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RDT Right Now #1740

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:44:27 -0800
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O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o little rubber snakes [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ] Reply to Julie H. and just a little [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] Tori Amos Ticket - Radio City Music [ SameOldAstronaut@aol.com ] and to quote Tori: 'Im such a ding-a [ MK <littlebluegrl@yahoo.com> ] boston globe article [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] sf examiner article [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] globe and mail articles [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] tori at cmj [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] circling down through white cloud [ "Ana Cristina Simon" <bellerose1978 ] Love Sweet Love!!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] here, i'll write it myself: Unidenti [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] Save water, drink beer [ Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net. ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: little rubber snakes Hola mes amies! I bought the 'limited' version of Scarlet's Walk yestereve....and so far I'm disappointed with it. The only song that I really really love on it is Wednesday. The good middle of the album isn't memorable at all and is the like the stuff they play on adult listening stations and in elevators and shopping malls. There's very little change. In the cd box, I found a tiny rubber snake instead of a keychain. How odd is that? The stickers are cute and I can respect the roadmap idea. But some of the songs are still *really* ungood in the fact that they're just bad copies of the other songs on her album. She needed a band on this album. A real band. So they could be slightly different. Sigh.... 3rd listen. Really don't like Crazy. Really really don't. I'll give a more complete review later on, after I've listened to it some more. Sigh. I really wanted to fall in love with this album. *sob* Young Teunis wrote: "If I were ever to describe myself as a fictional/fantasy character I think..." If I were to do that, I'd be Witch Baby, from the Weetzi Bat books by Francesca Lia Block. I feel like her alot; left out, different, not understandable. I just need the purple hair and rollerskate cowboy boots and I'm set. .... I went home this weekend and my mother really upset me. She was talking about how some people don't raise their kids strict enough and suddenly changed the subject to how, when I was a baby, people actually went so far as to stop their cars, open the window, and call out that I was a fat baby. What the fuck am I supposed to do, now armed with that information? Just by telling me that, I now feel utterly humiliated and severely ashamed. And she just started talking about this out of the blue. About how I was freakishly fat as an infant so that people would stop what they were doing and point. What the fuck am I supposed to do, knowing that now? And why the fuck did she have to tell me? ...She didn't even seem upset when I asked her why she started talking about that. What the fuck am I supposed to do, now? People were calling me fat when I was fucking six months old. One woman stopped driving her car to tell my mother that. What the fuck am I supposed to do? How am I to react? Why did she tell me this? Did it bother her? Did she stop to think that maybe the blithely mentioned evidence of my being *born* fat might have upset me? The fact that my chromosomes doomed me to being naturally inclined to gain weight in a world where the constant harassment of the obese is not only commonplace, but culturally accepted? What time are we upon and where to I belong? And why do I even bother with trying to lose weight? With making friends? With writing stories and poems when a great, great many will only judge me by how I look and not by the quality of my character? Strangers stopped and stared when I was a baby and started the discrimination even then. Mom told me that one woman stopped, reached down and pinched my thigh hard enough to leave a red mark, and then commented on how fat my thighs were while I cried in the stroller because she pinched hard enough to leave a red mark. Mom told me these things (for the first time ever, mind you, and very lightly, like she was discussing the weather) and talked about how she yelled at the strangers afterwards. Well good for her, but what the fuck was she thinking? That this wouldn't mean something to me? What the fuck am I to do? Why the fuck does anything I do matter if will always be judged by the number of pounds I carry around? And why the fuck would my mom tell me how I was so fat as a baby that people had to stop and look? I'm repeating myself. I'm not sorry. Fucking hell. Just what am I supposed to do? I fucking hate the world. I hate it. I fucking hate it all. Just who goes out of their way to insult an infant? How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:19:23 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: <julieh214@hotmail.com> Cc: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Reply to Julie H. and just a little on my last performance. Julie Said: >>Beth, what do you mean by this? I don't understand what you're telling me...: "Julie H.: I have a whole essay on "Believe" which outlines my philosophy. You can go to bethcoulter.com (or hit the link in sig) and then hit the link for "Meaning of Believe" below the fairy picture."<< Either you or someone else who I thought was you asked folks on the list to talk about their beliefs on life, etc. Over a year ago I wrote a post about what I believe as far as life, death and tolerance go, and put it on my website. There is a link to read it below the main site pic at the top of the page. The picture is from the movie "A Fairy Tale". It is a fairy flying above a human hand and it says "Believe". I didn't mean to confuse you. I just got home a little while ago from my third and final performance of "Five Women Wearing the Same Dress". When I get half a chance, I'll post some pictures of it, and when I get the review, I'll post it for y'all to see. But what I can tell you is that is it was a 90% full house on average for the three day run, and we got partial Standing Ovations all three times. It was a lot of fun, but my back and knees (not to mention bust) ache from having to carry 5 yards of Peach satin with 7 layers of skirts and underskirts, all supported by my chest (so off the shoulder it might as well have been sleeveless). It didn't help that I lost 5 lbs. during tech week so everything barely fit. I ended up pinning my petticoats to my pantyhose and my bodice to my strapless bra (the Styrofoam wonder I call it). The costume designer said that my bra looked like he could punch me in the "boob" and break his knuckles. I also enjoyed teaching the other girls in the cast about body glitter and blush between your breasts to make cleavage magically appear. I got quite a few compliments and laughs at all the right places, so I am going to guess that I successfully captured the role. We'll see what the reviewer says. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com ^^ This is the link for my webpage^^ If you put your cursor on it and click, you will be magically transported to my webpage where you can read my thoughts, poetry, see pictures of me and my family and all sorts of other stuff (like read my Tori sTories). You may even run across the link that tells the story of how I got backstage by having Tori's bodyguard tell her that "Beth Coulter is here and wants to see you." -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:14:01 EST From: SameOldAstronaut@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Tori Amos Ticket - Radio City Music Hall - 3/06/03 Hello I have a single ticket for Tori Amos' scheduled performance at Radio City Music Hall on 3/06/03, and am willing to sell it. The seat is located in the in ORCH 3, ROW FF. Contact me if you're interested in purchasing this ticket. Thank you -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: MK <littlebluegrl@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: and to quote Tori: 'Im such a ding-a-ling' Ugh, Recovering here from a nasty spill that happened to me last night... let me tell you guys: KARMA is a SERIOUS THING! :) I was trying to look into my nasty neighbors place that lives behind me and has been tormenting me by calling the police on me whenever I make any slight noise (including hammering a nail into the wall)... last night while I was taking a walk... and then *BOOM* i fell. apparently there is a step along the sidewalk that is hard to see at night since there are NO LIGHTS! ugh. so i scraped my knees, ripped my jeans, and scraped my leather coat... the worst part was that i cracked my knee when i fell, and it was swollen and now its hard to walk... and my wrist is sore too. i was *so* caught off guard i didnt even save myself too much. i hit the sidewalk with my chin too. ugh. luckily there are no scrapes there! ;) i was in a daze a bit.. it was a very strange day to say the least.. oh and to refer to the subject line: Im a dingaling since I misquoted 'your cloud'... sorry guys! ;( so let's try that again, i love the melody where she sings: 'if the rain has to separate, from itself, does it say "pick out your cloud?"' so anyways it sounds great and its also just such a great concept. Tori is simply a lyrical genius in this one. ahh back to work now.. hope everyone is doing well and enjoying the new CD as much as me! :) faery hugs! littlebluegrl ===== ' If I had some interesting quip to say, it would be here.. ' __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:52:02 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: boston globe article <url: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/305/living/_Walk_is_a_special_journey_for_Amos +.shtml > ROCK NOTES 'Walk' is a special journey for Amos By Steve Morse, Globe Staff, 11/1/2002 A ''sonic novel'' - that's what Tori Amos calls her new album, ''Scarlet's Walk.'' It's a challenging, often brilliant concept record that follows a woman's travels across America. It's a chance for Amos to encounter everything from the porn industry to Native Americans, Boston intellectuals, a Southern manic-depressive, a Latin revolutionary, a Messiah figure, and a wild romantic named Crazy. It's an entertaining, informative story framed by Amos's theatrical vocals and jazzy, pop-rock piano melodies. And there will be more to come in a secret code provided on each CD that will be updated during Amos's national tour, which includes a stop at the Tsongas Arena in Lowell on Nov. 19 with her three-piece band. ''The secret code will take you here and there during the whole tour, so the record will continue to live,'' says Amos. It uses a Web site that will allow fans to visit ''Scarlet's Web,'' featuring a map of Scarlet's journey, as well as a map tracing Native American historical sites (from Hopi Nation to Wounded Knee and the Trail of Tears) and a map of Amos's new tour itself. Amos, who is part Cherokee, got the idea for the album after listening to Americans talk about the aftermath of 9/11, which reminded her of the poignant stories that her grandfather would tell about how his mother left the Trail of Tears and fled into the Smokey Mountains. The name Scarlet not only references Scarlet O'Hara from ''Gone with the Wind,'' but applies to how Native Americans call their spiritual path the ''red road.'' ''I love how the word Scarlet weaves together with so many things,'' says Amos. ''It's a thread.'' The new album climaxes with the song ''Scarlet's Walk,'' where Scarlet is ''at a point where she has gone deep enough to realize that America has a shadow ... but until we see a shadow, we're not who we want to be.'' One song is particularly striking: ''I Can't See New York,'' which was written before 9/11 but is an eerie foreshadowing of it: ''I can't see New York as I'm circling down through white clouds ... I can't seem to find my way out of this hunting ground.'' The songs just come to her, says Amos: ''All I'm trying to do is be a good secretary. ... I just take them down by dictation.'' The album subtly cites a lot of parallels between how Americans felt after last year's terrorist attacks and how Native Americans felt after their land was invaded. ''Being on tour at the time, I was going from state to state and I really began to see what it was stirring up in people,'' Amos says. ''America became personified when people saw her wounded and burning. That's much more of a Native American concept, of looking at America as a being and as a soul that we need to take care of, rather than just taking a narcissistic viewpoint. I was really impressed with how people were looking into each other's eyes and really relating.'' -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:59:37 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: sf examiner article <url: http://www.examiner.com/ex_files/default.jsp?story=X1030TORIw > Publication date: 10/30/2002 Going on 'Scarlet's Walk' BY TOM LANHAM Special to The Examiner All heads in the Nob Hill restaurant turn when Tori Amos strolls in, wearing stiletto heels, flared jeans and chiffon blouse, her long locks tumbling past her shoulders. But the singer is oblivious to the stares. She's on a mission, possibly the most important of her decade-plus career (except for the rape-victim helpline/counseling service she launched several years ago.) Speaking in a whisper so soft it's often inaudible, she outlines the message she's trying to convey on "Scarlet's Walk," her 17-trackCD on Epic that hits stores this week. It begins with great news. After three miscarriages, Amos gave birth to a daughter, Natashya, two years ago. And with her new role as mom, she says, "I think I left that place by the fire, the place of womanhood as 'me first, my needs, my sexuality' to begin to give back ... That's what I got out of nurturing her, realizing that you must pass the torch. What kind of world is she going to be living in if I keep my eyes closed?" Today, the North Carolina-born, Cherokee-blooded pianist lives in Cornwall, England. But on a bus tour of the States last year backing her all-covers album "Strange Little Girls," she started taking the pulse of her old homeland. She began researching how post-9/11 America was feeling, from state to state, city to city. On the basis of dialogue heard in roadside diners, casual conversations with strangers and old friends, and interaction with spiritual elders from disparate Native American tribes, Amos drew up maps of a crippled country, and an imaginary -- yet semi-autobiographical -- character named Scarlet to traverse it. It's quite a journey, from the opening chat with an aging porn star, "Amber Waves," to religious, mythological themes in "Pancake," "Mrs. Jesus" and "Wampum Prayer," to the self-explanatory "I can't see New York" and "Don't Make Me Come To Vegas." Amos' glissando operatic trill makes it all sound like gospel. The singer's' keen eyes and ears paid off. She says, "I listened while I was on tour, and I spent a lot of time observing. ... Before I realized it, the record was writing itself, the songs were coming, and the characters are based on real people, the events are based on actual events." The tour starts on the West Coast with the character Scarlet, who meanders and doubles back on herself sometimes. "She's propelled to find this being that we call America -- what her soul is -- not how she's been pimped out by her leaders over the last several years," Amos says. Amos, 39, says she knew she was on the right track when an older Native American woman came to see her -- not her concert. Amost says, "She made her way backstage and said, 'I have a message for you. You're going to tell America's history, but not his-tory, you must tell her-story. Because it's time for the people who hold the land and the people who own the land to come together for her survival.' " Amos wonders, "Are we, as a whole, as Americans, realizing the crossroads that we're at? ... We've been attacked. What is it going take for us to see that we have to take action and see what our leaders are doing in our name?" She says what she found on her travels, and what she addresses on "Wampum Prayer," is that to find America's soul, you have to go back to the Native American idea of being a caretaker of the spirit of the land. Amos took Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" to the next level. Through Scarlet, she visited places where the events actually occurred and learned about them, and about all the treaties that were broken. She says, "My great, great grandmother escaped the Trail Of Tears and hid out in the Smoky Mountains, and the stories came down to me through her. And that really propelled me into asking questions. I needed to know what it is that I believe." Amos fans who haven't gotten enough of their idol in "Scarlet's Walk" will get a nice CD-ROM bonus with the disc: a way to access "Scarlet's Web," a cornucopia of photos, lyrics, videos and secret songs. A limited edition of the album will include maps, Polaroids, a special DVD and a bracelet charm. Today, Amos can't help but see the United States from an overseas viewpoint. When she returned to Cornwall, she says, she was stunned by how the world looks at America. While there was a lot of empathy after 9/11, today, she says, "America is viewed as the bully on the playground. .... it's painful to behold if you love the soul of the place, the roots of her and her essence." And especially if you feel like a caretaker for her. But Amos adds, "This is the time for the torch to be lit in the ones who are going be left with this place in 20 years. They're in universities now, but this is the time for them to ask their questions, to take their own road to see what they believe in. And Scarlet is merely a thread for them to follow. That's all she is." -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:34:46 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: globe and mail articles <url: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021029/RVAMOS/Art s/thearts/theartsMusicHeadline_temp/1/1/2/ > Amos charts a soulful map By ANGELA PACIENZA Canadian Press Tuesday, October 29, 2002 � Page R2 TORONTO -- Tori Amos is consumed with other people's stories. Volumes of intimate tales are stored inside her head. The singer-songwriter, who startled audiences with her 1992 debut by casting the sordid tale of her real-life rape to the soothing sounds of a Bosendorfer piano, collected the stories while touring in a post-Sept. 11 America. After shows, fans waited by stage doors to tell her deeply personal narratives about loved ones. Others sent letters recounting anecdotes and memories "that you don't say when tomorrow's coming," Amos, 39, recalled during a recent stopover in Toronto. "It was a time in America where the masks were down, the makeup was off, the r�sum�s were blown away." Amos says their stories were spawned from a spiritual source rudely awakened by the terrorist attacks. "America itself came back to the round table with all the other countries and realized that it was part of the world instead of this isolated bubble," she said, gesticulating wildly. Her response was to walk in another's shoes. Scarlet's Walk, the singer's latest album, is a sonic novel that takes listeners through an introspective road trip across the United States in the aftershock of the attacks. Amos was in New York that fateful morning, away from her two-year-old daughter. The event caused the singer to pause and reflect on her life, especially her new role as a mother. A few months later she lost a close friend, famed makeup artist Kevin Aucoin. "From a national world event to a personal event to just maybe as a writer realizing that America is at a crossroads on every level, whether it knows it or not," she said. The concept for the album was inspired by aboriginal stories sung by Amos's mother about her Cherokee ancestry. Scarlet's Walk probes westward expansion, porn culture and America's concept of democracy, through the eyes of a woman trying to find herself. "Scarlet's my character in this. I get to hide behind her, I guess," Amos said. "She's busy in this . . . but there's a place of reality where she begins to see within her travels that her fantasy of what a good day was, or a strong relationship was, is changing. There is an impact that this has on her, it does define certain parts of her. It's written on her body, it's a body map." While the album is rich with symbolism, Scarlet's trip can be actualized with any Perley's road map of the United States. Travelling coast to coast, some 4,800 kilometres, the album records Scarlet's many stirring, romanticized encounters: the Mississippi River site of a massacre of Apache people; Austin, Tex., where a Latino revolutionary is fighting U.S. intervention in Central America; and New York, where a woman tries to cope with a plane crash. "The soul of America and the native Americans made it very clear to me while I was on the road that the time has come [for change]; she's tired of being misrepresented instead of Miss America." -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:27:47 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori at cmj <url: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/ALLSTAR/article.html/fid=34390 0 > ori Amos Talks Weirdness, Stupid Musicians, & More At CMJ Q&A Nov 4, 2002, 10:25 am PT Tori Amos admitted that her new video from Scarlet's Walk, "A Sorta Fairytale," was the "weirdest thing I've ever done," at the CMJ 2002 Music Marathon in New York on Friday (Nov. 1). And, Amos has done a lot of weird things in her career. The eccentric singer was one of the featured panel events during the four-day confab: a Q&A with Rita Houston, music director of WFUV-FM. What was billed as a discussion about her critically acclaimed new album, the 18-track Scarlet's Walk, Amos described the themed CD, which is a narration by a person called Scarlet, who is actually Amos, who is also everywoman, and is about the personification of Americans who came together post-Sept. 11. After a few analytical questions from Houston, Amos shifted tracks and asked a young guy in the audience what he did. Immediately, people began asking questions, shutting Houston down. Amos, who is 39, talked about motherhood, gave advice to aspiring musicians, and showed a great sense of humor. When asked about her female role model, Amos immediately fawned upon artist Georgia O'Keefe. "She had beauty, was political and warm," she said. "She was her own person, and it did not matter if people liked her work. She is a benchmark of my life everyday." Amos does not worry what critics preach, but she warned aspiring musicians, "If you don't protect yourself with the right people, everyone will decide what you do. There is nothing good about a stupid musician ... just bigger lawyer fees." And when CMJ reps tried to shut down the hour session early, Amos refused, noting people waiting in line to ask questions. When someone asked why she threw water on Jon Stewart on Comedy Central's The Daily Show a few years ago, she begged, "Did I?" After stumbling for quite a long time, she quipped, "Maybe I didn't take my birth control pill that day." Priceless. -- Bob Grossweiner and Jane Cohen -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:26:40 -0500 From: "Ana Cristina Simon" <bellerose1978@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: circling down through white cloud Hello all! I have wandered back into this list, after many months of not being on any Tori lists at all. But then the Tori fever struck me again and I wanted to be a part of this world again. So I'm happy to be back. It was a mission for me to post because apparently AOL version 8.0 has some kind of "enriched" format already programmed into it, and RDTRN kept sending me back all my e-mail attempts, no matter how many times I checked to make sure the fonts, etc. were in their default setting. So I am using my hotmail account. Anyone that knows how to post using AOL 8.0, please let me know. First things first: How many ways do I love thee, new Tori album? Let me count the ways... my favorite songs, in no particular order, are: Crazy, Virginia, Carbon, and the incredibly haunting I can't see New York. That last song has been on the fringes of my mind ever since I first got the album last Tuesday. It's such a great song. I'm still figuring it out. All last night I lay on my bed playing the CD in its entirety and following along with the map/lyrics. It's so interesting when you experience the CD that way, and take that "roadtrip" along with her. The songs really came alive to me. Has anyone been to the toriphoria website? If you haven't, you have to go! Run, don't walk to: www.yessaid.com. I especially liked the Tori Amos time-line, which tracks her life events from when her great-grandmother was alive (!) till recent times. Do check it out. What charms have you guys gotten? Mine is a tiny little Ladybug that fell out of the box when I excitedly ripped open the cellophane wrapping in the parking lot of Circuit City last week. Thank God for my boyfriend's sharp eyes, or Miz Ladybug would've been trampled on a hundred thousand million times by now! Now I just need to find me some twine so I can make me some kind of necklace. By the way, I'm jealous of whomever it was that got the shoe charm, because to me that is THE charm of the album. Especially since Tori is such a shoe-fanatic (comme moi!). And while we're on the topic of shoes, does anyone know where on this great blue planet I can find those camel-colored shoes Tori is wearing on the cover of "Scarlet's Walk?" I'm ectastic to be back and I'm enjoying reading all of your opinions about her new album. Be well! xoxo Belle <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens; only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands -- e.e. cummings drop me a line some time: BelleRose78@aol.com come visit my garden: http://members.aol.com/belle7719/unravel/me.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls!�Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:57:20 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: precious0147@yahoo.com, mindyboo20@aol.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, lyricallacquer@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Love Sweet Love!!! this.. is.. interesting. :D Did you know that you can tell from the skin whether a person is sexually active or not? 1. Sex is a beauty treatment. Scientific tests find that when woman make love they produce amounts of the hormone estrogen, which make hair shiny and skin smooth. 2. Gentle, relaxed lovemaking reduces your chances of suffering dermatitis, skin rashes and blemishes. The sweat produced cleanses the pores and makes your skin glow. 3. Lovemaking can burn up those calories you piled on during that romantic dinner. 4. Sex is one of the safest sports you can take up. It stretches and tones up just about every muscle in the body. It's more enjoyable than swimming 20 laps, and you don't need special sneakers! 5. Sex is an instant cure for mild depression. It releases endorphins into the bloodstream, producing a sense of euphoria and leaving you with a feeling of well-being. 6. The more sex you have, the more you will be offered. The sexually active body gives off greater quantities of chemicals called pheromones. These subtle sex perfumes drive the opposite sex crazy! 7. Sex is the safest tranquilizer in the world. IT IS 10 TIMES MORE EFFECTIVE THAN VALIUM. 8. Kissing each day will keep the dentist away. Kissing encourages saliva to wash food from the teeth and lowers the level of the acid that causes decay, preventing plaque build-up. 9. Sex actually relieves headaches. A lovemaking session can release the tension that restricts blood vessels in the brain. 10. A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose. Sex is a natural antihistamine. It can help combat asthma and hay fever. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:21:44 -0800 (PST) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: here, i'll write it myself: Unidentified subject! Cyndi wrote: <<Jessica on Chad's girlfriend: "she can go just fuck herself in the ass without lube" uh.. ouch.. and I mean OUCH. I hear it hurts without lube!>> Nah, it isn't so bad, actually. It's almost better to do it that way sometimes-- if there's any slippage on the way in due to excessive amounts of lube, there's too much poking around too much beforehand, causing things in the area to, uh, constrict.... and that really sucks. So I've heard. speaking of the Dicken's Cider Ass, Brian asked: <<why is there so much fuss over the trinkets and not as much talk about the album?>> Speaking for myself, it's a long album and I haven't given it a good, thorough listen yet. And, even when I do, I don't know that I'll have a lot to say. I hesitate to say this, but it sounds like a lot of ear candy at first listen. Maybe I'll change my mind-- it took me a looooong time to get into UtP, and I feel like this album is similar to that in a lot of ways. Oh, and is it just me, or do a lot of songs seem to echo SLG songs? The parallelism between SW and SLG struck me right away-- I don't know exactly what I mean by that, but I'll figure it out. Until then, I AM PISSED ABOUT MY F'ING CHARM.*** ***Actually, I couldn't care less-- I wasn't even going to buy the limited edition, but it's just one of those things where you feel cheated when you fail to get something that you're *supposed* to get, even if it doesn't make a difference in the outcome. Kinda like foreplay, for me-- it doesn't really matter much in the end if it happens, but I'll tend to get annoyed if someone overlooks it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:38:57 +1100 From: Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net.au> To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Save water, drink beer Here we go again... Dalsh said in #1739 >I have downloaded all kinds of things, but how were those "works in >progress" songs getting out there to begin with? This is what happened when >Lars went after Napster. The bottom line is that it's an "inside job" And you're most likely right on that. I know that one of the engineers in the recording studio sold master tapes of tracks that didn't make the album on Liz Phair's last effort for $800. That was 4 years ago. I'd imagine any decent recording studio these days has a high speed internet connection and it's just as easy to encode and upload songs as it is to download them. At least in Liz's case the tapes weren't sold until after the album was out. It could also be the case that Tori's new tracks were released by her own management to generate interest in her upcoming album. They could easily deny knowledge of it as once something hits the net it can be all over the world in minutes. Who's to say? But what drives people to put unreleased and unauthorized songs on the net in the first place? Demand. If nobody wanted it, nobody would bother to put them there in the first place. Demand for something that isn't legitimate is purely based on greed. >I think she'd be less >upset if sex videos of her and Mark were posted on the Internet, actually... Now that I'd be more than happy to download. >But she also has to realize that a lot of people are fed up with the prices >of CDs, which are almost the price of DVDs, on top of having to replace them >over time. All points which I've covered in the past. Greed, greed, greed. Go back to what I said in digests 1665, 1668, 1676 and 1681 for starters. > I do have a problem with the record company's "coding" policy,.... > But I also have a problem with people >who want something for nothing, which ultimately takes away from the artists >creating, the people working for the artists, and ultimately the people who >do work for the record company have to be let go. Which is why the record companies are doing that in the first place. I don't like it either, but as long as profits are being cut into, or at least perceived that way, the companies are going to continue doing it. As I've said before, it's the greedy minority that stuffs it up for the majority. >However, I am slightly skeptical of her working for >Sony, and wondered why she wasn't trying to go towards recording on her own >label, or a smaller label at least. Maybe she doesn't want the hassle of driving a business and be a musician at the same time. One thing about unreleased and unfinished tracks is what do the record companies do in 20 years time when Tori needs some extra cash to fund her retirement? If the songs are already out there, there's not much point in releasing an album of those tracks. Or even later, when Tash is handling Tori's estate? From Matt via Reuters: >"Drought-hit Australians have been urged to shower together to save water. >Unattached people should take a shower with a 'sympathetic friend'." Good idea. Have shower, willing to share. Can't wait for water restrictions to hit Sydney if that's what's being recommended. I don't think it'll be long considering how dry it is. Cyndi wrote: >Brian then said that 74 minutes is too long for an album.. um.. that's >personal opinion, cuz I don't agree. it depends on the album and on how >willing you are to take little breaks in between songs when necessary. But I do take breaks. First time I listened to SW I ducked out after 6 songs in a row. Even when I listen to it as background music I just tune out. It's not just this album that does it to me. I'll say the same thing about The Eminem Show and just about any album that goes over 60 minutes. Lavs..... paragraphs. Brian o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Subliminal Day Off digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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