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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1802
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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she's aliiiiive.. ALIIIIVE!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Houston Show: Verizon Wireless Theat [ Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com> ]
Houston Show: Verizon Wireless Theat [ Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com> ]
Houston Show: Verizon Wireless, Apri [ Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com> ]
Houston Show: Verizon Wireless, Apri [ Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com> ]
Fwd: Prayer [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
War and Peace [ Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1801 [ john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
happy 3rd row seats! [ "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hot ]
Houston Show - April 27, 2003 [ Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com> ]
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:39:53 -0500
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: she's aliiiiive.. ALIIIIVE!!
Yes, I'm alive, blah blah, whatever.. it's been an uneventful few
weeks here other than being busy with school and junk, ehhhh? ><
Bethany responded to the "Who would you fight" question: "Celebrity wise,
Martha Stewart. because I can't stand her spreading her smarminess and
bad taste and snobbery throughout the land for one more second. that and
it would be fun to knock the smirk off her face. And Jay Leno, to get him
off the television for at least a couple weeks.<
Interesting.. lol.. I'd help hold Leno down for ya! Me, I'd like
to plant a punch in the mouth of.... nyeh, forget it, I can't think of
anybody. lol.. I'd like to punch people who are basically backstabbers
who act fake.. and I do mean *FAKE*.. all the time.
Jewel explained pacifism to me.. Thank you very much Jewel.
Beth said she'd fight either Marilyn Manson or Verne Troyer.. hey why not
both? :D
Brian informed us that he once played--as a little kid--with John
Howard's kids... interesting.. you didn't scare 'em, did ya? ... or did
they scare you?
and Brad has been posting lots of articles involving the war lately..
Brad, dude.. we love you, but.. I wanna hear what *YOU*.. PERSONALLY..
have to say about the war.. not what somebody else thinks. You can quote
other people, but pleaaaaaase? I wanna hear YOUR words about it. :)
Ade told us that she thinks Etienne is incredibly beautiful.. I think so
too! That, On The Boundary, and Floating City. I love those songs.
^_____^
*frowns* weren't we gonna be doing some more Director's Chair stuff?
Honestly, Julie had a great idea with suggesting that game, so.. let's do
it! I don't wanna be the ONLY one doing it for pete's sake! me and Ade,
for that matter.. heh heh..
BEFORE I forget, Beth W, happy belated birthday! hope it was faboo! :)
Brian said: "Terrorists have won. They have governments terrorizing their
own people, when really what they should be doing is going about the
business of national security quietly, but visibly. But it is one tool
the spin doctors are using to justify having a war."
and can I just say how incredibly frighteningly right you are,
Brian dear? cuz.. you are. It's ridiculous, but so true.. *grumble*
Megan S. said: "I am interested in politics and what is going on in my
world, but have found myself watching Simpson reruns rather than the
news."
I love the Simpsons and almost never remember to watch it when
it's on, but generally speaking--yeah.. I avoid the TV completely
nowadays. :P no need to be running around SCARED about nothing.
One of my friends was paranoid about the 3rd of March earlier this month,
and I was like "oh PLEASE. I don't see any reason why you should be
scared just because it's 03/03/03. that's bloody ridiculous!" She went on
to say that it was because of the 03 03 03 thing as well as the fact that
one of the Al Quaeda people have been captured. I was like "Whatever."
Sure enough, she was just wasting energy. I JUST don't understand why
people get so worked up over nothing these days.
Megan then asked our opinion as to what to do with some lady who thinks
she can talk shit about her to her son AND be rude AND take the phone
away from him when he wants to talk to her... me, I'd answer Dani's "Who
would you fight?" question with her as my response, if I were you. ;)
Seriously.. you need to confront her AND his dad about this, Megan. Of
course, try and stay calm and rational, but definitely approach them
about this problem.
Bethey said: "I will not fight with my fists. I fight with my mind. I
fight with my words. I fight with my poetry."
Bethey, have I told you lately how much I LOVE you? lol
seriously.. I love the way you think! :)
Cheefooska Juan liked my Hey Jupiter video idea (thank you! :)) and said:
"i've always thought that the little girl might tori too... i mean that
part of you that's still pure, that watches your grown sad bitter hurt
self and tries to nurse you and calm you down like they did when you
cried as a child... the part that still believes in magic, that hasn't
given up to the world being a senseless chaos of ambition and power and
hate and selfishness and fear... the part that can save you and turn a
sunset into reason enough to go on living jump in a cab while your
apartment's on fire and make you laugh again."
Very poetic.. I like that imagery, I do.. and that's a VERY
interesting way to look at it, in fact--the little girl representing a
part of Tori I mean.. *nods* very interesting.. I can't think of much to
say to that other than what I just did, but I do like that suggestion..
^^
Roxanne said: "Nobody likes war. Unfortuantely, sometimes it's the only
way to get things done."
Very true. However.. the question is, have we exhausted all other
options in solving this dilemma with Iraq (and North Korea)? BECAUSE.. if
we have, then there's nothing else we can do. If we haven't, then going
to war is, to me, jumping to conclusions wayyyyyy too quickly.
Congrats Julie on making the 10th grade honor roll! :) I never did cuz I
wanted to just pass my classes. I didn't care about making *GOOD* grades
in most of my classes. In other words.. my mother, I am not. (she WORKS
HARD to make good grades and then looks at her three kids and wonders why
we don't give a damn. lol.. poor mom..) Anyway, yeah. congrats, Julie. :D
After I asked if Tori had said anything involving the threat of war, Eric
kindly (thank you! :)) told me of a few instances where she said
something about it directly or indirectly during her concerts. I like
that! :D
Jenna asked us for suggestions on a name change.. um.. why not keep your
name legally but call yourself.. J Lee? That kinda rolls off one's tongue
a bit better. ^^
Jim asked us: "What are the most and least effective uses of the word
"fuck" in
music?"
I think when Tori uses it--especially since she doesn't overuse
it--that's a VERY effective way of using "fuck". On the other end of the
scope.. when someone like Kid Rock--who I enjoy from time to time but
seems to be cursed with some form of Tourette's Syndrome--uses it, it's
as effective as saying "la de da" because he uses it so bloody much..
like in a song of his called "Fuck You Blind".. let's put it this
way--the chorus goes: "I'll fuck you blind bitch / I'll fuck you blind
bitch / I'll fuck you blind / till you just can't see no more".. need I
say more? ><
Simon said: "lavs wrote: >Subject: still alive
exit 75? ;)"
is THAT what she's saying?? I swear I keep hearing it as "at six
seventy-five, I'm still alive" etc! rofl.. interesting, nyeh? and
speaking of numbers like that, does anybody have a clue about the
significance of 6:58 in Spark?
Welcome to the list, Becca! :)
Steve the Sweet Fat Man talked about Scarlet's Walk and mentioned Mrs
Jesus and Taxi Ride as "Kevyn songs".. I knew Taxi Ride was, but I didn't
know Mrs Jesus was.. interesting..
Winterlion beat us all to the punch: "Happy Birthday to EVERYONE - 'cause
everyone here has one sometime this year :)"
and, my dear, we all have 364 UNbirthdays to celebrate, ya see?
:D
wonderful Succubus Megan, I must say that I love your poetry. YOU ARE
TALENTED!! incredibly so. :D
Bethey posted an article where Tori directly spoke about this war crap..
THANK YOU BETHEY!!
Jessica lamented over it being Finals week.. I've got a couple of weeks
to go before that, thankfully, but.. whatever. We all have to face that
eventually, don't we? sucks, doesn't it? anyway.. good luck with YOUR
finals, Jessica. :)
Now I must get dressed and go into school for a while.. bleah. :P much
love to everybody!
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ --
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html --
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:44:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Houston Show: Verizon Wireless Theature, April 27, 2003
*de-lurkes*
Hi Guys. Long time no write but I have been really
busy with school and stuff. I have been keeping up
with reading digests though. I heard the good news
about Tori finally coming to Texas on this tour; I
prayed and prayed for it. Anyone from this list
planning to attend the m&g that would like to meet up?
Let me know.
*returns to lurkeville*
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:45:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Houston Show: Verizon Wireless Theature, April 27, 2003
*de-lurkes*
Hi Guys. Long time no write but I have been really
busy with school and stuff. I have been keeping up
with reading digests though. I heard the good news
about Tori finally coming to Texas on this tour; I
prayed and prayed for it. Anyone from this list
planning to attend the m&g that would like to meet up?
Let me know.
Deadra
*returns to lurkeville*
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:51:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Houston Show: Verizon Wireless, April 27, 2003
Hello everyone! Anyone on this list planning on
attending the m&g that would like to meet up?
Deadra
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:53:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Houston Show: Verizon Wireless, April 27, 2003
Hello everyone! Anyone on this list planning on
attending the m&g that would like to meet up?
Deadra
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:10:37 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Fwd: Prayer
This is a message from a girl at my school (Cedar Crest). I don't pray, but
I do entreat the energies, so maybe that's prayer also. Anyway, this
suggestion can't hurt.
Beth
Hi!
I was talking to one of my friends over break, and I keep forgetting to
say this at meetings.
Apparently a Protestant minister received a message, vision, dream, or
whatever you want to call it, that if 1 million people prayed, Hussein
will be taken out of Iraq without the use of war. I know the people on
this list are of different religions, but I hold the belief that we are
all praying to the same thing, whatever our religion may be... (I am not
protestant, and I'm sending this, aren't I...)
Anyway, If everyone who can pray to whatever God, god, or gods they may
worship, in whatever way is most comfortable to them, (a prayer does not
have to be spoken if it is an action offered to your God in some manner)
and send this message on to as many people as possible, so they can help
too, we can really do something... we need to keep working at what we're
doing still, but this can't hurt, and if it works, we'll have some extra
help that we could probably use...
If you do not, can not, or just don't believe in praying, please send
this on to people who do...a million people is not that many, but it
still is a lot...
Like one of my friends said- even if it doesn't help- it certainly can't
hurt!
Thank You!
-BA
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:28:09 +0000
From: Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: War and Peace
Washington Post
March 11, 2003
Pg. 23 When Peace Is No Better Than War By Richard Cohen Pope John Paul
II, former president Jimmy Carter and a host of other religious and
civic leaders have declared that the coming conflict with Iraq would not
meet the test of a "just war." Carter laid out his case in a New York
Times op-ed essay the other day, and I read it agreeing with some of his
points, arguing with others but, in the end, raising a question of my
own: Never mind a just war, what about a just peace? There ought to be
such a thing. There ought to be an understanding that while war is bad
-- very, very bad -- sometimes peace is no better, especially if all it
does is postpone a worse war. That is what would happen if the United
States now pulled back, leaving Saddam Hussein in power and our troops
sweating in the desert, their morale and their strength dissipating.
What would happen then? Ultimately, Hussein would wait us out. This is
what he has been doing since the Persian Gulf War in 1991, when he began
this game of hide-and-seek with his weapons of mass destruction. If, at
the moment, he does not have nuclear weapons, it's not for lack of
trying. He had such a program once and he will have one again -- just as
soon as the world loses interest and the pressure on him is relaxed. In
the meantime, he will stay in power -- a thug in control of a crucial
Middle Eastern nation. He will remain what he is, a despot who runs a
criminal regime. He will continue to oppress and murder his own people
-- dissidents, Kurds, Shiites and others -- and resume support of
terrorism abroad. He is who he is. He deserves no second chance. I grant
you that in the run-up to this war, the Bush administration has slipped,
stumbled and fallen on its face. It has advanced untenable, unproven
arguments. It has oscillated from disarmament to regime change to
bringing democracy to the Arab world. It has linked Hussein with al
Qaeda when no such link has been established. It has warned of an
imminent Iraqi nuclear program when, it seems, that's not the case. And
it has managed, in a tour de force of inept diplomacy, to alienate much
of the world, including some of our traditional allies. But the fact
remains that were it not for those 250,000 troops sitting out in the
desert, there would be no inspectors in Iraq. Hussein kicked them out
once and he will kick them out again, just as soon as the world, as is
its wont, loses interest and succumbs to the lust for oil, contracts
and, in the case of France, the chimera of a glorious yesterday. I
recently saw "The Pianist," Roman Polanski's Oscar-nominated movie. It
is based on the Holocaust experience of Wladyslaw Szpilman, a
Polish-Jewish concert pianist. It occurred to me that for some of that
time -- 1939, 1940 and almost all of 1941 -- the United States was at
peace, faced with no imminent threat from Germany. It took the
irrational attack on Pearl Harbor by Japan to get us into the war. Had
Japan not struck, God only knows what might have happened. I do not
equate Iraq with Nazi Germany. The threat is not the same. But what is
the same is that once again we are faced with a beast and the challenge
to do something about him. The world has repeatedly ordered Hussein to
disarm. He has not done so. The world cannot now simply turn away or
selfishly demand that America keep an army on his borders to be used,
really, only when France says so. Some of the arguments raised against
war are daunting. But some of them are just plain insulting. Where were
the peace marchers when Hussein was using poison gas against the Kurds?
Where were they when he slaughtered the Shiites? Where were they when he
invaded Iran and then Kuwait? Why don't those so-called human shields in
Baghdad find Hussein's torture chambers and chain themselves to the
gates? I have neither the credentials nor the inclination to get into a
theological dispute about a just war. Frankly, I think there is
altogether too much "God talk" already. What's more, I have some doubts
about this war -- especially the challenge of governing and rebuilding
Iraq afterward. But I have less doubt about the sort of peace that would
result from what, after all, would be appeasement. Saddam Hussein -- not
to mention other despots -- will have taken the measure of us. He will
resume his old ways. By then, a just war might be unthinkable -- and a
just peace no longer in our grasp.
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:37:12 -0500 (EST)
From: john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1801
jessica said:
> this email is full of no fuckin point but yeah, i need something to
> read while i'm waiting to write my paper on lucille clifton.
Hey, in the context of #1801, you shone out like Marcel Proust combined
with Kurt Cobain. At least your entry wasn't generated by a machine. :-)
We saw Tori last Thursday at Radio City, and, for me, it was like but not
love. The set started out very strong, but got weaker later on, though
perhaps this view was colored by my increasingly-painful-and-cramping
knee, which I couldn't straighten out because of acrophobia (we were in
the second balcony, and I wasn't about to stand up until I had to).
I did miss Caton, though another guitarist would have been better than
nothing. The bass-and-drums-and Tori lineup lacks (IMHO) the musical
power of the full band, but it also doesn't have the emotional power of
the solo performances.
The sound system was, at least from where we sat, less than stellar, and
during (a terrific performance of) Rattlesnakes, something shorted out, so
there was a very annoying buzz during the rest of the evening.
The highlights? The whole beginning of the set (fairytale, sneeze,
pancake, honey, take to the sky). The solo stuff wasn't transcendent (I
feel like I've heard her perform "winter" and "icicle" about eight times,
and I've only seen her six times). The last time I heard her perform
"landslide" I cried, and this time didn't have that power.
After that, "spark" was a monster, and "rattlesnakes" was great, but the
rest was only so-so. I was hoping she'd do "i can't see new york", but
the constant buzz from the sound system ruined it.
The first encore (taxi ride and tear in your hand) was amazing. I dozed
off during the second encore, which is not easy to do when your knee is
producing stabbing pain.
So, up and down. Those who went the other nights got some good alternate
song selections, but I got "rattlesnakes," and "spark" and "tear in your
hand," so I'm not about to complain on that score.
As B/4,
John
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:23:39 +0000
From: "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: happy 3rd row seats!
thanks to the lovely presale (which started like 5 minutes early)
i got 3rd row seats for the Houston Show! Section 102, row c, seats 19 and
20.
i keep trying to call my boyfriend to tell him the good news but he's not
answering.
i thought about going to the San Antonio show too, but I want to see Annie
Lennox and her tickets are mucho spendy.
That one week in april is going to be a blast. Annie Lennox on the 20th,
Mamma Mia on the 25th, and Tori on the 27th!
*happy happy happy happy dance*
john
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:30:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Deadra Logan <blindtori@yahoo.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Houston Show - April 27, 2003
WOOOO HOOO! I got incredibly lucky this morning on
the internet pre-sale for the tix. I got 4th row
center orchestra! I am so excited, you guys, I can't
contain myself! You guys should have seen me! I was
juming up and down and running in circles doing my
"happy dance of joy" (don't ask) I am so incredibly
excited. These are the best seats I've ever had for a
concert and not only that, but it is for the one and
only goddess herself! The arena is very small and
intimate. I saw her there two years ago on Halloween
and had seats in the balcony towards the back of the
arena. I am so psyched! I am going to be counting
the days!
Deadra
*flies off into bliss*
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