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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:38:00 -0800
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RDT Right Now #1765
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1765
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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potential virus alert. [ "heidi maier" <maier@joynet.com.au> ]
towers, phalic imagery or just a nea [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ]
Question... [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
Amazing... [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
I met Tori! [ "Julie Patrick" <hippi@hotmail.com> ]
the stone rolls over [ john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
Be it dead or alive [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:24:17 +1000
From: "heidi maier" <maier@joynet.com.au>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: potential virus alert.
i fear that an attachment i received with a spam e-mail, but did not open,
may nonetheless have inserted itself into my address book and sent e-mails
to those listed therein. please use your virus protection scanning program
to check for this. i am not sure that this actually did happen, but wanted
to alert you, just in case.
i sincerely apologise -- i attempt to filter all spam [but they have so
many addresses, some inevitably gets through] and this one did its thing
regardless of whether its attachment was opened or not.
apologetically,
heidi maier.
[Note from Violet: viruses can't be transmitted through rdtrn
because the list doesn't allow attachments,
so one needs to worry about getting infected
though the digests. :) ]
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:33:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca>
To: "RDT Right Now [yes yes :]" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: towers, phalic imagery or just a neat picture?
Happy Yule everyone!
oh and happy every-holiday-of-this-time-of-year. May you celebrate as
many as you can get away with!
So I watched "The Two Towers" last night (midnight first showing :)
didn't get dressed up *grr*
oh well.
I like
worth it
they remembered story bits that usually get forgotten
and haven't changed it TOO much.
I like it better than the first :)
No spoilers, no warnings, nothing of any kind will I say :)
other than that...
what does it mean when you feel emotions (of any kind) that are so strong
and overpowering you can only barely hang on?
G'day, eh? :)
- Teunis
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:55:45 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Question...
12/18/02
I gotta question about this mailing list Really Deep Thoughts Right Now:
The thoughts that are posted on this mailing list aren't posted on
thedent.com, right? I hope not...
Julie H.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:54:06 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Amazing...
12/18/02
It's amazing how you can get over someone after having an infatuation with
them for so long. So many things about David turned me off in the first
place as I wondered what it was I was actually attracted to and shallowly of
myself, most of it was it drop dead gorgeous looks, but I feel like there
must've been more because I don't think I would get infatuated over just
looks, but maybe that was the Shallow Julie. She's my twin, I have many
twins...so I guess you wouldn't call it a twin, you'd call it a hundreduplet
or something like that...I have many! Anyways, so many things have turned
me off about him that I would think are a lot more offensive and
unattractive about him, but this one thing completely crossed the line. My
friend Matt said to David, "Why are you being mean to Julie when you liked
each other?" and he said, "Julie? Oh yeah, that short girl who had a crush
on me..." He acted like he didn't even know me. My stomach felt as though
there were tall flames burning. So many other things are worse than that
but I guess in my heart that was the line he crossed.
I didn't know if this was all the way over him because I've tried to do that
before and it didn't work.
I usually see him walking down the hall at the end of the day so I wanted to
see if I got the same rapid warm butterflies I usually get one I see him,
and I didn't...I didn't even look at him to wave...I saw him out of the
corner of my eye and he didn't look at me either. I didn't feel bad either,
IT'S COMPLETELY OVER...and technically, we were never boyfriend/girlfriend,
it was different.
Anyways, fuck him!
Julie H.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:56:08 -0600
From: "Julie Patrick" <hippi@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: I met Tori!
I finally got an opportunity to meet Tori...backstage at the Fox Theatre in
St. Louis. Click on this link to see it!
http://mrspatrick.tripod.com/
(It's my website for my classroom)
Enjoy!
Julie
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:06:10 -0500 (EST)
From: john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: the stone rolls over
Beth said:
> I long ago gave up on the hope that Rolling Stone would ever get its
> head out of its ass.
This is why I didn't respond on that question. Rolling Stone did exactly
what they've been doing for decades now, I don't expect anything else.
> IMO, the last remotely good issue they did was the one after Kurt
> Cobain died,
They did well by George Harrison, too. But they obviously have no
interest in or respect for living musicians, only dead ones.
> I'm honestly surprised Ms. Jett hasn't also given up on them.
But wasn't there some question about whether she actually wrote that or
not?
Estraven said:
> Even the local clubs, the nurseries of new music, are increasingly
> under their boot--in America at any rate.
This is not true, at least so far, in New York. There are many, many
small storefront clubs, and they seem pretty independent.
As B/4,
John
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:23:00 +1100
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Be it dead or alive
Nice way of sorting out your dog's name Simon - letting it basically choose
it's own.
I meant to do a clarification of that "Joan Jett" letter to Rolling Stone.
I did mention it was written by Maya Price, who is said to be a performer
in NYC. But had it been by Joan it would have had a lot more clout. Maybe
it's not Joan's style but it might be something someone like Courtney Love
could run with since she's not afraid to shoot her mouth off.
Beth wrote in #1764:
>RS isn't a music magazine; it's a lifestyle magazine claiming to be a
>music magazine.
While the local version has some Aussie content, it's largely the same
articles as the US one. I used to read it religiously about 10 to 15 years
ago and pretty much gave up altogether over 5 years ago. It turned from
something I could read from cover to cover to something I could flip
through in 5 minutes. People who've been reading it longer say it went
downhill at the time when I started reading it. RS is R.S. I did pick up a
copy in the US while waiting in the airport lounge in Seattle and there was
an actress on the cover (barely clothed as all covers are these days) and
very little real music content.
I think the Cobain issue was the last one I bought here, but I'd already
stopped reading it by then.
>I think the proliferation of underground music through alternative
>channels -- mp3.com (which is now charging users and music-makers an arm
>and a leg, thus pretty much killing off one of the good alternative
>sources), kazaa/morpheus, internet radio, word of mouth, etc. -- is what's
>happening.
Ahem, killing off the illegitimate channels. Let's not go down that path.
I'm another that barely listens to the radio these days, too much crap, but
they're nowhere near as bad as the stations in the US, but they aren't what
they used to be either.
Since RS long went off my radar, I'd read about bands through weekly music
papers, see them on late night TV on "Rage", which is the best source of
videos for new music, or just by plain word of mouth. In this
electronically enlightened age, I include what I read on mailing lists in
the category of word of mouth, as it's written by people who aren't getting
paid a cent. Word of mouth is still a major decision maker for me. If
someone with similar tastes and seems to know what they're talking about
says something kicks ass, that's all I need to know.
>Mass media is catering to the lowest common denominator.
That's all it will ever be, it's simple economics.
From Estraven...
>I'll keep this short, as there's a storm coming--we've already got the
>tornado watch up. I can see both on the live NOAA feed from their
>website as I type this...oops, not live anymore, just got
>disconnected...
Same thing happens here when there's a storm warning. Thankfully they don't
turn on their side like they do in your part of the world, so the worst
you've got to worry about is that your car's under cover from hail.
>my opinion was that rock was already terminally
>ill around 1975 or so, and was definitely dead by the early 80s, when
>MTV hit the airwaves. The Police, IMHO, were the last rock band who
>could honestly be called that. The "hair bands" which followed, as
>typified by G'n'R(tm) and a horde of entertainment-industrial complex
>manufactured soundalikes, were an ugly joke.
As a long time fan, I'd have trouble calling The Police a rock band. At
least not what I think of as rock. Rock definitely was dead by the early
80's. It was washed away by pop, the New Romantic movement (basically
electronica) and, as you say, the "hair bands". I never saw hair bands as
rock as they had metal tendencies and were more serious about their look
than their music. Throwaway metal if you like. The only music that
resembled rock in the 80's is what would be called "prog rock" these days.
>The whole Nirvana-and-aftermath "alternative" scene was just an
>echo
I'll agree with this, but I didn't raise Nirvana as a name for their
musical originality as it was just a re-hash of 70's rock. The only
difference between grunge and traditional rock was the level of anger. I
always saw grunge as being the bastard child of rock and punk, so it was
really only the melding of the two that made it "new". Sure, they weren't
the first to do it, might not have been the best, but they were the most
stellar.
By mentioning Nirvana, what I was referring to was the whole rock music
industry had been in limbo for years and out of nowhere the grunge movement
exploded out of nowhere. In a way, it was a logical reaction to the seeming
lack of action. The music scene is in the same state of limbo now and has
been since the record company mega-mergers in the late 90's which killed
off so many promising and/or popular bands.
What is being promoted as rock these days doesn't interest me. Bands like
The Vines and The Strokes sound like they stepped straight out of the 70's.
There's no new angle and the sound is only being promoted as fresh as the
traditional purchasers of music, the 15-25 year old demographic, haven't
really heard it before.
If you think the new music scene is dead in your part of the world, it died
here in the late 90's when the state governments allowed pokies (slot
machines) into pubs. It's far cheaper to have a room of people pissing
their pay packets away on machines than it is to have a live band. Grass
roots music venues are few and far between now, where it was once a
thriving industry. The only bands making money out of the live scene are
the ones who have been going since the 70's and 80's and have a large
support base. Those are the sorts of bands we need least, as much as we
might love them.
But since the late 90's mega-mergers, record companies haven't been taking
risks on signing bands they once would have. At first it was a matter of
trying to find their own direction in the new business world, but the
proliferation of pirated music on the net has only made them shrink further
back from taking a risk. It is that sort of siege mentality that will stop
the world getting a "new Nirvana", which we so dearly need.
Hell, if you'd said to me a year ago I'd be listening to rap I would have
said "fuck you", but now it seems to be the only interesting scene.
How the mighty have fallen.
Brian
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