasing my arse, who the first time I saw her I just wanted to breed with her. It's not necessarily a sex thing, but more a primal urge. Sure she's attractive and a good person, but she just doesn't do it for me on a mental level. Linda wrote: >security might make people feel safer, but it doesn't ensure that nothing >will happen. I guess the most obvious way to fight "terrorism" is to >prevent the people from feeling "terrified", But doesn't the fact there is so much security mean that people are terrified? Having travelled to the US at the end of last September and again last month, I can't help but think the terrorists have won. They achieved what they set out to do, which was to terrorize people, not only in the US but the world over. But nowhere is this terror more apparent than in the US. That is perfectly understandable. Personally, I'd be more worried about the seeming ineffectiveness of airport security. I've flown on 7 flights originating in the US post 9-11 and two flights originating here. Only once was I singled out for special attention in the US, twice an extra cursory inspection and the rest of the time I walked straight through security. While you could say I'm a veteran of security checks after the Olympics in 2000, I got more attention from that in my own country. You could drive a car through the holes in airport security here, but you could drive a bus through security in the US. That was underlined seeing those journalists go through security with box cutters last week. I also think the saturation coverage of September 11 that was on all the news stations from when I arrived there, coupled with talk about war with Iraq, is only increasing the level of terror among the greater populace. If the US does go to war with the US, terrorist groups will only have more impetus to target the US. Sure, something needs to be done about Saddam, but invading or even eliminating him is only going to destabilize the Middle East even further. Sometimes it's better the devil you know (I can't help but think of the South Park movie, where the Satan is Saddam's bitch), in that he may be a despot, but he's a known quantity. He may hate the US, but he's not insane and is unlikely to do anything stupid. He's got enough trouble keeping his own country under control. On a different note: >Shit. Does this mean that we can't sleep with each other anymore?? ;-) We can always have the Dickens' Cider, I just won't marry you! >It must have been really disappointing that you got hurt during your vacation It does tend to put a downer on things. I just wanted to go home after two weeks. While everyone else was off doing fun things, I was sitting on my arse, thinking. At times like that, it's hard to have anything but negative thoughts. Couple that with being medicated to the point of being a zombie, you could say I didn't really enjoy it. But I still did manage to have some good times in there. >I hate it when I hear my nice guy friends saying that they'd do better >with the ladies if they were assholes and didn't treat them well. Not true at >all... the right girl will appreciate you for your sweetness. I'd be more worried by why guys feel the need to say this in the first place. There is a lot of truth to the expression "nice guys always come last". But on the bright side, nice guys always come last! Ugh, you said the "s" word. I've got no chance then. Bethany posed the question: >do you think tori has had plastic surgery? I might comment if I had a clue which bit you're referring to, but otherwise I haven't noticed anything. Brian -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: lalala Hola mes amies! StalkerBoy has a girlfriend that he never mentioned while flirting with me. ...Gee, I wonder why? Thus, I dyed my hair blood red and am ready to lacerate him with my tongue. ...That sentence came out far more icky than I originally had desired for it to sound. But in other news, I wrote a poem: Title: Sacrifice When you begin to live again Feel free to drop on by But until then avoid the men The sex and drugs and lies Corruption lies in a disguise Of handsome eyes and hands So never seek to get the prize The Lord will understand The choice to live will always give The devil chance to win So you instead seek to believe That everything's a sin A sad excuse for a bad choice To never step outside You use your prayers to stop your voice to stay inside and hide The devil can seduce a man Well, that is what you say But he is just a poor excuse To throw your life away How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:52:17 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: ticketmaster update... ...more like downdates actually. ticketmaster has removed both the columbus (nov. 23) and chicago (nov. 27) listings from their database <url: http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/749136/ >. chicagoi had been removed last week while columbus just disappeared today. i have no idea why either listing was removed. while it could mean a venue change or something else logistic along those lines, i'd guess the most likely reason is that the shows were added to their database earlier than they should have been. woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1710 on discussions of being afraid of men and women: Beth Winegarner wrote to Megan on this: > Megan wrote: > > Sigh... Guys are scary. I don't understand them and I think they're part > > of this mysterious foreign culture that's kinda like someone from Alabama > > meeting someone fresh off the boat from China. Same species, entirely > > different customs and ways of thinking. > > I have to laugh when people say this - not that I think it's funny that > you're afraid but it's just that I am kind of the opposite. I tend to make > closer friendships with men than women, at least now that I've passed the > age of 17 (I've been violated by enough men that you'd think I would trust > them less, but no). To me, girls are a thousand times more confusing. My > best friend is a man, though, and he feels closer to and more trusting of > women, generally. Eh, I dunno. Good luck with the boys, Megan. :) I find most people fairly mysterious actually - although the only person I'm really scared of is... myself... *sigh* I've been betrayed, lied to, and taken advantage of by many many people for many reasons. I've finally found a group of people I can trust - in the mundane world - and I'm finally home. Maybe that's it... who knows. I do feel closer to women for some reason... dunno why. and to continue (and kinda invert) the thread of what I look for in... a woman: - Intelligence - Curiousity - Fire *g*... Umm free will in the sense of not being easily swayed? something like that anyways.... - definitely beautiful eyes... *g*. (Agree w/Jessica Parsons here :) - playful! -... wisdom... so many people can't see... *sigh* in a man? same things really. Although I'm not usually looking for a man *g* *grin* I think I'd make a lousy umm mate-type these days but I'm getting better at the friendthing. Who knows. I've never been anyone's "boyfriend" but there's always a chance *silly grin* and all I try to be is an honourable person. One to trust - one who's -there-. Someday someone will want me to be there for them but now I know it's appreciated it's what I do. Every time a friend falls in love, gets their life another step true, or smiles more often I feel proud for knowing them. (although I'll admit to feeling proud if I had anything to do with it... oopsie I'm a bit of a meddler sometimes :) reminds me I've got a handfasting to go to this weekend of two really good friends... *grin* I don't care about the "bad guys get all the luck" thing. I'd rather not saddle anyone down with a beast so I try not to be a Beast.... (no matter how much I sometimes resemble him) and to Cyndi S. Crawford: Neat poem :) umm there's probably better complements but umm not thinking clearly... Some friends & I are thinking of doing a computer video to "Winter" but we're not really solid yet but it's lotsa fun and ummm something. the 2001/09/11 tragedy was so for many people and so was 2000/09/10 but not so obvious... not at home, not where we can see. and not as loud. umm I'm gonna stay out of memories other than saying that Cretien (our PM :) is being pretty brave *yay*. Very strange in a Canadian PM but who knows. The best way to stop this from happening is to stop the "why". the best way to preserve memory is to honour and remember - and remember that most (all probably) of the people who died had nothing to do with "why". that's all from me for now. honour and love those around and those who aren't. live strong and one's own people will be strong - and proud. It's a goodness.... Bethany Rusen asks about: (car commercial? BLASPHEMY!!!! grrr) > and one other thing: maybe someone can help me with this: there's this car > commercial on right now, and there's a sort of grrl rock band-type song > playing (which is what made me think of Sleater-Kinney), and the lyrics go > "I love myself today, not like yesterday". anyone know if this is an actual > band or just something written for the commerical? Bif Naked!!!!!! She rocks. Stupid advertisers - that song's making FUN of people like them. Especially the video *grin* Bif Naked does a whole buncha music including this one on the Buffy soundtrack (for those who pay attention) I think called "The Lucky Ones" or something. Her music tends to be of the strong-and-proud-although-didn't-usetabe type. "Twitch" is a lot off-kilter but makes me giggle 'cause saying that can get one of my friends to grin in the -oddest- way... umm :) Anyhooo G'day, eh? :) - Winterlion -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:00:04 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: ustour@torithoughts.org, torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori/wallingford sale date pushed back per this forum thread, <url: http://atforumz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152530 >, the sale date for the oakdale theater show in wallingford has been pushed back to september 28 (one week later than the original sale date of september 21). woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Little Plastic Toris hahah, Bethany wrote: <<do you think tori has had plastic surgery?>> OMG, I'm so glad that someone else finally brought this up!!! I was definitely a little bit afraid to... Anyway, I've been wondering about that since SLG came out (not in the album book pictures, but around the time that she was touring). And now the Scarlet's Walk pictures-- man, she looks younger than she did five years ago. Maybe it's just new makeup, or the fact that she's wearing her hair very straight these days. Or maybe she's lost weight (which I think she most definitely has). Who knows. Right??? ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:36:08 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: My day-so far. 9/16/02 7:17 pm I'll tell you all about my day today. I like having you all as somewhat of my journal that gets responds. Well, I went to school and checked my E-mail for a few minutes, then the bell rang. I'm a 15-year-old sophomore (10th grader) by the way. I went to my science class...we just watched some more of Stand And Deliver...a movie about a math teacher trying to motivate a bunch of students that are stereotyped because of their race (hispanic). Then I wrote a short essay...it's really strange...in my special education classes I'm looked at as a "brain" and in my regular education classes I'm looked at as an "idiot". I'm learning disabled. I do not have down syndrome, I just have something in my brain that doesn't process as well as others...I have a problem following directions and understanding things sometimes...a lot of times it has to do with interest...am I interested in this or not. Sometimes even when I am interested in something it's hard to comprehend. Anyways, after science I went to pre-algebra where I just listened to some Bjork music and did my work. I feel that math is always gonna be hard for me. When it gets to the harder stuff I'll pay attention and take more notes...but since it's my second year taking this class I don't think I really have to pay attention to the stuff I already understand. My social studies class is one of the easiest classes in the world (it's my only special education class). I'm okay with started easy though. I know that next year I'll probably have to challenge myself better in social studies. Then I got to Espanol clase (Spanish class). I'm doing okay in that class...except for the fact that I made a friend named, Jamie that doesn't really pay much attention to me...maybe it's because we don't know each other that well. Then I go to lunch and sit with Jamie and her friends...I enjoy hearing their conversations and getting in them, but I hardly ever get in them because of my kind of "out of the circle" feeling. Plus, I don't like eating outside...I had to throw away my sandwhich because those damn bees were eating it when I put it down. Bees get on my fuckin' nerves! I wanna eat inside but Jamie and her friends don't want to and I want to sit with them. Then I go to guided study, anxious to see my new crush! I sound like such a bimbo when I say that...but it's true...I have a new crush...as opposed to my "I'm Not In Love" dude (if you read what I said about him in a message I posted on here). His name is Lonell and he's very nice. He's tall, black, and he looks like one of those typical rapper-guy-bling-bling dudes, but he isn't. He's very sweet and attractive. He can be quite lazy sometimes and hard to talk to when he sleeps in class...but that's understandable because he only gets 3 hours of sleep thanks to his other family members. He also only eats 1 meal a day...I feel bad for him...Gosh, I am so blessed and grateful that I have it so good...in comparson to others. Then I go to beginning chef and make caramel popcorn (yummy gooda). Although again, directions can be hard for me...even making the simplest things. I go late to popular literature class because of the clean-up I have to do for the caramel popcorn...plus I gotta eat it. Then I go to the class which I think sometimes I feel as though I'm in elementary school again...not about the work at all...the work is at my grade level, but some of the games we play and ideas this teacher has (are very quirky and kiddish)...somethings I would play in elementary school. Then I see some friends I miss so much (Matt and Maria) both of them keep holding back on my plans I'm wanting to make with them. They aren't trying to avoid me but I don't know when I'll ever see them. :( I get home and watch stuff on my brand new DVD and play Nintendo 64 with my brother. After my brother and I discuss Tori's new album in deep interest and anticipation. I'm listening to "Talula" by Tori Amos right now. I've been listening to Boys For Pele while writing this. I listened to "Mr. Zebra", "Professional Widow", "Caught A Lite Sneeze", "Little Amsterdam", "Hey Jupiter", and "Talula" while I was typing this and other things...just for your random curious information...lol *KISS* Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 www.petitiononline.com/JANET/petition.html ^ PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION ^ PLEASE DONATE MONEY TO THE LISA LOPES AIDS SCHOLARSHIP at mtv.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:37:16 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: My day-so far. - also I'm sorry, I wasn't listening to "Talula" I meant "Marianne" when I said "Talula" Geez, I'm so obsessive and cumpulsive...lol _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:17:26 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori in the times <url: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/16/business/media/16EPIC.html > Epic Records Takes Steps to Seal Its Newest Music By CHRIS NELSON The Epic Records Group, a unit of Sony Music, is approaching the sticky problem of prerelease music's being traded online with an even stickier solution. Writers receiving review copies of two soon-to-be-released albums � Tori Amos's "Scarlet's Walk" and Pearl Jam's "Riot Act" � are finding the CD's already inside Sony Walkman players that have been glued shut. Headphones are also glued into the players, to prevent connecting the Walkman to a recording device. By locking up the discs, Epic hopes to keep writers from converting the music to MP3's that can then be traded over the Net. But even a "glueman" player is unlikely to deter a diehard critic. "I'm a pretty big Pearl Jam fan," said Bart Blasengame, a staff writer at Details magazine who was sent one of the contraptions with "Riot Act" inside. "I brought this discman home with me, and I found a way you could go in the back of the CD and, like, pop it open. So I got the actual disc out." Mr. Blasengame said he had no intention of making MP3's . "At the same time, if I want to give it a proper review, I'm going to listen to it how I want to listen to it � and in my stereo is where it sounds best," he said. For several years, prerelease music has turned up online before it reaches stores, distributed without permission by journalists, radio employees, record company employees or other sources. This July, for example, a six-song sampler from Ms. Amos's upcoming album was shipped to writers the old-fashioned way. The songs soon appeared on file-sharing services like WinMX. The Recording Industry Association of America blames Internet music-sharing for declines in CD sales, though proponents of MP3 trading dispute the group's arguments. A Sony spokeswoman confirmed that the glued players were being used to combat piracy, but would not talk about their effectiveness or responses from writers. This is not the first time prerelease music has received the glue treatment. Gil Kaufman, a freelance journalist in Cincinnati, said he owns a prerelease copy of Radiohead's 1997 album "OK Computer" that is glued into an Aiwa player � an Aiwa analog cassette deck. That makes MP3 conversions a bit more difficult. o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Five Years Ago Today, Subliminal Thoughts Are Born digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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