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Election 2004 Thoughts [ "Johnny Endicott" <jhardrocktoriamo ]
I guess a f&*k's out of the question [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ]
RE: concert ticket prices [ "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com> ]
fourth rule is: eat kosher salami [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:40:20 +0000
From: "Johnny Endicott" <jhardrocktoriamos@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Election 2004 Thoughts
Hi Everyone,
This is my first posting to this list so be gentle.
I have always been outspoken about things political, and have ruffled a few
feathers in the Tori Amos Universe I'm sure with my postings to other lists.
Until now I have been a fly on the wall in RDTRN.
I must say that while I will surely not be voting for King George in
November, I'm not all that thrilled with Senator Absentee Kerry. I mean,
think people, if you were elected to office, ANY office, don't you think it
would be nice to show up and vote on things once in a while?
I'm frankly so disgusted with the whole process that I could spit. The only
reason I know about Kerry's poor voting record is that the ads from both
sides are completely mired in the negative. I haven't heard one word from
anyone why candidate x is better than candidate y. Why candidate x is good.
I was in student government in college. My campaigns were successful
because I was always positive. I told people what I wanted to do, I didn't
bash my opponents, I ran positive campaigns. Then, when I was in office, I
did what I said I was going to do. The only special interest group I ever
bowed down to was a group of women tennis players who threatened to cut my
balls off if I didn't get them new tennis courts to replace the ones being
lost to a new building on campus. So I'm not perfect, I like my balls right
where they are. But the point is, while I was called every name in the book
by my opponents, including Nazi and Young Republican, I still won my
elections because people liked my approach.
Ok, ok, the sky is pink in my world sometimes. I'm still waiting for the
day when we can all climb that grassy hill, wearing ethnic robes, holding
hands and singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing", and buy each other
a Coke. I understand the reality of the political landscape. I just wonder
when someone will tell me why I should vote for John Kerry instead of
against George Dub.
I always enjoy reading Beth's postings, especially about her love life
(marry me Beth, marry me now...), but her latest one by Garrison K was so
filled with negativity and clever phrases that it really obfuscates the
issue. Am I relegated to only voting against someone? When can I vote FOR
someone again? Beth, please tell me why I should vote FOR John Kerry, not
why I should vote against Dub.
It really is a moot point I suppose, as Kerry will win California regardless
of how I vote. I'm seriously thinking of writing in Tori Amos with Mark
Hawley as her running mate. I actually voted for George Dub in 2000,
chiefly because of Joe Lieberman. PLEASE DON'T THINK I'M AN ANTI-SEMITE.
I'M NOT. But could you possibly imagine how we would be PERCEIVED by the
middle east if our chief of foreign affairs (the VP) was an Orthodox Jew?
It would be impossible for us to appear fair or neutral, even if we bent
over backward to accomodite the Palestinians. So I voted for George.
Again, because I knew it wouldn't matter in Cali, and I was voting AGAINST
someone.
My birthday is November 1st. I can't stand being home for my birthday,
because I was spoiled as a kid and now no-one even knows it's my special
day, except for the birthday listings that Violet sends out. So I run away.
While no circus will accept me yet, I am welcome at fine hotels and nice
cities and beaches. I'll never forget how special and wonderful I felt in
1996 when I was in Harry Carey's bar in Chicago, watching the news of Bill
Clinton's re-election. I did the write-in thing. I was hanging out with
these two beautiful women, who had also voted for Bill, and we were all
hugging and crying - we were so happy. It was like the page of the calendar
had finally turned over - someone (relatively) close to my age had been
re-elected, the agenda would continue, it was a glorious evening. I sorely
miss that feeling.
Obviously I would never vote for George Dub again, he has been such a
ridiculous example of leadership and compassion and commander in chief.
Tell all the people dying in Iraq every day that the mission was
accomplished. They would probably beg to differ. There are a million
things I could say about this assclown, but the one that gets me the most is
that he sits in the oval office and Gazoo sits on his shoulder and tells him
what to do. If you don't remember Gazoo from the Flintstones, bless you,
you are young. He was this green space alien who sat on Fred's shoulder and
told him what to do. Of course no one but Fred and Barney could see him
(except the children), he didn't have to prove he existed, and he had all
the answers. George has his own invisible man sitting on his shoulder
telling him what to do. George doesn't have to prove he exists, no one can
doubt his existence, he is taken at face value even without a face, and he's
running the country. But he's not a space man. His name is God.
People, we are in real trouble here. This election is so important. If you
don't vote, usually I would say you can't bitch about the outcome, but if
you don't vote in this election, well, FUCK YOU. Don't be a lazy stupid ass
and let this criminal get away with this garbage for another four years.
But... Can someone please tell me something good about John Kerry?
Anything at all? Other than "He's not George Bush"?
Oh, BTW, did you know that if you don't vote in Australia (from what I've
been told) you pay a fine? You can go in and vote for no one, leave
everything blank if you want, but you have to show up. Ah, Green God. The
only thing that can motivate an entire nation to do the right thing.
Circling the drain... the circles are getting smaller and smaller...
faster and faster...
Sorry if your feathers are ruffled now. Fire away.
Love Johnny
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:12:24 +1000
From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: I guess a f&*k's out of the question?
I don't have anything terribly amusing to say as I've been bored by
elections, irritated by computers with design flaws and nearly rendered
senseless by reading environmental impact statements so I'll just delve
straight into the replies.
Cyndi wrote in digest 1918...
>so my niece will be a sister by May if things go right.. yay!
>this is very good news indeed.. and I have a really good feeling that
>this one is going to be a boy.. or a boyish girl.. or a boyish boy.. or
>a... nevermind.
Let me get this straight. If you're niece is going to be a sister, then
she'd have to be adopted into your family. But if your niece is going to be
a boy, boyish girl or a boy which is due in May, then your niece is either
a niece or a nephew which probably hasn't been determined yet. It's either
that or you're experimenting in human cloning, or maybe even you're
completely insane. I'm so confused.
Onto censorship, which really doesn't make much more sense:
> and... continuing my little tirade here.. Walmart promotes
>censorship in my opinion, by not offering the "dirty" versions of albums
>along with the "cleaned up" versions..
I'd rather see both versions available, which runs into your discussion
question about being your own censor. I guess it really depends on the
material. If it's just a few naughty words or slightly taboo subjects, I
certainly want to be able to make the choice for myself as a consumer, or
on behalf of dependants if I had any. However if it came down to child
pornography, snuff movies or even instructions on how to make a bomb, I'd
prefer to have that decision taken away from me, which has the effect of
keeping that material out of the hands of perverts, sickos and potential
terrorists. My general rule of thumb is if nobody is directly or indirectly
hurt by the material then I'd like to make my own choice.
Beth - Velvet Revolver... I'm still not sold on it either though I think
it's slowly growing on me the more I listen to it. I was never a fan of
Guns'N'Roses but I can clearly hear Slash's input on the album. As a Stone
Temple Pilots / Scott Weiland fan it doesn't quite feel right. I think my
biggest gripe is that the sound is way over-produced.
Heidi in digest 1919 regarding ticket prices... one of the big risks the
promoters of the glut of international artists is that the potential
audience won't have enough money to see everything they want. If you throw
in big stage productions in town as well, budgets are sure to be tight.
While I gladly forked over my $200 for a premium ticket for The Who
recently, I balked at forking out $100 for a nose-bleed seat for The
Eagles. Sure I'd like to see them, but not that much. Your guess was right
about their premium tickets which were going for $500. I also read recently
that Neil Diamond declared that no ticket would be over $100 - I think they
came in at $99. I'm wondering how many of these tours are going to break
even. Probably a lot of them actually, but if they dropped the prices a bit
they'd get more bums on seats.
Greetings Carrie. Hope you don't mind a bit of pig's blood around here.
(I'm sure everyone makes some comment about your name.) You're not a
redhead by any chance? Ahem. Anyway... drug ads. Here in Australia the
biggest disclaimer you'll get is "If problems persist, see your doctor."
You'll generally also find a pamphlet with unusual medications listing all
the side effects. The fact we don't have major disclaimers in ads suggests
lawyers haven't had their way here yet and I hope it stays that way.
Getting down to rule of thumb again, if the benefits outweigh the side
effects, then it's probably worth taking. I say that also as someone who is
very sensitive to a lot of medications.
But where in life does litigation get crazy? A couple of years ago I
purchased new venetian blinds and not only did they fully explain the risks
of child strangulation on them, there were also two ugly stickers on the
blinds themselves. The thing is, they'd already made the design change that
was meant to avoid it. Sure it's sad if a kid strangles on a blind cord,
but there are hundreds of potentially fatal items around the home that
don't come with warnings. In the case of the blinds, some parents probably
successfully sued a manufacturer.
This is just one example of potentially thousands of pointless warnings,
like "mind the stairs", "hold the handrail while train is moving",
etcetera. Where should personal responsibility come into the equation? A
lot of accidents are caused by sheer stupidity and should be treated as
such. Taking measures to lessen the risk should be sufficient without
bombarding us with useless information.
>*** Beer, Getting Ugly People Laid Since 1700 digest ***
They would be ugly if they're that old.
Brian
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:04:26 -0700
From: "Dalsh 327" <dalsh327@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: RE: concert ticket prices
The only way people can fight ticket prices is just by not paying,
convincing others not to go and writing the tour managers and concert
promoters that they've gone overboard.
In a way it's good, because it's opening the doors to seeing local artists,
or ones on tour that are up and coming, that aren't under overhyped "next
big thing" status.
It's a business that depends on us to thrive, it's also one where the more
venues there are in a city, the higher the prices go up. Kind of a weird
thing, but that's what happens.
I think Tori's kept her prices fair for the most part and played venues
which have mostly (but definitely not always) complimented her music.
But I also think she's at a point where she's toured and toured, and I think
that in years ahead we're going to appreciate the times we've gotten to see
her (some having seen her in a tiny club), because there's no doubt that
she's going to slow it down a lot.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:18:12 -0400
From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: fourth rule is: eat kosher salami
Heidi said:
> but tickets were $175, which is really unaffordable to me, as a
> student, and also a lot of others who aren't students, i'm sure!
I cannot imagine paying $175 for a concert. I never even made $175
for *playing* a concert. Well, maybe if it was a concert with
Roxy Music and Television and Tori and Alanis, and I could
write all the set lists. I'd pay $175 for that, but only if
I got a DVD.
Cyndi:
> seriously, I kinda wanna debate this with everyone here: do you
> feel that it would be more effective if *YOU* were your own censor as
> opposed to having a team of people decide what offends you?
Very well put. I opppose censorship.
Some things are not for children. but it is much better to risk
children seeing a few things not designed for them (as most kids
do, no matter what their parents intend) than to cut
off the free flow of ideas and artistic expression for the
whole society (or at least as free as it is, which is pretty
limited anyway).
And anyway, most censorship sails under the flag of protecting
children, but that's never the real goal. Both "Ulysses" and
"Naked Lunch" (two of the most wonderful and important works
of literature in the 20th century) were banned in the US for
a while, and no child would make it more than a page or two
into either (many adults don't either). That wasn't the real
reason they were banned.
Thanks to Theresa for her comments on my 9/11/01 post:
She said:
> our family lost many friends on that day, and my father
> had to deal with it everyday he goes into work.
I can sympathize, though I didn't lose any friends
or family on that day. I still work right across
the street from the site, though.
> and i am disgusted about the exploitation of 9/11 - from politicians
> especially.
Some street vendor selling little WTC knick-knacks to
tourists may be annoying, but that's on an entirely
different level than invading other countries and
trying to replace their governments.
> it was helpful to hear from a kindred spirit.
Glad you got something from it.
In the six months after 9/11/01, everybody wanted
to hear about it, you could tell your story as
often as you wanted to (which was generally helpful,
much better than bottling it up), but more recently
people mostly aren't so interested. Understandable,
I know. And the need to tell the story diminishes,
too, but it will probably never entirely go away.
I used to work for a man who sometimes came back
into the shop (where we worked) and told us stories
of his experiences in World War II (radio man in a
bomber). We thought the stories were kind of
boring, especially the seventh or eighth time, but
now I think I understand better why he had to tell
them.
It's always better to tell them to people who have
a choice about listening, though.
When I was a supervisor, I never told my 9/11/01 story
to the people who worked for me (of course, we were
mostly all together on that day, so there wouldn't
have been much point anyway).
Brian said:
> Congratulations Jim of the Phynn variety on the news of your little one.
Is it just me, or is every family represented on this list having children
except mine? Well, that's no surprise, my family has decided we should
just
die out. Only two children born in the last half century or so.
Brian also said:
> people tend to abuse them. Not a day goes by on the train when I can't
> help but hear someone's banal conversation.
In New York they're talking about putting cell towers in the subways so
people
can get cell reception on the platforms and so on. I hope they don't, I'd
have to wear my headphones all the time, not just when I feel like it.
BTW, listening to the Ramones exclusively for the last couple of weeks.
> *** Cthulhu For President -- Why Vote For A Lesser Evil? digest ***
Hey, how about Sauron? Or, really, Morgoth?
As B/4
John
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