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RDT Right Now #1797

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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1797 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Where were the Kurdish and Iraqi "Pe [ Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net ] tori in texas -- at last! [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ] Contents of this message may be a tr [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ] anti-peace movement [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ] name? [ "Jenna Reasor" <jreasor@thacher.org ] argh [ "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> ] tori fans in miami? [ mychelle <mychelle3@yahoo.com> ] palm beach post's boca raton review [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ] Syracuse Tickets [ "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> ] Megan's story [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:38:25 +0000 From: Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Where were the Kurdish and Iraqi "Peace" Protesters? A boost for Saddam By Jeff Jacoby, 2/20/2003 SOMETHING WAS missing from last weekend's vast wave of demonstrations against war in Iraq: Iraqis. Across Europe and the United States, 2 million or more protesters took to the streets to denounce the Bush administration's plans to disarm Saddam Hussein. The enormous crowds of demonstrators, news reports stressed, comprised all sorts of people - ''college students, middle-aged couples, families with small children, older people who had marched for civil rights, and groups representing labor, the environment, and religious, business, and civic organizations,'' as The New York Times put it. An endless parade of speakers addressed the throngs, praising their antiwar message and denouncing George W. Bush and his allies. Among the speakers at the immense London march were the city's mayor, Ken Livingstone; the playwright Harold Pinter; Jesse Jackson; Bianca Jagger; and even a former minister in Tony Blair's Cabinet. In New York, the crowds heard from Bishop Desmond Tutu, Martin Luther King III, singers Pete Seeger and Richie Havens, and Hollywood celebrities Danny Glover and Susan Sarandon. But where were the Iraqis? Where in this great chorus of antiwar passion were the voices of those for whom Iraq is not just a cause but a homeland? More than 4 million Iraqis have fled that homeland since Saddam came to power in 1979. Tens of thousands live in the United States, hundreds of thousands in Europe. Yet virtually none took part in the weekend's demonstrations. Don't they care about Iraq? Of course they do. That is why they stayed away. ''I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people, media, and politicians,'' one Iraqi expatriate, a London neurologist named B. Khalaf, writes in The Guardian. ''I want to say to all these people who are against the possible war, that if you think ... you are serving the interests of Iraqi people or saving them, you are not. You are effectively saving Saddam. You are depriving the Iraqi people of probably their last real chance to get rid of him.'' Another Iraqi in exile, 19-year-old Rania Kashi, penned an open letter asking where the antiwar movement was during Saddam's war against Iran in the 1980s, which caused the death of 1 million Iraqis and Iranians. Or during his attack on the people of Halabja, when thousands of Iraqi Kurds were gassed to death. ''Saddam rules Iraq using fear; he regularly imprisons, executes, and tortures large numbers of people for no reason whatsoever,'' she wrote. ''Believe me, you will be hard-pressed to find a single family in Iraq which has not had a son/father/brother killed, imprisoned, tortured, and/or `disappeared' due to Saddam's regime. What then has been stopping you from taking to the streets to protest against such blatant crimes against humanity in the past?... I have attended the permanent rally against Saddam that has been held every Saturday in Trafalgar Square for the past five years. The Iraqi people have been protesting for years against the war - the war that Saddam has waged against them. Where have you been?'' If the suffering of Iraq's people meant anything to the protesters, such cries from the heart might have prompted twinges of shame, or at least some second thoughts. But there is little evidence that the antiwar campaign cares at all about those whom Saddam has hurt. Countless demonstrators carried signs reading ''Don't Attack Iraq,'' ''Not In My Name,'' and ''No Blood For Oil.'' Others toted posters defaming Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair - portraying them with swastikas or Hitler m ustaches, for example. For those who failed to grasp the point, a large sign in Rome spelled it out: ''Bush is the new Hitler.'' But nowhere to be seen were signs proclaiming ''Against war AND against Saddam'' or ''Saddam must disarm'' or ''Justice for Saddam's victims.'' There were no banners proclaiming Saddam the new Hitler. None of the speakers were Iraqi Kurds or Shiites or dissidents. None were survivors of Saddam's torture chambers or poison gas attacks. It goes without saying that many of those in the crowds were well-meaning people who want only to prevent war. Undoubtedly they would bristle at being labeled pro-Saddam. But whatever might be in their hearts, they can be judged only by their actions - and by their actions last weekend they declared themselves pro-Saddam. As they poured into the streets, as they clamored for peace at any price, as they denounced those who oppose the tyrant of Baghdad, as they counseled passivity in the face of his crimes, they strengthened one of the world's most vicious despots and complicated the task of those trying to bring him down. The demonstrations were a powerful boost for Saddam and a stinging betrayal of Iraq's afflicted people. That is why they were broadcast live on Iraqi television. And why millions of free Iraqis stayed away. Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com <mailto:%20jacoby@globe.com>. This story ran on page A15 of the Boston Globe on 2/20/2003. © Copyright <http://www.boston.com/globe/search/copyright.html> 2003 Globe Newspaper Company. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:34:38 -0500 From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> To: ustour@torithoughts.org, torinews@smoe.org Cc: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com Subject: tori in texas -- at last! http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003657BFB34D9F Tori Amos Verizon Wireless Theater, Houston, TX Sun, Apr 27, 2003 7:30pm Internet Onsale Info Onsale to General Public: Sat, 03/15/03, 12:00pm -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:21:25 -0800 (PST) From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: "RDT Right Now [yes yes :]" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Contents of this message may be a trifle overboard and a little naughty... How To Win Against Terror: don't watch TV or closely monitor news. These services are trying to catch your ears and eyes to keep you there - because that's how they convince their advertisers they're worth investing in. Who needs terrorists when you have TV? (also true for any other panic event). They nicely reenforce the worst-case moralities too... What should you be worrying about? Really - that you and your friends, family and the like are close enough that if someone's in need of help SOMEONE can help. That's all. Anything that makes anyone here go "whee" has to be fun most like.. (Yay Madame Ade may you have more reasons :) Bittersweets sound fun... LOL but hrm... who'd I fight? I dunno. No one.... If I ever fight anyone it'd be to the death and there's noone I want dead these days... and on pacifism: There's a pacifism that says "I want no one hurt ever" there's one that says "I don't want to hurt anyone ever" and even one that says "only if my life depends on it.." I'm none of the above. I tend to live by the last but that's 'cause it's not that hard most of the time. My dad didn't want to hurt anyone period. He didn't make that judgement over others though. (which is a GOOD thing :) I have no particular beef with war but it'd better be for a good reason (Leslie Fish's "The Sun Is Also A Warrior"). And being a berserker means having a problem with fighting causes me to have schizoid bursts. It's not a good thing. Much easier to not worry about it and just let things figure themselves out. and on soylent green: I'll admit much preferring the taste of -living- people in that enjoyable sense *g*. hrm. much read book (or watch movie) some time... but on the much more enjoyble subject. vaginas are nice tasty with spice but really who counts as it is only a wonder its who's -there- that counts or something like that. Not having one myself I can't really say for certain much more.... I mean sometimes I've dreamed but that's different. noone ever said dreams bear any relation to reality... and to answer Cyndi Crawford: Bif Naked lives in the same region I do... and one of my friends (or to be more precise the daughter of one of my friends) has done makeup work on one of her videos. Mind you this same friend is friends with Marilyn Manson so I guess it's a small world, no? :) Anyways, Bif Naked I first encountered with an interesting friend's musical collection a few years back... and decided I liked but I have yet to buy albums. Go figure. Will soon as I actually can afford it... and from the sounds of it the Johnny Cash video fits. Who'da thunk an old-time country singer could have another hit... in the rock world... playing NiN... (?) But it's DEFINITELY a cool (and popular here in Vancouver anyways) song :) I'm going to avoid Beth Winegarner's comment about chocolate pudding... I -was- in Prince George. And before that Fort St John. Not too long ago (2 years ago april) I moved to the Vancouver area. I likes it here :) hrm. Awe-ghost? I was umm probably better not contacted then... stress-health was -really- shot. Not gotten much better until recently actually *sigh*. Would have liked to meet with Alice I mean Brian Cooper :) (ohh that's an -oollld- reference to this list :) I'll answer Brad Shultz' message later. I've got some thoughts on the whole anti-peace movement myself... and on "How To Lose A Guy in 10 days"... went to see it with two best-friend-peoples... (I like having best friends. People so trustworthy it rocks. Got lots and I hope it's mutual :) Anyways.. Couldn't stop laughing the entire movie. At this point I'm glad to not really having been in any kind of relationship 'cause I'd make the same mistakes she was showing (well some of 'em anyways). What's with this considering Christina Aguilera 'bad' on tv lately? There's this HUGE flack over it. Watched video... Seen naughtier from Britney Spears and lotsa other pop-folks without -half- the noise. Stupid moralist creeps. Looks like she's having fun though :) Steve!!! *YAY* welcome HOME!!!! (agreement about Horowitz) G'day, eh? :) - Winterlion signing off before this becomes a whole digest... -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: "RDT Right Now [yes yes :]" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: anti-peace movement What to do about crackpot dictators? ... make them into US politicians... (or British) anyways... onto more serious comments... and to answer Brad Shultz's comments about 'peace' movement: The 'war' movement is just as lead by fascism, naziism, and totalitarianism. Suspect Bush would enjoy being totalitarian dictator... would make 'taking over the world in the name of freedom' easier. The article you posted has as much accuracy as the "BC Report" (a fascist rag I mean a government-sponsored right-winged news report). Don't forget that "The Great Satan" (referring to 'America') means "The Great Liers" <sp?> Basically the US has renegged and lied about every deal they've made with every country out there. Calling them the Great Satan just refers to them as WHAT THEY ARE (as a political body that is - not in terms of residents of said country). If you really want an end to terror - try and convince your government rep that honouring contracts, arrangements and trade relations are really in your country's best interest. Your rep (whatever/whoever) would probably agree... oh well. Bush and pretty much the entire US government -ARE- the real "Axis of Evil" if you think of lies, cheats, thieves, and dishonour are what evil is. Yes I know the post is a 'troll' in the sense that it's a right-wing fascist post in a generally anti-political-leaning laughter-preferring list, but hey - people DO have a right to an opinion. Also a right to argue it... *g* actually both peace AND war movements are pretty big industries. The real answer is to quit funding news agencies *wry grin* oh - and the world woult be a -lot- better if the US were to keep it's mits to itself. It's 'interests' in other countries tends to be how to get the most money out without repaying it... *sigh*. attacking Iraq is about oil. Kosovo and Bosnia were about political expediency (as was Vietnam, Korea and others). Afghanistan was ALSO about oil but also making sure the US looked scary. Estraven's right on the ball here... but I'll finish with this - the whole world would be a lot happier if the US started honouring their treaties and agreements. I actually have a close-to-personal issue here as most of the unemployment in the province I live in right now is do to ILLEGAL tarrifs imposed from the US in violation to the free-trade agreement they forced us to sign. off for now... - Winterlion -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:10:30 -0800 From: "Jenna Reasor" <jreasor@thacher.org> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: name? hey everyone, i know this is entirely random, but i was thinking about how much i LOVE tori's name & how fitting it was for her & everything.... anyways, i'm a singer/piano player/songwriter and am starting to record a demo-album-- but i just realized how MUCH i don't like my name & it doesn't fit me at all (in the same way that myra ellen definitely does not fit tori).... if anyone happens to have any inspired/creative names floating around in their head that they would be willing to lend to me i would greatly appreciate it, for some reason i can't seem to come up with anything interesting. thanks very much, jenna (the name i don't like... its actually jenna lee reasor, which is even worse...) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:50:33 -0500 From: "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: argh Steve the SFM sed: "There seems to be this assumption on the part of many war supporters that those of us who are anti-war either don't realize or, worse, don't care about how evil Saddam is. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sure, some fringe elements have asserted that Saddam isn't that bad, but the vast majority of those in the peace movement do indeed agree that Saddam is a menace that needs to be dealt with." thank you, finally, for some sense. these people who are saying if you're protesting the war you're "Pro-Saddam" are probably some of the same ones who were giving people grief after 9/11 for not flying a flag. it just doesn't work that way. frankly, though i am anti-war, i am getting more and more embarassed by the highly disorganized protests and marches that take place. i haven't been to any major marches or protests myself (they all seem to fall on Saturdays, which is when I work, and i think my employers would take a dim view of me not showing to go to one), but my roommates have, and they said there's people protesting everything from the legalization of marijuana to freeing Mumia. and then there's the whole "Bush=Hitler" thing, which is kind of embarassing. I mean, don't get me wrong, i'm no fan of GWB, but to paraphrase Bill Maher, if i have to choose between him and Saddam Hussein, i'm going with the Shrub. Anyway. i have a strong dislike of this whole hippie dippy loveflowerspeace thing that i keep seeing among my peers and friends (keep in mind i go to an art school on the east coast, now). i don't think that whole burying your head in the sand thing is going to work. people need to be informed, and i don't see many people around me who are. i hate this whole "if we leave him alone, maybe he'll go away" thing. Saddam needs to be removed, just not the way we seem to be proceeding to do so. one interesting thing I read recently in Newsweek (not the paragon of hard core news coverage, but give me break) that sticks in my mind is this: the US has been threatening to invade Iraq for the last few months. say tomorrow, Bush and his circle decide to stand down, give Saddam another couple chances to show us his package. what message would that send to Iraq and the rest of world? when the US says they're going to take action, they're just kidding. no one would take us seriously. we would get walked all over. so you have to wonder: is that situation more dangerous than invading Iraq? i think we can wring our hands all we want, but the invasion and attack of Iraq will happen. there's no doubt in my mind. that was probably the most disjointed thing i've ever written to this list. i'm working on about 4 hours' sleep here. Sorry. argh, -bethany _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com "Life is more important than art. That's what makes art so important." (John Malpede) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: mychelle <mychelle3@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori fans in miami? i never post anything, but i've been here for quite some time. i recently moved to miami, and i am having a terrible time finding new people to hang out with. no one seems to share my taste in music (most people don't even know who tori IS). anyway, i realized that since i have no real opportunity to meet people through school or work (looong story short- i'm taking care of my mom who has been extremely sick and therefore not working in a traditional sense), i've found myself in a pretty awkward situation. are there any tori fans around here? i didn't make it to the recent boca show since i'd bought tickets for the jacksonville show instead and drove up to see her with a friend there. but i'd assume there must be some tori contingency in miami..... right? since i'm posting, i wanted to tell you how interesting this war/anti-war discussion has been for me. i come from a very republican military family who mostly think obliterating all of the middle east would be a positive contribution to the world (my dad talking, my mom is much more sympathetic). so to hear so many different viewpoints with a little bit more thought behind them, other than "war sucks" is very informative. anyway, feel free to contact me if you're in the miami area and have some suggestions, or heck! even want to be my new friend! :) mychelle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:34:23 -0500 From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: palm beach post's boca raton review <url: http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/accent_e365a7bc30b 251d30010.html > Amos' passionate delivery spellbinding to her faithful By Christa Nieminen, Palm Beach Post Arts Writer Saturday, February 22, 2003 Tori Amos has devotees, not fans. Her concerts are always a bit frightening. Not as in Nightmare on Elm Street scary or Stepford Wives creepy but in the way that the ardor of newly initiated religious cult members can be a bit unnerving. Thursday night's show at Boca Raton's scenic Mizner Park Amphitheater was no different. I've listened to Tori Amos since 1992's Little Earthquakes and immediately fell in love with her passionate piano-playing. Having seen her several times over the last 10 years, I keep expecting the crowd to age with her, with me. Mellow. But, they don't. And she doesn't. Sure, there are those of us who are there because a) we enjoy her music and b) we like to relive our college years, but there are also the young ones (and some not-so-young) who are rabid fans, the ones who dress for Amos. Literally. Each time I see her, I am mesmerized by her legions of followers, who attire themselves in angel's wings and devil's horns and cry, no, weep as Amos sings fervently about religion and sex and let's face it, some topics indiscernible due to the cryptic, autobiographical nature of her lyrics. Thursday's performance began with Amos offstage singing the short a cappella track Wampum Prayer from Scarlet's Walk, her latest offering. Following, a red curtain dropped and Amos appeared to address the crowd with a simple, but endearingly meek, bow. Accompanied by Jon Evans on bass and Matt Chamberlain on drums, she took to her piano and began A Sorta Fairytale, the first single from Scarlet. While CDs convey the intensity of her music, the Tori-Amos-live experience falls within a completely different category. Often playing her piano and electronic keyboard simultaneously, she writhes on the piano bench and moves seamlessly between melody and harmony, paying no attention to traditional right-hand and left-hand parts. Her vocals meander from an elfin soprano to a hoarse alto and all ranges in between as varying fabrics of her playing are revealed. Evans and Chamberlain are stellar musicians. They help to create the seamless quality of Amos' performances. For example, most of the introductions to her songs had been rearranged, generally building in intensity. This often made the songs a mystery until a minute or so into them. When the song did become clear, the audience would roar, almost as if they were literally falling into each song. Chamberlain's drumming was often showcased in these introductions. There is a human metronome and it is Chamberlain. While she performed several songs from her more recent records, especially from 1998's from the choirgirl hotel, Amos did offer some classics. The band provided a stirring rendition of Cornflake Girl. One of the highlights of the evening was an arrangement of Crucify, during the first of three encores. The bass served as melody for a good few minutes of a long, but enjoyable, introduction. Much of the crowd launched into eerie hand gestures, as she sang "Why do we crucify ourselves," as if some mystical choir director were conducting them in unison. As always, one of the most intense moments of the evening was during Precious Things, a song about memories, rejection and pain. The song began to build into a frenetic piano part. That, combined with the swirling kaleidoscope lighting and the image of the wind blowing Amos' hair as she attacked the piano sent the crowd into a frenzy. Amos played for more than two hours with no sign of fatigue despite the emotional outpouring she puts into her music. The majority of the crowd stood for the entire show with no sign of fatigue or decreased interest. I, on the other hand, was exhausted. christa_nieminen@pbpost.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:25:40 +0000 From: "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Syracuse Tickets I have 2 tickets to the concert in Syracuse for this Saturday 3/1 I am unable to attend do to a broken ankle. I am not looking to make a profit just get my money back. The total for this is $85.75 exactly what I paid to ticket master. The seats are in Sec. OEC/LC Row T seats 107/105 please email me asap if interested liquidice93@hotmail.com Thanx Rikki Check out my poems :) http://poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?sitename=liquidice&item=home A GOAL WITHOUT A PLAN IS JUST A WISH _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:07:34 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Megan's story I figured I'd be kind and courteous and let everybody who's trying to check out Megan's story know what's going on.. fanfiction.net recently moved all the original (as in.. the stuff that's not about a toon character, etc..) to fictionpress.net so.. Megan's story can be found here now: http://www.fictionpress.net/read.php?storyid=1190934 GO THERE NOW!! It's awesome! Sincerely, Cyndi S. 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