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Date:
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1876
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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procrastination implementation. [ Kerri R Klein <kklein21@student.sca ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1875 [ Pla01@aol.com ]
it's gonna kill when you desert me [ "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
ye olde media stereotypes [ "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
now, dig the who [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
independant tori interview [ fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1875 [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ]
new zealand sunday star-times toal a [ ein kleines kinnemuzak <woj@smoe.or ]
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:01:21 -0500
From: Kerri R Klein <kklein21@student.scad.edu>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: procrastination implementation.
i'm supposed to be writing a paper.
eh.
so...
thanks to all of you who sent me birthday dealies,
i enjoyed the post card that sang and the little notes
of goodness.
i've got a few words to say.
where has tori gone?
she's taken something with her.
some things are melting now.
she seems jaded, a cubic zirconium carbon copy of herself.
i no longer feel a connection with her music, she's distant
from the listener, there's a wall that's up from too much
exposure, perhaps,
maybe we've burned her out.
we are a needy bunch.
gimmegimmegimme.
it seems as if today she's just a corporate entity
with a following and a chauffeur and a nice pair of shoes.
there is no love.
i am not feelin' it.
the tides have turned.
i have already mourned. i am moving on,
our affair is pretty much the quits,
(has been for some time...i was just holding on)
but i'll be looking back on things,
with good thoughts, from time to time.
maybe i'm disappointed because i created an impossible
idea o
f this person in my head, one that never existed.
perhaps she's always been a bitchy self-obsessed
enbittered woman with a torch. or a sword.
but i don't think so.
i think there was a time when she gave us something,
and we ran with it, and we sucked it in,
and now the air has gone stale and the train station is
abandoned and
no one's coming back home.
yeah.
so that's kind of how i feel about tori amos.
when she lost her ability to shock us, to move us,
to change our lives with one note, one scream, one
exclamation of imaginary sex with jesus,
she lost her edge.
she IS like eminem in that way.
she is an artist who has fed off of emotional
conversation with the audience.
she's stopped talking.
gone mute.
therefore, her music sounds deaf to me,
uninspired, drivelous, monotone.
ok i think i'm done now.
stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
kerri renee...
(hard to believe i've been here seven years.
no wonder i have an itch.)
thoughts???
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:22:12 -0500
From: Pla01@aol.com
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org (RDT Right Now)
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1875
>>Actually, Tori herself blocked the release of the 92-98 collection on DVD,
but didn't go into specifics as to why. But she knows that people want it
out. It's been brought up to her at the meet and greets. Not sure about
interviews, though... she is going to be out promoting, so now is the time
to bug her about it.<<
WOW... I had no idea that Tori Herself "Blocked" the release of the DVD
Compilation..
Given that I have an Entry Level High End "STEREO" system.. the surround
sound thing is not of great importance to me..
But given how many people are buying 5 Channel systems... I figure she want
to cater to BOTH those people and "Stereophiles" like myself... (All the
Surround DVD's I have have back compatable to Stereo)
Would still love to have nice copies of the "Missing" videos from the old
Atlantic VHS compilation..
(I was even able to dig up some "Unrelased" videos)
My next purchase is going to be a DVD-R Recorder... so I will just have to
make my own Tori Amos DVD Comp until the real thing comes out... (If it
EVER does)
Was SHOCKED to see the DEVO DVD Music video Compilation ACTUALLY COME OUT
TODAY... I am SIKED!!
Peter
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:36:04 -0500
From: "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: it's gonna kill when you desert me
see, i KNEW Sweet Dreams was about Bush the first. i said it to John like
months ago but never wrote about my thoughts here. ask him, i swear.
oh well, it's probably been discussed here before and i just missed it.
Jessica axed:
"ok, question for these rainy dreary november nights...what is your favorite
song right now that you can't get enough of....and NOT sung by tori?"
and i quote:
and i don't wanna be a no man anymore
it's been a year or two since i've been out on the floor
shakin booty making sweet love all the night
it's time i got back to the good life
it's time i got back it's time i got back it's time i got back to the good
life
i'm totally obsessed with Pinkerton, by Weezer. i think it pretty well
encapsulates my life right now. i desperately, desperately, DESPERATELY need
to be a normal person now that i am almost done with college. i need to sit
on my couch and watch trashy tv and knit and not feel guilty. i need to see
my friends on a regular basis. i need to go visit my grandparents in
Florida. etc, etc.
Paris and Nickie Hilton: fucking sluts.
acutally, strike that.
fucking rich sluts.
with that, she was gone
bethany
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a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com
she runs through the streets / with her eyes painted red
under black belly of cloud in the rain / in through a doorway she brings me
White gold and pearls stolen from the sea / she is raging she is raging
And the storm blows up in her eyes / she will suffer the needle chill
she's running to stand still (U2)
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:43:29 -0500
From: "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: ye olde media stereotypes
Brian axed:
"While you
can find unattractive men in the world of music, in this day and age it's
nigh on impossible to find unattractive women. They had listeners call in
with examples of current women in music, but none of the names suggested
made you want to reach for a paper bag and while they weren't necessarily
good looking to some, they are to others. So I guess the question is, are
there any truly unattractive women in music?"
for that matter, are there any unattractive women in the entertainment
industry, period? i defy you to find one.
i actually came across a Gap ad in a magazine a couple days ago that had a
close up of Lauren Hutton in it, crows feet and all. it made me really
happy.
still, there is something wrong when any number of balding, fat, wrinkled,
gray-haired men can be successful in the entertainment industry, and there
aren't the women counterparts. no wonder we're all so afraid of aging. it's
because it's practically invisible in this culture.
*takes off mad feminist socialist hat*
-bethany
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a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com
she runs through the streets / with her eyes painted red
under black belly of cloud in the rain / in through a doorway she brings me
White gold and pearls stolen from the sea / she is raging she is raging
And the storm blows up in her eyes / she will suffer the needle chill
she's running to stand still (U2)
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:19:38 -0500
From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: now, dig the who
Dalsh said:
> artists never really take breaks, creating new stuff is always
> in the back of their heads
Frank Zappa said that he took one vacation in his adult life, and he sat
on the beach for a week and wrote music in his head. He said it was a lot
more convenient to write the music at home, where he had all his equipment
and so on.
Jessica asked:
> what is your favorite song right now that you can't get enough of....
> and NOT sung by tori?
Mostly I've got the soundtrack for "Kill Bill" going through my head these
days.
Other than that, it's "A Quick One" by the Who, because I just bought the
DVD of "THe Kids Are Alright," which restores the complete version of that
song, the first half of which vanished mysteriously between when the movie
was in theaters and when it got to video (I've still never heard an
explanation of that).
As B/4,
John
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:57:06 -0500
From: fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: independant tori interview
<url:
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/interviews/story.jsp?story=465663 >
Tori Amos: Fairy-tale endings
Personal torment once inspired Tori Amos. Not any more, she tells James
McNair
21 November 2003
As you might expect, Tori Amos is sorted for real estate. She owns a
Georgian pad in County Cork, and a beach house near Miami. Today,
though, we are at her 19th-century cottage near Bude, in north
Cornwall, dining at the kitchen table. The cottage overlooks Amos's
studio complex and her English recording- engineer husband, Mark
Hawley, is here too.
It is almost 12 years since the North Carolina-born singer and pianist
released her debut album, Little Earthquakes. In 1994, she helped
establish the rape and incest charity Rainn, and in 1997, Armand Van
Helden's chart-topping remix of "Professional Widow" helped reinvent
her briefly as a dance artist. More recently, Amos's 2002 album,
Scarlet's Walk, yielded "A Sorta Fairytale", her biggest US hit. She
has just released Tales Of A Librarian, a best-of-and-bonuses
collection she describes as her "sonic autobiography".
"My whole life with songs has been about chronicling time," Amos says.
"I would write a piece of music so that, six months later, when
everybody had forgotten about, say, our glossing over of that
embarrassing incident at church [Amos's father is a Methodist
Minister], I could remember what actually happened."
Amos and Hawley have worked hard to ensure that Tales Of A Librarian
has real life and spark. Featuring two new songs, and reworkings of the
rare B-sides "Mary" and "Sweet Dreams", the collection also finds Amos
revisiting classic tracks from her career. These new versions of
familiar gems emphasise different aspects of the original mixes,
restoring "lost" backing vocals and instrumental overdubs.
With lunch over, Amos suggests a snug, downstairs room for the
interview proper. How had it felt, then, to listen back to her younger
self singing songs such as "Crucified" and "Me and a Gun"?
"Mostly, I really enjoyed revisiting the songs. But 'Me and a Gun' [the
Little Earthquakes track which documents Amos's real-life rape] was the
one where, once we'd checked the multi-track, I wanted Mark to deal
with it alone. At the mastering stage, I lit a candle as I always do,
and I heard her voice and she touched my heart. When I'd made my peace
with it, I said, 'OK, I'm gonna go now.' I've worked very hard to move
on from that song so that I'm not a victim of it.
"With 'Crucified'", Amos continues, "it was completely the reverse. I
could enjoy being with the girl who sang that; enjoy hearing her piss
and vinegar as she took on the patriarchy. My approach now is very
different to how it was then, though. If you're angry at 40, it's not
attractive. But being angry and writing a song like 'Crucified' when
you're 26 - well there's something sort of delicious about that."
The new Amos song, "Angels", might please the George Bush-baiting
author and film-maker Michael Moore. Still, the song's lyric takes some
deciphering. When I confess bewilderment, Amos explains that the angels
she sings of represent the votes "lost" in Florida during the last
presidential election. "It's getting better by the day, but it's been a
tough two years", she adds.
"I think about the war in Iraq, too, and the depressing fact that we're
still in it", Amos continues. "If you try and speak out in America,
people say you're not supporting the country, but it's the
administration you're not supporting. It's funny, because Christians
talk about people being possessed, but they're attempting to possess
the voice of the land. So 'Angels' is partly about the 'lost' votes,
and partly about a mass of people who could not see that they had the
strength to stand up to everything that followed."
As our interview winds down, I confess that I have been tipped-off
about Amos's alter-ego, Mrs Paris. This, she confirms with a giggle, is
the old lady she pretends to be while teaching her three-year-old
daughter, Natashya, the piano. So, is there a special outfit? "No, it's
more of an imagination thing," she laughs. "Besides, it was the only
way I could get 'Tash to take lessons from me."
'Tales of a Librarian' is out now on Eastwest
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:10:01 +1100
From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1875
Coops typed:
> good looking to some, they are to others. So I guess the question is, are
> there any truly unattractive women in music?
Are there any unattractive women in the media? I know that has been
discussed here before, but I think the former is linked with the later. And
off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone...
revelling in the TT:EE. Talk about singing in the rain...
X
Lavs
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:27:16 -0500
From: ein kleines kinnemuzak <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: new zealand sunday star-times toal article
<url: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2735833a1860,00.html >
Welcome to the Tori party
23 November 2003
Her lyrics are impenetrable, her conversation not much different. But
there's no denying the earnest charm of Tori Amos, says Grant Smithies.
He's a very strange fish, this Tori Amos. Not eccentric, not quirky, but
downright weird. To talk to her is to arrive at a dinner party where
everyone else is stoned. Words flow freely but they're not nearly as witty
or profound as the speaker thinks they are.
Cynics say the same thing about her lyrics, especially those on her less
lucid recent records, but this North Carolina preacher's daughter sells her
piano-driven albums in their millions so they must be making sense to
someone. Or maybe not. There is something strangely attractive about the
mere sound of her better songs. And she is surely brave.
Amos spills her guts, bleeds on your carpet. She has written songs about
her own rape, her two miscarriages, her violent relationships, a close
friend's suicide, songs condemning Christianity, and songs highlighting the
hypocrisy of American foreign policy during a time when so many other
singers were biting their tongues.
She's also covered some challenging songs by other people, most notably
Eminem's "Bonnie and Clyde", a censor-baiting hip-hop ballad in which the
bottle-blonde rapper drives to the wharf with his infant daughter, ranting
about how he's killed her mother and is going to throw her bloodied corpse
into the sea. Amos re-imagines the song from the viewpoint of the woman
dying in the car's boot.
When discussing her work she assumes you are familiar with every song,
every line, but for someone so lost in herself, so completely immersed in
her own work and its meaning, she is very likeable.
The piano, she tells me, is like one of her limbs. She started playing soon
after she could walk and won a scholarship to the Peabody Conservatory in
Baltimore at age five. There she learned classical music by day and
nurtured a burgeoning infatuation with rock'n'roll by night, playing along
to Led Zeppelin records when she was supposed to be practising Bach. Amos
moved to Los Angeles in her late teens, made a hideous pop-metal album
called Y Kant Tori Read for Atlantic in 1988 and, when it failed miserably,
drastically reworked her sound, marrying the forthright melodies and (in
the beginning) poetically honest lyrics of early Joni Mitchell with the
ethereal vocals and impassioned prog-rock piano pummelling of Kate Bush.
Next thing you know, 1992 album Little Earthquakes and its 1994 follow-up
Under the Pink were on the "must buy" list of sensitive souls everywhere
and Amos was on her way to becoming the multi-million selling, multi-home
owning (plush home studio in Cornwall, beach house in Florida, Georgian
manor in Ireland) jet-setting feminist rock star she is today.
Now she's about to release her first ever "best of" album, Tales of a
Librarian, rendered indispensable to completists with the inclusion of two
new tracks, some "reconditioned versions" of earlier work and an additional
DVD of live tracks.
"It's a sonic autobiography," says Amos from the Cornwall studio, her
speaking voice deep and syrupy in striking contrast to the high coo of her
singing. "It came about after some friends and I were discussing how we
would have loved to have had a female account of Rome's final days, from
the fall of the Roman empire 2000 years ago. I'd really like to have heard
what a female songwriter might have written if they'd chronicled that time,
that society, those people's thoughts from a woman's point of view.
"I started thinking, well, I could do that, as an American woman during a
time when many feel America has passed its zenith and fallen so low that
those who challenge our political leaders are being vilified as betrayers
of our country. And so I chose songs that go back to her as an infant, born
in the year JFK was shot, the daughter of a minister and a part-Cherokee
woman, and followed her life from there."
The "her" in question is, of course, Amos speaking of herself in the third
person. Very disconcerting. "I took songs down from the shelves like books
from a library," Amos continues. "I wanted to choose songs that would
examine different periods in her life without covering the same ground as
each other. Which is harder than you think, especially with songs about
relationships. Even if a song concerns a different man, it's often the same
ground being covered all over again." She laughs at this, a deep velvety
chuckle.
Before her marriage to sound engineer Mark Hawley in 1998, Amos wrote so
many songs about bad relationships you could be excused for thinking she
was a masochist. "Some of the men in my songs are exasperating assholes,
for sure, but some of the women aren't so great either. The song OCornflake
Girl' is about being betrayed by a friend, and OProfessional Widow' is
about that same friend going over the edge, reaching that emotional vampire
stage, becoming a predator.
"I'm really interested in how the world affects women, how women who're
brought up in the Christian church are forced to choose between the two
Marys, the virgin or the whore."
Amos once had a tour T-shirt made for her emblazoned with "Recovering
Christian", copies of which have since become de rigueur for fans.
"Well, religion has a huge hold on the American psyche. You can't write
about America without writing about religion and the kind of mythological
archetypes it has put in place for people. I write about women who have
survived against that background. If you were to hear this Librarian record
in 100 years you'd know this woman is a provider, she is a lioness, a
hunter for the tribe. She's not dependent on a man in that way, but she is
dependent in other ways. She has fantasies about them. She's deliciously
attracted to them, to that dark prince archetype, or if not the dark prince
then to all manner of male baby demons."
Amos lifts off into deep space at this point, leaving a trail of perplexing
verbiage. She lists what she calls the "predominant male archetypes" and
illustrates their qualities with lines from a dozen songs. Characters
hatch, mate, dissolve, morph into one another. The dark prince, it turns
out, is a disguise worn by a white-suited woman who drives an icecream
truck. Betcha never saw that coming.
"You know, music came to me when I was very little, around two-and-a-half,"
she says.
"It's my first language, something I tap into that has always existed and
always will exist. My job is just to connect people to the songs. I'm like
a bridge."
* Tales of a Librarian is on sale from Friday. The Sunday Star-Times has 10
copies to give away. To enter, write your name, address and phone number on
the back of an envelope and send to: Sunday Star-Times Tori Amos Giveaway,
PO Box 1074 Auckland, to reach us by Thursday.
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