RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1775

RDT Right Now #1775

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:16:08 -0800
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O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o no I can't hold [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] awww [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] Dreams [ Jacob Hirsch <jrh4v@yahoo.com> ] delurkifying [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] bandwagon fun [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] i'm alive...barely [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ] penises, hamsters and rising expecta [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] even white boys got to shout [ "Dani Ringrose" <chronic_sublime@ho ] ay. this is bad. really bad. bad bad [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:18:18 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: no I can't hold Hey all, I've noticed some discussion of Scarlet's Walk here in the past digest, in part because both Brian Cooper and Bethany Rusen mentioned it. I was wondering, this morning, whether people have a favorite song (or favorite songs) on the album, and if so, what are they, and why? For a long time, for me, it was "Gold Dust," which is still incredibly moving to me. Getting to see Tori perform it live in SF on the last night of the tour was a real blessing to me. Now, it's "Carbon." Something about those harmonies -- that's what pulled me in. But it's the verse about Neil that always gets to me, I think because it reminds me of a close friend of mine. He and I have a relationship a lot like I think Tori and Neil do (except we talk on the phone less and see each other more). I'd very much be the one calling him saying "Just tell me a story, something that's just fantasy" and he'd be the one saying, "No, you have to face this." I cry almost every time I hear that verse. I love a lot of the other songs, or rather I love *moments* in a lot of the other songs. The "I was alone when I knew it was real" parts of "Crazy," the "what I want is not to want what isn't mine" line in "Another Girl's Paradise," the whole feel of "Wednesday." I think one of my favorite lines on the whole album is "sunwise to clockwise," on "Virginia," marking the change in timekeeping from respecting the sun on the land, and respecting the hours, minutes and seconds of artificial time constructs. (Time has been a really big theme for me this year.) Bethany wrote: > 1. Rasputina, "Cabin Fever!" (www.rasputina.com) Tons of people I respect love this album. I still haven't managed to get into it! I should try harder. It feels like a disappointment to me because I loved the other two so much. > 5. Eminem, The Eminem Show I think I'm somewhat close to breaking down and buying this album. I sort of can't stop enjoying the singles when I hear them on the radio. > there's a couple small things that's keeping it from being an > excellent album. I would say that it's too long, but at the same time I > don't know what I'd get rid of (besides "Wampum Prayer"). Maybe I'm missing something, but I *love* "Wampum Prayer" and to me it's the core of the album. A lot of other people have said they don't like it. Elaborate? :) Brian wrote: > 3. Concrete Blonde - Group Therapy. At the time this came out, I described > it as the return of an old lover. 8 years since their last album and > they've still got it. I only liked their album "Bloodletting." (I've only heard it and "Mexican Moon," and the latter bored me. But my tastes are different now; perhaps I should give it another try). What's it like? > Jimmy Eat World (self titled) Very pop-rock, but they sound different to > most of the bands getting around these days. Yes, they sound a lot like a throwback to the '80s, which is really fun to hear right now. I don't think they're really doing it in a conscious way, or as an affect, it just happens to be how they sound. Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:04:04 -0800 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: awww I do enjoy writing you guys email. ;) Okay so before midnight on new year's eve I kissed four people, two of them girls and two boys. yay. at least I got kissed, this is good. I also got smashingly drunk and had lots of fun. my friend jessica let me kiss her boyfriend wes and then she kissed me. ;) how sweet. Brian Cooper is gonna marry me, he just doesn't know it yet. For my new year's resolution i want to get laid, go skinny-dipping and I gave up chocolate. this is going okay but trust me, i get cravings out the ass. oooh, chocolate dripping out the ass.....*drools* Grammy nominations shall be announced tomorrow and I'm really hoping that Bruce Springsteen's "The Rising" gets a LOT of nominations because that album seriously deserves it. Norah Jones deserves some too and NOT just best new artist. I hate that category. I have self-defense at 5pm. kickass. -love jessica ha ha! no comeback to ham! -- satchel, get fuzzy _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jacob Hirsch <jrh4v@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Dreams Here's an interesting one... Beth wrote: "Dream of World Peace in the New Year" I'm not saying this is a bad thing at all, far from it, but I wonder if anyone else hears what I hear when I hear the word "dream"... To me, the word dream can denote something that wouldn't really happen in reality, it denotes thinking instead of action. Maybe to me the word dream means the slightly more descriptive "pipe dream". It goes along with the word hope. If I hope something will happen that's kind of a non-action, non-external anyway. I feel like too often people hope for things and dream for things when neither of those actions (or more accurately, inactions) will get there where they want to be. Not that there isn't value in envisioning what a peaceful world would be like. If you don't envision it, hope for it, dream for it, you'll never get to it cause you won't know where you are going. Of course the biggest reason that I disagree with the above definition of the word is the "I have a dream" speech by MLK. He was dreaming, but it became something of a reality (although this is debated by many). There is nothing wrong with dreaming for dreams sake... but it doesn't *necessarily* show that you are trying to do anything about it. I'm not saying that's what Beth meant in her post, just wondering what people think about the word dream. So that was a bit of a rambling post, but hopefully it caught some RDTer's attention and at least brought into question their definition of the word dream. Peace, Jake p.s. Dreaming while sleeping... does anyone believe that dreams can predict the future? I had a dream before september 11th that I was on a plane with some friends from NY and we crashed in a forrest in western PA. This was only weeks before September 11th. A year or so later I dreampt that I had my car broken into and damaged in Washington DC and the cops didn't care. I live about 30 minutes from there, but don't go there often. A few weeks after the dream I went to see a soccer game in DC and low and behold my car had been broken into and damaged... Not surprisingly the cops didn't seem to care much. I don't remember my dreams very much but when I do they sometimes include things like the above... I'm not much of a spiritual person, but this, plus the Deja Vu that I get pretty regularly in situations that are totally random makes me wonder a lot. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:28:49 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: delurkifying sorry i've been silent the last month. i've just been busy, and i have about a dozen digests sitting in my inbox, screaming "READ ME!" i typed up a nice long post a couple weeks ago, but my computer ate it so i gave up. anyway, anyone see the film "righteous babes?" it features women rockers (REAL ones, like tori, ani, sinead, etc.), and tori talks and plays in it. she said something funny about masturbation in it, but i don't remember the exact quote. great film. i started doing a pastel drawing from a picture i have of tori. i hope it comes out good. if it does, i'll scan it, upload it, and send the link. right now i'm still on winter break, and when i go back to college i have to move into another room (a single!). well... that's all i can think of. HI to everyone! may the tori be with you! -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:49:57 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: bandwagon fun my turn (finally)! 1. Which is your favourite album? little earthquakes 2. Best album art? boys for pele 3. Best album title? boys for pele (pele rocks) 4. All time fave tori song? "silent all these years," "mr. zebra," and "winter" 5. Fave song from... Little Earthquakes? "silent all these years" and "winter" Under the Pink? "cornflake girl" >From the Choirgirl Hotel? "playboy mommy" To Venus and Back? "bliss" Strange Little Girls? "strange little girl" Scarlet's Walk? oh, so many... i can't decide. "amber waves," "a sorta fairytale," "wednesday," "taxi ride," and "pancake" 6. What was your first fave Tori song? "playboy mommy" even though it used to make me cry every time i heard it 7. Have you ever named a cat/car/plant after a Tori song? no, but i did a painting of mr. zebra with mr. cat and the mona zebra. it was a great painting, but i don't know where it's hiding in my house (there's a picture of it on my web site somewhere) 8. What other things has Tori turned you onto? neil gaiman, redheads, masturbation (heh), rdtrn, and maybe some other things -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: i'm alive...barely Hola mes amies! I haven't written in ages, due to vacation, computer break down, and laziness, but I figured I might as well say hi. So. "Hi." I just finished watching the new Buffy episode and I know that somewhere, in some secret dimension, there are good writers who know how to create a decent script that makes sense. Oh yes. I know there are, dammit! They must exist!! ...Concerning rap, the only artist that I can stand as of today is Missy Elliot. I like the fact that of the few songs of hers that I've heard, she uses onomonoteopia (severe lack of spelling! ARGH!) and has the nerve to be a size 6 in a size 0 world and doesn't put white people in automatically second-class positions in her videos, unlike many others. I got my grades from my first semester of college on Christmas day. Five As and a B. Go me! And guess which class I got the 'B' in...? Yep, that's right! African American History up to 1876! Despite the fact that I studied for that class more than any of my others, the professor still gave me a 'B' when I participated like a motherfucker and read EVERY SINGLE THING he assigned when practically everyone else didn't and spoke my opinion and questioned what he said. I take these classes to learn AND to get good grades, not just one or the other, and it pisses me off that I got a B when I so deserved an A. ...Yeah yeah yeah, I know I'm being the spoiled perfectionist here, but whatever. When you work really hard and still don't get what you struggled for, it's extremely frustrating. My schedule for next semester is as follows: Psychology of Criminal Behavior Third World Nations Intro to Theater Honors College Writing II Creative Writing: Poetry Playwrighting ...Hee! I'm gonna be so floating around in the magical world of writing! I can't wait until Playwrighting!!! WheeEEEEE!!! How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:27:22 -0800 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: penises, hamsters and rising expectations So I went to a College Republican meeting tonight and we were talking about Roe v Wade day on Jan 22nd. God, get this: on sunday we are making 3500 crosses to lie on the grass on the 22nd. these 3500 crosses will represent the 3500 abortions performed every day in the US. This should be an interesting day...Brad my darling, what do you think? Ok so quickly moving on! Classes are okay...i have two 10+ page term papers to write this term. Um, this guy in my HST class looks like Matthew Broderick and my poetry teacher is very attractive, very male yet very married. I hate teachers that try to be assholes on the first day to scare people. This isn't fucking MILITARY school. This is college where I pay $12,000 a year to attend. stop scaring kids and start teaching. asses. *ahem* uh, the RISING did not get nominated for album of the year. such a travesty. For my PS 419 class, Social Movements in the US, I think I might use the death penalty movement but I don't know if I should be pro or anti. hmm. I told my children that video killed the radio star. ~Jessica Parsons who is seven days without chocolate and still healthily getting on by ha ha! no comeback to ham! -- satchel, get fuzzy _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:56:34 +1000 From: "Dani Ringrose" <chronic_sublime@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: even white boys got to shout I took my sweet time getting around to replying again. Being on summer holidays gives me so much free time that all I want to do is waste it. I've already sent MC Bad Bri an email, but he deserves a lot of hot public mailing list love (and of course, props) for that rap. Give me an 808 for a few days and I'm sure I could have some great beats to break it down over. I also note that Brian has added himself to the really short list of people who can use the word "bitch" in conjunction with my surname. I'm going to start off this all-over-the-shop post by adding four more recommendations for hip hop artists that are the bomb: DJ Shadow (want an entire rare album of sampling, a million times better than Puff Daddy? Download Brainfreeze off Kazaa, as you'd have trouble finding it in even your more specialised hip hop music stores). Roots Manuva Del tha Funky Homosapien (via Gorillaz, if you can't remember "mistadobelina") Spearhead (and Michael Franti). Thanks, Cyndi for clarifying a lot of your initial statements, your last hip hop post gave me even more of an insight of where you come from, music wise. I think all of us here on RDT could agree that our musical tastes have probably been shifted slightly (or greatly) in the past 5 years, a combination of environmental, emotional, aural and radio factors. The reason why I don't listen to a lot of the stuff I played 5 years ago is because I listened to it TOO MUCH. A musical comparison, if you will. Other RDT'ers are welcome to participate in this non-scientific survey. These days, I'm most likely to be listening to: Eminem (at least once a day, I'm still kinda ashamed to admit that) Public Enemy Chemical Brothers Rage Against the Machine Dr Dre Tool / A Perfect Circle Tori Amos Five years ago, ca. 1998, it was: Tori Amos, top of the list, at least once a day Tool Rage Against the Machine Prodigy Beastie Boys Okay, maybe I might have to search back a bit further to find stuff I don't listen to now, to when I flogged my copies of "Blood Sugar Sex Magik", "Nevermind" and "In Utero", and "Ten" and "Vitalogy". To this day, I still think that Nirvana, Pearl Jam and the Red Hot Chili Peppers made fantastic albums in the 90s, but I can't bring myself to listen to them now because I flogged their albums so much years ago. Other stuff I've flogged over the years, like Rage Against the Machine and Tori have obviously passed the test of time, since I still listen to them. Help me out here, Julie H. In a recent post, you wrote: "I enjoy a lot of rap music. When I say I hate Eminem, I mean, I hate him. I don't hate the genre of rap. Sure, there are many rappers that I don't like and don't enjoy their music, but there are many rappers that I do like and enjoy their music." You need to help me here. Give me some examples! You didn't tell me anything with that statement; I'm going to sound like a teacher here, but you need to back up your statements with references! I dislike Puff Daddy, but like your argument says, it doesn't mean I don't hate the genre of rap. Actually, the main reason why I was posting was to send anyone who was still interested in whether hip hop has lost its voice to a recent article posted on the internet, at http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Bennu_FuckHipHop.htm It came out of a post to MetaFilter, which prompted a wider (and slightly more heated and defensive) discussion compared to what we've had on RDT. It also raises some interesting points which I think both Cyndi and I (and others) can agree and disagree on, and is definitely interesting reading. It spans issues that we've already discussed, from "has hip hop changed for the worse?" to "sampling", to topics we haven't broached (thankfully) here, such as "hip hop artists are not really musicians" (Dani disagrees, for the record). http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/22700 snap back to reality, Dani. == dani@conditioned.org http://www.conditioned.org _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:15:49 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: ay. this is bad. really bad. bad bad bad. yow.. I haven't RDTRN'd in a WHILE.. *cringe* OH well. my dad came in here with two pieces of mail from my school and bloody STAYED IN THE ROOM and WATCHED ME OPEN THE DAMN THINGS because he thought they were my grades. argh.. all it does is make me all the more nervous because I haven't gotten my grades in. I sure wish he'd fucking let me open this kinda shit in PRIVATE. yeesh. anyway.. *calms down* on with the replies! :) Brian said: "I wish Creed would finally come out of confessional and admit the same, then they can be banished from real rock radio stations." you don't like Creed either? lol oh joy. lol poor Scott tho--apparently he and his wife (or is it ex wife now?) are battling for custody over his son and according to my Spin mag, she said "I fucked four guys in your bed while you were gone!" and smacked him with a cell phone and got arrested for it. I still don't like Creed tho. :D Brian then said of the "70's" looking bands coming out, I believe: "...It's just a rehash of the same old thing over and over. That goes especially for bands that like to sample 70's and 80's songs and use them as a base for a "new" song. How about doing something original?" I personally (like I said in the little rap discussion) enjoy some sampled songs.. it's when someone uses it for every-damned-thing-they-can-think-of that it pisses me off. Jim wrote a very long and thought provoking post regarding Christmas and paradise, etc.. nothing in specific that I wanna highlight, but I just figured I should say that I loved it. :D as for holiday traditions.. we don't have a set tradition except for.. (this mostly applies to my parents) eating barbecue and then Baskin Robbins ice cream for dessert afterwards on the 24th since that's the day after my parents' anniversary and they did that on the day after they got married. Otherwise, we don't have a set tradition.. go to bed.. wake up.. get dressed/ready for the day, go downstairs.. open presents. Jessica said of her birthday: "it was a weird day. my dad got stoned with all my friends and then we ate ice cream." he got stoned?? interestinnnnng... lol.. did you get stoned? lol Jessica then inquired: "am i the only person obsessed with get fuzzy?" quite possibly, but you're not the only one who thinks it rules. :D hey Simon, the music on your friend's site, what's it from?? oh and happy belated birthday to Crystal and Jim! :D Julie asked: "BTW, do any of you have blurty.com journals? I just got one." I use blogger.com for mine. ^^ Bethany said of Matt C on Tori.. "Matt only replied, "She pays well." When pressed further, all that Matt said was something about what a bitch Tori was to work with." now that's a compliment (after I thought on it a bit of course) if I've ever heard one.. she pays well and she's a damned perfectionist. perfectionists are always hard to work with. Trust me, I've worked with some myself and I can be a hell of a perfectionist too (depending on what you're working with me on). Brian said: "Interesting how you put two freak shows together. ;-) If you go by artists that use shock tactics, Eminem would have to be the new Marilyn Manson. I base that on Ozzy Osbourne being the first in the line, then Alice Cooper, followed by MM. But Eminem doesn't really fit the genre, so either he's the first of the popular shock artists in his domain, or what/who comes after Manson has to be really freaky." freak shows are fun.. TALENTED freak shows are even more fun. :) and interesting that you'd call Eminem next in line after Manson.. VERY interesting indeed as I never thought of it that way...... I'm all for Tori getting a Hollywood Walk of Fame star too.. she bloody deserves it! :D a subject in an email from Lavs: "black Ice is better" what about BLUE ice? :D and Violet said: "I couldn't get past the "Huge new Bush" part. Yes, I am 12 years old." aren't we all? :D and on that note.. fweeeee!! http://stileproject.com/weeee.html go there! see the prettiful WEEEE song again.. and laugh.. and see it again.. and laugh.. and see it again.. and laugh.. and then.. uh.. drink gatorade. :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. 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