RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1731

RDT Right Now #1731

From: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:02:32 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1731
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1731 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o strange little concert sale dates [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] evermore urgency of action [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] new video [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ] Pathways [ "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> ] nope [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] gabba gabba hey! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Glory of the '80s [ "Logan, Deadra" <deadra.logan@tcb.a ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: strange little concert sale dates Cyndi posted: "Subject: original SLG songs" I adore Depeche Mode, so I obviously really like their original version of Enjoy the Silence. For me, though, it's like comparing apples and oranges when it comes to a lot of these original songs and Tori's remakes. She really did, in my opinion, *remake* most of them, which I suppose was what she was trying to do. Enjoy the Silence sounds very maternal when she sings it-- you just picture her holding her little girl as she sings it. The original version has none of that, but I think that it's a great song in its own way. Oh, and I'd never heard the Tom Waits version of Time before Tori sang it, but I like the song as he sings it as well. Then again, that was my favorite song on SLG, so maybe that's not entirely surprising. But yeah, try to see if that one grows on you. It definitely won me over. AND WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THE NYC CONCERT??!? Put the tickets on sale, PLEASE! It's making me all nervous. ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:23:10 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: evermore urgency of action Brian said: > When I coupled that with shaving the mo off, people said I looked > like Abraham Lincoln. That's not a good look. Basically, I think a beard and a mustache are a package deal. You should have both or neither. The mustache without the beard looks very "it's the early 1970s and I want people to know I'm hip, but I want to make sure they know I'm not a hippie." (this is why people in New Wave bands had no facial hair at all, so as not to be confused with the above, *or* with hippies.) The beard without the mustache just looks kinda creepy. > I was tickled when number 666 was called up to counter 7. *waits for Simon to mention Bill Gates* > While I was expecting someone like Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein > to turn up, it turned out to be a regular looking family. Those are the ones you have to watch out for. Lavs said: > A case could be put forward that it's the bunny that is > generating that laser That was *my* first thought when I saw the picture. Much much rain today, they say. As for Strange Little Girls, I made a tape (which I labeled "Crazy Paving") which leaves out "Heart of Gold" and "Happiness is a Warm Gun". It starts with "Strange Little Girl" and goes on from there, with the two exceptions I mentioned above, then at the end it circles back to the beginning again. Oh, and I left off "I'm Not in Love," too. I play it quite often. The issue to me isn't so much whether Tori's version is better than the original or not, it's whether I liked the song in the first place. Since she was picking the songs for reasons other than "oooh, that's a great song," some of them aren't that great, and re-interpreting them may have served her overall purpose, but it didn't make them any more enjoyable as individual songs. There's pretty much no hope of making "I'm Not in Love" anything other than what it is, for example. On the other hand, as usual, when she takes a *good* song, she can bring out aspects of it that weren't clear before. For example, her version of "I Don't Like Mondays" makes the original (which I loved at the time) sound very overdone and melodramatic. I still like Tom Waits' version of "Time" a little better, though Tori's is really good. As B/4, John -------------------- "this is a formula a master plot the issue is how best can we work on adventure determined legitimate questions about telling exactly where to put evermore urgency of action." -- from text 10/08/2002 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: new video I just saw the new Tori video, A Sorta Fairytale (yeah yeah, I know I'm supposed to remain a Scarlet's Walk virgin, but when else am I going to have the chance to see the video? Mtv's too much of a money grubbing whore to play anything good) and I dunno what to say. Upon seeing it, I was overcome with the urge to laugh hysterically until my throat stopped working. Legs! Tori! Hands! Man! Not very enthusiastic computer animation! I get the point of it. The 'love makes you complete' thing, but the video was made in such a way that I couldn't really take any underlying message seriously. Concerning the song itself, I'm not instantly in love with it, but neither was I in love with Bliss or Spark either. She always seems to pick the songs that I don't like to make singles of. Huh. And let's not even get started on Strange Little Girl. Feet. Head. Tori. Hippity Hop. Roman nose guy who may or may not be significant other. I just feel that the video could have been made so much better. And without the anvil metaphors that I'm growing so familiar with as a regular watcher of Buffy. ..Sigh... How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:06:55 -0400 From: "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Pathways Humans as well as many advanced mammals have this capacity to from mental pathways. We are programmed such that a specific sound automatically creates an emotional response. A pathway is created between the emotional part of the brain and the part that processes sound. A mother will automatically have an emotional response to her baby crying. Even when her baby is part of a group of other babies, she will be able recognize her baby 's cry over all the others and respond to her babies crying. I have developed a strong emotional pathway to my wife's voice. These pathways are a part of our everyday lives. I suspect somewhere in our primeval past, our ancestors developed methods to create emotional pathways by "song". Other animals do this all the time and it is known as mating calls. Early humans must have had mating calls. The "song" used by our ancestors conveyed the whole personality of the transmitter and attracted mates of similar personalities. These "songs" could be overwhelming as testified by the travelers on the Rhine River at the Lorilac and Ulysses and the Sirens. I suspect that as the vocal language was developed in recent times, the skill to generate these all-powerful "songs" got lost. Or were they lost? In March of 92 I was switching channels and hit MTV. Within a 10-second exposure to SATY, an intense emotional pathway was formed. A week later I had that wondrous irrational moment and purchase the LE tape. The first time through LE, only SALT had any response but within a few weeks pathways were formed for Winter, Happy Phantom, and Mother. 10 years later these Pathways have not gone away. However, no intense pathways were formed with the rest of the songs on LE for me. Some could be classified as a nice sound while others I never listen to or care to. The formation of pathways even on the same recording is a very personal thing and varies radically from person to person. The power of Tori is her ability to form intense pathways with her music. SATY formed the most intense pathway of any song in my life. For 10 years she keeps generating new music and generating new pathways. As part of the deal the listeners also develop an intense pathway toward Tori personally as testified by the crowds waiting for her before each show. There must be some secret science as to how much exposure is required to form pathways. Someone must have figured out how many times a listener must be exposed to a song before a pathway is formed. Videos use visuals to reinforce the pathways. Some songs create pathways almost immediately while others take several exposures (grow on you). Artists have complained that media critics listen to an album only once and write their review. There was not enough exposure to form pathways. Tori has the disadvantage that she gets little airplay and radio does little in generating new fans. Management for artists fight for airplay so that pathways can be formed. These pathways behave somewhat like the human sex act. With overuse the listener become first disinterested and then downright irritated. On my LE tape the pathway for SALY would never go away but the overrun into Precious Things became downright irritating. There seems to be some sort of quota system on the usage of these pathways. However, after reaching the point of irritation the listener quits listening to the song but there seems to be a residual pathway and can be reactivated in the future. However, irritation (saturation) is reach quickly the second time around. Every recording artist reaches the point where all of their music is at the disinterest state and they cannot generate new pathways. Their careers are done. The whole recording marketing business is based on forming pathways. Radio stations, MTV, VH1 all exist to offer "free" music and but their real purpose is to form pathways. If the pathway is intense enough the record companies hope that the listener will go through that wondrous irrational moment and purchase the recording. Recording artist are required to tour and along with making money the recording companies want the pathways intensified and expanded so that more recordings are sold. Access to free MP3's and methods to duplicate CD's to satisfy these pathways drives the recording companies up the wall as well. My favorite pastime is my visit to the Barnes and Noble record department. I listen to their selection of CD's and visit with my friends there. Each demo site has a little description of the artist and the album to buy on the spot. They are there for no other reason than to form pathways. Being cheap I fight off these pathways by listening to the recording to disinterest. For most of the recordings, this does not take long. Once in a blue moon I lose and suddenly undergo that wondrous irrational moment and scare the manager Kandi and actually purchase something. Last week it was Maia Sharp. This is another one of those Sunset Strip girls such as Tori and Joni. Her song Lightening sounds so much like Joni Mitchell that I swear Joni is singing it. Pathways are now being formed now for the other songs on the album. Residual pathways are a big business. 50 and 60's era stations are in each city. The whole album rock stations have been playing the same stuff since the 70's and will be as long as the baby boomers are still in economical power. (20 years from now it will be on the AM dial and heard coming from nursing home rooms. People will be crocking to the Doors.) They activate residual pathways and give a moment of joy. They do not want to overexpose a song. The last thing they want is irritation. Tori has been successful at changing the arrangement of a song already at the disinterest level and bread new life into it. As you can see, there are rational reasons for the irrational behavior we all undergo for Tori. Tori has gotten rich from those wondrous moments of irrationality when we reach for our wallet. In the 70's recording artist replaced movie stars in Beverly Hills for these rational reasons and these artist are still making money on residual pathways. Thousands of artists are hoping to find the formula for making pathways and only dream of Tori's success. Have to end. Jim Mathers jmathers@westol.com Footnotes: Got a photo of my granddaughter yesterday at -6 months. Next March I am getting something I dreamed about for years. Also getting my ticket to the Columbus concert. If anyone else from RDT is going to be there, let me know. These pathways are still intense and driving me to spend a weekend in Columbus. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:25:18 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: nope NO, it wasn't sent, SHIT! I seriously don't feel like writing it all over again! Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ Broadband?�Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:24:22 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT I JUST WROTE A LIKE 1,000 WORD E-MAIL TO RDTRN AND WHEN I PUSHED SEND, THE PAGE COULDN'T BE DISPLAYED, SO I PUSHED BACK AND THE ENTIRE THING WAS ERASED....ERR! SOMETIMES MY COMPUTER CAN BE SUCH A PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS! IT MIGHT'VE GOT SENT...BUT I DON'T THINK SO...HOPEFULLY IT WILL, BUT I DOUBT IT. ERR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:29:16 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: precious0147@yahoo.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: gabba gabba hey! what DOES "gabba gabba hey" mean anyway? I've only seen it on some old pic of the Ramones performing where someone held up a sign that said that.. lol.. random thought.. :D forgive me. lol -- Cyndi ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:02:22 -0500 From: "Logan, Deadra" <deadra.logan@tcb.aecom.com> To: Tori List <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Glory of the '80s I was in a record store yesterday and naturally, I started looking for Tori stuff. I found the Glory of the '80s single and since I didn't have it, I bought it. The only thing is, the second and third songs should be baker baker and winter, only instead, it is Famous Blue Raincoat and Twinkle. Those are from the Concertina Single, which I have. Is that weird or what? 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