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Date:
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:13:09 -0800
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1741
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1741
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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Unidentified subject! [ "in quietude" <aphonia@batedbreath. ]
agp [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
bastards... [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
not so good [ Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net ]
cdnow review of scarlet's walk [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ]
scarlet's walk [ arija <arija.weddle@yale.edu> ]
Letter to the editor [ Jim <jimphynn@mindspring.com> ]
washington post review [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ]
To Succubus Barbie [ "Rebecca Dent" <talula8828@hotmail. ]
Tickets [ Swirlgirl@att.net ]
The freakiest nightmares! [ "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> ]
chart action [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ]
Little bits of thoughts [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:26:29 GMT
From: "in quietude" <aphonia@batedbreath.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Hi. My name is Mary and I just joined this mailing list. I'm in a bit of
a tight situation and I need some help. I bought two tickets for the Tori
concert on Nov. 12 at the Patriot Center: one for me, the other for my
girlfriend. Well, now her parents seem to have caught on to us and
disapprove of me and say that sure, she can go to the concert, but she
can't drive there. And I may be eighteen, but I'm epileptic and I can't
drive and they know that.
So the only way we can go to the concert now is to get a ride there, but we
don't know anyone else who is going. Can anyone help us?
-Mary
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:40:21 -0800
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: agp
another girl's paradise is the best song on the album by far. i mean, there
are other great ones but it just is fucking great. if you don't know what
it's like to have another girl have your man....mhm. it's the song for you.
i'm ranking it as the second most important woman song right behind baker
baker.
--should be at election night parties *sigh*
love jess
love is either in your heart or on its way--frank sinatra
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:43:37 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: bastards...
grrrr, hotmail won't include the original email when i hit reply...
bastards! oh well. i have about half a dozen digests to catch up on.
things have been super stressful lately, and i just watched a movie on
prostitution ("working girls"), which was very repetitive yet
thought-provoking. the things we have to watch in film class...
first of all, megan, your post brought me to tears. i just want to be like
sarah and yell, "it's not fair!" and of course when jareth comes to reply,
"you say that a lot. i wonder what your basis of comparison is," i'll drag
him into another room and... i'm way off topic. anyway.... GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
has there ever been a moment in your life when a stranger has looked at
you and thought, "wow, what a beautiful young lady" instead of "wow, what a
fat young lady?" it just pisses me off. really, this culture is so
fat-obsessed it makes me sick. what makes people think they can judge
others based on appearance like that? it's just depressing. especially in
your case. what have you ever done wrong? what have you done to deserve
being treated like shit your whole life? NOTHING!!!!!! it's not like you
can help being overweight, it just happens. 24,000 years ago you would have
been worshipped as a goddess (around when the "venus of willendorf" statue
was made, if my knowledge of art history is correct), but now you're
invisible to the world as a person. that's what makes me sick. megan,
you're one of the most wonderful, special, talented, weird-in-a-good-way,
and lovable people i've ever met, and i love you dearly (platonically, of
course). society has some serious issues and needs to learn acceptance.
for crying out loud, fat babies are supposed to be CUTE, and you don't
INJURE them and insult them to their mothers! and why did your mom have to
bring it up 19 years later, probably knowing it would hurt you? why do you
need to know that information? and what are you supposed to do it, say "i'm
sorry i was BORN a certain way?" are you supposed to apologize for being
something you can't help even though being fat isn't a bad thing? what kind
of culture do we live in that criticizes people based on how much they
weigh? i hear girls who are 8 inches taller and 10 pounds lighter than me
complaining that they're too fat. so what does that make me? what does
that make you? and what's so bad about being fat other than society's
constant harassment? sure, obesity carries more health risks, but i know
many perfectly healthy obese people, including you. why do people judge
based on physical appearance, which has nothing to do with character? do we
ever hear about the personality of britney spears? no, we just hear about
tits and her sex life. does personality even matter in this society any
more?
i'm infuriated. man, if i had a fat baby and someone insulted her, i'd do
more than just yell. i'd smile sweetly, talk about how BEAUTIFUL the baby
is, and then proceed to politely insult the other person. "why thank you,
aren't her rolls just darling? oh by the way, your lipstick really makes
your wig look orange. oh, that's not a wig? silly me! it sure looks like
a cheap wig to me! heehee!" anyway, being treated badly because of
appearance is just wrong. i mean, every single day of my life since
preschool i've been reminded just how short i am. when i was around 10, i
went with my grandmother to visit the people renting one of the family's
cottages in vermont. one of the women staying there treated me like a
toddler, and when i told her how old i was, she laughed and said, "wow,
you're a SHORTIE!" and thought it was the funniest thing ever. my
grandmother looked uncomfortable but didn't defend me since the woman was a
paying renter, and i was too polite to go kick her in the shins like i
should have. fucking ignorant people make me sick.
and what's been bugging me in the past few days is my own appearance. not
in the self-conscious way, but how i appear to others. i'll admit it, i was
an adorable baby and child, and even though people constantly remarked on my
height, i was still cute. my mom even said to my dad, "when she's older,
she's going to be beautiful." well, years went by... am i that beautiful
woman she was expecting? now i know i'm not ugly, and i've been told i'm
beautiful, but only by certain people's standards. does my mom ever
compliment me on my appearance? no, she tells me i should wear makeup and
lose some weight. i think i disappointed her. i think my sister is turning
out to be more of what my mom wanted, appearance-wise. her attitude sucks,
but she's (by society's definitions, not mine) prettier than me. she's
taller and thin and conforms to what society wants. she's almost 13, and
already she wears makeup and has guys drooling over her. when i was her
age, guys would point and laugh, make mean comments about my height (and
occasionally my weight), call me ugly, and sexually harass me. i didn't
wear makeup or conform to anyone's ideals. now my other relatives are nice.
my grandfather always tells me how beautiful i am (no, it's not perverted
or anything), and older people compliment my appearance a lot. i guess it's
a generation thing - back when they were young, it was more acceptable to
look "different." i'm no gibson girl, but it seems the older generations
are more accepting of my appearance than the younger ones. people my age
just laugh at me because i don't look like them. i'm 4 foot 8 or 9 and 135
pounds, not 5 foot 8 and 120 pounds like society says i SHOULD be. bah,
fuck it all. i'm not ugly. you're not ugly. we're sexy bitches, dammit,
and it's about time people realize it!
well... i've ranted myself into a storm now. and i'd reply more to other
people's comments, but i have a writing group meeting in 20 minutes, and i
have a shitload of stuff to do. psych exam tomorrow! eek!
-ade
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:50:33 -0500
From: Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: not so good
the new tori cd is not so good. that's all i have to say.
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:22:33 -0500
From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: cdnow review of scarlet's walk
<url:
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/GENRES/cms_genres.html/fid=343
788
>
With her latest release, Scarlet's Walk, Tori Amos has produced perhaps the
first post-9/11 album to question America rather than reaffirm our faith in
it. The album, which Amos conceived while touring America right after "the
Twins fell," as she puts it, follows the titular character, Scarlet, on a
cross-country trip of her own. The farther she progresses on her journey,
the more Scarlet comes to reexamine her beliefs, particularly about the
motives that drive individual people -- as well as the very country these
people live in.
It's a bold move to write such an album in these possibly pre-war days,
when the right to question our nation is seemingly not something we can
take for granted. All of which makes Amos' decision to flesh out her music
that much more unfortunate. The strength of her earlier material came from
the nakedness of her music -- just her voice and her piano. Now that piano
is often lost beneath guitars and drums, or simply traded for a wimpy keyboard.
Consequently, her message, so powerful when unadorned, tends to get diluted
by the awkward arrangements that accompany it. Lyrically and thematically,
Amos still stands as a brave and unique voice. Musically, she now sounds
like all the other female songwriters she once so easily surpassed.
Nina Pearlman
CDNOW Contributing Writer
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:56:04 -0500
From: arija <arija.weddle@yale.edu>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: scarlet's walk
i've enjoyed reading what you all think of this album. here's what i think:
i love it.
and truthfully, i havent even really thought of it as an album yet. I'm
much too busy enjoying each song individually. i've listened to it five
times already and am at the point where i'm beginning to recognize parts of
songs, make up harmonies, etc. bethany said that it reminded her of pele in
its strength, force (i think that's what you said.) i couldn't agree more.
although nothing will ever top pele in my mind, this album does a great job
of being fucking amazing. i haven't been this happy with a tori album since
pele, actually. i think it's largely because she's back at the front of the
sound (i think someone already said that, too.)
and i like each and every song on it. there's none that i want to skip when
listening to it. probably virginia is my least favorite, but that's not
saying much. i love "taxi ride" especiall when she says, 'and i'm down to
your last cigarette and this 'we are one' crap'. i want to have "i can't
see new york"'s babies. i think "gold dust" is a little cheesey, but hey!
i'm actually not complaining.
i got the special edition with the lame-ass purse charm and the cheesey
stickers and the map, which is clever, but doesn't mean much to me yet,
because, as i said, i'm not thinking about the album as a whole just yet. i
haven't watched the dvd yet. in general, i dont like her "hippie chic,
adult contemporary" packaging, but you know, she's an adult, and even
contemporary. and i think she looked weird on letterman.
i'm seeing her twice in a weekend, 11/16 in ct, 11/17 in prov. anyone else
going on those days??
xoxo
arija
p.s. i like tori's harpsichord phase better than her rhodes phase.
thoughts?
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:12:11 -0500
From: Jim <jimphynn@mindspring.com>
To: 52ndst@yahoogroups.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Letter to the editor
The following is an early draft of a letter to the editor of the
Philadelphia Inquirer that I wrote this morning, on seeing the
results of yesterday's elections. Please read this and let me know
your thoughts.
Thanks!
Jim
So it's looking as though the Republican Party will control the White
House and both houses of Congress for the next two years. I can
already start to think of the indignities that will be hurled upon
the people of the United States for the next two years.
From the attempts to make last year's tax cuts permanent, to the
continued erosion of our civil liberties; from an energy policy that
favors big business as opposed to the consumer to an impotent attempt
to provide a prescription drug plan under Medicare; from the partial
privatization of Social Security to attacking sovereign nations
outside of our borders, the democracy appears to be weaker now than
at any time since the Civil War. The state of the union is far from
strong.
Still, the above issues from the Bush agenda, however ill-advised and
contemptible they may be, are not what concern me the most. Most of
those ideas can be chalked up to simple mistakes and are relatively
easily corrected. The truly frightening prospect is that Bush's
judicial nominees will undoubtedly start to fill the bench. We've
already seen the ultraconservative judges he's tried to push through,
only to be thwarted by the Democratic Senate. Without that check and
balance, our Federal courts are about to add legitimacy to the
continued erosion of all of our constitutional rights except the
right to bear arms.
Canada's starting to look mighty good right now.
--
Jim Goldman jimphynn@mindspring.com
ICQ: 6380342 www.mindspring.com/~jimphynn
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:45:23 -0500
From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: washington post review
<url: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10462-2002Nov5.html >
Tori Amos Embarks On Aimless 'Walk'
[Photo] Tori Amos stakes out the mellow ground for true fans only, on her
latest CD, "Scarlet's Walk." (Kurt Markus)
By Shannon Zimmerman
Special to The Washington Post
Wednesday, November 6, 2002; Page C05
Tori Amos -- erstwhile hair-metal hottie and, before that, D.C. piano bar
chanteuse -- has managed to become quite the alt-rock entrepreneur. She
sports a loyal fan base that obsessively analyzes her cryptic song-poetry
and virtually ensures that every release rings up heavy-rotation sales
regardless of the scant airplay she receives. No less an icon than R.E.M.'s
Michael Stipe once asked Amos if he could borrow her crowd. And who could
blame him? At this point, R.E.M. could use a few of the singer's hopelessly
devoted fans.
To her credit, Amos never takes her audience for granted, and with
"Scarlet's Walk," her latest CD, she sets a new standard for customer
appreciation. Let the industry suits whine about file-sharing and threaten
litigation that would turn their customers into criminals. Amos is focused
on giving the people what they want: an actual reason to plunk down their
hard-earned $20.
True, the "limited-edition" version of "Scarlet's Walk" lists for a few
dollars more than the album itself, but, then the former package is a
veritable horn of plenty, including Tori's map of the United States, a page
of kiddie-cute cartoon stickers, and a set of faux-Polaroids featuring the
artist herself, suitable for framing or affixing to the fridge with
magnetic poetry. But wait, that's not all. You'll also receive access to
the official "Scarlet's Walk" Web site, a DVD with a grainy
travelogue-cum-music video, and a small rubber snake that, given Amos's
peculiar lyrical obsessions, practically reeks of both religious and sexual
innuendo. (Not suitable for children under 21.)
But impressive as the package is, Amos's real product (i.e., the disc's
songs) is the musical equivalent of aromatherapy: "Scarlet's Walk" is
pleasant, wispy and mostly of questionable therapeutic value. For the hour
and change you're under its spell, the album is passably engaging. Once you
snap to, though, you'll likely have a hard time remembering any of its
tunes. Those tend to evaporate on contact with your brainpan.
That's not for lack of trying, however. Amos's lyrical ambition abounds,
with the singer tackling pornography ("Amber Waves"), tragic love affairs
("A Sorta Fairytale," "Crazy"), and the mythology of America (just about
every track here). Trouble is, the disc's relentless, snail's-pace cadence
and barely modulated arrangements turn the tracks into a militantly mellow,
new-agey morass, perfect for practicing the lotus pose or sipping camomile
tea, but not much else.
There are a few exceptions, of course. The vaguely sinister "Pancake" finds
the former choir girl cooing seductively over the top of a snaky bass line
that prods the track's Lilith-lite melody toward actual catchiness, while
"Mrs. Jesus" offers some much-needed grit, with Amos abandoning her
celestial octave scaling and briefly spelunking around in her lower
register. And "Taxi Ride," a thick and wobbly slice of jazz-inflected radio
pop, is guaranteed to liven up any moments of quiet reflection.
But that's about it, which is a bit surprising. Amos at her best can deftly
cross-wire the easy hooks of earlier piano-powered singers such as Carole
King and Elton John with the avant edginess of a genuine weirdo like Kate Bush.
This time out, though, she mostly sounds like George Winston with attitude.
"Scarlet's Walk" is for true believers only.
(To hear a free Sound Bite from this album, call Post-Haste at 202-334-9000
and press 8151.)
© 2002 The Washington Post Company
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:13:05 -0500
From: "Rebecca Dent" <talula8828@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: To Succubus Barbie
Hey guys. I think I've only de-lurked twice before, only when I really have
to reply. But I do read my digests religiously! I had to respond to Megan
(whose posts I always love.)
Okay, I was overweight my entire life. As much as lifestyle has to do with
it, genetics are probably the biggest issue with overweight children. My
twin brother was always thin which made it worse. He pretty much tortured
me every day for ten years. He doesn't any longer, but I'm not sure when
(or if) I'll ever be able to fully forgive him for it. But enough about
that. I'm going to tell you that it isn't your destiny to be overweight.
When I was 19, I knew that I was ready to lose weight. I really stress the
importance of knowing that you're ready and you will know it when it's time.
I joined Weight Watchers (and yes, it works). I've lost over 70 pounds
since then (I'm 23 now) and my life is so different. All of the parts of
myself that I loved when I was overweight are still there and some of those
things that I didn't like are gone now. You probably wouldn't even
recognize me but I've embraced both m! y old self and my real self. I hate
to put such emphasis on what changing one's appearance can do for changing
who someone is, but I think the person I am now was always there just
buried.
Hearing what you heard from your mom must have been awful and I can relate.
I still remember what it felt like to be teased. It is probably one of the
most painful things a child can go through. Especially when it's something
so obvious. It's not like I could say "you're wrong." Trust me, it does
get easier. And you can lose the weight but you'll know when you're ready.
Hope that helps at least a little. It's often best to hear it from someone
who has been there.
~Rebecca
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:20:06 +0000
From: Swirlgirl@att.net
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Tickets
Hi All -
I hate to even post this - but I need to give up my tickets to see Tori Nov.
30th and December 1st (Minneapolis & Milwaukee).
These were the tickets I had purchased in pre-sale and had intended to use,
but
due to a family situation, I am unable to attend.
There are two tickets to each show:
Minneapolis: Section 9 Row 1 Seats 7 - 8 (this is first row balcony)
Milwaukee: Section 1 Row E Seats 102 - 101 (5th row - center section)
I am just asking what I paid for the tickets (plus shipping if you'd prefer
something other than regualr mail).
$103.54 - Minneapolis
$92.60 - Milwaukee
I live in Madison, WI and would be willing to meet you and hand the tickets
over as well.
Please email me if you're interested.
Erica
Swirlgirl@att.net
--
"You were just Mr. Flirtatious all
night just working that ass
well you know it's uncool to bring it to school
if you don't want to share with the class." -Ani Difranco
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:12:11 -0300
From: "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar>
To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: The freakiest nightmares!
Hi Guys!
I took a nap today, and I had the freakiest and scariest nightmare ever! O_o
If you want me to post it tell me, because is quite long! :)
I think Simon will Enjoy it ;)
See Ya :)
Daniel
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:30:12 -0500
From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: chart action
rolling stone is reporting <url:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17013 > that, with
107,000 copies sold, _scarlet's walk_ has debuted at #7 on the billboard
album chart:
The 107,000 copies Tori Amos sold of Scarlet's Walk would
usually (particularly this year) cinch a Top Five berth, but
the album settled in at Number Seven, a slot ahead of Eminem's
The Eminem Show, which after twenty-four weeks of release
enjoyed a sales increase, with another one likely after 8 Mile
opens this weekend.
meanwhile, in canada, _scarlet's walk_ has debuted at #13, according to
jam! <url: http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/nov6_chartstory-can.html >.
woj
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:34:48 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Little bits of thoughts
I'm still trying to decompress after the play, but just wanted to add a
couple of thoughts as I'm catching up on digests.
First off: I have an extra ticket to Camden on Nov. 15. It's center left,
26th row. I'm hoping to find a driver or navigator to go with me as I hate
to drive to Camden alone. So if I find a ride/co-pilot, I'll let it go for
what it cost me ($50.75). If not, I'll put it up for the highest bidder,
which I hate to do. So if you know anyone going to Camden and looking for a
ride (or a place to crash), put them in touch with me. I'll wait until
Saturday before I put it up on ToriNews, etc. so as to give Arty Turner's
first shot.
Re Tori and Botox: After seeing her on Letterman and Regis, no one can tell
me she ISN'T using Botox. The woman's forehead is frozen in place. If
nothing from the eyebrows up moves, then botulism has taken control of the
nerves. But as I said, she never said she would be the role model for
growing older (Jamie Leigh Curtis has become that), so bully for her if it
makes her feel better having her forehead paralyzed.
Scarlet's Walk is finally growing on me. I listen to it in the car when I
have a long trip so I can listen to it unbroken and undistracted. I haven't
come up with faves yet, but it's such a deep album, that Faves may not come
into play here.
Still waiting for the reviews and my photo Prof has all my shots, so
everyone will be waiting for me to post the pics from the play.
That's it for now.
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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