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Date:
Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:57:49 -0800
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1803
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
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Houston :) [ "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hot ]
pittsburgh post-gazette concert prev [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ]
Stuff... [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
I unlocked the unknown and probably [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
Now it ALL makes Sense [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
War [ Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net ]
Plan Of Action from Not in our name. [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
I'm cleaning out my closet [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
Peace and Pretzels [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
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http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:45:07 +0000
From: "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Houston :)
Deadra,
Your seats are like right behind me, and I'll definately be at the meet and
greet.
My boyfriend said he wanted to go to the show with me, which is good because
I was going to make him either way. So I asked if he just wanted to go to
the show, or do the whole nine yards. Actually I asked him if he wanted the
full concert experience. It's just not a Tori show without making a day of
it.
I'm thinking of making us shirts to wear to the show. Just using some iron
on transfers and a printer. He really likes the song merman so I was
thinking of printing up the lyrics for it too, or some of the lyrics and
putting them on the shirt. Right now I think mine's going to be a
"scarlet's walk" (the song not the whole album) inspired shirt because the
lyric
"what do you plan to do with all your stories
the new sheriff said, quite proud of his basge,
we'll wave them through every rockets red glare
and huddled masses, you just lift your lamp"
have been running in my head a lot lately.
so i'm excited.
anyone else going?
i'm so excited, but i already said that.
john
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:01:39 -0500
From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: pittsburgh post-gazette concert preview
<url: http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/20030314amos5.asp >
Music Preview: Tori Amos takes a 'Walk' through America
Friday, March 14, 2003
By Scott Mervis, Post-Gazette Weekend Editor
The only pyrotechnics at a Tori Amos show come from the flame-haired
singer-pianist and her hot little rhythm section.
But Amos, who arrives at the A.J. Palumbo Sunday, likens her concerts to
the tribal fires of primitive or ancient civilizations.
"The idea is that there's a metaphorical fire that you come to every night,
like you would have in the old days," she says. "You come to ceremony and
bring with you from the day, your troubles, information you've heard,
misinformation you've heard, to try and make some kind of sense of what's
going on in the world, like they did in the old days, but we just have a
lot more information -- or misinformation -- thrown at us."
So don't search the Internet in advance for the set list. Every night is
going to be a new experience, she says, beginning with a Wampum prayer.
"I don't know what it is until about 30 minutes before the show, depending
on the news on the wire, depending on the letters backstage, and I string
the songs together based on the information to then play it out
symbolically through the music."
More than likely, Amos' current shows are focused around her seventh and
latest record, "Scarlet's Walk," another outing that can carry listeners
away with its gorgeously flowing melodies. Thematically, Amos describes it
as a sonic novel that explores America in the wake of 9/11 from the point
of view of a character named Scarlet who encounters other strong female
characters on her trek.
" 'Scarlet's Walk' is very much about the inside affecting the outside, the
outside affecting the inside," Amos says, speaking from a coffee shop in a
Detroit mall. "We're personally involved in our nation. We're all
personally involved, if you're half awake. What I'm seeing across the
nation now is people refusing to turn it over to our leaders anymore,
because the trust is gone. No one is quite sure what the agenda is anymore;
the people I'm seeing are getting involved in ways I haven't seen in a long
time."
Amos, who was in New York on 9/11 and now splits time between England and
South Florida, saw a profound spiritual change in the way Americans relate
to America.
"A lot of people didn't feel anything of America as a soul, like the Native
Americans have been nurturing since the beginning. But when the twins went
down, for the first time, for many of us, she became alive, bleeding,
burning. And in the death, all the human death, the soul of the country was
alive, crying out. It's very different from 'We are Americans, these are
our forefathers, the patriarchy.' What about the land? The mother land. Our
divine mother. You know what, the French understand this. They understand
that France is different than the French and the governing body. Same with
the Irish. We haven't had a relationship like that with our land."
As for Scarlet, Amos says, "the whole journey is that she becomes a
physical mother and realizes, in the end, that to mother her daughter, to
leave her anything, she has to mother her spiritual mother, which is
America, personified by Amber Waves and the other women on the record."
What "Scarlet's Walk" doesn't do is reveal itself as an obvious concept
album. Amos handles everything with a subtle touch and a typically abstract
lyrical approach. Amos says people can enjoy the album on any level they
choose.
"It's none of my business how people listen. I'm not dictatorial, like,
'Listen to it like this.' Maybe I was like that years ago. It's none of my
business what people do with the music. They have their own relationship
with the songs. I'm the librarian. The songs work as individual short
stories. But this is a narrative and if you want to look at it like that,
it works on that level, too. I wrote a work that if you want to take it as
far as you can, the blueprints and architecture are there."
Not coincidentally, this is Amos' first record of new material since she
became a mother to Natashya Lorien, who is now 2 and with her on tour.
Needless to say, motherhood has made a big impact on the singer-songwriter.
"I guess in ways that I can't even measure it, because I changed so
completely," Amos says. "Mainly because I guess I was ready for it. I've
had a few miscarriages and the loss of it was humbling, how fragile life
is. By the time I became a mother I sort of put being a mother first. While
I was pregnant, I played a lot of music but I stopped working. I had to
change my life and my rhythm, because I couldn't hold life inside. My pace
was not right. And so I just devoted everything to carry this life."
Amos, whose work has looked inward for much of her career, already sees
that being a mom and a mature woman could change all that.
"It is looking more outward now," she says. "I think maybe that's what
happens when you're looking outward to make decisions for your child.
Before, when you're a writer, a poet in your 20s, like 'Little Earthquake,'
you're finding out who you are. Once you're 40 you kind of need to know
that. There needs to be an exchange for the lines on your face."
Scott Mervis can be reached at smervis@post-gazette.com or 412-263-2576.
INSET:
Tori Amos
WITH: Rhett Miller.
WHERE: A.J. Palumbo Theater, Uptown.
WHEN: 7:30 p.m. Sunday.
TICKETS: $37.50; 412-323-1919.
ARTIST'S SITE: www.toriamos.com
DETAILS: WYEP-FM (91.3) will present a live broadcast of a discussion and
interview with Tori Amos from a private, sold-out event at Club Cafe at 1
p.m. Sunday.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:05:04 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Stuff...
I've written this post twice and had it error out on me. Let's see if third
time's a charm.
McGuire Research just called me about Bush and the environment. The
parameters was all female responders. Just to share a few choice answers:
Q: Are Dem., Rep or Indie?
A: I'm a Socialist. Do you have a line for that?
Q: Pres. Bush wants to eliminate federal environmental restrictions for
Pennsy military sites, allowing them to pollute the air and water. Does
this effect your opinion of the president adversely?
A: Not as much as the fact he is lying with every breath he takes. And what
will the military be polluting with? Bio, Chem or Nukes?
Q: How strongly do you feel about change in the White House in the next
election?
A: About as strongly that some NRA nut should take Bush into a back alley
and shoot him.
Q: Thank you for your time and expressing your opinion.
A: Thanks for letting me know that the average person is actually surveyed.
Our resident SuperModel Crawford (I love you too!) said:
>>One of my friends was paranoid about the 3rd of March earlier this month,
and I was like "oh PLEASE. I don't see any reason why you should be
scared just because it's 03/03/03. that's bloody ridiculous!" She went on
to say that it was because of the 03 03 03 thing as well as the fact that
one of the Al Quaeda people have been captured. I was like "Whatever."
Sure enough, she was just wasting energy. I JUST don't understand why
people get so worked up over nothing these days.<<
Actually, the military was set to strike on 3/3 because of the new moon.
The beginning "shock and awe" phase of this war will be fought at night, and
night vision goggles work best with no moon. It was also the last week
before the Spring sandstorms were due to begin. Now they are pretty much
screwed. The sand is driven by 40 -90 mile per hour winds and gets into
everything, jamming machinery and sandblasting holes in clothing. There
isn't another new moon until March 25, and the soldiers moral isn't going to
hold out that long, so George is going to have to authorize a strike soon.
As far as the weather, well, it doesn't get better. The wind dies down only
when daily temps are in the 90's. I keep hoping he will see that he has a
chance now to back out without losing face, citing his duty to the American
public and his response to World outcry.
In that spirit, Sunday at 7:PM to 8:PM, the World is having a candlelight
vigil.
Beginning in New Zealand, these locally organized candlelight
vigils will circle around the globe. They'll be beautiful,
powerful, and inspiring. They'll send an eloquent and clear
message that the world wants peace. And they'll be supported
by many religious leaders -- including Archbishop Desmond
Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize winner -- who will help to
articulate the moral case against war.
Never before have so many coordinated vigils taken place
around the globe. We have the opportunity on Sunday to show
just how the world feels about the war on Iraq -- but the
impact depends on your participation. Please take some time
to join millions in countries around the world in a Global
Vigil for Peace. Sign up now at:
http://www.globalvigil.org
If you can't make a vigil, you can still join the global
action on Sunday. Just put Christmas lights or anything that
shines in your window on Sunday evening.
I'll be at my college and hoping my granddaughter will be there. She's 3
now, and I'll bet that she'll be reading about this in 10 years time.
Good news: I'm so glad Elizabeth Smart made it home safe and sound.
More Good News: I'm finally a professional speaker! I spoke to educators
about substance abuse and received money for my verbal skills! Yea!
AND...I've been commissioned to write a poem for someone, and yes, get
paid!!! Isn't it amazing?
I'd better go before this crashes on me.
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:48:28 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: I unlocked the unknown and probably untold
3/14/03
6:44 pm
So there was this guy in my class today talking about his plan on how he's
gonna fuck this girl he likes. He said that he wants to ask her out tonight
and borrow her car and then say that he loves her and then get her really
drunk and then try to have sex with her and if she says no he'll pop her in
the mouth and beat her so her head gets swullon (don't know how to spell
"swullon")
Well, later on that day I told my case manager and she's going to tell
someone and not put my name in it.
Current mood: Content
Current sounds/music: "I I E E E" by Tori Amos
Current place: My family room
Julie H.
E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com
MTV Member: JulieH214
AOL IM: JulieH0214
Yahoo! IM: Juls21487
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:04:56 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Now it ALL makes Sense
Peter Freundlich, heard on All Things Considered, March 13, 2003:
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All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly...
We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to
Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to
wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. The paramount
principal is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and if we have
to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then, by gum, we will.
Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this
right?
Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the
democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that,
too, because democracy as _we_ define it is too important to be stopped
by a little thing like democracy as _they_ define it.
Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot
afford dissension among ourselves. We must speak with one voice against
Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are
sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that
might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to think it does. And
we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us
oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition. We cannot leave in
power a dictator who ignores his own people, and if _our_ people, and
people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand that then we have no
choice but to ignore them.
Listen, don't misunderstand... I think it is a good thing that the
members of the Bush administration seem to have been reading Lewis
Carroll. I only wish someone had pointed out that 'Alice in Wonderland'
and 'Through the Looking Glass' are meditations on paradox and puzzle
and illogic, and on the strangeness of things, not templates for foreign
policy. It is amusing for the Mad Hatter to say something like "We must
make war on him because he is a threat to peace," but not amusing for
someone who actually commands an army to say that. As a collector of
laughable arguments, I'd be enjoying all this, were it not for the fact
that I know, we all know, that lives are going to be lost in what
amounts to a freak, circular reasoning, accident.
- Peter Freundlich on All Things Considered, March 13, 2003
RealAudio:
http://www.npr.org/dmg/dmg.php?prgCode=ATC&showDate=13-Mar-2003&segNum=16&me
diaPref=RM
Join the Choir:
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:06:12 +0000
From: Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: War
Washington Times
March 11, 2003
Pg. 1 Iraqi Immigrants Want Saddam Ousted By Steve Miller, The
Washington Times SOUTHFIELD, Mich. ó Ramsey Jiddou, fresh from a
conference in Washington with National Security Adviser Condoleezza
Rice, Vice President Richard B. Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald
H. Rumsfeld, was back here at home to beat the drums of liberation with
his fellow Iraqis. "Finally, somebody is listening to us," Mr. Jiddou, a
chemist who immigrated from his native Baghdad in the late 1970s to
escape Saddam Hussein's dictatorial oppression, said over the weekend.
His sentiments are shared throughout the largest Iraqi community in the
United States, in southeast Michigan: Get Saddam out of power and do it
now. "I want peace in Iraq. So if you are for peace, you cannot be for
Saddam. It is all about changing the regime," said Ala Faik, a real
estate agent in Ann Arbor, 45 miles down Interstate 94 from Detroit.
Like almost everyone who has settled here from his homeland, he simply
knows that Saddam has to go by any means necessary. Since a June
conference here of various anti-Saddam groups that was attended by
low-level State Department members, Iraqi communities in Michigan,
California, Illinois and Tennessee have been quietly tapped by the Bush
administration for support and advice on the U.S. effort to depose
Saddam. At government expense, these representatives have been brought
to Washington to tell Mr. Cheney, Miss Rice and other ranking officials
of the pressing need to remove Saddam from power. The State Department
would not comment on its effort to recruit these community members. "We
have actually said this for 35 years," said Mr. Jiddou, 59, as he drove
through a large settlement of Chaldeans ó members of Iraq's Christian
minority ó in this Detroit suburb, where a retirement home, Chaldean
Manor, sits next to a megachurch and the Chaldean Club. An estimated
120,000 Chaldeans live in and around Detroit, and 60,000 more ó Arabs
and Kurds as well as Chaldeans ó came in two waves: one after the rise
to power of Saddam in 1979 and another after the 1991 Gulf war and the
ensuing failed uprisings. They danced in the aisles when Deputy
Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz showed up in Dearborn to address
them last month. "He did not expect that. The people were so glad that
he came here to talk to us about ending the regime in Iraq" said Mr.
Faik, who is part of a national group of Iraqis, called the Iraqi Forum
for Democracy, who advocate the removal of Saddam. Last week, a
coalition of mostly Detroit area Iraqis, Muslim and Christian, sent a
letter to Miss Rice, thanking her for inviting them to the White House
and stressing that "those who are marching for 'peace and justice' in
the name of the Iraqi people are unwittingly supporting a totalitarian
dictator who promotes terrorism." "These people, these so-called peace
people who support human rights, have never been there for the people of
Iraq," said Salam Jafar, a 52-year-old physician, who left Iraq in 1980.
He sits in a suburban Ann Arbor kitchen with several other Iraqi
Muslims, gulping coffee and talking about siblings, parents and children
who were taken in Saddam-ordered campaigns of ethnic cleansing and
brutal suppression of uprisings. All four of the men, in their 40s and
50s, have made the United States home, raising families, paying
mortgages and hoping for the end of the Saddam era so relatives in Iraq
can be free to visit and vice versa. Until now, anti-Saddam statements
from Iraqis in the U.S. were rare, they all conceded; Saddam has spies
among them in Detroit's Middle Eastern community. "People are now
encouraged by this administration, and we are tired of not being able to
tell the truth," Dr. Jafar said, risking retribution against family
members in Iraq. "And we got tired of all those stories from Iraq, where
the people tell the news people that they don't want war," he added. "Of
course they say that. There are [government police] right there next to
them. To tell the truth could mean death." If Saddam is toppled as
hoped, there are few Iraqis who would return permanently to their home
country, although most would enthusiastically help settle a long-awaited
democracy. "Nobody here would go back, not after all this time," said
Ilham Jiddou, wife of Mr. Jiddou, the chemist. "It will take a long time
to really establish the country ... too long."
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:07:45 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Plan Of Action from Not in our name.net
If/when we hear of massive bombing of Iraq, we must respond to this with
massive resistance. There can be no business as usual that day. Don't go to
work, or to school. Don't stay at home in your living room, watching this
massacre unfold on TV. Plan convergence points in every city and community
for that day now and spread the word. Gather in the day and manifest your
resistance into the night. Hook up now with others in your city and make
plans. Keep checking www.notinourname.net for updates.
This war is not in our name! It is immoral, unjust and illegitimate. We must
act as if the future depends on it - because it does!
www.notinourname.net
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:37:15 +1100
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: I'm cleaning out my closet
One of those rare moments it seems when I get a chance to write.
Well I've been having fun over the last couple of weeks. I decided to
re-paint my bedroom as it was the first room I had ever painted and it
showed. I also took the opportunity to disassemble the built-in wardrobe to
paint behind it. Anyhow, in preparation I had to remove all the boxes that
had been sitting in there for years and now, after painting, it's time to
sort it all out before putting it back.
Besides having accrued quite a lot of crap over the years that's since been
hurled, I found some little gems amongst the high school and football year
books, not that they aren't gems in their own right. One thing that goes
without saying was that I had big hair in the 80's. But amongst them, I
found newspaper clippings, like the first spaceship to land on Mars, Skylab
(I can tell already Simon's going to pounce on this), the Falklands war and
the stockmarket crash of '87. There was also a lot of collected crap like
brochures and maps while on holidays. It was a veritable treasure trove of
memories, most of which I have problems relating to these days.
About the most amusing item was a 1980 electronics magazine, back in the
days where you could spend near $1,000 and build your own computer. If you
were really lucky, it had 8k of RAM. If you wanted a low density floppy
drive, you'd have to double the price. It almost makes me want to break out
my TRS-80 clone, which is still in working order.
The thing that went in the bin immediately was a list of life goals that
they made us write down the first year of high school. I'd be hard pressed
to say I'd achieved any of the goals of a naive teenager and I really don't
relate to the mindset I had back then. There's nothing wrong with having
goals in life, but ones which were so self-centered and money-grubbing are
too much to be reminded of. I'm just not driven in that way any more.
Speaking of being driven, just over a week ago I was driving home from my
mum's place and was getting petrol. A car pulled up at the pump next to me
and a guy got out and said, "How much for your car?" Not something I was
really expecting to hear.
My car is a 1981 Datsun Sunny. It's the coupe (Coops' Coupe). If you
recall, I replaced the engine 6 months ago and really, it is still in
excellent condition. It has all the original trim and still has all it's
own paint, unlike me.
Anyway, the guy gave it a solid looking over and asked me again how much.
After saying to him he could have it if he gave me ridiculous amounts of
money, I told him I wasn't selling considering all the work I'd had done on
it and that it could easily last me another 5 years at least. He gave me
his number and asked me to call him if I changed my mind.
The only other person I know who has this model car is my supervisor at
work and he won't part with his either. All mechanics that have seen my car
love it and it seems now it is a collector's item. In 3 years it will gain
classic car status and in another 8 it will be considered vintage. I'll
probably still be driving it then.
Way back when there was a discussion on the use of the word "fuck" in songs
and its effectiveness. Probably half of the albums I've bought over the
last ten years have this word gracing their lyric sheets. In the case of
Liz Phair, it's just about every song. Like swearing in society, it's lost
its shock value.
I liked Dalsh's thoughts on the subject back in digest 1799, especially
when in came to Pink Floyd's "Not Now John" and The Who's "Who Are You".
One use that was suggested to me was in The Clash's "Rock The Casbah" in
the chorus, but it's hard to tell and they could just as easily be singing
"rock", like the name says. I think my favourite use by Tori is in Northern
Lad, where it's not just cold, it's so fucking cold. About the only use of
the word I really like from the last few years is in Snake River
Conspiracy's "Vulcan".
Question. My mother asked me last week what genre of music Tori falls into.
I had no idea. The best I could do was pop, but even that isn't a fair
description of her music. Ideas?
War bit until end of post. Skip if you wish.
As Roxanne has largely asked twice, I'll respond to her post in #1800:
>1. Expelling Iraq from the UN
While it's probably called for, it's largely pointless as they hold no
power there.
>2. Passing a UN resolution that denys assistance to and even possibly
>threatening to expell those countries that come to the assistance of Iraq.
Iraq has been isolated since round one of the Gulf War, in that they are
only allowed to trade oil for food and medical supplies. Certainly, if any
country has been trading arms with them since, they deserve to get shafted.
It would be interesting to see who would fall then. Smart money would be on
one of the countries that has veto power.
>3. Passing embargos, stricter economic sanctions, and confiscating all
>goods being imported and exported through piracy.
Iraq has some of the harshest embargoes in the world against it already in
place, which only serves to hurt the Iraqi people, not the government.
>5. Confiscating personal and/or national assests and investments.
If you're talking about the Hussein family and those of high ranking
government and military officials, I'm with you on that.
>6. Bankrupting the country.
It virtually is already because of sanctions.
>Has anyone else been hearing about these women who want to go to Iraq
>and act as "human shields?" What the....?
You've got to give credit to these people that they are willing to die for
their cause, but we have to face it, they will die for their cause and it
will have all been for nought.
Brian
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:26:08 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Peace and Pretzels
Turns out I'm a coordinator for the vigil tonight at college. Me and
another girl, who's name is also Beth C. The Beth's are taking over the
world. You heard it hear first. ;)
So on Wednesday, I'm helping man a table at the student center. We'll be
handing out recipes for "Real Patriots eat Quiche" quiche (it's red, white
and blue!) and bags of "Freedom Pretzels" along with literature on the Peace
Movement. Now why pretzels you may ask? One person said, "Oh, you are
against the Germans! Pretzels and Beer!" No. I think the Germans and
French (along with the rest of the world) happen to be right.
A couple of years ago you may remember GW Bush was watching a football game
and choked on a pretzel. He passed out and gave himself a black eye falling
to the floor. So we'll hand out freedom pretzels with the suggestion to
send one to George. He's given our great country a black eye in the Eyes of
the World. Time to give him one.
The Pledge of Resistance
We believe that as people living
in the United States it is our
responsibility to resist the injustices
done by our government,
in our names
Not in our name
will you wage endless war
there can be no more deaths
no more transfusions
of blood for oil
Not in our name
will you invade countries
bomb civilians, kill more children
letting history take its course
over the graves of the nameless
Not in our name
will you erode the very freedoms
you have claimed to fight for
Not by our hands
will we supply weapons and funding
for the annihilation of families
on foreign soil
Not by our mouths
will we let fear silence us
Not by our hearts
will we allow whole peoples
or countries to be deemed evil
Not by our will
and Not in our name
We pledge resistance
We pledge alliance with those
who have come under attack
for voicing opposition to the war
or for their religion or ethnicity
We pledge to make common cause
with the people of the world
to bring about justice,
freedom and peace
Another world is possible
and we pledge to make it real.
www.notinourname.com
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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