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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1773
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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top 10 of 2002 [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
Needing love kisses [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
amateurs copy, professionals steal [ john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
Re: rap [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
winter holiday trads.. [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ]
RE: Tori for Hollywood Walk of Fame. [ "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com> ]
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:47:26 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: top 10 of 2002
Years ago, when I was a music critic, I was sometimes asked at year's-end
what my top 10 albums of the year were. Being a music critic (and, some of
the time, also working in a music store) allowed me to hear enough new music
in a year that 10 could be culled from the masses as the "best" or my
"favorite." Since then, I have listened less and less to new music,
backfilling my collection with missing items or exploring old avenues that I
wasn't ready for when they were new. I still like doing a top 10, but
instead I tend to do the top 10 albums I listened to in a given year,
whether they were released that year or not.
That said, in no particular order (okay, it'll be alphabetical) were the 10
albums I think I loved most in 2002:
Tori Amos, "Scarlet's Walk": This was a much-anticipated album, and I admit,
I wanted to wait but as soon as those six songs from the sampler were
released, I was listening to them several times daily. My first reaction was
that it was much more pop than I'm used to from Tori, but in a way it was
like "Little Earthquakes" to the next level. I loved the concept -- a
walking tour of America's soul -- and love many of the songs. "Carbon" is
probably my favorite from the album now, and I think "Gold Dust" is one of
her best songs of all time.
Apocalyptica, "Cult": I can't tell you how much I fell in love with this
album, even the first time I listened to it. This group of Finnish cellists
is mainly known for its covers of songs by other heavy metal artists, but
this is a collection of original "heavy cello" works that are phenomenal. As
a longtime metal fan and a fan of cello music (from Ofra Harnoy to
Rasputina), this band and this album seemed perfect for me. It's gorgeous,
nuanced, stormy, intense, dynamic and profound. I wound up writing a long
essay about the album <a
href="http://echoes.devin.com/apocalyptica-cult.html";>here</aif those
adjectives aren't enough to convince you.
Bjork, "Vespertine": I listed this album in my top 10 last year, but for
different reasons. Last year, I loved this album on its own merits, as (I
believe) Bjork's best album to date. After Sept. 11, it also became a
comfort to me (especially the song "Aurora"). This year, it took on new
meaning in light of a new facet of an old relationship; as things changed
within me, I found Bjork's voice echoing inside, especially songs like
"Hidden Place" and "Pagan Poetry." Her voice said, many times, what mine was
not ready to.
Fourtet, "Pause": I discovered this album by accident while wandering the
aisles at Amoeba. It's light, ambient electronica, warmfuzzy and friendly
and occasionally haunting. Soundwise, it reminds me a lot of "Vespertine"
actually, with a lot of harplike and bell-like tones, chimes and such. The
samples, too, I find charming, from the sounds of children playing to the
clacking of computer keyboards. It's a well-balanced album, perfect for
background and parties, but also good for listening intently.
Heavy Metal: Yes, I know, this isn't an album. I wholeheartedly re-embraced
my metal fandom this year, finally admitting that yes, I still like White
Lion and Skid Row and Metallica and Guns and Roses and the Cult and all the
rest. Conveniently enough, I discovered a fellow Tori listmember, Gabriela
Kulka, was recording these gorgeous covers of Bruce Dickinson and Iron
Maiden songs. I had never heard either of them before, not to my knowledge
anyway. I got to know the songs through her covers, and then started going
back to the originals. Gabriela also tipped me off to a band called Jag
Panzer, one of those carrying the torch for Maiden-style metal today.
Through Jag Panzer, I discovered Iced Earth, another in the genre (although
they occasionally remind me of old Metallica as well). Both Jag Panzer and
Iced Earth produce baroque, anthemic metal that sounds fresh and new while
still honoring its roots. From there I also heard snatches of other bands --
Dark Tranquillity, Arch Enemy (whose female singer I interviewed). I expect
these discoveries to flourish in the coming years, but some of the albums I
acquired in this vein include: Iron Maiden, "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son;"
Bruce Dickinson, "Best Of," "Chemical Wedding," and "Accident of Birth;" Jag
Panzer, "Mechanized Warfare" and "Thane to the Throne" (a retelling of
"Macbeth"); Iced Earth, "Something Wicked This Way Comes;" and Arch Enemy,
"Wages of Sin."
Lacuna Coil, "Comalies": A friend of mine (bless him) introduced me to
Lacuna Coil a couple of years ago, and their album "Unleashed Memories" was
almost a constant companion to me in 2001. I was thrilled that they were
able to release another album this year, and moreso when I discovered how
good it was. They got better -- a feat I thought nearly impossible! For
those not familiar, Lacuna Coil is an Italian metal band with touches of
goth. They have dramatic, intense songs and two vocalists, one who does
fairly standard male singing/growling. And then there's Cristina Scabbia,
whose voice is gorgeous and amazing and so much better than any other female
heavy metal singer I can think of. I told their publicist that I had shared
a particularly special kiss to the title track of this album and she
responded, "It has already been said that 'Comalies' sounds like the
soundtrack to a great romance -- you have stumbled upon its true meaning.'"
Mediaeval Baebes, "The Rose"/Mediaeval Baebes live: The Mediaeval Babes is
another group that continues to get better and better. This album ranges
more widely from the mediaeval English, Latin, French, and German songs
they've done before, incorporating Welsh, Italian, modern Russian, and more.
I got to see the ensemble live for the first time this year, and they did
not disappoint. I only wish they could have sung twice as long!
New Model Army: Like Iron Maiden, New Model Army is a band I've heard about
for years -- and have had recommended to me -- but didn't manage to hear
until 2002. In both cases I think they hit at the perfect time. I only have
two of NMA's albums -- "The Independent Story" and "The Ghost of Cain," but
I adore everything about them, from the punk-inflected blues rock (or is
that blues-inflected punk rock? Whatever.) and Justin Sullivan's singular
voice. They're political without being overly so, snarky in the tradition of
the British, and yet maintain a sense of hope somehow. And the lyrics are
amazing.
Nine Inch Nails, "Still": I have nothing but respect for Trent Reznor, and
his albums have been companions to me over the years. But nothing could have
prepared me for how beautiful this little album (EP?) is. It's a collection
of pared-down old songs and a few new ones. "Something I Can Never Have,"
one of the first songs I heard, done live and alone in the studio. "The
Becoming" turned into an almost acoustic song. "The Fragile" living up to
its name, structurally. And the new songs -- especially the gorgeous
instrumental "Leaving Hope" -- are understated and underrated. I think this
is my favorite NIN album.
System of a Down, "Aerials": This band was entirely overhyped in 2002, but I
thought they wrote and released one song that will have real value beyond
pop culture and passing trends (although I do like their other music). I
loved the message of this song from the very first time I heard it, and my
wish is that the legions of teens singing along to it on radio stations
across the country will take its words to heart.
--
"This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished,
outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on
television." -- Dennis Miller
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:35:40 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Needing love kisses
1/1/03
7:27 pm
For a few days now I've been craving love...craving to be french kissed
really passionately. I think it's been from watching movies and TV shows
where it happens a lot. Or even in songs how some people describe it. I
really want it. It even makes me think about if I had kissed David a long
time ago would I have enjoyed that expierence even though I don't love him
and I actually don't like him very much either. It's very confusing to me.
Also, I know that if I were to go out there and find a guy that I really
like and go and a date with them that my parents would have to meet them and
they wouldn't have any problem with it, but then they'd have to see me all
ga-gad and my mom would be all like, "That's sweet." and my dad would be all
like uncomfortable around that situation...I mean, he'd allow it, it's just,
I don't like akwardness. It's a hard thing to discuss with
parents...crushes, butterflies in the stomach, that kinda feeling.
I was so happy to be over David and ready to move on with my life...which I
have, I never stopped my life because of him, but it was pretty occupied
with that subject as you all probably know from the countless thought
e-mails I've sent this mailing list. I feel like I might be weakening my
strength to getting over him a little, but I'm gonna stay strong and realize
that he has nothing I want but looks...and that's shallow. Although, I feel
like there must've been something else...but I don't know what it is. It's
very confusing.
Well, I'll update you about it.
Anyways, I have some other things I would like to write about to you all
later on tonight but my brother's gonna use the computer now.
Current place: In my house, in my basement.
Current music/sounds: "Gold Dust" by Tori Amos, me typing, the laundry
machine going, my brother's feet coming down the stairs
Current mood: Tired & spacy & unsettled & wanting
Julie H.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:09:00 -0500 (EST)
From: john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: amateurs copy, professionals steal
Dani wrote another excellent post, including:
> Collage is a respected genre of art, isn't it?
I haven't jumped in on this thread so far, mostly because I don't follow
hip-hop like I did back in the older days (and I don't mean '97-'99,
more like the 1980s).
But your more general point above caught my eye. Collage is most
definitely a respected form of "fine art." And, while not as entirely
accepted as collage, cut-ups are pretty generally seen as a valid form of
literature. Tom Stoppard has created several very good (and thought-
provoking) plays based on plays by Shakespeare, and they are definitely
original works of art, not adaptations or "covers."
Art is almost always built on other art, one way or another. To my mind,
it's a lot more interesting (and honest) to simply take a portion of
another work of art, rather than create a watered-down copy. Is it better
for Tori to sit down to try to write a song kind of like Leonard Cohen, or
to tackle "Famous Blue Raincoat"?
Also, in the whole history of art, the idea of anybody owning a melody or
a story or an image is quite a recent idea. A few hundred years ago, if
you were a musician and you heard a song you liked, you tried to learn it,
and in the process you tried to develop a version of it which suited you.
Sometimes the final result ended up almost unrecognizeably different,
other times it was pretty close to the original. Then someone else would
hear your version and start to work up *their* version of that.
For a more general point, it's very silly to judge any form of music by
what gets onto the radio, especially these days. There's a radio station
here in NY called CD-101. They talk about jazz, and they play Muzak. I
feel sorry for anybody who never gets to hear the real thing, but, for any
kind of music, you have to go *way* beyond what the radio plays for you.
Being in the audience takes work, just like being on the stage.
Happy new year to all.
As B/4,
John
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:12:18 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: rap
1/2/03
10:11 am
I enjoy a lot of rap music. When I say I hate Eminem, I mean, I hate him.
I don't hate the genre of rap. Sure, there are many rappers that I don't
like and don't enjoy their music, but there are many rappers that I do like
and enjoy their music.
Julie H.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: winter holiday trads..
My answer to the Rock thing though? (Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock) is..
Hail, Hail, Hail and Kill
Manowar-the -true- Kings of Metal
(mind you, no idea what THEY are up to these days)
Just because the screaming confusions of "mass media" tend to drown out
anything they can, doesn't mean it isn't out there.
the whole -concept- of "Mass Media" destroys the value of everything -
particularily itself.
So Rock's prolly still around, depending on what you consider the label to
apply to :)
Now, I'm Wiccan, and as such I celebrate yule or midwinter and this year
celebrated with people I'll describe someday... *g*
Now onto holiday trads, as I'm just back from mine:
- Family Christmas Dinner (I missed this *really really really deep sigh*)
one of the elders in the family host this and all the local family and
whoever can come from further away show up. Usually about 40-60 people,
all family. I missed it by -4- hours, and as I was on my second day of
straight driving to try and get there on time, that sucked. Oh well.
Gift exchange there (for ex) involves pulling names out of a hat. a
person can either take a gift from the tree (everyone brings a single
gift, worth "not much" but I've seen some pretty pricy things :) or from
someone who's already opened theirs. If a gift is taken, they have that
choice too, until the third person - who MUST take from under the tree.
As the family's made up of roughneck-types - mostly mechanics - toolkits,
tools, candy and anything terribly practical - tend to be taken the most.
Lots of laughter and silliness...
- Christmas Eve with the visit to all the children by Santa Claus (my
stepdad). All the children (this year 8) plus parents and the occasional
uncle (such as my stepbrother Micah and myself :) go downstairs by the
fire and fireplace and wait by the wood-shute for that guy to show up. My
stepdad usually makes some kind of excuse to check things up, goes outside
and promptly gets into a loud argument with Santa Claus. (at which all
the kids laugh). At some point Santa Claus sends packages down the wood
shute. New pyjamas for all the kids! As this whole thing is QUITE
traditional for the family, everyone laughs a lot and the kids all show
off their new duds.
- Christmas itself tends to be quiet. Just immediate family
(mom,stepdad,grandmother,and whatever siblings+children show up)
Now, I've got 4 stepbrothers, 2 stepsisters and 1 brother that all live up
there. Most are married with kids. It can get busy sometimes :)
(I have more brothers, halfbrothers, stepsisters and stepbrothers
elsewhere, but who am I to keep track of everyone :)
- Boxing Day or if I remember correctly "The Feast of St Stephen". Rather
than shop (a popular activity) we decided (by 'it just happened' method -
I've posted before about this :) to hold an Annual Boxing Day Bakeoff.
This year it was open chocolate category. Next year's cinnamon :).
Anyways, after chocolate-covered sausages (pork), an Aztec dish (slightly
modernized) of turkey in a sort of chocolate-tomato-... sauce, giant
S'more, a home-made (family secret) Black Forest cake (my brother Alex
made that) and lots more I can't keep track of, we were all pretty
chocolated out. I made chocolate-dipped rose fondant candies myself :)
My grandmother's cream puffs as usual dissappeared in nothing flat... My
mom's family is an old-fashioned dutch family and we all bake and cook a
lot of stuff that most people only find in specialty bakeries (like
Stollen *g*). My stepdad's family are all old-fashioned British, and same
thing there. Neat combination.
- I actually skipped out before new year, but the family always has a
fondue (and a chocolate fondue for desert), olybolle (deep fried bread
with dried fruit in it VERY yummy and I'm misspelling the name) and lots
of noise.
- 12th night (Jan 6) is when a celebration for the Three Kings happens,
and if we get around to it the tree is taken down. At least we remove the
decorations. If by some miracle the tree's still healthy, we keep it up
and try to convince it to grow roots. (hasn't happened yet). And we
decorate it for whatever holidays happen (Valentine's Day, St Patrick's
Day, Easter, ya know, those kinds :)
(anyone who yells 'cruelty to trees' has to grow up and live out in the
boonies for a while. Extra points if they have to haul in water and have
no indoor plumbing. Double if your family does all kinds of things to
make the local area as healthy as possible :)
Me, I celebrated New Years at this most marvelous party where many things
can happen. hrm. Should have brought a towel. As it was I was the only
person (not in the hot tub) not wearing anything more than a tie at the
official call. *silly grin*. Now considering that before some rather
bizarre parties earlier this year i had not been naked around -anyone-
_PERIOD_ since I was 13, this is a big change for me. Also, about 30-40
of my closest friends were at the party this year. Methinks I'm in
trouble... (in a silly way). Anyways, it was a good party.
btw - my family doesn't drink and neither do I (normally :)
I was -not- drunk new years but I did try (after midnight). Didn't
succeed though the 150-proof cherry helped :)
Interesting holiday.
Anyhoo, more later :)
G'day, eh? :)
- Teunis
PS: a belated Happy New Year to those that celebrate this calendar. I
like Samhain New Year myself, but there ARE others :)
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:54:38 -0800
From: "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: RE: Tori for Hollywood Walk of Fame...
All of us have to send in the applications (otherwise they'll never know,
right??), please spread the word on the other message boards that any of you
are also involved with.
[Note from Violet: keep in mind that one of the requirements
is that a letter of agreement from the celebrity or his/her
representative be included with the application. The
committee will not accept the application without this
letter. The reason the celebrity has to agree to a nomination
is because if they're chosen, they have to be willing to fork
out the required $15,000 fee for the dedication ceremony.]
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