RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1718

RDT Right Now #1718

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:50:34 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1718
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1718 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o toritour [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] on flirting, men and women, and othe [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ] wow [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] point of pubes [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] georgie porgie pudding and pie [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] replies d1-m2-AT0039 [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] more replies d1-m2-AT0039 [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] Yesterday [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 25th in 1992, the transcript for Tori's Hollywood Report interview is posted: Tori: The side of me that writes the songs and plays them does not show up for these things [referring to the radio/TV interviews]. There's another girl that's been delegated to do this. She gets perks - she can go shopping every few days. The person that's doing the writing does not get touched by this. If she did, I think she'd jump off a bridge. In 1993, more lists of favourite music artists/songwriters. In 1994, reviews, Lucy, and image and female muso's. In 1996, scientology (and Neil Gaiman). In 1997, a couple of successes with the AOL problem, and the new Bjork album. In 1999, comments on TVAB. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 26th in 1994, Bill Miller, and more LE v UTP. In 1997, more AOHell, and new music (especially Bjork). In 1998, an article from the Bakersfield Californian is posted: "When you, the writer, integrate your own material in your psyche, it changes you forever, " she says. "Some writers allow songs to come through them, but don't take it in, so they don't grow. If they dn't let it bring up questions in their own beings, they're just translators." In 1999, lots more comments on TVAB, Mike Patton, non-drug lifestyle. Also, a lovely post about meeting Tori: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives/rdtrn/199909/msg00020.html#0 [Hey, yay! :) :) :) -- Violet] In 2000, the Olympics. In 2001, more comments on the SLG album, and a few members react to a post forwarded from someone off list (with no direct way of contacting the person). To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:34:37 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: toritour Sorry to John B. and anyone else who might be unhappy with the volume of ToriTour stuff that has been going to this list - woj suggested we do it on the grounds that a lot of people here may not be subbed to any of those lists but still might want to find out what dates have been announced, when they go on sale, etc. If people don't want us to do that, though, just let us know. :) Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: "RDT Right Now [yes yes :]" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: on flirting, men and women, and other business.... after reading Succubus Barbi's message.... got to thinking about flirting I guess it's all in -what- you mean when you're flirting maybe umm missing bits still. It's terribly rude to flirt with someone and give them ideas without making sure things are clear. My best friends are both incorrigible flirts and so am I *g*. (they're handfasted with eachother). I love to flirt. But I don't really have any intentions about ummm going out with someone or anything. although it'd be nice noone's really given me the idea they want it really... sorta... umm. fuzzy water. I think flirting in the sense of "The person I'm flirting with is the most wonderful person in all the world and I'm gonna have the chutzpah to prove it to them" is nice flirting. But the whole "yumm... mustflirt" I don't like as much... but whadoiknow. Flirting IS a language. With all kinds of nuances. And lots of peoples speak different languages. What one person may find to be friendly another might find unwelcome. Part of learning the language is to watch for those signs..... (in other words Mister StalkerBoy is definitely clueless twit) all of a sudden *deep sigh*. I've just spent all weekend just -with- this really nice lady and I'd love this to continue but it just won't happen. She's not into guys to begin with and second I'm not her type. (I'm all fuzzy & stuff). (although *giggle* I don't have any fat anymore it's so weird I've been that way for yearsandyears and it's gone... *scritches head* but I feels better :) Umm I suspect the fuzz (beard,moustache,longhair,and general fuzzyness) makes me look a different age or something but *deepsigh* I'll -never- look like one of those prettyboys I never did anyways. oh mind wandering time to go before derail completely... oh yah. Went to handfasting of "Mom" (SCA mom :) this weekend it was terribly romantic we all have a "Dad" -officially- now it's a wonderful thing they suite eachother so veryvery well and both love to flirt so they do with eachother allda time it's great umm..... it was at a medieval thingy a -country block- away from where I spent the first 8-ish years of my life wow I haven't -seen- that house more than twice since... and the last was more than 10 years ago.... G'day, eh? :) - Winterlion the incorrigible flirt and helpless romantic :) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:51:38 -0700 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: wow hmm, tori is playing portland on my 24th birthday. interesting because my dad and i have the same birthday. "ok, bye dad, going to see tori now." lol. i decided that i won't go alone. i usually go to concerts along but to go alone on my birthday seems quite sad. que triste. hmmm...thanks for the tour dates. love, jess "I love you all. I love you more than life itself but you're fucking mad." --Ozzy to Jack Ozzy: What are you eating? Jack: Ribs. Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahh. Ozzy: I want my baby back baby baby back baby back baby back! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:05:44 -0700 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: point of pubes *****OVERSHARE AHEAD******* SKIP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW INTIMATE DETAILS OF MY LIFE The whole point of pubic hair is that when you are giving head to a guy, while you are thoroughly enjoying yourself, you get a little piece of it stuck in your throat. then later, when you get up, you have to go drink water to wash it down with or spit it out. I prefer the former so you don't have to hack and gag in the sink. anyway, I've had this happen to me a few times and yeah, that's the whole point. it's the only SLIGHT side effect to giving head. every woman should give blow jobs, they're fabulous. so guys, what's the point for a female to have pubic hair or is that the *real* reason you want us to shave it off? On a totally different note, I'm going back to school tomorrow so all I have to do today is pack nearly everything I own. sigh. i hate packing. i really do NOT want to go back to school at all. but my house is co-ed so hopefully *crosses fingers* I shall be experiencing the wonderful blow job side effect a lot this year. LOL. On a bad note though, my friend wrote me an email and said she never wants to talk to me again. whatever. her problem. but she's being really really stupid. ehhhhhh.. -jessica "I love you all. I love you more than life itself but you're fucking mad." --Ozzy to Jack Ozzy: What are you eating? Jack: Ribs. Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahh. Ozzy: I want my baby back baby baby back baby back baby back! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 02:36:17 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: georgie porgie pudding and pie Julie: >I eat lunch >with her and her friends and they barely notice I'm alive. I know they >aren't trying to ignore me, but they don't know me that well and I guess >that don't want to ask me anything. Soon the ice will break...I hope soon >though. I see what you mean, sometimes it takes a while to really get to know people. I joined ARGO last year, but I didn't really get to know some of the people until later that year, and this year everyone knows me and talks to me. Strike up a conversation with the girls. Get to know them, and maybe you'll make some friends. >So, you know how I was talking about the really cool guy in my guided study >class that's really nice and good looking, etc. Well, I was waiting for a >few more flaws and I found one very big one. He used the word "faggot". In high school, most guys are like that. They really don't think about what they're saying, they just say things that they think make them cool. Well, girls are the same way too, I guess it's a teenager thing. Thank goodness I only have 8 months left of being stuck with that stupid "teenager" label! Hang in there, I'm sure he's a decent guy underneath it all. >Just because I'm 4'10 does not mean they can walk over me! YEAH! You go, girl! I'm 4 foot 8 or 9, and I let everyone know that I can do anything I want, I don't take shit from tall people, and I'm independent! Short people are AWESOME! Hi-five! Nevermind, lo-five! As for doing the dishes, I took cooking my senior year, and most of the time the guys in my group did the dishes while I cooked. It worked out perfectly. They didn't want to cook, and I despise doing the dishes, so everyone was happy, especially when we got to eat! I got my Rocky Horror bendy figurines in the mail today! Yeehaw! Now I have Riff Raff, Columbia, and Frank on my computer desk - along with Velma! They should make little Tori bendies, complete with a little piano... that would be so cool... -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:16:37 -0500 From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: replies d1-m2-AT0039 hello! I've seen the list of tour dates- and I have to ask: is that the complete list? No Texas dates there at all, nor is there any show listed that would even be close enough to travel to. Hoping what I've heard about possible dates for early next year is true. anyway- ade wrote: >when he mentioned anne boleyn, i got "talula" stuck in my head and it's >been there ever since. heh. if you're going to get a song stuck in your head, a tori song is the way to go :) welcome back jessica :) lavs- so it's one month and counting? congrats to cyndi on becoming an aunt :) from john b: >I was never involved with anybody who changed that much. Well, I was >involved with somebody whose sexual orientation changed after we were >together for three months. That's pretty serious, but I'd known it was a >possibility from the start. so, you can relate to Ross Gellar ;) about the new album: >I'm nowhere near as impatient about these things as I used to be. this is a new tori album we're talking about. how can one be anything *but* inpatient? beth wrote about Brian's recent visit to the US, specifically northern California: >and it's his first time driving in America. Keep your fingers crossed for him! should have been easy, since we drive on the correct side of the road, and our steering wheels aren't on the wrong side ;) cyndi commented on my tori b-day posting: > from you, no.. from anybody else, um.. probably. :) whereas I why we don't see more postings like that from other people. I find their lack of faith disturbing.... (quick! what movie did I get that from? :) ). >long distance relationships SUCK. true, but actually things turned out well for my sister and her husband despite them attending different universities. The one real problem there is that their respective universities are major rivals, which makes for some interesting "discussions" when football season rolls around. although with them currently living in the UK, I wonder if they're trying to follow US football or have they given up and become fans of soccer (rest of the world's football ;)), cricket, and rugby. ;) linda (welcome back :) ) wrote: >but it's safe to say that most of the stuff on YKTR wasn't recognized >as the work of a genius but of course, this being tori we're talking about, that too was the work of a genius, a tantalizing glimpse into the future. Only the stupid and shortsighted failed to see that at the time. Heathens damned beyond redemption. >And, Tori would totally kick ass on a huge cathedral >organ. Damn, I'm sure if there's a heaven, that's the >kind of music that they play at the gates. imagine the look on the faces all the bible thumpers arriving there, finding that the music of the afterlife is tori's ;) welcome back adam, and yes, people do still read and post here :) the work you're doing now (graphics and game design) sounds like what I'm hoping to get into :) and I think your copy of SLG is one from a parallel universe. the one I have is a redefinition of perfection, proof that tori's talent has no limits. Supernova brilliance to the nth degree. chris wrote: >I was asking someone the other day if there was a Oktorifest.... > > Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? retro rdtrn: > In 1996, two articles are posted, both of which refer to Tori > as unintelligible and strange. so brazen are the heathens. their screams doppler shifted on their decent to hell. > In 1999, more about Juarez and violence against women and, as > one listmember puts it, "Tori's musical ability vs Tori's > Goddessness." in reality, her musical ability comes from her Goddessness :) bethany wrote about avril: >but then, little 9 and 10 year olds are coming into Borders and asking for >it. i'd rather have them listen to her than Britney. better yet, would be for them to be listening to tori :) welcome back littleblugrl :) jessica, you too must have gotten one of the parallel universe copies of SLG. see my previous comments. and your switch in political alignment is a step in the right direction, just keep heading in that direction ;) >glad that west nile virus isn't here yet, but that damned klez virus is everywhere! winterlion (welcome back!) wrote: >Canadian Senate wants legalization of marijuana Which will make for an interesting redesign of the Canadian flag! ;) >Was at Viking wedding last saturday on a longship. With a performance by that Viking disco group, Th Pillage People ;) lavs wrote: >You might be intact, but you still have to worry about being pregnant! And >while you're crossing your fingers - STAY OFF THE ROADS!!! ;) hmmm.... Brian wasn't in Newcastle back in February, was he? ;) about computer games and getting a Playstation: >Like Glenn needs any more convincing! tell him you can also play DVDs on one. :) Victoria- sounds like you're at least on the way to feeling better. meds for me were a huge step. from violet: >*** Blood Is Thicker Than Water, But Goldfish Don't Seem To Like It As Much >digest *** unless they're vampire goldfish! later! Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:18:07 -0500 From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: more replies d1-m2-AT0039 hello again! welcome back maria! :) roxanne- any luck with the job search? bethey wrote: >Subject: Remember the Day in a good way Not to launch into an anti-TV rant, but I didn't watch that much of the 9/11 one year later coverage, although I did watch to see the specific events (coverage of specific ceremonies) and I myself did have an impromptu moment of silence at 7:43am local time (time the first plane hit the World Trade Center). I used to think that low-key rememberance of tragic events was somehow an attempt to make people forget about what happened but with all the hype leading up to each network's coverage for this past Sept. 11th I got *really* fed up with what IMHO looked like the networks yet again taking something monumental and turning into the usual one-upmanship for viewers and ratings. Nowadays I think keeping things low-key in no way means we're somehow trying to forget or be disrespectful to the memory of the dead, but rather avoiding having the the impact of the tragedy lost over time in attempts by some to see who can be the most grandiose about all of it. I was talking to my father earlier this month when one of the news channels (FOX I think) came on with *advertsiments* for their Sept. 11th coverage what he said echoed similar sentiments: grief should be something private- not to deny what's happened, but that making a media event out of what's happened cheapens the significance of it. One thing I did think was done well were the documentaries aired by The Learning Channel- they managed to tell the story without gratiuitously showing the attack footage, and they told about things that happened that day that didn't initally get much coverage. Still extremely difficult to watch- interviews with the air traffic controllers watching the attacks unfold on their radar screens, and hearing the full story about fighter pilots had actually been ordered to intercept and shoot down Flight 93. I can't even imagine what was going through the minds of the commanders who had to give the order- or for that matter, the pilot of the fighter plane that would have ultimately carried out the shootdown order. There was even talk that unarmed fighters that happened to be in the air on a training flight might have been sent on a suicide mission of their own to ram Flight 93 if the armed planes weren't able to get close enough. I'm totally opposed to censorship but I do wish the other networks could show the same discretion that TLC did in airing their 9/11 documentaries without being graphic. Something I want to ask all of you: is it unusual or irrational to still have trouble a year later dealing with it? I still feel sick seeing the attack footage and I *still* get nervous when I hear a plane passing overhead- on one hand knowing there's nothing to worry about, but on the other hand, still stopping to listen hoping the noise fades in the distance and not hearing that death-scream a diving plane makes, when I used to enjoy looking up to see what type of plane it was. Here in San Antonio there are more immediate things to worry about- bad storms with floods and threat of tornadoes, and I'm not even phased when a storm rolls through, but I freeze when I hear a plane overhead. The Challenger disaster happened almost 17 years ago and that still gets to me when one space documentary or another has a Challenger segment in it. How long will it take not to feel ill when yet again some news producer desides that we have to see the Sept. 11th footage one more time? I've always been a space and aviation enthusiast and I personally never have been afraid of flying, and nowadays I still have no problem at all with the thought of getting on a plane. But I get *really* nervous when anyone else I know has to travel by plane- my brother-in-law earlier this year going to the UK, my sister visiting him back in March and again in May to live there, and my father on a business trip back in June. Each of those times I couldn't shake the feeling of absolute *dread* I felt until I heard they had landed. But I personally wouldn't hesitate to board a plane. Same thing in 1986- I had always wanted to be an astronaut and the day after the Challenger disaster I still would have taken a seat on the very next shuttle flight without the slightest second thought. One other thing- am I hypocrite for deploring violence and hate despite my own feelings immediately in the aftermath of the attacks? I admit it, all I could think of is how badly I wanted to see vengeance carried out against people that did it. I was angry with myself for having those feelings because that's not at all who I am, and for a while it was like I couldn't turn it off. Knowing it was wrong- but nevertheless wanting to see evil avenged by an even more horrific evil. It didn't last long but I'm still very much disturbed that I've worked so hard to get to where I am now and still ended up having feelings like that. bethey, your Sept. 11th story was excellent. Well written, and it does capture a lot of what was going on. what does one do if someone's birthday happens to be Sept. 11th? That's my father's birthday and it's always going to be awkward from now one. cyndi wrote: > I think the stuff we're doing for 9-11 is a good thing.. but if >only people (and the media) would just quit trying to commercialize off >of it, dammit! grr... it's their fault that I'm not truly feeling the way >other people are about it. I feel, in fact, a bit jaded over it, and I do >not like it. Precisely what I was trying to say before. And it's not just Sept. 11th coverage. The local news people here are notorious for seeming to have a morbid enthusiasm for covering major tragedies- especially large scale disasters like the bad flooding we had here back in July. I don't mean they were cheering, of course, but it did seem like they were having a little too much fun showing us video of the destruction ad nausem-and the local TV stations trying to outdo each other. thanks for the perspective on disability and social acceptance. > hell yeah. I dunno if I said it in here before, but my friend and >I both agree that Tori is 100% a much better role model than Britney or >any of the other teen-bop girl and boy groups. :P I was dissapointed that Lance Bass wasn't going into space after all. I was hoping that he'd go, but also that they'd have enough seats on the space shuttle for all the boy band guys to go.....only real drawback is that they'd eventually have to return to earth, unless they could be recruited for the first mission to Mars ;) >you can't overdose on weed either.. >you'll fall asleep first, did ya know? (I know this stuff because I like >to learn stuff. :D) Now was this something you read about or is your knowledge firsthand? ;) > *** Six Inches Forward And Five Inches Back digest *** sounds like a rush hour traffic jam. Brian wrote about his trip to the US: >I did survive driving on the wrong side of the road, but was terrified for >the first morning. But you've driven on the wrong side of the road you're whole life- driving in the US was merely the first time you've seen people driving properly ;) >Now all I've got is bad habits for driving here. That's >if I could drive my car, as it's stuffed and I've had a rental for the last >couple of days. the rental car you get when your car is in the shop is invariably a total piece of crap, and usually the last one on the rental lot because you needed a car in a hurry and there's no time to wait on a good car being returned by a customer. but when you drive you miss seeing all the interesting people on the train... >Being on an adventure holiday while doped to the eyeballs on Ibuprofen does take >a lot of fun out of it and I'm still trying to remember what I did the >whole time. It's far more fun to be doped or drunk to the eyeballs in a hotel room cussing at your friends for "spiking the liquor with something" because you swore that you wouldn't get drunk ;) (yes, that was me on a trip to Corpus Christi several years ago). And not recalling most of that night. > Maybe I'll remember when I get my pictures back. better hope the last pic on the roll turns out to involve toothbrushes. no one broke into your hotel room, right? >Hmmm.... that little thread on real men... yeah, totally bogus. asking about "good men" is like asking about "good borg". interesting comments about Eminem- and I think his CD's would make excellent props in a remake of "Farenhiet 451". he needs to pace himself or he'll very quickly run out of people to piss off. later! Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 My friend Joe's animation site: http://home.satx.rr.com/lonebannana/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:17:45 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Yesterday 9/24/02 8:11 pm Hey really deep thinkers...I'll tell you about my day yesterday... So yesterday, I feel like the ice broke better with my new friends, Jamie, Sol, and Alley...we got to talkin' more and I'm gonna be less quiet today. I really hope it works out to where I can be in their kinda friends group that they call up to do stuff with, etc. because I would really like that. In my english class I really wanted to ask this guy that wrote the Alias assignment on me if I could have his paper because I thought it was great...but I felt a little intimidated by him so I just asked Ms. Taylor if she could ask...she did and I never got an answer, I didn't wanna go ask her because then he'd know who I was and I felt kinda shy or embarrassed about it. Right now I'm sitting next to someone I'm kind of attracted to but I don't wanna go out with him...it was just be really cool to flirt with him. He just looked at my computer screen and I held my breath and I have butterflies that he might be reading this right now. Gotta go imediately. PEACE Julie H. 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