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Date:
Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:42:01 -0800
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1794
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1794
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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I agree with Pogo... [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
i tried to delurk the other day, my [ "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefoos ]
Advice [ Candie <cvm22@drexel.edu> ]
My birthday weekend celebration, yes [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
this week's tori presales [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ]
this week's tori presales [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ]
the elephant in the room [ OMBO@aol.com ]
Re: [ToriTour US] this week's tori p [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ]
fantasia mourns [ kklein21@student.scad.edu ]
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:46:32 -0800
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: I agree with Pogo...
...who said, "We have seen the enemy...and he is us."
I am so proud of the world citizens who stood up to fascism this weekend.
Go World Go!
I'll explain that word again, in case you forgot:
Patriotism: Love of Country.
Nationalism: the belief that your Country is superior to others.
Fascism: the belief that all Countries should Be like your Country.
(then there is Nazism: the belief all Countries should be Your Country)
I am a patriot. I love my Country enough to fight against the "right
minded" Americans who (like good little Germans and Soviets) are bound and
determined to defend this Country's right to commit atrocities. A war on
Iraq is just one of the atrocities this government is capable of. I know
what certain Fed organizations are capable of, and we must start to fight
back. Did y'all know there is a Patriot Act II on the floor? One of the
little bits of it is changing bail rules for charged but not convicted
persons. People would have to prove why they should be eligible for bail
instead the prosecutors having to prove why not. Hey, it's just the right
of assumed innocence, nothing of importance, right? How many rights are you
willing to give up to feed "Mad Cowboy Disease"?
I will not fight with my fists. I fight with my mind. I fight with my
words. I fight with my poetry.
Back in the 50's, those who were most creative in our country were subjected
to trials for being Communists. If the government had stopped these witch
hunts when they began, maybe the Berlin Wall would have been torn down when
Kennedy asked, instead of Reagan. But fear ruled our country and the
government fed the fear (just as Russia did to it's citizens).
Now, once again, our government is fear mongering and saber rattling in an
ancient belief that the world still should be divided into lots. But the
citizens of the world are speaking out in the belief that we don't need
these out moded ideals and actions. It is time for the UN to encompass all,
instead of Bush's attempt to dissolve this global union.
In a book I'm reading for my Honors class, it talks about evolution being
like the caterpillar turning into the butterfly. The insect actually
destroys itself to change form. Now our world is in the process of spinning
the last threads of the cocoon. There are some who realize that the changes
to come will only beautify our lives. But the angry ones, the ones in
charge, they can only see that they must destroy their way of being and they
refuse. They hold on to the old ways because of fear, and they spread that
fear, so that the changes are halted.
But just as the butterfly must emerge, so must our world. We can't stop the
changes, nor should we want to.
I happen to think it's great that this blizzard happened when it did. In
the midst of planning war, a simple, gentle effect of Mother Nature closed
down the government. We may have smart bombs, but 2 feet of snow can still
make everyone take a break to breathe.
I've updated my webpage with a little tribute to the Columbia, if you want
to stop by.
Don't let fear rule your world. All we are saying is give peace a chance.
Don't forget to visit www.moveon.org to get some ideas how to promote peace.
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:09:51 -0600
From: "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefooska@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: i tried to delurk the other day, my computer disagreed.
cyndi,
i loved your hey jupiter idea...
specially the image of things that remind you of your loved one
spontaneously combusting as you sadly realize there's probably nothing else
you can do to stop everything from slowly going up in flames...
so sad.
i also loved the image of the little girl jumping up & down as she tries to
reach the fire alarm...
i've always thought that the little girl might tori too... i mean that part
of you that's still pure, that watches your grown sad bitter hurt self and
tries to nurse you and calm you down like they did when you cried as a
child... the part that still believes in magic, that hasn't given up to the
world being a senseless chaos of ambition and power and hate and selfishness
and fear...
the part that can save you
and turn a sunset into reason enough to go on living
jump in a cab while your apartment's on fire and make you laugh again
cheefooska juan
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:52:32 -0500
From: Candie <cvm22@drexel.edu>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Advice
Does anyone know how to get backstage passes to meet Tori?
Thanks,
Candie
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:41:50 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: My birthday weekend celebration, yesterday, and today
2/18/03
4:12 pm
So, on Friday, February 14th, 2003, I woke up by my father giving me a
bouquet of red flowers and saying happy birthday and he loves me. Then I
went upstairs, took a bath, said good morning to my mom and she said happy
birthday and she loves me. I opened up one of my presents earlier because
it was Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs - my favorite cereal and ate that. The
day before Emma had told me she would get me a balloon and decorate my
locker. I was excited about putting my coat away with my locker all
decorated. When I got to school, it wasn't...but it was because she wasn't
there yet. So, I went in the library and then I saw her with the balloon
and then she came down with me and decorated my locker while I was
there...not the best thing, but still sweet, we took a picture together. In
science I handed out candy and took pictures. In pre-algebra this girl that
I didn't know at all wrote in big letters on the chalk board, "HAPPY
BRITHDAY TO THE ONE AND ONLY JULIE" I was flattered, it's strange, she
doesn't even know me but she wrote that and gave me a Valentine candy. Her
name is Tracy and I really like her. We took a picture together. In
writing, it was just as usual. In history I handed out candy but then a
dumbass bomb threat alarm went off and we had to go outside in the cold.
Then I went to Spanish and it was basically just a hangout day...I was
actually really tired by then. I hungout with Emma and Scott, I took a
picture and we just chatted. At lunch Brittany came upstairs and sat with
Emma, Elena, and I, we took a picture. Study hall was awesome, I was almost
falling asleep in there, and Emma and I were trying to make plans so we went
to my case manager's office to make a phone call, when Ms. Jaiteh said I
should go back to the classroom. By the look on her face, I knew it was
good and then I thought I had a singing Valentine (a singing Valentine is a
group of people that sing love songs by request to a person in the classroom
on V-day). Anyways, I went in the classroom and it was kind of an akward
pause because I didn't know if the singing Valentine's were for me or not so
I just stood in the classroom and everyone looked at me. Then the girls
said, "We're looking for a Julie." and then I blushed and went up there and
sat in the chair while they sang a song to me. I was wondering so hard as
to who sent it to me. The card said 3rd hour, I was like, oh no, I really
hope it isn't that guy named, Gary that's always fuckin' starin' at me. He
gets on my damn nerves. I was so relieved when Ms. Hastings told me that
she sent it. She said she sent it to all of her students in 3rd hour world
history 10 LD. I went to gym and we just had a chill day because of the
strange schedule we had that day. I just slept on the couch in the
gym...beats me as to why they have a couch in the gym, but whatever, it was
comfy. There was a pep ralley so gym was only a little while. I went home
instead of going to the pep ralley and hungout at home. Around 6:00 pm or
so I opened my presents. I love my new presents, they're so awesome! etc.
etc. etc.
On Saturday, February 15th, 2003 at about 3:15 pm we picked up Emma and
Elena and went to the YMCA to swim, Maria came a little bit later, and
Brittany came a lot later and we all swam together. Elena had to leave
after swimming to go to the midwinter dance at West. So she left. Then
Maria, Brittany, and I swam a little more and then got dressed and went to
my house for pizza and cake. Then we all went to the movies. Brittany had
initially wanted to leave after pizza and cake but she decided to stay and
sleepover. So, we saw How To Lose A Guy In 10 Days. It was really good.
Kate Hudson is the cutest, adorablest little woman! Matthew McCaugnehey is
so hott!!!!!!!!! It was a really good movie, very good plot and storylines.
Then Maria went home and Brittany, Emma, and I went back to my house and
hungout and they slept over. After a few minutes when I fell asleep they
played a prank on me and were writing on my face and hands and stuff...I
went upstairs and wiped it off, I woke up while they were doing it...lol
On Sunday, February 16th, 2003 Brittany and Emma went home around
10-something in the morning. Derek and Dan came over and gave me the
presents, I got Sims Unleashed from Dan and Derek both, and I got a CD of
music videos from Dan also. Derek, Dan, my brother, my mom, and I went from
my house to the mall and got aqua massages from the aqua massage machines in
the mall and then we went to Best Buy and I bought Sims House Party because
I had a lot of money then we went back home and watched some Beavis &
Butthead episodes on the new DVD player for downstairs (both birthday
presents from the 14th). Then we ate a great dinner, watched a few more
episodes, ate cake, and hungout some more. It was so fun!
Yesterday was busy. I came home from school and had to do homework and then
go to music lessons and then I got so tired that I just went to sleep.
Today I went to my pyschiatrist and we talked some more. I love talking
with her. I feel so well thought out when I talk with her, well, I am, but,
I don't know, it's hard to describe. When I went to Spanish class when I
came back Emma said, "I'm glad you made it." I'm so glad that she cared and
wanted me to be there, that makes me feel so good and appreciated. And they
day when on and whateva...lol
I just read that the Justified - Justin Timberlake and Stripped - Xtina
Aguilera tour has set a few dates. I really hope I can go with Andy and a
friend or whatever.
Current mood: Happy, sore back
Current sounds/music: "Work It Out" by Beyonce Knowles, "319" by Prince,
"Girl Talk" by TLC, "Over Me" by TLC, "What About Us" by Brandy, "Dirrty" by
Xtina Aguilera & Redman
Current place: My family room
Julie H.
E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com
MTV Member: JulieH214
AOL IM: JulieH0214
Yahoo! IM: Juls21487
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:41:57 -0500
From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org
Cc: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: this week's tori presales
fanscape has updated their tour listing <url:
http://www2.fanscape.com/toriamos/tour/ > with presale information for the
following shows:
april 6 - morrison center, boise, id
* presale starts 10am mst, wednesday, february 19th
april 12 - san jose center for the arts, san jose, ca
* presale starts 10am pst thursday, february 20th
april 13 - sacramento memorial auditorium, sacramento, ca
* presale starts 10am pst thursday, february 20th
at this time, links to purchase pages have not been added yet. however a
little digging turns up that
(1) the morrison center sells their tickets through idahotickets.com and
lists the show, although tickets are not yet on sale, at
http://www.idahotickets.com/search/search_results.cfm?bmonth=&bday=&byear=&emont
h=&eday=&eyear=&venuesearch=&eventtypessearch=&EventName=tori+amos&Continue.x=0&
Continue.y=0 .
(lovely url, huh?)
(2) the san jose center for the performing arts appears to use whatever
ticketing agency a show's producer uses, so i'm not sure where those
presale tickets will be available from.
(3) the memorial auditorium is a tickets.com venue so the show should
eventually show up at http://www.tickets.com/venue_info.cgi?vid=14720 .
in any case, presale purchase page links should be added to the fanscape
listing by tomorrow or thursday.
finally, although they have not said so, a password will probably be
required for these presales. the password should be sent to the
toriamos.com mailing list tonight -- although, after last week's fiasco,
who knows? ;) to make sure you're on the mailing list and at least have a
chance of getting the password, head on over to
http://www.toriamos.com/email.html
and make sure you're on the list.
woj
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:56:13 -0500
From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org
Cc: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: this week's tori presales
one time at band camp, noam tchotchke said:
>at this time, links to purchase pages have not been added yet. however a
>little digging turns up that
>
>(1) the morrison center sells their tickets through idahotickets.com and
>lists the show, although tickets are not yet on sale, at
>http://www.idahotickets.com/search/search_results.cfm?bmonth=&bday=&byear=&emon
>th=&eday=&eyear=&venuesearch=&eventtypessearch=&EventName=tori+amos&Continue.x=0
>&Continue.y=0
>.
>(lovely url, huh?)
fanscape has added a purchase page link <url:
http://www.idahotickets.com/presale/ > for the boise presale. right now, it
leads to a page requesting a presale userid and password which, presumably,
will be provided by toriamos.com sometime between now and the presale
tomorrow morning.
woj
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:43:46 -0500
From: OMBO@aol.com
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: the elephant in the room
Hi, Steve here. You old-timers will remember me; newer folks may not. I
haven't posted in too long. (I did try once late last year, but the post
bounced due to HTML or something. Indeed, I may need to send this to Violet
to get it through.)
I apologize for that, and I'll try to rectify that in the future. And I'll
let y'all know what's going on with me and all that. But right now, with the
limited time I have right now, I wanna talk about the most important thing
going on right now.
Yeah, the damned war again.
I've been going to peace marches, most recently this past weekend in Los
Angeles. It was a great march, and the highlight for me was seeing Gore Vidal
speak. (I was lucky enough to be right by the stage at the time.) He was
physically frail; he walked (slowly) with a cane and had to sit as he spoke.
But he was mentally sharp as a tack - he focused his legendary wit on his
surroundings, teasing and praising the crowd - and his speech was wonderful
and inspiring. Indeed, I chose to go home right after he spoke, because I
knew that anything after that would be anticlimactic, That, and my feet hurt
like hell. :-)
In the march itself, I saw a wide variety of people. Of course, you saw the
usual suspects - folks who go to a lot of protests, and show a varying
ability to actually stick to the issue at hand. But you also saw a lot of
"just plain folks" - students, working class, yuppies, the elderly, children,
even very small children. (My friend Sally, who I marched with in San
Francisco in October, has a charming name for the latter: "peace babies".)
Many different people, united behind one idea: that this war is a really bad
idea.
So, in other words, I know that the David Horowitz piece Brad posted here -
about how the peace movement is made up entirely of psycho lefties who "hate
America" - is a big steaming pile of bullshit.
I'm not sure if Horowitz is blinded by his kneejerk neocon ideology - based
in his utter hatred of the leftist he used to be (and it'd probably be fun
for a psychologist to have at that mentality) - or if he's just lying. But he
SO does not get it. For one thing, protest can be VERY patriotic. For
another, much of what he calls "hating America" is actually putting forth
valid criticism of it. And for another, the notion that the peace movement is
trying to bully "right-thinking citizens" into silence is quite hysterically
funny; if anything, he's doing that very same thing by personally attacking
those who oppose this war.
I understand that Brad fancies himself a "politically incorrect" shit
disturber, but if he really wanted to make a statement favoring the war, he
might have posted a piece that argued for war in an intelligent manner,
without a personal agenda of personal attacks. Even if he had, though, there
would have been a major problem with it. For I've found that virtually all
defenses of the war, even the intelligent ones, ignore what I see as the
major reason to oppose it.
That, of course, is the fact that countless thousands of innocent Iraqi
civilians will die, and many more will be left without food, water, and/or
shelter.
The time is past when we can see such people as "collateral damage". Not only
is it immoral to kill innocents unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY (and the current
situation doesn't even come close), but it isn't practical. The blowback that
George Bush courts by destroying these innocent lives will lead to
destabilization of the region, more anti-American feeling, and MORE
TERRORISM.
Osama bin Laden must fucking love this. Bush is doing his recruitment
commercial for him.
And if anyone doubts that innocents will die and be otherwise brutalized,
read these two stories, which address the humanitarian disaster that will
occur if the war goes ahead as scheduled, and the fact that there's no plan
in place to deal with that disaster:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=3072
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-annan14feb14011423,1,5290672.story
So yeah, if ignorant and intellectually dishonest pundits wanna call me
unpatriotic, they can go to town. But I'm gonna talk about what they don't
want to talk about, and indeed what even more reasonable war advocates would
rather talk about anything but. (They much prefer to remind us all what a
scumbag Saddam is, as if we didn't know that already.) This, folks, is the
elephant in the room that no one but these awful, awful peaceniks seem to
want to talk about.
Countless dead and otherwise devastated innocent Iraqi civilians.
That's what this is all about.
Steve the Sweet Fat Man
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:45:12 -0500
From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org,
fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ToriTour US] this week's tori presales
one time at band camp, noam tchotchke said:
>(3) the memorial auditorium is a tickets.com venue so the show should
>eventually show up at http://www.tickets.com/venue_info.cgi?vid=14720 .
as predicted!
http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=TDC&pid=5135796
Tori Amos
Sunday, 4/13/03
7:30PM PDT
* Onsale 2/22/03
Memorial Auditorium
See a street map for this venue
This event is currently not available for sale through the web. It is
scheduled to go onsale at: 02/22/03 10:00AM PST.
i'm sure the listing will be updated to reflect tomorrow's presale by
tomorrow morning sometime.
woj
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:54:37 -0500
From: kklein21@student.scad.edu
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: fantasia mourns
thanks for the clarification, john.
i shall inform my contemporary issues professor.
she was misleading us into believing urban legends.
i wonder, if enough people believe in something,
it becomes true for them, though, doesn't it???
(plato's cave)
we're all shadows here, really.
shadows informing shadows.
also, i apparently lost my senses temporarily and
thought that G-nomes were K-nomes.
beavis is eating my brain,
that's all i really have to say.
it's lunchtime.
and where is the wildkobayashian when you need him?
making lots of snow cones, indeed.
(vanilla flavoured???)
kerri renee
love to all.
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