RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1813

RDT Right Now #1813

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 03:59:16 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1813
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1813 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o if you like Strongbad... [ Violet <fluffy@annihilist.com> ] love, sex, marriage and pushy Jewish [ "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> ] big noses and cheap guitars [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ] birthdays and stuff. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Apologies... [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] bend it [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] you lookin' at me? [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] #1812 - matching the year Canada def [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ] Happy Easter! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] SO FUNNY! XD [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] tori quote of the day [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ] small tori sighting in 'zine article [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ] dallas star-telegram concert review [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ] Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:45:17 -0700 From: Violet <fluffy@annihilist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: if you like Strongbad... If you like Strongbad, check out Horse Mail: http://www.bigmixup.com/apps/horsehate/mail/ Violet xoxox -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:39:19 -0400 From: "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: love, sex, marriage and pushy Jewish grandmothers something Winterlion wrote actually made me think of something i've been wanting to post for a while. A friend of mine is going through a huge break up with her boyfriend of seven years (she's my age, which means she's been with him since she was 15). it's been pretty awful for her, more awful because it's not like he's been really evil to her or anything, he just wants marriage, a house and 2.4 kids, which she most definitely does not. and then her family is giving her all sorts of pressure, like why would you break up with someone like him, he treats you like a queen, you'll never find anything better, etc. I went to Passover dinner with her last night, and while she was brushing her teeth her grandmother cornered her in the bathroom and gave her the third degree about the break up. my point is, we were talking about the fact that this culture places such a huge importance on romantic love as the ultimate fullfillment, the end-all, be-all, if you don't have it, you're obviously miserable and lonely. this notion actually ties in a lot with the work i'm doing right now. i've been poring over wedding magazines and books and asking people their opinions on such things. and i've concluded that it's not just a cult of weddings (and less so, marriage) but a cult of romance, or at least the notion of what romance should be, the kind of romance in books and movies. as John (who is a very wise person) once pointed out to me, movies always end with the couple getting together. there's no portrayal of a stable, steady relationship as the hard work, which it is (as i'm finding out more and more). coming to my point - my friend and i had this conversation about love, and i basically made the above points, along with this: because romantic, sexual love is held above all, other kinds of love are devalued. people seem to forget these other kinds of love. I have another single friend who is constantly bemoaning the fact that "no one will ever love her", to which i point out that her parents love her, her friends love her, her sister loves her. i can't understand how the relationship between you and the people who gave birth to you could be any less intense than the person you share a bed with every night. not the same kind of love, of course. the love i have for my parents is vastly different than the love i have for my significant other which is vastly different for the love i have for my friends. and i can't believe that just because you don't have a long term, monogamous, committed relationship that something is inherently wrong with you. this is a stigma that applies especially to women, more so than men. if i can permit my inner feminist to emerge for a moment, maybe most people, on some level, can't stand the notion that maybe, just maybe, a woman is okay on her own, that she doesn't need a man to complete her, to make her happy. maybe she makes her own happiness. i think that bothers a lot of people. and, as one of my friends said to me recently, "I believe we're ultimately alone in the world. we're born alone, and we die alone." which not something i entirely agree with, but there is something to be said about depending only on yourself, because you are the only one you really have. *takes off her Jim Mathers hat* -bethany _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com "Life is more important than art. That's what makes art so important." (John Malpede) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:06:03 -0400 From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: big noses and cheap guitars Grzegorz said: > Its easy to refer to papers and articles and make crap statements. > I live in South Africa and Islam is spreading like fire here! I know a lot of people who say that all country music sounds alike. Certainly a lot of people say that all rap and hip hop music sound alike. A friend of mine once lumped Tori, Joni Mitchell, Alanis and The Indigo Girls together as "whiny chick music." On the other hand, people who listen to a lot of country music can go on and on about all kinds of different strains and trends and types of country music. The same for rap and hip-hop and different forms of dance music. During the late 1970s, many people used to lump all the new bands together as "punk," and generalize that none of the musicians could play their instruments, etc., but those of us who were on the scene could go on endlessly about "punk" vs. "new wave" vs. "no wave" vs. "garage bands" vs. "power pop" and all the subdivisions of the different categories (plus the "first wave" and "second wave" and "third wave"). If you're not Jewish, and you haven't studied Judaism (both its history and the current practices) it's easy to make statements like "all Jews are pro-Israel," or even "Judaism is a gutter religion." Religions tend to change over time, and under different conditions (religions adapt or die, just like plants and animals). The older a religion is, the more it will probably diverge, so that people in different parts of the world may read the same holy text but lead very different lives, including their religious observance. I had a friend a few years ago who was a Jewish scholar, and he said that, the more he learned about history, the more he learned that *everything* he'd been raised to believe that Jews had *always* done was a comparatively recent invention. Even Quakerism, a comparatively new religion, has splintered quite a bit. There are many Quaker meetings in this country which would disagree with pretty much everything I said in my recent post on the subject (they have ministers, structured services, hymns, and so on). As B/4, John -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:18:04 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: birthdays and stuff. Happy good Friday everybody! ^^ I'm waiting on a friend to call me when he can pick me up to take me out to see a local band so.. I'm gonna say happy birthday to people. I'll reply to the actual RDTRN's later. ^^ happy birthday (belated of course. ><) to: Ariella, Fabio, Winterlion, annnnnd DragonGrl! hope they were beautiful bdays. ^^ Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:45:02 -0400 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Apologies... Cal Thomas wrote an editorial where he said that all "anti-war" people should apologize for their stance. I'm Pro-Peace, not anti-war, but I'll offer up an apology. I apologize to the people of Iraq for blinding coming in and taking over without a clue of what to do after the statue fell. I apologize to the world for the destruction of 7000 years worth of precious artifacts, looted and destroyed before the eyes of US troops and journalists, without a single effort to stop it. I apologize for the sudden plunge into third world conditions for one of the most civilized societies on earth. I apologize for almost 2000 innocent civilians killed by US and UK troops (www.iraqbodycounts.net), and countless other needless military deaths. I apologize for the taking over of your country without your permission. Mostly, I apologize for not working harder to stop this travesty. What did we "win" in Iraq? More importantly, what have the poor, suffering people of Iraq won? What does it mean if we never find Saddam, dead or alive? What about all those weapons of mass destruction? If they are never found, does the UN get to sanction the US? Should we be subject to weapons inspections and regime change by an outside force? I don't trust this government when it saber rattles, for it tends to act without thinking. Therefore, my final apology: I'm sorry Syria, Iran, Jordan, Palestine, and all the other countries who are being threatened by the specter of "Pax Americana". Creating world peace by making the world like America isn't freedom. It's fascism, and I apologize that my country is acting in this way. Peace in our Lifetime, Beth I am PRO-PEACE. I support our troops. Let's bring them home- ALIVE and NOW (bac) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:37:56 -0700 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: bend it I saw bend it like beckham tonight. It's such a wonderful movie! I've been wanting to see it since march. It's about these two english girls who want to play soccer (football) but one of them is indian and her parents who are very traditional just want her to marry a nice Indian boy and cook. such a great movie! it has little funny moments in it and it just makes you want to be a british girl and play football all day! i love movies that make you wish you were totally different than who you are, they're so magical. anyway, movie recommendation from jessica. go, go, go, go now! -jessica fuck me good! suck me good! (you gotta hear the song to get the joke between holly and i) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:08:20 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: you lookin' at me? Brian said > I'd love to know the origin of "it's all good" > as an expression. Well, I don't know, but I'm just hoping that it's from somewhere other than New York City. If that phrase was originally created here, then (to paraphrase Patti Smith) they have indeed turned my city into Disneyland Northeast. Pardon me while I go shoulder some tourists into the gutter. As B/4, John -- ========================= "I don't know anything about poetry" (William Blake) ========================= -------------------- "this is a formula a master plot the issue is how best can we work on adventure determined legitimate questions about telling exactly where to put evermore urgency of action." -- from text 10/08/2002 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 04:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: #1812 - matching the year Canada defeated those annoying Yankee invaders hey one can celebrate ANY historical event if it was your own people right? :) Brian Cooper writes: > Why do Americans seem to love saying, "It's all good!" no idea. I think it's from some pop song actually. Could be an ad though - such as "I am Canadian" here in Canada. *g* I remember getting "No Worries" from some US/Aussie movie though. Seems to be a better answer in some ways. I like the idea of "de nada" "no worries" "it's all good" or the like as an answer to a thank you. Maybe I'm just weird :) Had another birthday party (a surprise one actually :). Different folks came. Actually it completely rocked - two of my wonderful naughty friends gave me themselves - one as my dog for the night the other as the serving wench (for everyone) and everyone was silly and had fun. (wasn't as naughty for the most part as it sounds :) I wonder what I'm gonna come up with in thanks for our hostess... hrm... folks - I reccommend having as many birthday parties as you can get away with. and onto a rant now. <RANT> to continue the comments on islam: Islam - originated in equal rights and still tends to follow this except for one backwards 18-th century cult. Too bad that cult has all of the press's attention... It's a beautiful religion in a lot of different ways. My own leanings are towards Sufi - whos devotees have written some of the most powerful love poetry in history, and who are responsible for more -funny- things than most *g*. The ugly things being attached to this are on par with the ugly things attached to Christianity. Just because some followers are nasty evil cultists (eg. KKK) doesn't mean the whole religion is like that. 'nuff said. Hate speach - no matter who is targetted - tends to offend me. And yes I know my own beliefs (Wicca) would not be considered acceptable in most conservative Islamic countries. I don't run into any trouble here and the community I live in is strongly Islamic. I've seen enough to see the beauty. hate has no beauty. neither does fear. </RANT> G'day, eh? :) - Winterlion ps: the tendency for a people to demonize their enemies is EXACTLY what I've been worried about. Hate leads to fear which leads to violence. And I don't want anymore violence around my home. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:29:27 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: ambie19@aol.com, candi4545@mcloudteleco.com, nothing@cobalty.com, torandnan@juno.com, sonicdissention@hotmail.com, deannamcarthur@hotmail.com, precious0147@hotmail.com, acrowd49@aol.com, chldhart@winco.net, jodihorner77@hotmail.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kwcraw2934@hotmail.com, kimplicity@hotmail.com, lekia_thurman@yahoo.com, mleonard55@cox.net, raffenspergerfletch@hotmail.com, swts4evr@hotmail.com, raspberryswirl54@cs.com, chelleball32@hotmail.com, mindyboo@sbcglobal.net, mjcentral@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, mo_ttt@yahoo.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, esn1g@earthlink.net, lyricallacquer@hotmail.com, royha@deepfrost.com, mjtriumph@earthlink.net, sparker1@pdq.net, imursunshi9@hotmail.com, elterje@tiscali.no Subject: Happy Easter! everybody, check this cute little url out: http://www.sendingfun.com/chocolatebunnies/ :) happy Easter! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:09:19 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: nothing@cobalty.com, sonicdissention@hotmail.com, jodihorner77@hotmail.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kimplicity@hotmail.com, mjcentral@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, lyricallacquer@hotmail.com, imursunshi9@hotmail.com Subject: SO FUNNY! XD http://members.aol.com/brandnew2u/adent.html <--- oh man. this page.. hahah.. so freaking hilarious! XD if you people haven't been to it before, GO THERE NOW! rofl, I'm not kidding! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:12:10 -0700 From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori quote of the day does anyone know the email address to get the tori quote of the day? I used to subscribe a few years back but I somehow managed to be removed from the list. anyway, thanks. -jessica fuck me good! suck me good! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:59:31 -0400 From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: small tori sighting in 'zine article stumbled across a small mention of tori in a los angeles times article about a 'zine exhibition at the orange county museum of art. the article is at <url: http://www.calendarlive.com/galleriesandmuseums/cl-wk-gallery24apr24,0,894814.st ory > here's the tori mention: Tori AMOS fans won't want to miss Choirgirl Powder. It's a tiny yellow book with a fuzzy face of Amos surrounded by metallic stick-on stars -- the kind little kids who do well on their homework get from the teacher -- on the cover. It's about the size of a pocket diary, which it pretty much turns into as the publisher-writer expounds on how she felt when she bought the single "Bliss." sounds like an interesting item -- anyone have a copy? woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:33:01 -0400 From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: dallas star-telegram concert review <url: http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/living/5705013.htm > Posted on Thu, Apr. 24, 2003 Amos' changing set has lovely surprises By Mark Lowry Star-Telegram Staff Writer GRAND PRAIRIE -There's an important rule to remember when planning to see Tori Amos in concert: She never performs identical shows in any two cities on a given tour. So an Internet search for previous set lists won't predict what she's going to do. On the tour for her newest album, the Sept. 11-inspired Scarlet's Walk, she usually opens with Wampum Prayer and A Sorta Fairytale, and closes her main set with the haunting I Can't See New York and Iieee. But the songs in between are anybody's guess. On Wednesday night at NextStage, she drew heavily from her 1992 album Under the Pink, performing Space Dog, God, Cornflake Girl and a lovely arrangement of Bells For Her. On last year's tour, she performed only with her piano. This time, she's using her band again -- bassist John Evans and percussionist Matt Chamberlain. This means that many arrangements are unidentifiable until the lyrics begin, as was the case with a funky performance of Crucify, in which the band played the verses, and she joined on piano for the chorus. Another Amos rule is that she always performs a few unexpected covers. She has been singing Fleetwood Mac's Landslide in concert for more than a decade, but it's still nice to hear. An overly emotional rendition of Dixie Land was simply bizarre, but her version of Harry Belafonte's Abraham, Martin and John was gorgeous. In short, it was like a sorta fairytale. Opening was Dallas' Rhett Miller, best-known as lead singer of alt-country heroes the Old 97's. Furiously strumming his guitar, he clung most to songs from his solo album The Instigator, but included a few 97's songs, including Indefinitely. After eight weeks of touring With Amos, his voice was still in tiptop shape. o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Asleep At The Wheel digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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