RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1720

RDT Right Now #1720

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1720 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Re: RDT Right Now #1709 [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] Re: RDT Right Now #1710 [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] droopy poop on a stick and birthday [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Porn! [ Jim <jimphynn@mindspring.com> ] Looking forward to an early night [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] Birthday Chain Letter [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] happy fluffy replies and stuff! [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] weekend! [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] Bethey [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] randomness [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] have a holly jolly christmas [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] gabba gabba hey, gabba gabba hey! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Ridiculous. [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] all over the place [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] Finally! [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 27th in 1993, the Tori interview from the first issue of Upside Down is posted. Tori (on the day she auditioned for the Peabody): Anyway, I remember getting together my repertoire and feeling like this was a really big deal. You know when you are a little kid, imagine when trying out for little league or something. You know that your life could change if you got this thing, whatever it was. I sensed that maybe these people would understand where I was going and we could all make music together. It could be like the greatest fun that ever was... Also, members were discussing David Sylvian, more lists of fave music artists/songwriters were posted, Tori's appearance on 'Night after Night', the SATY video, and a bunch of people unsub. In 1994, musicians and nudity, a comical interpretation of Space Dog, the various versions of the God single, and more comparisons between LE and UTP. In 1995, Higher Learning. In 1998, pussy. In 1999, more comments on TVAB, members post in response to another members parental problems, meet and greets, and babies, birth and breastfeeding. In 2001, more comments on SLG, and more posts about the forwarded email. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 28th in 1992, a member posts that the LE video is due for release in November, and Tori's tour and A Man Called E. In 1993, more lists of favourite music artists/songwriters, and a member posts Tori's story about meeting Neil: [...] He called me up, and he goes, "I got this tape from somebody, and I don't think it's half bad. (laughter) Also, liking Tori forever regardless of future releases, liking or not liking Tori because of her clothes and other non-music stuff, and all the Aarons on the list (we really do seem to have phases... sometimes it's Aarons, sometimes it's Beths, sometimes it's Megans...). In 1994, the 'white horses' line and ee cummings, the exploitation/empowerment thread (nudity and musicians), Space Dog, and reviews. In 1997, a member posts the 'Suppose Edgar Allan Poe used a computer' forward. In 2001, Toriphile pick-up lines, and more post-Sept 11 stuff. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 29th in 1992, an article from the Sept 28th St. Louis Post-Dispatch is posted: "That's the same with myself: I had to go and watch what I wasn't admitting. And I wasn't admitting many things. So I started to admit things to myself, and writing these songs was just kind of my way. I wasn't trying to make a record. I was just trying to survive." In 1993, a member posts a transcript of Tori section of "The Atlantic Story" from BBC 1: [...] My father, you know, he says to me "You should be very happy I'm a minister, what would you have written about if I were a dentist?" [ end of 'Crucify' fade out here ] And I say "Well, you know, you have a point Dad. At the same time I feel like I have a responsibility to get in there and expose what I think has been pretty manipulative." So he says "Awh, awh. You're a grown woman now, I don't want to get involoved in this." So, in England, I think, people are more open to hearing about this. In 1994, more Space Dog. In 1998, six degrees of Tori, rap, and Tori and drugs. In 1999, more thoughts on TVAB, a revival of the elements theory, non-drinking lifestyle, and reviews. In 2001, Toriphile pick-up lines. To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:56:05 -0500 From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1709 hello again! (and I finally get it, I promise it will stop) Question for Bethey, Bethany, and other Pennsylvania EWFs: is there really a town called Carbon Creek? ;) Cyndi wrote: > Subject: puppy dogs and hummingbirds Instead of snakes, why can't there be cults that worship these? ;) > I've gotten a few emails (I won't > say from who) asking me to try to cut down on quoting the people I > respond to, so I'm going to try to do just that.. :) just ignore them. don't let them get to you ;) > Simon said: "Did you know that blue pepsi is made at the new bottling > facility near the Ukranian city of Pripyat?" > yeahhhh dude, and coca cola is--most of it at least--bottled > right here in good ol' Atlanta? :D I was trying to comment on the crap factor of pepsi- Pripyat is the (now abandoned) city near the Chernobyl nuclear plant. How do you cook chicken Kiev? Hold it out the window! and what was used to clean up the place after the accident? Mop and Glo. Bethey- that was a very moving account of the Sept. 11th tributes in your town. hey lavs- do you realize how hectic things might be with Tiarna and her younger sibling having birthdays only a month apart? ;) And if you're having trouble thinking of names, how about an RDTRN Name the Baby Contest? ;) later! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:31:10 -0500 From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1710 It's me again! beth wrote: > Subject: I will not be afraid of women It's men you should worry about. >I tend to make closer friendships with men than women, It's called "Know your enemy". cyndi- neat poem (using bits from tori songs). welcome back jessica! linda (good to see you back too) wrote: > I mean, if someone wants to blow up a bridge, why do > they need a van? Have you seen the size of the trunks > on Hondas? Even if a large bomb can't be carried in one small car, what's to stop a group of terrorists from using several cars to get bomb components past security checkpoints and assembling the bomb closer to the intended target? Beyond that, it's a real possibility that so-called "suitcase nukes" exist, meaning that something as powerful as the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki can be easily carried in that same single car trunk. If a group of terrorists are trying to sneak the parts for a bomb past security, just what would security people be looking for? Some really nasty explosives can be made from otherwise innocuous and easily available items. thanks for the input on continuted use of depression meds vs. seeing if one doesn't need them anymore. bethany wrote: > do you think tori has had plastic surgery? of course not. For it is impossible to improve upon perfection. later! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:37:03 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: droopy poop on a stick and birthday cakes. MEGAN!! SUCCUBUS BARBIE!! haaaa! happy birthday!! :) enjoy being 19 cuz dude, that's the LAST YEAR that you're a teen.. ENJOY IT. sure, sure, it's not as big of a deal as turning 21 or whatever, but still, I was scared of turning 20 when I was 19.. so.. like I said.. ENJOY STILL BEING A "TEENAGER" WHILE YOU CAN. got it? :D it's 7AM. I'm supposed to be in bed sleeping and about to wake up.. why am I not doing that?? :P dang it. anyway, on with the replies I must go! Beth let us know why the tour date info was getting posted in here.. thanks for explaining! :) I liked seeing it cuz hey, I'm going when Tori comes to Atlanta, WOOHOO! :D *grin* Jessica talked about Tori's performing in her city being on her birthday as well as her dad's birthday, and going alone, etc.. well.. bring your dad along! and er.. thanks for your perspective on the point of having pubic hair.. very interesting. lol.. Ade on guys saying "faggot" and things: "In high school, most guys are like that. They really don't think about what they're saying, they just say things that they think make them cool. Well, girls are the same way too, I guess it's a teenager thing." everybody wants to be accepted as a part of the crowd--particularly in middle and high school. I'm glad I grew out of that.. now I wanna stand out and be noticed! I dare you guys to guess what I'm gonna do on Halloween. I DARE YA! :D Ade on bendy figurines: "They should make little Tori bendies, complete with a little piano... that would be so cool..." would the piano be bendable too? :D Simon to me: "congrats to cyndi on becoming an aunt :)" thank you thank you thank you! :) Bailey is getting BIG now.. she went to the doctor yesterday and they weighed her and she is now eight pounds and 14 ounces.. she's getting heavy! lol.. Simon on Tori's new album: "how can one be anything *but* inpatient?" maybe it's a sense of "oh it's months off.. I'm not getting excited JUST YET." to save energy for the actual month of the release? I'm not excited about it yet, but I am looking forward to it quite eagerly, if you get what I mean. :) Simon on Tori kicking ass on a cathedral organ in a church and in Heaven: "imagine the look on the faces all the bible thumpers arriving there, finding that the music of the afterlife is tori's ;)" they'd pass out from the shock of seeing her sing "God" with God in the audience nodding His head and tapping His fingers on His chair to the beat, I bet ya. :D Simon on kids requesting Avril instead of Britney: "better yet, would be for them to be listening to tori :)" well.. yeah, but hey they're only 9-10 years old. Tori isn't for the young-in's.. not quite anyway.. I think Avril is a good stepping stone to Tori though.. when those kids turn 13 (at the youngest) then they can go back to Borders or the other music shop and demand their copies of LE, UTP, BFP, FTCH, TVAB, SLG, and SW. :D Simon then talked about his feelings of 9-11 and asked if he is a hypocrite for generally disliking violence, and yet wanting VENGANCE for what happened.. well.. I've wondered the same thing myself because I was FURIOUS when 9-11 happened. amidst all the shock I was feeling, I was PISSED OFF.. and I'm not really a violent person.. but I was vehemently wanting us to find the mastermind of the attacks and drag the bastard by the ears all the way back here to be subjected to all of the families of the victims getting a chance to boot him in the ass at the least. I have to say that I don't think you're a hypocrite tho.. you're just feeling a sense of (as Tori put it, I believe) personal invasion and reacting to that. being invaded on a personal level, whether it's rape, being smacked upside the head one time too many by a bully, robbery of a home, or 9-11, can do strange things to even the mildhearted people. glad that my explanation of my feelings of 9-11 (feeling jaded thanks to the media sensationalism and the commercializing of it) helped you explain your own feelings, Simon. Simon showed some disappointment in Lance Bass not making it into space in the end.. well keep hope alive, Simon--he said "if I can't go this time, I'm gonna go next time." Simon to me on my comment of "you'll fall asleep first before ODing" on weed: "Now was this something you read about or is your knowledge firsthand? ;)" it's something I've read about and asked people who have firsthand experience with it about.. I can't smoke--I have asthmatic AND sinus-related allergic reactions to smoke, actually. Julie told us that she felt some ice break with her new friends that she eats lunch with.. YAY! keep it up! :) it is now 7:30. I need to go to bed and get four more hours of sleep.. so on that note, I bid you pretty people adieu, adieu...... or something. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:37:00 -0400 From: Jim <jimphynn@mindspring.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Porn! Cyndi asks about late-night porn on Skinemax: > I've seen that while flipping through channels.. is that "real >porn" or is it all soft and like more "erotica" than PORN? *curious but >not gonna look on Skinemax myself to find out.. o_O* It's stuff that was on Playboy or pay-per-view about a year before. Use your own judgment as to whether this is porn or erotica or whatever, but, it's got cheesy music, unrealistic dialogue, and a plot (if you would call it that) that effectively is designed to get the characters fucking for no apparent reason other than the place, time, and opportunity to do so. All women in these films wear G-strings, and there is ample T & A. I think it's funny that they all star the same five "actors/actresses." And finally, there's Succubus Megan's response to my response: >I don't know if I overreacted or not. Honestly. I'm not sure. Your post >led to much confusion and disquiet for a good 5 minutes there. All I can say to this comment is, I got the impression that you overreacted. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me to go to hell. Tell me to go fuck myself, but that's how I read your words. >Of course there's always stuff to find out about a person. I'm not mad at >him that he kept some stuff to himself. I wouldn't be mad at him if he kept >the fact that he had a girlfriend to himself IF it wasn't for the fact that >he acted as though he did _not_ have a girlfriend when around me. And it may have been foolish of him to think you wouldn't have found out; I'm not arguing that point. But how exactly do you come out and broach this subject? It's not exactly the kind of thing you can go about advertising. (Plus, if he was really questioning his relationship with her, that could mean that he needs/needed you to help him realize that there are other, better women out there. >I believe that once you have someone that you can officially consider a >'boyfriend' or 'girlfriend', one should not flirt with other people. >However, there >are 2 exceptions to this rule: > >1. Your girlfriend/boyfriend knows you like to flirt and doesn't mind. > >2. The person who you are flirting with _knows_ that you are merely being >a flirt and are not actually interested in persuing a more-than-just-friends >relationship. All right everyone! Poll time! This is a two-parter: First: read Megan's rules above. Do you agree or disagree with these rules? Why? Second: define flirting. Have you ever flirted with someone and not even realized you were doing it until you were well into it? Have you ever flirted with someone either in a position or at a time that you knew was inappropriate. (i.e., flirting with the bride or groom at a wedding, at a funeral, etc...) To be fair, I suppose I should answer this myself. I've already said that I flirt often. When I think about the way I flirt, the first thought that comes to my mind is the fact that, when I shake someone's hand, I'll do it differently if the person is a man or a woman. With men, I'll take the traditional firm grip and squeeze. With women, I'll actually cup both hands around their hand, and give a warm, yet comforting grasp. It's not sexual; it just stems from the fact that I acknowledge that I treat men and women like equals, but still acknowledge that I like different things about the men around me, as opposed to the women. I flirt unknowingly. Not deceptively, mind you. I try to be friendly to all new people. That generally turns into harmless flirting when the new person is a woman. >Alex broke both those rules and thus I found myself feeling extremely >manipulated. And I'm not saying you shouldn't feel the way you do; (And I'm definitely not the person who should be saying anything about what you should "feel" in any situation. Jenn and I often joke that it's easier to ski through a revolving door than it is to get me to reveal my emotions.) I just don't see what he did that caused this reaction in you. When, along the lines of your flirting with him/his flirting with you, could you imagine actually fitting the "oh, by the way, I've got a girlfriend but things aren't going very well with her right now" speech? >After all, the airbrushed models never have a chance to respond to >how much you like them, while the flirtee has that chance. I had my picture taken one time with Miss November 1994, Viktoria Zdrok. I told her how much I liked her.... >(I was so shy with guys during highschool, it was almost one of >those psychological things) Somehow the idea of a "shy" succubus just strikes me as funny. :D >and when he actually told me that he did, I freaked out because guys >were new to me and still are. I've got news for you, babe. Just as girls will always be new to me, guys will always be new to you. It's all about what you don't know firsthand. >I don't think I would have reacted to the flirting nearly so >strongly had he mentioned the slight fact that he was taken prior to the flirting. "Taken." Interesting choice of words. Implies that he's property, doesn't it? >I probably would've been deeply disturbed that he had never mentioned her >to me while flirting (<--- My main problem here) When could he have? "Hey, there's a beautiful moon out tonight, wanna go for a walk? Oh, and, by the way, I'm seeing a girl named Crystal." Ummmmmmmm......... >but I'd probably have tried to cheer him up about it first and been >all supportive for a week until telling him how disturbed I was. ...or by the end of that week, you might have forgotten how disturbed you were and brushed it completely under the table..... >I think flirting is a step below cheating. Not as bad, certainly, but still >kinda morally wrong. But the thing is, I don't have the experience >to question >the taboos properly. I don't think it's that close to cheating. I've flirted with women (and they've flirted back) when it was known up front that there was no attraction, any potential relationship would last for a shorter time period than a Dove bar in a blast furnace, or there was something else precluding any chance of flirting becoming anything else. (And those could have been my rules, or her's). >I just really don't like it when people are less than truthful to me about >important things and I think relationship status is one of them. But if it was on shaky grounds to begin with, he might have been looking for an out, without admitting as much. >I think, therefore I am, that's true. What reality am I truly in? What is >this world really like, outside my limited perception? You're in the reality that you've designed for yourself. Think along the lines of "selective hearing." People who only hear what they want to hear. That's not insane, just self-serving. Now think of the most painful (physical or emotional) time in your life. Can you really explain it? Describe it? How well do you really remember it? We tend to forget intense pain. The way I figure it, the two most intense moments of pain in a person's life are the moment of birth, and the moment of death. We don't really remember either one, do we? For women (who choose to have children, that is), the third most intense pain is when she is bearing those children. If we truly remembered the pain of childbirth, no one would ever have more than one child. Along a similar philosophical line to what you're asking is, think of anything we can sense: I can say that the walls around me are blue, that the flowers outside smell like roses, that the food I'm eating tastes like chocolate, and the main instrument in "Caught a Lite Sneeze" is a harpsichord. You could see, smell, taste, and hear the same things and agree with me. This is our shared experience talking. Now give me your eyes, nose, tongue, and ears and let me see, smell, taste, and hear them. Would I recognize the colors, smells, tastes, and sounds? Very possibly, I wouldn't. I've wondered this for a while. I think it all started when I wondered if my orgasms feel the same as my partners' orgasms do. I've decided that it's not physically possible for them to feel exactly the same, so what else is different? People who see people who aren't there, hear things that aren't making sounds, etc., are either labelled schizophrenic or drug-addicts. That's society talking. Pure and simple. Even in non-democracies, it's a majority rule with regard to what's acceptable and what isn't. It dictates societal norms and mores, it dictates what we consider aesthetically pleasing and what isn't. There was an old Twilight Zone episode called "The Eye of the Beholder." Everyone's faces were hidden until the end, but the bottom line is a woman who considered herself ugly was going through plastic surgery to beautify herself. The doctors expressed cautious hope for her. When they removed her bandages, she looked kind of like Marilyn Monroe, and the doctors started cursing that they had failed. That's when we saw what everyone else looks like: pig-like noses, rounded faces and off-kilter features. In this society, apparently, what we consider attractive and unattractive were at exact odds with what they did. It ultimately boils down to efforts to assimilate into society. That's why culture shock, when one travels abroad, is so frequently experienced. Are Americans used to or familiar with the fact that the Russians have no concept of personal space, that in central Africa, it's both acceptable and expected that women not wear clothing above the waist, that the French don't bathe frequently, ........ When it comes down to it, there's a question which we all have to ask ourselves as we stand ready to become adults: how much do we want to maintain our individuality, and how willing are we to do what society wants us to do? Is it possible to blend into society without losing some of our individuality? May we change things as we feel necessary? That's what Nash did in A Beautiful Mind. What makes things real? It's because *you* make them real. You are still your own guide. When you do a good thing, take and appreciate the credit for it. When you mess up, admit it and move on. That's all any of us can do. And it has served its purpose for far greater men and women than I... Jim -- Jim Goldman jimphynn@mindspring.com ICQ: 6380342 www.mindspring.com/~jimphynn ---------------------------------------------------------------- "I get good advice, if you will, from their people, based upon how we are doing business and how we are operating, over and above the normal, by-the-books auditing arrangement." -- Dick Cheney, in a video for Arthur Andersen -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:44:48 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Arty Turners Walk" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Looking forward to an early night jessica typed: >so guys, what's the point for a female to have pubic hair or is that the >*real* reason you want us to shave it off? urgh. Well, I guess it would then be their turn to deal with lips ripped to shreds from the stubble. Simon typed: >lavs- so it's one month and counting? Well, now it's just under 3 weeks. And I finally got the baby's room sorted out today, and bag packed, so I'm all set except I haven't fixed up another tape to play during delivery... need to borrow a stereo with cassette deck. >hmmm.... Brian wasn't in Newcastle back in February, was he? ;) No, and while I was in Syd in late January, a) I didn't catch up with him and b) it was really too early even for me to catch anything off the train seats. Oh Coops, while we're speaking about you... Glenn got to drive one of the trains around Newcastle today. And the seats are fabric unlike the leather we get), so I can't imagine the hygene situation of them improving. Squiggly patterned too, should hide the love juices. I've finally got a copy of this mock chain letter that I wanted to send in like two months ago because I thought it was quite relevant to something that was said here... and of course couldn't find it at the time and now can't remember what it was supposed to be relevant to! But stay tuned... X Lavs -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:27:48 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Arty Turners Walk" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Birthday Chain Letter [I originally found this as a birthday card that I got for a friend of mine about 6 years ago. Sometime after that I typed it up and sent it out to a few people, so you may have come across this as a Forward. It had something about 'For womens eyes only', but there's no point in that for this list :) ] This letter was started for women like yourself in the hopes of bringing relief to other tired and discontented women. Unlike most chain letters, this one does not cost anything, just send a copy of this letter to five of your friends who are really frustrated. Then bundle up your husband or boyfriend and send him to the woman whose name appears at the top of the list and add your name to the bottom of the list. When your name comes to the top, you will receive 6 827 men. One of them is bound to be a hell of a lot better than the one you already have. Do not break this chain - one woman broke this chain and got her son-of-a-bitch back. At this writing a friend of mine already received 384 men. They buried her yesterday, but it took three undertakers 36 hours to get the smile off her face and two days to get her legs together so they could close the coffin. Hurry up and send this letter along so my name can move up! Happy birthday (well it would be Happy Birthday, Happy Easter, Happy Valentines Day and Merry Christmas all rolled into one!) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:35:10 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: happy fluffy replies and stuff! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MEGAN!!!!!!!!!! did you get my present yet? cyndi said: > it's almost 2PM and I just woke up about 20 minutes ago and >I'm >totally draggin'.. poo. draggin' poo again, eh? well, i guess those fields needed to be fertilized anyway... :D >rofl oh and you ever hear that joke >about this chick who goes into the emergency room.. and has appendicitis >and so the nurse undresses her and sees her pubic hair dyed green and a >tattoo that says "keep off of the grass" and then the nurse had to shave >some of it and wrote on the surgical dressing "sorry, had to mow the >lawn." ? rofl.. wow. as far as i know, they don't shave pubic hair when performing appendectomies. they didn't do it to me anyway. plus, the incision is at least 4 inches above the... *notices everyone giving her horrified looks* ahem... sorry. there i go ruining a good joke. it was funny though! dude... green pubic hair... brian said to megan: >Be the succubus you >proclaim to be - eat his soul. all right, everybody sing along! iiiiiiiiiiii waaaaaaaaaaaaaaant your sooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuulllllllllll, iiiiiiiiiii will eeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaat your sooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuulllllllllll... come to daddy, come to daddy... julie said: >Hey really deep thinkers, sometimes I think it is 10 million times easier >to >make a best friend over the internet than to make one face to face...I'm >telling you...it really works better. i agree. i've made so many friends on the internet, and while i don't know if they're who they claim to be or just posers, it's still fun talking to them. meanwhile, in reality, i'm extremely shy and quiet and have issues with social situations. however, as for "best" friends, i love my "real-life" friends the best. i favor them above all others. though after my "real" friends, my rdtrn friends are next in line :) >I'm a better writer than I am a >talker at times...I open up myself better through writing. that's exactly how i am. i can type reeeeeeeally long emails and livejournal posts, but i can barely hold a conversation. phew! must get the room clean for when my family visits tomorrow... and read 3 chapters of "sex and gender" for the exam on monday... -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:49:05 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: weekend! a few more replies! yay! also, i'm *thinking* of making a tori doll as part of my sculpture project (along with hedwig, a neanderthal, annie the goddess of bad weather, and possibly a big bunny rabbit). i'm making them out of plastic bottles and random objects. i'm trying to make a really diverse group, and tori is pretty "different..." winterlion: >*deepsigh* I'll -never- >look like one of those prettyboys I never did anyways. doesn't matter, we love you! you're fuzzy! fuzzyboys are... cuddly! yeah! you can go around hugging people and flirting and being all lovable... yay you! regarding blowjobs and pubic hair (warning: TMI ahead): well... i've never given a blowjob and don't intend to unless i end up marrying a guy i REALLY REALLY love who will take a shower and thoroughly wash his thingy before it comes anywhere NEAR me... i have an aversion to male genitalia and a tremendous gag reflex. but if i ever find a guy like that, i'll make him shave first. i personally think pubic hair is disgusting and pointless. of course, if he wanted me to be hairless too (he'd *better* be up for some cunnilingus if he wants fellatio...), i'd be up for shaving. i've only, um, done that once, and it was really *interesting* simon said: > > *** Six Inches Forward And Five Inches Back digest *** >sounds like a rush hour traffic jam. yes, it's that angry inch between bumpers that really makes a difference... -ade -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:42:27 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Bethey Betheyyyy! yay! happy birthday! :D I've got the bloody hiccups.. and no RDTRN to make me feel better. *sob* rofl.. eh whatever. it'll come. I HAVE FAITH IN YOUUUUU.. rofl.. ever seen one of those cheesy movies where everybody saying that kinda stuff was what made the hero succeed? lol.. *shakes head* okay.. that's all I can think to ramble about.. later! :D OH! and who's got tickets to wherever on Tori's tour?? Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:47:14 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: randomness i just had a thought. penelope taynt from "the amanda show" looks just like a younger version of tori's "new age" persona. http://www.nick.com/amandaplease/about_me/index.jhtml if you don't know what i'm talking about... heh just had to share that... -ade -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:01:57 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: have a holly jolly christmas just waiting for my family to arrive... megan the decrepit geezer wrote: >But I'm going to be so OLD! 19, baby! An ancient hag with arthritis in >her knees and fog in her brain! Sob! I'm soooo >ooooolllldddddddd!!!!!!!!!!! yep, better watch out or those boobs will sag to your knees and your bum will balloon out so you'll have to occupy three chairs when sitting. brush your teeth so they won't fall out, and as long as you can remember your own name, things will be fine. bethey: congratulations on the play, you'll be splendiferous, and sorry to hear about bunny... :( but hopefully buddy will be a great pet! i used to have gerbils, and they were fun (though i HATED cleaning the cage...). simon said (regarding megan): >report stalker boy to the police asap. what he's doing is way out of line >and you need to do whatever it takes to stop him. don't give in a >millimeter to his attempts to intimidate and frighten you. it seems you're mistaken, he's not threatening her at all. but if he WAS, your advice would be the right thing to do. she only really calls him "stalkerboy" because he keeps popping up at random and sometimes inconvenient times. apparently he backed off a bit after she let him know it was bothering her, so that's good. thanks for the concern, though. >you've got me picturing hardcore pagans trying to evangelize ;) Imagine if >they were around today: Pagan televangelists! that would be funny. picture a man and a woman in the middle of the woods wearing bathrobes, holding up quartz crystals and saying (in southern accents), "praise da lawd! and da lady!" arija, you lucky bitch! :) parents should be here any minute. bye! -ade -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:32:54 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: gabba gabba hey, gabba gabba hey! Megan said: "But I'm going to be so OLD! 19, baby! An ancient hag with arthritis in her knees and fog in her brain! Sob! I'm soooo ooooolllldddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!" HA!! How do you think *I* feel?? I'll be 21 soon and I've got arthritic shoulders!! rofl.. let's go pack up and head to the nearest old folks' home! we'll have a blast! :D Lavs said: "Cyndi typed: Hurrah for you, Lavs! Now you'll finally have your chance to see her, down...." that weren't ME! that were Megan!! okay, THAT were me. ---> "Red Dwarf.. more info please.. *poke*poke* please, please.. PRETTY PLEASE with a CHERRY ON TOP PLEAAAASE?" Lavs explained Red Dwarf to me.. thaaaaanks muchly! :) Jessica is all moved into her school: "i'm in a co-op with 60 other people and it's CO-ED!! BRING ON THE SEX, BABY!!!!!! uh, anyway. *composes self*" erm, just how many people does it take to have sex? :D I mean.. sixty other people.. isn't that a little bit big of a group? rofl.. Jessica gave me some advice: "cyndi, go rent porn. it rocks." uh, I will.. when I'm not STILL LIVING WITH MY PARENTS.. I swear I am so fucking paranoid when it comes to that business.. I downloaded this hentai music video to NIN's "Closer" and waited till 4AM (with headphones on) to watch it.. and even then I kept glancing over my shoulder to make sure no one came in. bad bad. Bethey, I'm *SO* sorry to hear about Bunnicula dying! doggone.. I hope that if you get another hamster, that it lives a nice long long life like Champers did.. *shakes head and reads on* oooh a gerbil! cute! I like gerbils! still, so sorry to hear about Bunny.. :( Julie: without starting a fight or anything, I suggest you confront that girl who keeps ratting you out over those headphones in class. Sure, sure, you really ARENT supposed to have 'em on during class and so on, but if that math class is so easy, you ought to be able to do what you want. Simon informed us: "Tori's version of "I don't Like Monday's" was played on tonight's episode of "The West Wing"." I SAW THAT PART!! loved it. :) Julie mentioned that she might be an assistant in an L.D. class.. yay! good luck! :) "***You Can't Play The Game Of Life With Sweaty Palms digest***" and it's pretty damn difficult to play SSX Tricky on PS2 with sweaty hands too! trust me, I *know*. lol and on that note.. *wipes hands off on jeans* later! :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:37:29 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Ridiculous. 9/28/02 7:34 pm Some people are just ridiculous on the toriamos.com message board. I'm a member there and so far I've seen really stupid things being said on it. Ok, someone posts a message talking about which Tori video you think is the worst, and then replies came back with awful remarks about how they hated some of her videos and I thought I was going to be sick. I mean, I don't mind criticism to videos, but they were acting like it was hurting their eyes to watch it - that's actually a quote from someone. I posted that this is a FAN Tori Amos board and we should be talking about the great things about her and not talking about things that are the worst or something...as if there are! I don't think any of Tori's videos are bad. About 63 days away until I see Tori in concert with my brother and his boyfriend in the 27th row! Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 PLEASE DONATE MONEY TO THE LISA LOPES AIDS SCHOLARSHIP at mtv.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: all over the place hey all... whooo-eee... I actually have free time, and I don't know what to do with myself. I should probably go to sleep soon because I'm getting up at 5:30 to go skydiving. don't ask how I got into that mess... let's just say that today was my oldest brother's thirtieth birthday. It'll be the first time that I'll have been in a plane... and I'm jumping out of it. I had venison tonight for dinner. I never thought I'd eat that. Daredevil-Linda all of a sudden. Must have been all the alcohol that possessed me to order that. And, I was also influenced by the fact that it was in a caramelized onion and baked apple sauce-- mm-mm-good! So here I am, drunk and watching porn on my older brother's computer. Good times, clean fun. Anyway, I had a whole bunch of dreams last night that I had a daughter, and for some reason, reading over the past two digests, it occurred to me that I wouldn't want a young girl listening to Tori. *don't shoot me for saying that* I also wouldn't want her listening to Britney, obviously, but I also think that Tori is too heavy with the sexuality for a young (and I mean, like, preteen) girl to be listening to. Some of her songs obviously wouldn't be a problem, but if I had a daughter, she wouldn't be listening to stuff like Blood Roses and Leather. Just wouldn't, no way. Not only do they mention more advanced things about sex (shaving, sucking, screaming), but they also give a very cynical vibe about sex in general. Girls have such a tough time understanding their sexuality as it is. When she's, say, 15 or 16, though, I'd have much less of a problem with her listening to music like Tori's. I started listening when I was 14, and I think that may have been a little young. I'm a total nympho now (without the low self-esteem part of true nymphomania). I'm obsessed with sex. I don't know how much Tori influenced that, but I know that she had at least some impact-- I want to make sure that my daughter (or son) would be prepared for that kind of information before receiving it through any kind of media. I hope that I'm a good enough parent one day to really introduce these things properly, so that my kid can listen to music and watch tv and read books and see movies and not have it effect him or her in any kind of weird way that makes that poor person either afraid of sex or sickly obsessed with it. Guh, I have no focus to anything I'm saying. Maybe what I'm trying to say is that I don't agree that Tori is necessarily a good role model for a young girl. Britney is more appealing to preteens, and easier to emulate (making her ultimately a terrible influence on kids), but I wouldn't say that she's a "better" or a "worse" role model than Tori is for the 14 and under crowd. Just a different kind of sexuality. Aaaand, I feel drunk. I'm going sleepytime now. Ah-this is not real-uh-this is not really happ-a-na-iiing. ~Linda~ (You bet your life it is.) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:05:45 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Finally! 9/29/02 12:04 pm Cyndi! I finally had the dream where I actually kissed David ("I'm Not In Love" guy). I don't know why I am so attracted to him but I am. He's a jerk, but for some reason I just crave him! 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