RDT Right Now #1824

From: Scotch <scotch@torithoughts.org>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:37:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RDT Right Now #1824
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now			Volume 03 : Issue #1824

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                                         Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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  Re: animal lube re: brain             [ Violet <fluffy@annihilist.com> ]
  RE: RDT Right Now #1823               [ Erika & Alan <alewis246@comcast.net ]
  harry potter                          [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
  Re: RDT Right Now #1823               [ "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hot ]
  okay I'm slow sometimes               [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ]
  Tori on CMT                           [ "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com> ]
  Burning question #3 and more          [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
  "Masturbate For Peace"                [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
  My current favorite Tori Cd :)        [ "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hot ]
  I'm just a jealous guy                [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
  please read and review                [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ]
  Lavender                              [ Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloak ]



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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:38:05 -0700
From: Violet <fluffy@annihilist.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: animal lube re: brain

Jessica wrote:
>this virgin wee caucausian...very good violet, that's the best so far.

I'd love to take the credit, but that was one of Scotch's.  He's been
babysitting the list for the past few weeks while I've been off on
vacation.  All subliminal thoughts with "$$$"s around them have been
his.  :)

Violet
xoxox

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:08:45 -0400
From: Erika & Alan <alewis246@comcast.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: RE: RDT Right Now #1823

>1st. Howie Day. I am KICKING myself for not seeing him on the first leg of
>Tori's tour. i instead got Rhett Miller at Radio City (oh the
>pain). Australia
>(his first album) - i can't stop listening to it. and i just got the The
>Madrigals EP a couple days ago. The music on it is amazing, but
>the best part
>is the accompanying DVD (if only Tori's could've been half as
>good). i didn't
>realize how he performed live, and i'm absolutely fascinated by the way he
>loops his vocals and guitar to create some sort of trippy trance
>techno out of
>this typical singer-songwriter guitar and vocal thing. i've never
>seen anyone
>do something like this, but perhaps the guitar geeks on this list
>can enlighten
>me otherwise?


I love me some Howie.  The kid is 22 and AMAZING live.  I had the pleasure
of seeing twice when he opened for Tori last year, and I was very
disappointed he wasn't continuing on with her.  He is however recording
another album, which I'm very excited about.  If anyone is really interested
in getting to know Howie's music, you have to get yourself some live stuff.
He allows taping and there is a huge amount of quality stuff out there.  I
have a lot a shows myself, so if anyone's interested mail me and I'll either
help out or let you know where you can d/l it.  Spreading the Howie love.
Wooooooo!

In other news, Gareth is walking, not quite talking, loves to play with DVD
player (Toy Story 2 is his current fav), loves his pets, and his new "little
people" boat with the animals.  There are some very cute (if I do say so
myself) pictures of him here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/alewis246/Webies/

Erika

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:24:54 -0700
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: harry potter

Until someone else tries to rip the position from under my feet, I designate 
myself as the main harry potter fan on this list. i wrote a big "HP!!" on my 
calendar for June 20th at midnight. in the next few days after june 20th i 
won't be talking to anyone, eating blindly and taking the fastest showers in 
existence just to finish the book. anything that gets that many kids to read 
works for me. plus, someone is supposed to die in the order of the phoenix. 
i should just go join a harry potter list...

woo. our house made the police beat twice today. sheesh. what a thing to be 
famous for.

-jessica



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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:10:42 +0000
From: "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1823

Thanks Bethey :)

I'm gonna try to post more often :)

So Saturday night my boy and I were coming home from the club, and I was 
kinda drunk and we were listening to Rattlesnakes, and I don't know if it 
was because I was drunk, but I was really getting into the song.  Tori's 
voice was just so beautiful and I heard tons of little things in the song 
that I missed before.  It's been one of my favorite Tori songs, but I think 
the other night bumped her up into like my top 3 favorites.  The other 2 
being Honey and Caught A Lite Sneeze :)

john k

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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca>
To: "RDT Right Now [yes yes :]" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: okay I'm slow sometimes

just a quick nod to Brian - I finally got the "Teunis of Peters" comment.
LOL
have to remember that next hot-tub party....

come to think of it I can think of lots of different fun ways to interpret
that.  Except I don't live in a place named "Peters"...  I suspect a
friend (Bhroanin) would get a laugh out of one of them...

ah well..

It's a slow monday.  So far.  And that's good :)

G'day, eh? :)
	- Winterlion

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:54:27 -0700
From: "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Tori on CMT

Maybe Mikewhy or the other EWF sites mentioned it, but Tori was on the Tim 
McGraw "Indian Outlaw" story.

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:39:34 +1000
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Burning question #3 and more

New burning question, which isn't the one I'd thought of before but it'll 
do. Is the practise of journaling (blogs, livejournal, etc.), killing this 
list and ones like it? Anyone that has been here for any great length of 
time will know how meagre the digests are these days. I also know that a 
lot of people here now write on-line journals.

For those that do have journals, are you spending more time on them now and 
less on e-mail? What is the main thing you like about having a journal as 
opposed to writing to a list? I know that communities are formed by people 
with journals in that their friends read them, then friends of friends and 
so on, which in its own way is a list. Is it better? Why?

In digest 1823, the slick Jessica suggested:
>it's funny. i've  noticed that when people are unhappy they bitch around 
>us, not TO us.

I think that's universal. The guys at work are always bitching about the 
other guys, but they never do it to anyone who can actually make a 
difference, which is either management or directly to the person in 
question. It's got to the point where everyone hates everyone else and all 
anyone ever does is bitch. I keep telling them to tell it to someone as I'm 
sick of hearing about this constant bitching but it's to no avail. I guess 
some people have to do something to pass the time.

Beth said:
>Brian, I have enjoyed seeing your comments these past couple of months on
>relationships, attraction, and so on. A lot of what you've said rings very 
>true for me and has given me a lot to think about.

I'm still trying to work out for myself what it's all about and it has been 
on my mind since the life altering moment I had on holidays last year. 
While I feel that my views are well balanced, at times I can't help but 
think I'm fundamentally wrong as I don't actually seem to do well at 
relationships. Maybe half the problem is I think about it too much. Which 
is why I'll say people are free to take on board my ideas but if it doesn't 
work for them, don't blame me, I'm seemingly clueless.

from Teunis:
>there's of course a lot more complications none of which I'll mention...
>other than we both have similar tastes in what we like in ladies too.
>Oh well that might as well be said - I'm mostly straight and she's mostly
>not...

On this one I do feel like I know what I'm talking about. Keep her as a 
friend but don't expect anything from her that she's not likely to give as 
you'll just be wasting your time.

Brian

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:01:15 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, MJFansReunion@yahoogroups.com,
   jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us
Subject: "Masturbate For Peace"

        here's something funny (and political ^^) to look at....

http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/

Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ --
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html
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cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a
sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:15:26 +0000
From: "John Kwiatkowski" <rattlespark@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: My current favorite Tori Cd :)

This is what I can't stop listening to.  I need to give it a name.  
Basically it's my favorite radio/tv performances from 1996.

1.  Abbey Road - Acoustic Cafe 96
2. OmLaBoomleigh (or whatever it's called) Acoustic Cafe 96
3. This Old Man w/Improv - Acoustic Cafe 96
4. For Mark - Modern Rock Live 2.5.96
5. Doughnut Song - MTV Studios 1.21.96
6. Horses - MTV Studios 1.21.96
7. Hey Jupiter - Saturday Night Live 1.20.96
8. Thunder Road - WDRE Studios 2.5.96
9. Putting The Damage On - MRL 2.5.96
10/11. Never Seen Blue/Sugar WNEW 2.5.96
12. Marianne - WNEW 2.5.96
13. Crucify (where she messes up and goes "Oh Norman I fucked it") KEWD 
2.6.96
14. Blood Roses (on piano) - WNEW 2.5.96
15. Here. In My Head - WXRT 2.1.96
16. Little Amsterdam - WHFS 2.11.96
17. Caught A Lite Sneeze (Tori bangs on the piano for the first 1/2) - WXRT 
2.1.96
18. It's Freezing Cold In The Studio Improv - Y100 Sonic Sessions
19. Somewhere Over The Rainbow - MTV Unplugged

I probably should have added Losing My Religion from Modern Rock Live as 
well.

And randomly, downloading Tori shows on bit torrent is damn addicting.

I got my China "I Can Feel The Distance" and UTP "But I Believe In Peace 
Bitch" Necklaces in the mail yesterday.

My ASF single that I got from ebay for a dollar should be here tomorrow :)

hope everyone is well,
john

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:17:43 +1000
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: I'm just a jealous guy

gaaahhhhh!!!!

Just when you think you've got a handle on the ins and outs of 
relationships, not one but two situations come along to completely shake up 
what you've been thinking.

The first situation was this morning as I was walking to work and I ran 
into a guy I used to go to school with and hadn't seen since the high 
school reunion nine years ago. Trying not to notice his disappearing 
hairline, I spoke to him for a couple of minutes. Since we last met, he's 
got married and has two kids, though I got the impression he's either 
separated or divorced now. I'll find that out in the future. What have I 
done in that time? A couple of relationships that didn't really go anywhere 
and a bit of travel. I've got no idea which of us has had it better and it 
makes me wonder about what life is like on the other side of the fence. I 
guess I'll have to wait for the full story.

One thing it did remind me of is that the 20 year high school reunion is 
next year and that should prove to be amusing for all the receding 
hairlines, extra weight and wrinkles. For the guys... ;-)  But I also know 
I'll be faced with exactly the same thoughts then as today.

Second situation was this afternoon where I'm being told a story by a 
co-worker. She bumped into a past co-worker and got a brief update on him. 
We both worked with him before and there was another woman who was a mutual 
friend who last thing I knew was dating him. What I really didn't want to 
know was they got married, as I could always live in denial thinking she'd 
still be available. Why? I always had the hots for this mutual friend and 
she knew it, but I had a chance and blew it. I really shouldn't let it 
bother me as the guy she married is a great guy and was a better match for 
her than I would ever have been, so I am truly happy for them and they were 
good friends but still.... it just hurts to know you could have had 
something but didn't get it.

To add insult to injury, there was a third party listening to this 
conversation and the storyteller knew how I felt about this woman and said, 
"A lot of guys wanted her", while looking at me. No matter how much I 
wanted to respond, I couldn't, not with an audience. She then went on to 
say, "It's amazing how many people at work get married."

The third party in this conversation is a woman who has been after my arse 
for two and a half years now. I actually think she's a very good woman in 
every way except that she doesn't have a brain. That is just a major turn 
off to me but I won't discourage her in case I one day decide to lower my 
standards. By the same token, I don't encourage her either. But armed with 
the talk of marriage, that started her off on a fresh round of hitting on me.

Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! I've got no idea what I believe any more.

One thing I do know is that you should never tell a person if it hadn't 
been for someone else, they would have married you. It's a fantastic way of 
crushing someone while keeping them hanging around in hope. I know this is 
true because I've been told this twice.

so are the days of our lives
Brian 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:11:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: please read and review

Hola mes amies,

I wrote a new poem tonight and I honestly think it's one of best ones to date.  Please, please review and tell me (honestly, please.  Remember the old saying, "Spare the Rod, Make the Writer Starve To Death On The Streets Because She Can't Sell Anything"...or something like that) what you think.  

Okay, here we go.



Title:  Wasting my Time



Treasure the pleasure of our wasted leisure

I had forgotten just how good it felt
to fuck it all, leave it be, let it hang out
Forget all the deadlines, forget all the bills
forget the insurance, the wages, the wills
The will...
I had lost mine long ago,
Back in a world where two feet of snow
was a miracle sent down from heaven above. 
It snowed and so then we could do what we loved;
we could play
we could be
we could say what we wanted
and never be hunted
for using our voices
and actually claim to have thoughts of our own.
The snow days were welcomed
when we could stay home
and forget all the hatred our peers had created
in classrooms where children were kept and sedated
and made to forget their beliefs and opinions.
To learn facts!
To take tests! 
To give up our choices
…Where we would be hated for using our voices.
And I had forgotten just how great it felt
to quit all my thinking and let it hang out;
all my thoughts
all my words
all the things that I knew
were stupid and pointless
and utterly new
and thus wonderful;
I had forgotten the bliss
of not having deadlines
of not being dead
with thousands of whispers
that buzzed in my head
saying, "do the work do the work do the work now!"
"you're stupid and lazy, a fat ugly cow!"
"and to prove yourself you must remember the truth"
"that everything that you believed in your youth"
"was wrong!"
Again and again, they'd repeat
that same little song,
with caution, discreet,
and I would be the only one who would hear it
and I would be the only one who would know it
and I alone would be the one who would bear it
Believing that all that they whispered had merit
A fool.
A bitch.
Too fat and too weird
to ever be loved
to ever be heard
to ever write down a single good word
that was worth the effort of those who would read it
They whispered, "forget it"
and I would agree
that ever believing that actually giving 
a piece of myself through my words and my writing
was not worth the risk…
I found myself hiding
within all my work and my deadlines and dues
missing my chances
ignoring my cues
and reminding myself, 
again and again, 
this somehow was worth it;
the hiding within,
that hating myself was a great sacrifice
that would make me loved, 
make me good
make me thin
I wanted to be the beloved of men,
A treasure worth hunting,
A treasure worth having,
And all of the whispering words started laughing.
I can remember how, years before now,
when the snow had kept falling
stalling the plow,
how suddenly the day would be opened wide
like a flower, a lover, 
the first burst of pride
after years of the classrooms
quelling our hearts
dissected like music and taken apart.
I can remember and I can pretend
to make it that way
to be that again
and treasure the pleasure of my wasted leisure
given to no one but myself alone,
whispers all muted
and work left undone,
the hate disappearing
the race still not won…
I had forgotten how good it could be
to leave all my labors
in favor 
of me.





So yes.  There's my poem, my epic.  Please read and review.  I've almost got enough poems to publish a book with (my goal's a hundred, I have 86 or so) and I need all the advice, reviews, etc that I can get.  Thanks!


How Now, Brown Cow? 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Teunis Peters <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca>
To: "RDT Right Now [yes yes :]" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Lavender

Lavender's blue (dilly dilly)
Lavender's green
When I shall be king (dilly dilly)
you shall be queen

anyone ever have that ring through their head?
and anyone know where it's from?

but I'll not say anymore
as I'm curious
what others out in the nevernever think...

G'day, eh? :)
	- Winterlion
...
am just starting to learn what it is to be not alone.
all my life has been the opposite
so alone
so far away....

whoever thought
there'd be answers...




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