RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1872

RDT Right Now #1872

From: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:12:12 -0800
Subject: RDT Right Now #1872
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1872 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o bummer... [ "Rochelle" <rochel@ix.netcom.com> ] Tear Down the Wall...Tear Down the W [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] preguntas [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] indies [ "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> ] Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:27:54 -0700 From: "Rochelle" <rochel@ix.netcom.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: bummer... my 2 cents worth... Wow, it really bums me out to hear that the new Tori release will be a set of 'reworks' of her previous releases and b-sides. I was pretty happy when I first heard about it - I thought it'd be nice to have a lot of the older stuff in one release. The idea of Tori remaking things makes me a little bit nervous. Certainly, it's her music to do with as she wishes but her musical skill and judgement in the past few years has been IMHO, questionable (see "Strange Little Girls" in general, esp. 'Heart of Gold'). Releasing a set like this with some rehashed old stuff and a couple of token new songs, along with a little DVD thrown in to bump the price up seems to be pretty typical with the Tori releases starting with UTP. I used to seriously collect the Tori CD singles until I realized that they were all remixes of the same songs, with maybe some different cover art thrown in to give it the appearance of being something new. Honestly, I had 3 or 4 different CD singles, all sold as being unique, that when you compared them, had 1 song difference between them. I felt (feel) that this was exploitative of her fans who were trying to collect as much of her music as possible, just because they loved her. Eh, I think that I probably have outgrown Tori, or, she has outgrown me, not sure which. Between all of the 'I'm a mommy now, there is no other purpose in life', the crass commercialism of her past several releases, the movement away from her piano skills to pretty typical band-based music, the Prada diaper bags, the forced quirkiness that her once-endearing personality has turned into, etc. etc., I'm finding it harder and harder to find something/anything in there that speaks to my heart anymore. It just makes me sad. cheers- Rochelle -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:34:06 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Tear Down the Wall...Tear Down the Wall... Dalsh said: >>The David Gilmour in concert is far better as is Roger's "In the Flesh" DVD. "The Wall in Berlin" was not worth the money whatsoever. Van Morrison is painful to listen to, and the special guests distracting (although "The Trial" was kickass with Ute Lemper (who is THE Weill/Brecht singer) and Tim Curry. And it's not Pink Floyd.<< I'm not a huge Pink Floyd fan. I'm just now discovering the magic of their music. So "The Wall in Berlin" is absolutely amazing to me. I love Van's take on "Comfortably Numb", Cyndi is unbelievable doing "Another Brick in the Wall", the whole trial sequence is fricken amazing. And the kicker is when they tear down the wall. I get tears in my eyes everytime I watch it. It is as powerful as the footage from only a year before, when they tore down the Berlin Wall. And Three Hundred Thousand People in the audience is awe inspiring. I really love this DVD. The first time I played it (my first DVD experience), my jaw gaped open and all I could think was "where the hell have I been?" to have missed the outrageous sound quality available in this medium. I also got "Woodstock--The Director's Cut", but I haven't watched it yet. I've been busy writing a paper that compares Zazen (a form of Zen Meditation) to Eric Erickson's eight developmental stages of human growth. It is totally mind-bending. Hope you all Vote on Tuesday (or that you did vote if this comes out later). It's not only a right...it's an obligation. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: preguntas Ah, so Bethany's big question: >>how do percieve most music that you listen to? music first or lyrics first or both at the same time? does it vary from artist to artists? if you hate the lyrics, but like the music, can you look past that and still like the song (and vice versa)?<< Very cool question.... this is something that I've thought about on a very intangible level as I've listened to a song for the first or second time, but I've never really tried to put those thoughts into words. Under most circumstances, I think it's the the music itself that grabs me first-- usually the way everything flows together moreso than just focusing on a specific guitar solo or the artist's voice. My favorite songs tend to convey a lot of emotion, so if the music and (if there are lyrics) the voice and the words all blend together to evoke something powerful, I'll be hooked instantly. A fairly good example of this is Seven Nation Army, by the White Stripes. I was totally obsessed with that song from the second that I heard it. The combination of that beat, the guitars, and that cool scratchy voice had me totally hypnotized, so that all I could think was, "This song is SO fucking great!" It wasn't about the lyrics at first, even though certain lines really popped out at me ("And I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding right before the lord; All the words are gonna bleed from me and I will think no more"). That's the way that I suppose I became hooked on Tori-- the synergy of her voice and the music was so powerful, and individual lyrics would stand out and I'd feel incredibly connected to them. After I listen to a song more, it will become increasingly about the lyrics. If I hate the lyrics but like the music, the song will probably get its 15 minutes of fame in my brain, and then I'll tire of it. On the other hand, if I really connect to the lyrics but the music is just blah (and I give the song a chance rather than just turning it off anytime it comes on), then I can really come to love it. I think this is why I'm such a hardcore Matchbox Twenty fan. They're not that impressive musically, but I'm crazy about their lyrics. And Rob Thomas is hot. It may not be the crucial factor to why I like MB20, but it doesn't hurt. Which brings another question to mind: Do a musician's looks matter? I know it's nice to think that we'd all love Tori just as much even if she wasn't a sexy little redhead, but, um, I'll be the first to admit that I *love* having a poster of her on my wall. The morning sun streaming in and casting a soft light on her beautiful face... mmmm. :) So, while I'm not asking whether it's the sole purpose for whether you like a musician, do looks still count for something? ~Linda~ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:03:36 -0500 From: "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: indies Cyndi sed: "yes, and maybe Tori should dump the major labels altogether and go indie.. d'ya think it'd work? I'd like to see her do that if it means more promotion--HER WAY." don't know where, but i seem to recall that right after Tori signed to Epic she released something explaining why she didn't choose to go with an independent label. I don't remember what she said (i'd love if someone could find a link to this, coz i don't have the time right now), but i imagine it probably has something to do with Tori just being too big of an artist. Independent labels are great, and I think everyone should support them as much as possible (especially in light of this whole RIAA thing), but the simple fact is most of them just don't have the capital to promote an artist like Tori. Everything from recording an album, to promoting it, then touring - i'm sure it costs a bundle (actually, does a record label pay for all this? i assumed but i don't actually know). that's why, in my experience, most of the independently signed artists I get into I hear about via word of mouth, not necessarily from a media outlet. i just really hate how Tori's being promoted by Epic. The suits seem to think we're all a bunch of screaming 13 year old girls. I would like to think that Tori had a hand in the DVD, in the website, in the (makes me want to tear my hair out) mailing list, but i'm increasingly thinking she doesn't because, well, she's smarter than that. and after all, she's a musician. she'd probably rather be writing and performing than deal with all the extra stuff. huh....that John guy uses the word absolutely a lot, doesn't he? what a weirdo. and he seems to agree with everything i say, which is highly suspicious. hmm....i better start screening my calls. -bethany ps. i'm obsessed with The Joshua Tree. 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