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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1778
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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keep your eyes on her horizon [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
Really look at something [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
Abort, retry, fail [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
round and around and around we go [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
fanscape announces (some) tour dates [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ]
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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:33:37 -0500
From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: keep your eyes on her horizon
Arija was talking about shitty grades...well, the grade I got was not
shitty, but it ruined my 4.0. My fucking professor gave me an A- in advanced
ceramics. thus i ended up with a 3.92. so close, yet so far away.
good luck with NPR, btw. hope you get it.
Beth said:
"I don't listen to MAAG because of its content anymore, but I do like WP and
SfE, still. I even like singing harmony to SfE, although I'm sure it'd sound
hideous to almost anyone else because my singing voice isn't that good and I
can't hit all the high notes right."
ah...forget about Song for Eric. I knew i was forgetting something...i do
like Song for Eric. But once i heard Chroma Key's (Kevin Moore) mix of the
song, the original kind of paled in comparison.
hey...that song hasn't been mentioned here in a while...it's called Song for
Eric (for Tori). i just checked and it seems that that mp3 has been taken
down from his site, so if anyone's really interested, i can slap it up on
the web. it's a gorgeous, gorgeous song.
Beth then quoted:
"'Manhattan is a Native American word that has been variously translated as
meaning "good place to collect bow wood", "place of general inebriation",
and "people of the whirlpool", among others."
well, in that case, i guess Koba's living in the right city. ;)
Brian said, re: the Scarlet DVD:
"What we got instead was nothing more than a rip-off. It
certainly wasn't worth paying the extra over and above the price of a
standard CD."
yeah. i regret getting it now. i mean, it was cute, but $24.99? that's what
it was in the US, i'm sure it was twice as exorbitant in Australia (when we
had dinner last year, Brian brought me the copy of SLG with Tori in the
sheriff's uniform, and the price tag on it said something like $30, and
that's just a single cd. yowch.).
anyway, to wrap up my grousing about the DVD, i kind of wonder just how much
input Tori had designing the DVD. i tend to think (and hope) that if she had
a big hand in it, it would be more than just a couple videos. Considering
how much she says she loves us and all. who knows, maybe she didn't have
anything to do with it at all. i mean, she certainly had her hands full
producing and recording an album as ambitious as SW.
-bethany
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a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com
"Well it's times like these I feel so small and wild
Like the ramblin' footsteps of a wanderin' child
And i'm lonesome as a lonesome whippoorwill
Singin these blues with a warble and a trill
But i'm not too blue to fly."
(The Be Good Tanyas)
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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:42:04 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Really look at something
1/12/03
8:35 pm
I had my friend, Tia over today to work on our project for the final in our
popular literature class. We're doing a diarama on the story, The Body by
Steven King. The thing is, while we were working on this diarama we knew it
wasn't the best ever, but we didn't really know how horrible it was. I
don't think Tia even thinks it's that horrible. But to my mother and I...it
looks absolutely ridiculous...it looks like a kindergardener made it. It's
lacking so much stuff. Along with the poor work on the diarama, we didn't
know exactly what we were gonna say about it. So, basically I felt very
screwed. Being the helpful mother that my mom is, she's going to help us
out with it tomorrow and possibly Wednesday and we'll hand the project in on
Friday the day of the final. We'll improve it, etc.
Wish me luck...whew!
I'm so damn tired! I don't feel like going to sleep though.
Current mood: Tired
Current sounds/music: "Crazy" (live Scarlet's Walk Tour download) by Tori
Amos
Current place: My basement.
Julie H.
E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com
MTV Member: JulieH214
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Please sign this petition to release the tours, Rhythm Nation 1814 and
janet. on VHS and DVD. I would really appreciate it.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:25:11 +1100
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Abort, retry, fail
Jessica replied in #1777:
>Okay, first of all...I don't really have a connection between me needing
>to get laid and a view on abortion yet
Mmmm, yeah, I didn't really mean it to sound that way, in that you can't
get pregnant thinking/talking about sex (I'd just like to make that
perfectly obvious statement clear). But at the same time it's an issue you
may have to address one day.
>I think that it will be interesting to participate in the Roe
>v. Wade day because I think that people should be aware that 3500
>abortions performed a day is a lot, no matter how you feel about abortion.
When it's put that way, yes, it does sound like an awful lot of abortions.
But when you look at it proportionally, using very rough statistics, it's
like 1 woman in 100 that has an abortion per year. Using the statistic 3500
per day is biased towards the emotive side of the argument. But if you were
to compare U.S. statistics to those of China, it would probably look like
nothing. I don't think anyone could argue against the need for China's
abortion laws, as draconian as they are. The only thing you could get them
on is the methods they use at times.
>I honestly am not 100% sure how I feel about abortion. I'm not like "oh,
>you're pregnant, too bad, get an abortion!" I think that the abortion
>debate is bad because people don't focus on the core issue which is
>pregancy, sometimes TEEN pregnancy.
Most of the negative side of the debate is based on emotion and it's
usually done that way by people who probably won't ever face the issue
themselves. Abortion is about pregnancy, nothing more, nothing less, but
people push their own agendas.
>I think people need to be taught about condom use and have the pill
>available to them for free.
I'm sure the drug companies would just love for the pill to be free. Let's
just say subsidised by the government, like it is here. As is always said,
prevention is better than cure and what is needed most of the time is
education. But sex education is usually quashed by the same people who
oppose abortion in the first place. Try to point out the inconsistencies of
their argument at your own risk.
>If you're pregnant, I think that you should go to counseling and your
>partner and you should make a decision together, assuming the person is
>with them and they should notify the person or at least TRY to even if
>they aren't dating or whatever. I am definitely FOR parental notification
>laws, assuming the person is less than 18.
I agree with all your thoughts. Choosing to bring a child into the world is
a very serious decision. So is the choice to abort. I also think the
partner should be held financially responsible for support of the child.
For counselling, it should be done by a completely neutral party, as some
"counselling" services are highly biased. Showing pictures of aborted
foetuses doesn't realistically solve anything and only increases anxiety.
>Ok, so the point is that I think the problem needs to be attacked at the
>root. and yes, I advocate abortion if the person is raped.
The last thing any woman should have to face is to give birth to the child
of a rapist.
The whole issue, which you seem to understand, is education and access to
birth control, or lack of. But ultimately, I think the choice to abort is
purely up to the woman.
Beth on Concrete Blonde:
>Ah, thanks for recommending them to me! I haven't heard anything older
>than "Bloodletting." So much of that album is so pretty and interesting to me.
I should have pointed out their first album is basically known as being
self-titled these days. I got it on vinyl when it first came out and the
label and spine clearly called it "True", which was the title song, but
when the CD came out they seemed to overlook that. Bloodletting, I have to
agree with it being pretty, but it seems to lack the grit of their earlier
work.
>remember that one of the most arresting things I've ever seen on TV is
>their acoustic performance (just Johnette and the guitarsist, whose name I
>should know) on SNL of "Everybody Knows." It was incredible.
While I haven't seen that and refuse to subscribe to the channel that shows
SNL here, I can imagine. On the "Still In Hollywood" compilation, there's a
live, acoustic version of Joey that is heartbreaking. After hearing that, I
finally understood what the song is about. Sure, I'd heard the lyrics
enough times on the studio version, but it lacked any emotion. The
guitarist is Jim Mankey and he's got one of the most unique styles I've
ever heard.
Eminem's "Cleaning Out My Closet"...
>Is there another version that doesn't sound like a rock song?
Yes. The one on The Eminem Show. I think the rock version is from the 8
Mile soundtrack, but I'm not sure and the movie hasn't been released here yet.
Brian
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:15:44 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: round and around and around we go
Jessica Parsons wrote:
> I'm not like "oh, you're pregnant, too bad, get an abortion!"
I'm not attacking you or anyone else by saying this, but this line caught my
eye. I think one of the truly unfortunate side effects of the pro-choice
movement is that women have had to fight so hard for control of this basic
right, there hasn't been time to slow down and admit that abortion is not an
easy choice.
I've known a few women who had abortions, even repeated abortions. It might
have appeared to the outside world as though they did it nonchalantly, but I
have never talked with a woman to any extent about their situation who
didn't find it to be one of THE most difficult decisions and experiences of
their lives. The decision to sacrifice the life growing inside you so that
both you and the spirit it harbors can avoid an extremely difficult -- and
possibly unbearable -- future is one that I think many women have trouble
making at all, let alone easily.
But talking about how tough it is, emotionally, shows weakness; the pro-life
folks would latch onto it, I think, like there's no tomorrow. For some
reason political rights in this country can only be won when the arguments
are black and white (no pun intended). Grey areas aren't discussed.
Let's be honest. Sexual freedom is not just a pleasure, but a privilege (AND
a responsibility). It's only recently that we've found good, solid ways to
choose whether or not we _ever_ want to have children. (I'm omitting for the
moment the evidence that the Romans invented condoms and that many tribal
groups were using herbal methods for millennia.) This unlatches the concept
of sexual intercourse from the possibility of procreation, but it does not,
on its own, prevent conception. But in America, especially, we have had an
impossible time trying to reconcile sexual liberation with our puritanical
roots. We want to HAVE sex but not TALK about it, or talk about
contraception, or talk about options when those contraceptives fail. Just
listening to "Loveline" gives one insight into the appalling amount of
misinformation that enters into the minds of America's teens and young
adults. In other countries, where religion has even more sway over culture
and politics, it's much, much, much worse.
I think when we can admit that all beings are inherently sexual (expecially
those, like us, who experience sex in a pleasurable way), and that it's okay
to talk about sexuality, and ask questions, and go purchase contraception at
whatever age you need it, and we understand that abortion is an emotionally
difficult and physically taxing last resort (one too many women and teens
turn to because shame has prevented them from doing something sooner), THEN
perhaps we can talk about things more rationally.
Beth
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"This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished,
outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on
television." -- Dennis Miller
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:10:05 -0500
From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org,
fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
tori-amos@yahoogroups.com, toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: fanscape announces (some) tour dates
<url: http://www2.fanscape.com/toriamos/tour/ >
19-Feb Boca Raton, FL Mizner Park Amphitheatre PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 15th
10am (Local) - Jan 16th 5pm (Local)
21-Feb Jacksonville, FL Moran Theatre PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 15th 10am
(Local) - Jan 16th 5pm (Local)
22-Feb Birmingham, AL BJCC Concert Hall PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 16th 10am
(Local) - Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
23-Feb Nashville, TN Ryman Auditorium PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 16th 10am
(Local) - Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
28-Feb Albany, NY Palace Theatre PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 16th 10am (Local) -
Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
1-March Syracuse, NY Landmark Theatre PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 16th 10am
(Local) - Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
3-March Portland, ME Merrill Auditorium PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 15th 10am
(Local) - Jan 16th 5pm (Local)
4-March Durham, NC Whittemore Center Arena PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 16th 10am
(Local) - Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
7-March New York City, NY Radio City Music Hall PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan 16th
10am (Local) - Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
13-March Buffalo, NY Sheas Performing Arts Center PRESALE ANNOUNCED! Jan
16th 10am (Local) - Jan 17th 5pm (Local)
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