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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1792
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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look at them guns [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
you are not your job.. or anything e [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Re:RDT Right Now #1791 [ jewella_deville@juno.com ]
First rule of Fight Club is... [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
dreams and arguments [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
Fight Club [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
Re: Just Stuff [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional ]
The Noisy Ones Are Misguided [ "Brad.shultz" <springhaze@comcast.n ]
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:15:09 -0500
From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: look at them guns
oooh, this one should be a goldmine...
Dani asked:
"I now pose this amusing question to the rest of you mob out there. Who
would
you take in a fight?"
Celebrity wise, Martha Stewart. because I can't stand her spreading her
smarminess and bad taste and snobbery throughout the land for one more
second. that and it would be fun to knock the smirk off her face. And Jay
Leno, to get him off the television for at least a couple weeks.
On a more personal level, there's this grad student in my department who
i've been wanting to pop since my junior year.
Did i say pop? I meant fight.
-bethany
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:24:33 -0500
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: you are not your job.. or anything else.
.... you are the all singing all dancing crap of the world. yep! lol.. I
was gonna put this one aside for three weeks (*snicker*) but I saw the
Onion "who would you take in a fight" thing and read it.. so here I am
now. :)
I must say.. On The Boundary is one of the best songs I've ever
heard, and considering that it's Y Kant Tori Read and not TORI AMOS and
it's more pop than think, that it'd still do mighty well nowadays if Tori
re-recorded it or somethin'. ^^ ANYWAY.. having said that, it's on with
the drippin' wet replies I must go. ^^
Brian did a little parody (only it was a tad too true to be really funny)
of "My Dad's Gone Crazy" on the prez.. good job, good job.. encore,
encore! use Stan or Cleaning Out My Closet this time. :D
Kerri said: "i have yet to see an alligator here in georgia, but i'll let
you know. apparently they hang out all over this smelly puddle."
well, that depends on which section of GA you're in.. if you're
in Okefenokee, then you'll definitely see a few alligators.. BUT if
you're in a big blazin' city like Atlanta or in a part of suburbia like
Peachtree City (like me!), you'll see jack shit when it comes to
alligators. :D
Winterlion said: "Strange groups I'm enjoying lately (outside of the
ever-important Tori :): Garbage (as always), Bif Naked, Tool (of course),
System of a Down, KoRn, Inkubus Sukkubus, Rush, Johny Cash (particularily
his cover of "hurt" by NiN :), Queensryche, and for some reason eminem
(though overplayed)..."
woohoo! Biffy! how'd ya get into her? me, I've been playing a LOT
of SSX Tricky and I looked at the DVD extras at the section where you got
to watch some of the character voice actors do their job.. and one of 'em
turned out to be Bif Naked.. so I, the ever-curious little me, went and
searched her out and downloaded a coupla her albums that I plan on
actually buying next time I have $$$$$. >< yeehaw. :)
Winterlion then said: "Anyone else find Johny Cash covering NiN scary?
One of the local rock stations here has been playing it from time to
time..."
yeah, KINDA scary, but not that frightening.. he actually did a
good job.. HOWEVER.. he went "I wear this crown of thorns".. not "I wear
this crown of shit". *shrug* so that kinda threw me off jus' a smidgen..
all in all.. he done good. ^^
Jessica asked me: "cyndi, you go to bed at midnight? wow....tell me what
this is like."
not that fun for a night owl like me. not that fun at all as I'd
much rather do without sleep COMPLETELY. I only sleep cuz I need it. IF I
DID NOT NEED IT.. I'd definitely do without. :D
and uh.. what the fuck is this that I'm hearing about duct tape?
I'm completely in the dark.. what does duct tape hafta do with backyard
fallout shelters and terrorism and Bush and shit? O_O
Ade, congrats to your cousin on the birth of their baby! YAAAAAAAAY!!! :)
Victoria supplied us with a link to a Cartoon Tori playing Precious
Things.. so as I write this, I'm gonna pause my mp3 player and take a
gander at it.. heh heh..
and here's what I think: rofl! cute! definitely cute! I think Precious
Things woulda been kickass as a real music video, actually.. :D
Dani posted that Who Would You Fight article.. and asked us who WE would
fight..
Me.. um.. hmmmmm.. actually, aside from my brother (who would
beat the everloving shit out of me and then do it again without breaking
into a sweat).. I dunno! hmmm.. I'm actually tempted to say Tori even tho
I love her to death.. cuz.. well.. I dunno.. I'm curious just to see how
she fights.. but in reality, I'd rather have her on my side. :D SO.. who
would I fight..? my first thought is Bush, but he'd go down in five
seconds--and I'm a major weakling, so nope. *thinking some more*.....
I'd go the blind patriot way and say bin Laden or Saddam or the
N. Korea guy, but.. I'm not a blind patriotic American (tho I do love my
country.).. so.. actually, I'd fight myself.. I need to know if I can
fight.. and I'd be the best choice to fight because then I'd be evenly
matched, actually and I guess that's all.. so yeah there's my answer.
I would fight myself.
Jessica wants to talk about vaginas.. well.. I once heard SOMEWHERE..
that the average penis is 6-7 inches long.. and the vagina is about 8
inches long. Think about that.. and come to your own conclusion from that
as to what to say.. cuz I can't think of a thing to say regarding that.
:D
so on THAT note.. I must bid you adieu, adieu.. *slugs self in
the face* there! I fought myself! YAY! *searches for a towel to stop the
nosebleed* >__<
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 04:58:48 GMT
From: jewella_deville@juno.com
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Cc:
Subject: Re:RDT Right Now #1791
cindy said:
"I do NOT mean to sound ignorant and crap, so if I do come off
that way, I do sincerely apologize, but.. I don't get pacifism, really.
I'll avoid a fight if I can, but if someone starts beating the crap outta
me--or trying to, I'll get pissed and start beating back.. (for the
record, I've never been in a fight. o_O) so.. uh.. I don't really
understand pacifism.. would someone care to explain it? ^^"
did you look up the actual definition? (and to avoid sounding ignorant,
one might drop the phrase "ignorant and crap." ...heh... that IS
supposed to be a joke... maybe sarcasm doesn't carry over email well
enough...)
pacifism:
1. The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled
peacefully.
2.
a. Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
b. Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action.
OR
1: the doctrine that all violence in unjustifiable 2: the belief that all
international disputes can be settled by arbitration
by looking at the actual meaning of the word, i hope it's easier for you to
understand that pacifism is a much larger concept than just whether or not
to hit back if someone hits you. it's the idea that any dispute can and
should be solved in a non-violent way, or by arbitration (which is when an
impartial party is used as a mediator).
if someone came up to you and started beating you up, you may let your
emotions take over, and fight back in a physical way... but a large part
of pacifism is to acknowledge that NOTHING will be solved in those actions.
sure, it may be a quick fix for some instant gratification, but what does
it do for the reasons behind why it's happening in the first place?
nothing.
as far as everything that is going on in the world right now, i hold firm
to my pacifist standing.
er... i haven't posted in eons, and then i jump in quoting the dictionary.
*smacks forehead*
hi everyone.
like cookies,
jewel.
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:15:43 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: First rule of Fight Club is...
Dani asked who we could take in a fight. I don't know of you realize this,
but I am made of about 75% chocolate pudding. But the first person who came
to mind was Marilyn Manson (I would just tighten his corset until he passed
out) or Verne Troyer. :P
Beth
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:59:25 -0800
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: dreams and arguments
Oh god okay I have to go to NY in April and I had this horrible dream last
night. ok, I like earthquakes and in the dream for the first part I was in
California. first there was a little nice earthquake, then a BIG one and
then a huge one, like 8.5 on the richter scale. then i had to get on a plane
and go to new york city and when i was there, there was a terrorist attack
and it was awful and i couldn't get home. i hope these don't start happening
as April 11th gets closer because that's the day i fly from Portland to
Minneapolis to White Plains. in the dream it was like the world was
ending...i was on a bridge and it was falling and oh god...
now that i'm taking self defense and learning how to kick ass and take
names, i'd like to attempt to beat the crap out of a male. just like, he
attacks me and i try to get away by punching him or kicking. not attacking
males in general but i feel so confident, I'd like to try. i don't have a
specific male in mind. i'd have to get all angry and pissed off first about
something. next week in class we get to try moves on each other like sitting
on each other and shitass like that. yeah. oh, and i'd like it to be with a
guy bigger than me. i weigh 135 and am 5ft 6 so if a guy that was maybe
taller than me and weighed significantly more tried to attack me, i'd want
to take him down! i can't think of a specific celebrity worth wasting my
energy on though. oooh, maybe a really unintelligent male. like, screamingly
unintelligent.
succubus megan, if you want to read my new poem i will email it to you.
love jessica
Listen:
We have done it again we are
Still living. Sit up and smile,
God bless you. Guilt is magical.
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:04:46 +1100
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Fight Club
Back off, Ringrose, John Howard's ass is mine! I'll even fight you to have
first crack at him. Actually, I think we'll both have to wait at the back
of the far queue.
Sad fact: my godmother used to be little Johnny's secretary.
Another sad fact: my mother told me in a telephone conversation tonight
that I once played with his kids while on holidays once. I really can't
remember it and I am wondering about the possibility of this, as the only
kids I know he's got are at least 10 years younger. It was also suggested
I've met his wife, Jeanette, but since my mother called her Gwen I think
she's confusing them with others.
You know, I think little Johnny so much resembles the character "Toe Rag"
in Douglas Adam's "The Long Dark Tea-time Of The Soul". He's just a smarmy
little goblin. So is Toe Rag.
Brian
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:58:28 -0700
From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: Just Stuff
Beth Coulter wrote:
"And the biggest wonder of them all: Why, oh Why does our government go
after Iraq who MAY have nukes, when North Korea freely admits having them
and has said they will use them on our troops? Why is our President
withdrawing our troops from Korea to station them in the Middle East? And
why is he still the President? Don't the American People have a right to
ask him to leave? He is waging war in OUR name."
We all need to realize something about North Korea and the United States: We
are interdependent on each other for economic welfare. There are alot of
American industry sites in North Korea. A missle attack will leave their own
country desatute. They realistically cannot take the risk. North Korea is
simply tooting its own horn for the sake of tooting its own horn. They wanna
brag about what they have for a little publicity.
Saddam Hussain is a major threat to the regions surrounding his country, for
more reasons than what we think. At this time, North Korea doesn't have any
desire to invade its surrounding regions. Hussain has never stopped wanting
to invade Kuwait, Isreal, Iran, and other areas. If the region falls, it will
effect the entire economic and political system of the middle east and of
Western Asia (the Russian states). It may look like a small problem being
that this mess is so far away from us, but the implications are enormous. If
he is allowed to have biological, chemical, and nucleur weapons he will use
them. It's not a matter of if; it's a matter of when. Then, nothing will be
able to stop him from a massive takeover the region. Does anyone really want
to see this happen? I sure as hell don't.
As far as Bush being president and if we have the right to ask him to leave:
No we don't. The only way we can make him leave office is if we don't vote
for him in the next election. Other than that, there is only impeachment; and
in the eyes of Congress, he isn't doing anything wrong. By the way, this just
isn't Bush, Congress is pushing this ahead. As a country, we cannot go to war
with out the approval of Congress. The blame isn't only on Bush, it's also
with our Senators and Representatives.
Roxanne
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:56:41 +0000
From: "Brad.shultz" <springhaze@comcast.net>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: The Noisy Ones Are Misguided
and they are jealous of and hate America......
January 20, 2003, 12:00 p.m.
The Anti-Warriors
On the streets with the protesters.
By Daniel J. Flynn
Tens of thousands converged on the Mall in Washington, D.C. this weekend to
protest the prospect of a U.S.-led war on Iraq.
News reports of the event described the participants as a cross-section of
America. A CNN report on the eve of the protest maintained, "throughout the
ranks, today's peace activists are growing grayer and more moderate." In
case you didn't get the message, an on-screen headline reading "not the
usual suspects" accompanied a later CNN report on the demonstrators on
Aaron Brown's NewsNight. After noting the radical presence at the
demonstration, the Boston Globe reported, "a wide array of first-time
protesters suggested that the antiwar movement is drawing from a broader
base." Thanassis Cambanis, the writer of the piece, observed "quiet knots
of families and older people" at the protest.
While a small number of families, political moderates, and senior citizens
salted the ranks of Saturday's march, a much-larger contingent escaped the
notice of most journalists. Waving inflammatory signs, wearing scary
costumes, and partaking in street theatre, the anti-American extremists who
dominated the event were hard to miss. Yet, they were somehow overlooked in
most of the press accounts of the protest.
Reesa Rosenberg, a Muslim from New Jersey, came to the nation's capital
bearing a sign that read "Bush Is the Real Terrorist." "When it comes down
to it, it's all for oil and global domination," she believes. "It's almost
like Hitler." Rosenberg contends that people in the U.S. government had
advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. "Another thing about 9/11 - the
United States is like a stuck-up little bitch. They just do and take all of
what they please. I mean, 9/11 was terrible, but it was the first terrorist
attack on this country. It's like, 'oh, no!' Somebody broke the United
States' nail, now the whole earth is going to blow up."
Rosenberg was hardly a lone nut in comparing George Bush to Hitler or by
conjuring up visions of an administration welcoming the 9/11 attacks. It
didn't take too long to find marchers enthusiastically peddling stories of
the Bush family financing the Third Reich, seeing the American government
standing behind the terrorists, or contending that a cabal of oil barons
runs U.S. foreign policy.
Bush "definitely knew in advance," remarked John Bostrom, who traveled to
the march from Staten Island. "It was like when Hitler burned down the
Reichstag." Why would the Bush administration refuse to act on its prior
knowledge of the terrorist attacks? "What they want to do, basically, is
build a worldwide planetary death machine that's technology driven,
computer run, and hooked up to satellites that cover every square inch of
the globe, and allows them to target and eliminate anything they want to
wherever they want to," maintained Bostrom. "This is their plan. It's black
and white. That's what they've been calling for. That's their strategy and
they're obsessed by it."
"I saw 9/11 as the Reichstag," maintained Chris King. "I'll compare it to
what Cassius did to Spartacus back in Rome. I'll compare it to the
Lusitania, to the Maine. I'll do it, every single time." The bearded
Vermonter suspects 9/11 "was allowed to happen."
While protesters labeled 9/11 "a drop in the bucket" and compared it to
breaking a nail, what did they see as a serious terrorist threat? A glance
at the thousands of signs on the Mall revealed the answer. Placards read:
"USA Is #1 Terrorist," "Bush Is a Terrorist," "The NYPD Are Terrorists
Too," and "Get the Terrorists Out of the White House."
A table display exhorting passersby to defend North Korea's right to
nuclear weapons or an activist who cheered in vain for a policeman to fall
off a fire-escape ladder 30-feet above a Pennsylvania Avenue restaurant
were typical of the happenings at this weekend's rally cast aside by too
many reporters covering the demonstration. Instead, the media treated
viewers and readers to a sanitized version of the action, which depicted
protesters as patriots acting in the American tradition of dissent.
Harmless old ladies, middle-American Republicans, and well-dressed
students, and not someone like Reesa Rosenberg, were the folks shown on
television or quoted in the newspaper.
And as for Ms. Rosenberg, the Garden State Muslim who believes the U.S.
government let 9/11 occur, she summed up the real theme of the "antiwar"
protest by proclaiming that America should be viewed as "very scary and
threatening" by the rest of the world.
Whether America scares the rest of the world is open to debate. A truthful
look at this weekend's protest confirms that the demonstrators should
frighten people - even other opponents of a war in Iraq - here in America.
Brad's opinion-----I think B Cooper and Goldman were quoted above......
Let's drop the big one on all who do not follow us....
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