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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 04 : Issue #1907
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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music in my mind [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
Re: no value added [ Mark Alexander <alexander750@earthl ]
Free boots [ jearle <jearle@mail.ku.edu> ]
in five minutes [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 05:35:06 -0400
From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: music in my mind
Megan C.A. said:
> So, does anyone know any GOOD free email providers? You know, cool ones?
> Ones that DON'T download viruses onto your computer every 5 seconds?
I've been using operamail (www.operamail.com) for a long time. Very good
free
service, and the paid service (I forget how much it costs, but it's not
much)
is even better. Give it a try. It was created for users of the Opera
browser (like me), but it works with any browser. I used to use it all the
time at work, before they started to block it (these days, we can't access
any web email, or livejournal, or sites for sending text messages to
phones).
Thanks to Violet and Beth for the responses to the "smoke to cry" line,
and I still think that the release (in place of crying) is much more
likely to come from alcohol. If anything, a cigarette gives a lot of
people a way to calm down (and these days an excuse to go outside, at
least around here) and *not* to cry.
I still like my explanation best (that she realized the rest of the song
made too much sense). As James Joyce said, if you want to be immortal,
be very difficult to figure out (well, he didn't say it that way, but
that was the point).
Anyway, I've made up a CD of the "Scarlet's Hidden Treasures" songs, mixed
with my favorite songs from "Scarlet's Walk" and it's a good listen, and
it reinforces my feeling that "Scarlet's Walk" is way overproduced. The
SHT songs are much more lean (though not particularly mean).
I went back and listened to some of "Choirgirl" and the songs there have
a lot going on, but if you listen to each individual instrument, it's there
for a reason, it accomplishes something. On "Scarlet's Walk" a lot of
what's
there seems just to be there to smooth things out.
The other thing I've been thinking is that, much as I like it when the
rhythm section makes an appearance, I still have a strong feeling that
this particular rhythm section isn't adding as much as they could.
I've been imagining what Tori would sound like with a really great
rhythm section. Tori with Sly & Robbie, or with Rick Danko and Levon
Helm. It's fun to see what that sounds like in my head.
I'm sure Matt and John play what's in Tori's head, but the best thing a
rhythm section can do for you is to play things that *aren't* in your
head, to show you things in the songs that you didn't see when you wrote
them.
As B/4,
John
P.S. Maybe she could get Wetton and Bruford.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:26:06 -0500
From: Mark Alexander <alexander750@earthlink.net>
To: "that redhead with the piano" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: no value added
In RDTRN 1906, Brian Cooper wrote:
> It is fair to blame the end of the single income family on housing
> prices,
> but some of the blame can also be attributed to some people trying to
> live
> beyond their means. I won't crucify anyone for wanting something
> better in
> life, but when families with two incomes have a massive mortgage and
> huge
> credit card debts have to count every cent, while living in an
> expensive
> area and driving a luxury car/s complain about having no money, I have
> no
> sympathy whatsoever. They are the ones that chose their lifestyle of
> debt.
<rant>
I'll agree with you about yuppies, but...
What about families with two incomes (and often four, five, or even
more jobs between them) who have huge credit card bills and must count
every cent, while living in shabby, overpriced rentals, deathtrap
trailers (especially so here in tornado country) or shoddy tract
"mansions," driving gas-guzzling rust buckets, and not daring to get
sick ('here I go again,' to borrow one of Reagan's set phrases),
complain about not having enough?
The problem is often not one of "choice." Would you rather go
homeless, or would you rather turn over your paycheck to your landlord
or mortgage holder? Would you rather starve and go naked, or would you
rather borrow the money to obtain food and clothing at 25% interest,
with no hope of ever paying the money back? Would you rather walk (or
bicycle!) 50+ kilometers to work, or would you rather drive a 15 year
old SUV or minivan with a thirsty V8, and keep paying to fuel and
maintain it? (Most of the fuel-efficient cars of the late 70s and early
80s have long since departed for the junkyards; a new Prius or Civic
Hybrid at $22,000 is an impossible dream if you're in such a state,
unless perchance you should win one in a sweepstakes--assuming you can
pay the taxes. And, except in a few large cities, mass transit often
consists of a couple of filthy, rickety buses on absurd schedules, if
you're lucky and there's no snow or ice.) Such are the "choices" of the
fastest growing demographic of Americans: the working poor, the
flippers of burgers, pluckers of chickens, stockers of retail shelves
and shufflers of paper that form the base of our local economy, the
jobs that have not or cannot be outsourced to China or India.
I have been told that even our soldiers and sailors and airmen, drawn
from the ranks of these same working poor and risking their lives daily
in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere for questionable, sometimes
diabolic causes, are being advised by their commanders to seek charity
for their families if their military pay--fallen behind even our
piddling inflation rate, and now on the budgetary chopping block--is
not sufficient. What is amazing is that they don't desert, or even turn
traitor, in greater numbers than they do.
I can only be glad that my own military service was years ago, during
the endgame of the Cold War, and that I saw no action.
And don't even get me started on advertising, that which convinces us
we must pay and pay and pay to have the latest greatest shiniest newest
whiz-bang whatever and damn the consequences, or we'll be less of an
American, less of a (wo)man, perhaps less than human. Which is probably
why even the rich feel poor from time to time.
Even those who don't watch Fox News.
</rant>
History is relative. By the standards of my childhood (which I now
know were largely a Disney "Tomorrowland" fantasy), we appear to be on
a downward spiral, "marking time to the End." By the standards of, say,
the Founding Fathers, we might appear to be facing "momentary
difficulties." And doubtless by the standards of Renaissance Europe or
Ming China, this is utopia, or as close an approximation as we humans
can manage.
From a distance, you see the signal.
Close up, you see the noise.
I am lucky, for the moment. I have no one but myself (and two cats) to
support. My rent, while high, is not excessive. My car is paid for,
reasonably efficient, and in remarkably good shape for such high
mileage and rough service, and I can walk to work at need. (The tranny
was OK.) I am not sick, yet. And I have no debt, save for some old
student loans which are well on their way to being paid off.
Hey, I even have HDTV--sort of--and recently upgraded both my
computers: one an aging-but-still-reasonably-current Mac, which gets a
G4 CPU upgrade, and the other an antique PC rescued from the dumpster,
which adds a Voodoo2 card from the local computer junk shop to complete
a truly bizarre lash-up of cast-off storage devices, RAM from dusty
back-room bins, expansion cards from half a dozen different garage
sales, and other peripherals and software scrounged from wherever. Its
sound system is a 25 year old J.C. Penney receiver and a pair of
homemade speakers, and its monitor came from our old POS system and has
burn-in from hell (you can still see the words "extra cheese,
pepperoni, onion, green pepper..." at top right). Every slot is now
full and there are no more IRQs or DMAs left, and I will be surprised
if the power supply doesn't have a meltdown.
(No, I can't do SLI. No open slots, therefore no second Voodoo. But 35
FPS from a wheezing old Pentium 166 is nothing to sneeze at.) :-P
Yet even I stand just a paycheck, an accident, or a nasty illness away
from disaster. Summer is a lean time around here; this is a college
town and perhaps half our customers are students, so no students means
little business.
But it beats getting shot at by mujahedin.
Estraven.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:27:05 -0500
From: jearle <jearle@mail.ku.edu>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Free boots
Hi all. My name is Josiah. :) I'm freeing up some space in my collection and
figured I would be able to find some people here who might want some free
boots. I've got...
8-29-99 Saratoga Springs
9-22-96 Green Bay
7-18-98 Ames, Iowa
Fall Press Kit '02
Under the Covers With Tori
They are free if you are willing to send me self addressed/stamped packaging.
Please e-mail me if you have any questions. You can find set lists for the
concerts at toriset.org. They're all 2 CD's except Saratoga and Under the
Covers. They go to whoever e-mails first.
Josiah
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:50:27 -0400
From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: in five minutes
Brian said:
> One thing I remember vividly about Reagan's time was when he was doing a
> sound check and said, "We start bombing the Soviets in five minutes."
A famous "off the cuff" remark which was probably planned. He was sending
a message that he was serious.
> I can remember the fear that surrounded the world at that time and the
> threat of nuclear holocaust.
Far more frightening than terrorism. It's the difference between what
happened in NYC in 2001 and what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in
1945. No comparison.
> And there's still a certain scene in Terminator 2 I can't watch to this
> day.
The thing I can't watch, as I've mentioned before, is the 9/11 footage, the
planes hitting the towers. I've only seen that footage once since the
day itself, and that was in "Bowling for Columbine." Even then I wanted
to look away.
I just saw "Farenheit 9/11" (highly highly recommended, BTW) and Moore
deals with the September 11 scenes in a wonderful and powerful way.
He doesn't show anything. Everybody (except me) has seen those images
hundreds or thousands of times, so he just plays the soundtrack, the
planes hitting, the confusion, the sirens, with a completely black
screen. It is incredibly powerful, especially since, once the towers
fell, there was so much debris in the air that people who were still
in the area couldn't see anything. He recreates that sensation.
But, even with all that, even with the fact that I still can't think
about the events of that day without a chill, there is no way to
compare that to the real possibility of nuclear war. You have to
have perspective on these things.
On 9/11, when I was walking north after the towers fell, I heard
people say things like, "it's like living in Baghdad," and "it's
like living in Belfast," and I just thought about what sheltered
lives people live around here.
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