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RDT Right Now #1748

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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1748 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o despertar [ "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefoos ] old list member [ Kahlil Pfaff <jkpfaff@liberty.edu> ] New Jersey "Star Ledger" review [ "'dances with virgos'" <woj@smoe.or ] las vegas mercury review [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] riverside reviews [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] billboard riverside review [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] hartford courant interview [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] thoughts on the Scarlet album [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] very very very interesting article.. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Frustrating [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:15:03 -0600 From: "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefooska@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: despertar I liked Daniel's comments on Christina/Britney (and, of course, Madonna the mother of slutreinvention) I haven't really heard Christina's new album but I am curious. I can't really stand Britney's music (exept for Slave 4 U which has a really cool music track... and maybe others on special occasions, ha!) and madonna has perfectly crafted pop tracks which are impeccable for what they're meant to be. that said, Christina is undoubtedly the best singer of all three, the one with more raw material to explore there... but she needs to find elegance while doing it... and I'm not talking about her looks, I'm talking about not doing too much, trying to hard to show-off virtuosity... you know? Britney can dance. and even though I could puke on her double standard, it is important for little boys and girls in early teens to have someone really really sexy like that to exercise on for first sexual fantasies and wet-dreams... man, on I love rocknroll the motorcicle was thisclose to having an orgasm I'm sure. anyway... I never write and when I do... who knows what's gonna happen? I've been ok, in case anyone wondered... better than ever, actually... though there's still a long way to go for me. and... I haven't been able to get Tori's cd here in mexico... anyday now I guess... I'll have to give myself time before saying anything about it though... I have a slight hunch my first reactions won't be too good... I have heard a sorta fairytale once and I was bored... but I love love love gorgeous tori and I guess I always will even if i never like no new music coming from her... chau juan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:49:58 -0500 From: Kahlil Pfaff <jkpfaff@liberty.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: old list member 'lo folk i was a member of this list for a few years since around '93 or '94. cant remember when i unsubscribed. anyone still around from about '93-97/98? kahlil -- --- Kahlil Pfaff jkpfaff@liberty.edu -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:15:21 -0500 From: "'dances with virgos'" <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: New Jersey "Star Ledger" review thanks to kathleen for sending this article in! <url: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/ledger/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/103692354 3175740.xml > For Tori Amos, an ambitious 'Walk' Sunday, November 10, 2002 "Scarlet's Walk" Tori Amos (Epic)*** No one can fault Tori Amos for lacking ambition. On last year's "Strange Little Girls," the ivory-tickling songstress explored rock gender roles with versions of vintage tunes by the Beatles, Slayer, Neil Young and others from a female viewpoint. Amos' new album, "Scarlet's Walk" offers more strange little girls, along with aging porn stars, Latino firebrands, rambling cowboys, Messiahs and an assortment of self-destructive characters. Her aim is to conquer no less a topic than America itself, framed within the tale of a female protagonist on a coast-to-coast sojourn. There's even a map of Scarlet's travels inside the CD book and a limited edition bonus CD-Rom with additional backstory. Described by Amos as a "sonic novel," the album is dense with subplots about Sept. 11, Native American folklore, homophobia, radical politics and romantic disillusionment. It's a "Mason & Dixon"-scale project that may exhaust listeners with its barrage of themes, metaphors and oblique wordplay. Plus, if Amos is going to capture the national essence in song, there should be dynamic changes in musical scenery rather than her single-flavored ethereal style. That said, "Scarlet" does feature some of Amos' loveliest compositions to date. "I Can't See New York" offers a haunting vision of the terrorist attacks, capturing the day's unreal quality in a way that has eluded more traditional-minded songwriters. Lush and other-worldly but catchy nevertheless, the first single "A Sorta Fairytale" may just supplant Vanessa Carlton on the pop charts. "Wednesday" rocks and roils like an alien showtune while "Don't Make Me Go to Vegas" is boosted with chewy bass lines and a much needed infusion of funk. For all the tunes that get the pretty-spooky formula right -- "Carbon," "Mr. Jesus," -- there are aimless cuts that may lull listeners into a nap -- "In Your Cloud," "Crazy." As a storyteller, Amos never follows a straight narrative path, veering off into Faulkner-esque realms of tangled language. Heads are bound to be scratched with lines like, "Behind crystalline irises loons can dive, where the world bleeds white" or "If the rain has to separate from itself, does it say 'Pick out your cloud.'"Even if "Scarlet's" trek is dotted with dead air and pretentious poetry, Amos should be commended for mounting a concept album that challenges record buyers with big ideas rather than feeding them easy slogans to croon in traffic. -- Lisa Rose -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:19:59 -0500 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: las vegas mercury review <url: http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2002/MERC-Nov-14-Thu-2002/19992748.html > Tori Amos Scarlet's Walk 4 of 5 stars The sparkling piano that guides Tori Amos' voice through "Amber Waves," the first song on Scarlet's Walk, is less an introduction to an 18-song story, and more an invitation to three distinct groups of people: those who have trekked on Amos' windy road of a career for the past decade, those who have strayed from the route and those unfamiliar with it. For the devoted, Scarlet's Walk--Amos' seventh album, also her Epic Records debut--is yet another example of artistic ambition from one of modern music's most complex and imaginative figures. For the fairweather, the album is a sonic return-to-form, her stripped-down, piano-accentuated sound replacing the more layered and electronic experimentations of her last three efforts. And for the uninitiated, it's a proper introduction, one that highlights Amos' attempts to find an audience beyond her cultish following. Scarlet's Walk is Amos' most sonically focused work since 1994's Under the Pink. Using the narrative of Scarlet, a woman paving a divergent path across America, Amos explores the American experience--past, present and future--with equal parts self-reflection and universal perspective. In Scarlet's travels--each song is a different destination--we see this wanderlust vagabond searching for transcendence ("Amber Waves"), falling in and out of love ("A Sorta Fairytale," the current single), confronting her past ("Don't Make Me Come to Vegas"), witnessing tragedy ("I Can't See New York"), demanding historical accountability ("Virginia") and, ultimately, coming to terms with herself ("Gold Dust"). Amos speaks in her usual metaphorical language, but instead of using it for pointed confession or mythical ambiguity, she attempts to represent an entire country looking for its soul, or even just peace of mind. The challenge in trying to communicate such social, geographical and emotional vastness is you risk losing yourself--just as Scarlet has. There's a tonal consistency that keeps Scarlet's journey from dead-ending, but as the melodies remain grounded and thoughts become compounded, the view from the window appears blurred. It's almost as if the narrative drive and transitory contemplation don't allow Scarlet to stop to smell the roses along the way; each story feels like a chapter, well-written and intricately woven, but less resonant outside the story's greater context. Scarlet's Walk is likely to elude less dedicated travelers, but anyone who ever got lost in a good yarn only to find himself by the story's conclusion will revel in its endless discoveries. --Mike Prevatt -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:23:29 -0500 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: riverside reviews <url: http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/50557.htm > SHOW OF MASS APPEAL By DAN AQUILANTE PHOTO Tori Amos rocked the crowd at Riverside Church. November 15, 2002 -- TORI Amos, the daughter of a Methodist minister, showed her altar ego with a concert in the very uptown Riverside Church Thursday. If there ever was a performance aimed at pleasing the fans, this was it. The setting was as spectacular as you'd expect, made better by trippy lighting that highlighted the Gothic architecture of towering stone. Yet it was that carved rock that murdered Amos' voice for most of the show. The sound was extremely bouncy in the cavernous church. When the sound guy cranked the volume, Amos' vocals had no definition. She was totally on-key - you just didn't know what she was saying. But the full house, mostly female, could have recited every word to every song, from her "Little Earthquakes" album from long ago to last week's release, "Scarlet's Walk." Amos' old classics "Cornflake Girl" and "Crucify" got the biggest rise out of the house - but it was hard to tell who was having a good time just by looking up and down the pews. Tori's music doesn't compel you to shimmy shimmy shake, but considering the powerful cheers of adoration from the fans, it was weird that the stone saints that flanked the altar jiggled more than the crowd. As the concert progressed, Amos' vocals became easier to hear, but no sound engineer could fix the bad habit she's developed - sucking air at the mike. At the end of every phrase, you could hear an audible gasp. This Darth Vader-style not only hurt the music, it became very annoying, especially from a singer as practiced as Amos. Tori has been much more entertaining when she's played less hallowed ground like the Beacon, where she's always been able to shake the rafters. This time the rafters may have been too high to reach. <url: http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/local/newyork/ny-ettori3002993nov15,0,28343 62.story?coll=ny-nyc-entertainment-headlines > A Divine Service of Hits Tori Amos' canon comes to Riverside Church By Glenn Gamboa STAFF WRITER November 15, 2002 Tori Amos sat beneath an illuminated crucifix, statues of saints behind her, loyal, cheering congregation in front, posing one of her most famous questions: "Why do we crucify ourselves?" For Amos, whose links to religion and spirituality run deep, performing at the Riverside Church was a special occasion, and she unveiled an unusual show of two hours and 15 minutes to match it. Though Amos is on tour to support "Scarlet's Walk," a concept album that traces a fictional trek across America after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the fiery singer pulled out songs from throughout her career. "Crucify," her first hit, was an early highlight, as Amos alternated between stark, electronic beats and her warm piano playing. In the unusual concert setting, her grand piano replaced the altar, the drum set standing where the lectern would be. "To be in a church with you - wow!" she said, taking in her surroundings. "I must give this a moment." Spirituality has been a long-running theme in Amos' songs, her work serving as a complement to religion. While religions strive to take grand beliefs and apply them to individual lives, Amos struggles to take events in individual lives - the "little earthquakes" she recalled in her breakthrough album - and surround them in grandeur. With help from bassist Jon Evans and drummer Matt Chamberlain, Amos succeeds in giving her bold ideas an equally bold musical home, especially when she pushes her strong voice, as in the stridently beautiful "Cool on Your Island." Sometimes, however, her ambitions overtake the music, wearing out particular sounds or staying too long with a certain musical theme. Normally, Amos breaks up similar-sounding songs through her lively rapport with the audience. At Wednesday night's show, though, she said little, causing the end of the main set to drag a bit after she delivered a stirring version of her current single, "A Sorta Fairytale." Amos also seemed to temper her usual onstage ferocity, though hair flips and bench straddling did make appearances, along with percussive piano pounding. Her finale, "Hey Jupiter," showed how Amos can get caught between her ideas and their execution, as her potent lyrics and energetic performance get wrapped in a generic power ballad unworthy of Journey. Opener Howie Day had a similar problem. The singer-songwriter dazzles with his ability to build songs layer-by-layer in front of the audience, performing melody lines or harmony vocals one at a time and then looping them, using a technique pioneered by Joseph Arthur. However, several songs from his album "Australia" weren't interesting enough to get past the gee-whiz factor of seeing them crafted onstage. The exception is his first single, "Ghost," where Day works his layering magic on a gorgeous melody. Amos and Day need to hone more songs to match their ambitious reach and live up to their potential. Copyright (c) 2002, Newsday, Inc. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:47:08 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: billboard riverside review <url: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/livereviews/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_i d=1761897 > Tori Amos / Nov. 13, 2002 / New York (Riverside Church) photo A gothic cathedral is hardly a common setting for a concert, but nonetheless, last night (Nov. 13), New York's massive nondenominational Riverside Church housed one of the more unique concerts of Tori Amos' ongoing tour in support of her latest album, "Scarlet's Walk" (Epic). Perhaps it was fitting, as Amos is the rebellious daughter of a minister and has openly questioned organized religion and a higher power in the lyrics of her songs. It's for those reasons that the irony of such songs as "Crucify" and "Mrs. Jesus" was not lost on either the performer or her fawning audience. Following a bland solo set by opener Howie Day, Amos began her show singing a capella from offstage -- in this case, the church's enormous altar -- the lines of the new album's "Wampum Song." Strolling out in front of a large cross that is the centerpiece of the edifice, Amos was greeted by a standing ovation from the fans lining the pews, and launched her piano and organ into another "Scarlet" track, "Pancake," accompanied only by bassist John Evans and drummer Matt Chamberlain. The set played heavily on new songs, with "Amber Waves," "Wednesday," "Strange," "Sweet Sangria," "I Can't See New York," and the title track all included in the 25-song concert. With the album in stores for just more than two weeks, only a few were met with the frantic, ecstatic cheers that older songs drew through their opening bars, but all were well received upon completion. "To be together in a church... wow!" Amos declared in her only address to the crowd during the show, some 10 songs into the set. As Chamberlain and Evans left the stage, she explained that "backstage" in the women's choir room, her amused father noted that she'd "come full circle" to perform in the church. That left her alone to perform a trio of songs at the piano: "China," "Cool on Your Island," and "Cooling." While the entire performance could be considered very good, if not excellent, it was this interlude that was undoubtedly the best sounding portion of the night, as the trio's amplified output often resulted in lost nuances -- namely the clarity of Amos' vocals -- as it ricocheted off of the stone walls and pillars, and stained glass windows. It's there and in the fanciful lighting (and its large, gleaming silver rigging) that Amos and her crew failed their environment. Instead of embracing the room's abilities to carry even the slightest sounds and magnify her often soaring voice and stupendous piano skills, the band forced an avalanche of sound at a high volume, resulting in a mix that was too often muddy despite the sound engineers' best efforts. Similarly, when simply lit, the altar of the Riverside became ablaze in transcendent splendor (with the red glow of the center cross particularly ominous during "Crucify"), with Amos as its glorious focus. More often, though, a series of robotic spotlights -- hung from an enormous rig that blocked the view of the ornate details above and behind the altar -- beamed haphazardly throughout the church, distracting from the setting, which came off especially badly when a faux stained glass pattern was projected onto the walls and crowd. A pair of encores opened with "Leather," from Amos' first solo album, 1991's "Little Earthquakes." With lines such as "I can scream as loud as your last one, but I can't claim innocence," Amos remained unafraid of tempting the fates throughout her church concert, which also included plenty of typically suggestive writhing on her piano bench, and a well-placed grab of her crotch during "Take to the Sky." Well, at least she held back from performing "God" ("God sometimes you just don't come through"). (Amos' North American tour continues in more traditional venues tomorrow (Nov. 15) at Camden, N.J.'s Tweeter Center at the Waterfront, and will last through a pair of shows March 6 and 7 at New York's Radio City Music Hall.) Here is Amos' Riverside Church set list: "Wampum Prayer" "Pancake" "Take to the Sky" "Mrs. Jesus" "Cornflake Girl" "Lust" "Little Amsterdam" "Sweet Sangria" "Crucify" "Wednesday" "China" "Cool on Your Island" "Cooling" "Strange" "A Sorta Fairytale" "Sugar" "Scarlet's Walk" "Bliss" "I Can't See New York" "Spring Haze" Encore one: "Leather" "Amber Waves" "Hotel" Encore two: "Tear in Your Hand" "Hey Jupiter" -- Barry A. Jeckell, N.Y. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:41:57 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: hartford courant interview <url: http://www.ctnow.com/entertainment/music/hc-toriamos.artnov15,0,2942689.story?co ll=hc%2Dheadlines%2Dmusic > Amos Sees Americans Awakening Younger Generation Seeking Answers Since Sept. 11 November 15, 2002 By ERIC R. DANTON, Courant Rock Critic As she toured the United States last year after Sept. 11, Tori Amos was intrigued by what she found: a country on a collective journey of national self-discovery, seeking to define for themselves the notion of "America." "I would say a memory, a collective memory happened, and the result of that was that people wanted to know who this being we call America really is," Amos said recently by phone from Atlanta, on a tour that stops Saturday in Wallingford. "She was just not an object anymore to be pimped out, to be used, to be excavated. So instead of just taking, people became caretakers of her in need." Amos speaks in soft, measured tones, and it's clear she has thought deeply about what she is saying. After all, she has a different sort of connection to America than many people do. Her grandfather was Cherokee; his family escaped the Trail of Tears by fleeing into the Smoky Mountains. Hearing his stories as a child in North Carolina had a profound influence on Amos and how she views her country. "There's a side to America with quite a shadow. All countries have a shadow; we all do. But people started to see it. This idea that we're everybody's friend - well the rest of the world doesn't see us like that," Amos said. "When we're viewed as a bully, that's like a stab to the heart, because that's not what I believe in. That's not what I believe is empowering. You don't take from others to be strong. You nurture your own garden; it's enough. So to be seen as everything I disagree with, this is not the spirit of America; this is not her soul that my grandfather would talk about." It's that spirit and soul that Amos found people looking for last fall - a sense of searching that inspired Amos to take her own spiritual journey through America on her latest album, "Scarlet's Walk." The album, her eighth, is a sort of sonic road trip tracing the path and chronicling the activities of Scarlet, an alter-ego for Amos, as she crisscrosses the nation. As it happens, Scarlet had some of the same questions of self-identity that Amos encountered among people she met on the road. "I didn't plan all of this; it just kind of happened. And as a writer, you write what you see," Amos said. "Whether you agree with it or not, you write it down. You're recording a time; you're like a sonic camera." On tour, Amos observed that her audience - young people, primarily, who are drawn to her highly personal songwriting - showed signs of a political awakening by not automatically believing everything political leaders told them. "People had questions, a lot of questions," Amos said. "This inner voice was saying, `If you have any questions, you're betraying America.' And it's like, wait a minute. Not so fast. Last time I checked, we were a democracy. So there was a generation that has not chosen to pick up the torch quite yet, but there are rumblings. "That's what I saw, state to state, city to farm," she continued. "It propelled my story. Scarlet had questions, too." Giving birth to her first child in 2000 has understandably altered Amos' perspective on the notion of generational identity as well - something that comes out in the song "Gold Dust," when Scarlet contemplates parenthood. Becoming a parent, Amos said, is a watershed in one's personal history, marking the start of a new phase of life. Before having children, "You don't have to really be a lighthouse; you don't have to pass the torch; you don't quite have one to pass yet. It's your time, right? It's your generation's time, whatever you do with it," Amos said. After becoming a parent, "You can either hold a place for the next generation, be a night watchman, as they pick up the torch, or not. But your job is to hold a space for them to do it, and I have to believe in them, because many of them come to my shows. I'm seeing a grass-roots kind of spark." She is also taken with the way certain groups of people deal with societal change. "Through the ages, as you know, some generations have risen, like they did in 1968, and made a decision - they would not be marginalized by the government. They stopped a war. They shifted history," she said. "Other generations stand back and get handed history and weep and say, `Where are we? Where were we? We were here.'" The task facing the generation that makes up Amos' fan base, she said, is to define what it is going to be. "It really serves those who aren't going to be so affected by the world in 20 years that this generation stays marginalized. They don't want to happen what happened in 1968," she said. "This generation can network better than any generation, but the question is, what will they network about?" Tori Amos plays the careerbuilder.com Oakdale Theatre Saturday, Nov. 16, 2002 at 7:30 p.m. Tickets are $38.50 and $28.50. Information: 203-265-1501. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: thoughts on the Scarlet album So I'm going to try to be positive... Amber Waves: I like the �You said, �he�s got a Healing Machine'...� part, just �cause it sounds pretty. But a ballet dancer-turned-stripper??? How cliche. Amber Waves is also an apparent parallel to her thoughts behind Enjoy the Silence (although I really didn�t sense the showgirl in EtS). A Sorta Fairytale-- I�ve heard this song so much on the radio. That�s what it is: a radio song. Pretty, though. Finally, a Tori song that I can play at my wedding reception without depressing everyone. And, oddly, ASF reminds me of EtS a lot more than AW did. It has that �all I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms� feeling. I appreciated the fact that ASF and AW were adjacent to one another on the CD. They complete EtS somehow. I never really found the showgirl that was supposed to be on the SLG album, and here she is, showing up for the beginning of Scarlet's Walk. I wanna say something about Wednesday in another post. After I finish reading American Gods. I sense that there's something there.... just don't know what yet. Strange-- I think it�s pretty... not too much else to say about it. I don�t feel like the map matches it. It feels more like a Georgia-Carolina song, but I guess that part of the tour of America was already taken by Wampum Prayer. Carbon-- ahh, the first *interesting* song, if you ask me. Finally something that sounds different on this album. And hi Neil. I LOVED �Snow Glass Apples�. Go read it-- it�s a short story in Smoke and Mirrors. They have copies of it online, too-- just type "snow glass apples" into Yahoo, and you should be able to find it. I think Carbon may be my favorite song on the album. :-) Crazy-- if you name a song �Crazy�, don�t do a lazy boring moan thing the whole time, thank you. *yawn* Don�t make me come to Vegas-- uhm, I don't want to be negative, so no comment. Your Cloud-- pretty AND it has substance! THANK GOD. She actually hits some different notes beyond that one-octave range that she was sticking to in most of the other songs. I'm glad that Tori actually has some sweet love songs, without all the bitterness. Pancake-- it sounds an awful lot like Crazy. �cept the almost banshee-sound (yay). Too bad she uses it a little annoyingly. Uhm, and could she please not be so straight-forward with her lyrics? I wish I can�t see NY were just piano, without the �arp� (???whateverthatis???). I don�t think I care for the rounded electronic sound. As for the song itself.... I'm not sure yet. I know that I *should* like it. Let's just leave it at that. Mrs. Jesus-- nice nods to Zeppelin and the Beatles. sure. Taxi Ride-- ooh, the beginning sounds like another song of hers-- oh wait, it was A Sorta Fairytale. I like Taxi Ride, though, I think. I like the way �I�m glad you�re on my side� sounds. Another girl�s paradise-- starts out okay. The middle�s okay. I think it ends okay. �I am Desire�. Maybe her next album will have her singing, �I am Delirium�. Yech. �does it all come down to the thing?� oh sure, sure. I like how she sings that line, though-- it has a nice powerful flow to it. Scarlet�s Walk-- banshee wail in the beginning!!! A good, well-placed one!! YAY. Hmm... I actually think I enjoyed this song. �If you�re a thought you will want me to think you�-- I like that line. :-) I really liked Virginia and, to a lesser extent, Gold Dust. I just don't have much to say about them right now. Favorites: Carbon, Scarlet�s Walk, and maybe Your Cloud. I thought Sweet Sangria, gold dust, Virginia, and Wednesday at least had some substance to them, but I wouldn�t call them favorites necessarily. Everything else was just OKAY. While she uses the Bosendorfer on a lot of tracks, you can�t really hear it. I like the Bosendorfer, I miss the Bosendorfer. Or the harpsicord!! I liked the harpsicord too!! She should�ve harpsicorded one of the songs, like Crazy.. . So it�d be, ya know..... crazy. I think I need to give this album time to grow on me. ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:11:24 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: torandnan@juno.com, precious0147@yahoo.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kimplicity@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, lyricallacquer@hotmail.com Subject: very very very interesting article... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20021114/hl_nm/sex_prod uctivity_dc_1 <--- this article is.. to say the VERY least.. *very interesting*.. read on.. Sex Urged for More Productivity Thu Nov 14, 6:06 PM ET SINGAPORE (Reuters) - An international conference on sex started in strait-laced Singapore on Thursday. And if that wasn't unlikely enough, participants said they may have found a pleasurable way to boost the drooping world economy. Healthy sex lives make happy workers, who will in turn create a more robust economy, said Emil Ng, sex therapist and founder of the Asian Federation of Sexology. "Sexual health is not just about absence of diseases or dysfunction.... It is about the ability to enjoy sex," Ng told reporters on the sidelines of the 7th Asian Congress of Sexology. "This will improve the whole nation's well-being and productivity. "When your economy is down, sexual activity will be lower, not because of sexual problems, but financial problems. This is a vicious cycle." Experts also said that sexual myths rooted in Asia's diverse religions and cultures could create social problems that spread into an adult's working life. "In the Asian context, there are more myths and misconceptions surrounding sexuality which can contribute to dysfunction and family disharmony," said Ganesh Adaikan, president of this year's congress. Sex and the economy also crossed paths in the 1960s when "the Pill" gave women control over reproduction and heralded an influx of women into the workforce, they said. The 4-day congress has a host of topics on the anvil--the "P spot," the "G spot" and other erogenous zones, enhanced Viagra-like drugs to cure male erectile dysfunction, sexuality after 50 and new dimensions of the Kama Sutra, India's ancient treatise on sex. Aimed at enhancing awareness of sexual health in Asia, the congress has been held previously in Hong Kong, China, India, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:11:26 -0600 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Frustrating 11/15/02 9:03 am I just keep frustrating myself with this whole David issue...this is really getting on my fucking nerves...I seriously don't know why I like him, he is a damn asshole. He called my friend a f@gg0t. That word...I have no tolerance for that word...I either ask them not to use that word anymore or not to say it infront of me, but I still don't like the person as much anymore if they were to say that word. How could anyone hate a person just because they are gay...I think that a lot of people don't even realize that that's what they're saying, but that's what it means! David is somewhat homophobic and that's like one of the worst qualities a person could have- but yet, why am I still fucking attracted to him...this is such shit! That's not even the only thing he does that I don't like...he does many many many things that I don't like at all. *shaking my head* I'm cursed or something...I mean, as soon as I heard what he called my friend I was already in the healing process of getting over him and then when my friend told me he called him a f@gg0t, I felt like I was completely over him because that turned me off! Then, I saw him in the hall and I don't know what it was but I got those damn feelings again and I touched his hand and it all came back. *slapping myself* I swear, I'll get over him, I just have to find a way for me to stop falling for him everytime I see him and thinking I'm over him everytime he's not around and I hear about more of his asshole way of speaking and doing. This probably getting really old for you all to read so you can skip over this if you want, I just need to let off my feelings somewhere I feel comfortable spilling my guts...I feel like I can let out my feelings soooooooooo incredibly easily online to people I haven't really known that long or even met before better than people I know better...It's very strange but I feel like that's what I want to do. Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Subliminal Day Off digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? 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