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Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:51:08 -0800
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 05 : Issue #1935
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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Do you remember me??? [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
like having bees live in your head ( [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ]
Re: rdtrn [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
"The Beekeeper" [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
replies [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
Beth Coulter.com Updated [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
live@launch [ jeff albertson <woj@smoe.org> ]
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:51:18 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Do you remember me???
Hey All!
Jeez, I know, it's been a long time. I just read the past 15 digests in a
quick skim, but I'm not going to do a Simon and reply to it all.
Um, did you know I went swimming with dolphins? It was fun and a dream come
true. I'll have a link to photos on my site when I get it updated. And the
article is at the Crestiad, Feb 3 issue (link on my page).
I've been so busy, taking a law class and a race/gender in the media class,
and having my column for the school paper, I simply have no time for
anything.
I grabbed some time to read Tori's book, which was everything I could hope.
I wanted to know all those feminist thoughts and how she works them into her
life. I also have been listing to the Beekeeper. Do yourself a
favor...program it in garden order (the order of the lyric book). It's a
new album that way. Same thing with Choirgirl. It's simply amazing.
Um, I'm going to NYC over St. Pat's day. I'll be at a college paper
conference from the 16th - 19th and staying at the Roosevelt Hotel. It's my
first trip there since 9/11 and it's going to be hard seeing the new
skyline.
I'm so sorry I've been so out of touch, but now that Henry and I have 8
months together, the need to spend every moment with each other has
lessened, so maybe I can be a little more involved.
I will be at the Philly concert. I lucked out with 3rd row, Orch Tier
seats. I look forward to it.
So, do you remember me? ;)
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:22:16 -0500
From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: like having bees live in your head (but there they are)
Bethany said:
> one is that i must
> regretfully say that The Beekeeper kind of sucks.
I've listened to it several times, and it hasn't made much of an
impression on me. The funny thing is that sometimes I start to notice
what she's saying and I get interested in the words, but the music is
always so tepid that my mind wanders off again.
Summy Florida (and the concerts I've seen) show that she's as good as ever
in concert (better, really). The problem has been the records. I think
(and I think this about almost everybody) that she needs an outside
producer, but my strongest feeling is that she needs to play with some
different musicians. I went on about this when Scarlet's Walk came out,
and I'm even more convinced now.
People have quoted her in interviews saying that her current band plays
what she hears in her head. That's reason enough to get rid of them right
there.
What you want in a musician to play with is somebody who will bring things
you never would have thought of, things you would never hear in your own
head. I had a keyboard player once (named Tony, sadly dead many years ago
at 27) who would learn a new song, go home, think about it, then a few
days later he'd come into rehearsal, usually with some notes he'd scribbed
on napkins in some bar the night before. He'd arrange the napkins on the
top of the organ and examine them, then he'd start to play some riff or
hook or melody that immediately became an essential part of the song, even
though it was nothing that I'd ever thought of before.
*That's* what you want in a musician to play with.
David Bowie didn't write that incredible three-note riff from "Heroes."
Bob Dylan didn't write the organ part from "Like A Rolling Stone." Joni
Mitchell didn't tell the bass player what to play on "Coyote." But when
you have Robert Fripp, Al Kooper or Jaco Pastorius, they bring their own
ideas and input and things can get raised to a whole different level.
I ended up liking Scarlet's Walk more than I did at first, but I almost
never play it. I suspect the Beekeeper may end up in the same category.
I just have to figure out how to get the music from Sunny Florida on a CD
so I can listen to it as I take the subway.
As B/4,
John
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:50:30 -0600
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: rdtrn
May this reviewer burn in hell:
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/_/id/6962456/
toriamos?pageid=rs.Reviews&pageregion=triple1
happy birthday Angela and Jim :)
>
teunis wrote:
> one would think someone yelled "fuzzy!" or something.
> Or maybe Peep.
> Peep?
> soon
that new Tarentino flick: "Peep Fiction"! ;)
what have I been up to? busy with school, and finally getting caught
up with my email after dealing with my computer being out of action in
January and part of last month.
and trying to get my family off my back without it automatically
looking like I'm hiding something from them. It's all bizarre- knowing
better but choosing to believe that a) I've gotten their support in the
past under less than honest circumtances, and b)demanding a free pass
to snoop into my financial records. They've helped in the past and
there never was a problem. A few months ago though they gave me a lot
of money because they took a look at my financial situation and royally
misinterpreted things- there had been a problem with my electrical bill
because the local power company was losing payments from me, but over
several weeks they were supposed to be investigating the problem. So
in October when they had apparently found the missing payments they
*still* cut the power off for a day or so. In the midst of that, my
parents were offering some good suggestions on getting a better handle
on things in case something like that happens again. Right after that
though, they suddenly pulled a 180 on me and turned the power company's
major fuckup into a huge lie on my part where apparently I had been,
for a long time, covering up all sorts of incompetence where money was
concerned. I get strongarmed into taking several hundred dollars from
them that I honestly didn't need, and then strongarmed more into
spending it all at once to pay off all those bills they decided I
wasn't paying the past several months but finally got caught not
paying. Bills got paid ahead of what was actually needed.
Beats the hell out of me where all this came from- and now I'm facing
a second audit from them, apparently because my mom wants to see where
my money has gone lately. I'm supposed to have all this extra money
saved up because of their "bailout" back in October, not seeming to get
it that a)per their orders, I blew through what they gave me and there
never was a whole lot left each month. I've spent quite a bit on
school this semester *because* I wasn't taking nearly as much help from
them this semester.
It's not that any spending I did was for anything nefarious, it's just
that it's very awkward having to explain why I didn't get their
approval when I didn't know I needed it in the first place. It's not
about hiding anything, it's simply me questioning the need to submit
for the "audit", especially knowing that their mind is already made up
that a)I'm lying my ass off to them and b)I need to be made
"accountable" for everything. A one time fix for a problem that wasn't
my fault in the first place is now a long history of them having to
bail me out of trouble. Not true.
What's really going on? Not totally sure. I know this whole thing
about demanding financial records is more about yet another attempt to
"punish" sloppy recordkeeping and my lax organizational skills. Yeah,
I'm not the most organized person, but bills get paid and no on else
seems to have a problem with how I do things. Money seems *not* to be
the main issue here, because they've totally blown me off when I've
offered to simply pay them back. To me, it seems also to be more about
them suddenly realizing that lately I haven't had to really answer to
them and they're making up for it now.
Am I hiding things or avoiding responsibility? Of course not. It's
simply that my experience with "accountability" is that those demanding
it of me usually are more interesting in just sticking their nose in my
business and expressing a lot of undeserved distrust.
My friends have suggested actually *not* allowing this "audit" and
simply telling them that I greatly appreciate their help but they know
what's really happened and there is no impending crisis I need help
with, that October was a fluke and not my fault to begin with. Tell
them that they need to trust me when I tell them I'm doing fine. Taking
a *huge* chance because all help is cut off if I refuse to allow access
to my financial records but on the other hand I've been getting closer
and closer to handling so much more on my own anyway. Not the end of
the world but it seems as if they're "concerned" (or hoping!) that I'll
fuck things up but paradoxically it also seems like it's about making
this a huge pain in the ass for me at a time that I have more important
things to deal with- classes, projects, and even the beginnings of me
doing independent web-design work later on.
My parents are usually good people and have usually been very
supportive, so it beats the hell out of me just what the hell is
breeding this contempt and distrust towards me. And to boot, it
actually looks like even with a total cutoff from them they're still
going to demand those damned financial records. What the hell are they
looking for? Don't know, and perhaps not worth trying to find out.
Sorry about the ranting. I'm just really pissed that my family thinks
this way about me. Ok, it's taking me longer than most people but in
the end, I've gotten my shit together, and I'm feeling really psyched
about everything- totally on track with things, and now is their time
to seek "payback" for whatever made-up shit comes up.
happy birthday mikewhy, Jana, renee, Amanda, Beth W and emilie! :)
and of course Violet :)
Simon
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:39:25 -0800
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: "The Beekeeper"
I've already started obsessing over the title song of the new album. Not
being familiar with Christian parables, I had to look up what it meant
when Tori sings, "I have come with my mustard seed." I thought I'd share
what I found:
http://www.centeringprayer.com/kingdom/kingdom05.htm
"In the particular myth in which the people of first-century Israel were
living, the kingdom of God had specific connotations of power, triumph,
holiness, and goodness. The kingdom, when it came, would introduce a
glorious new age of universal peace, with God's chosen people at the
head of the nations.
"The cultural symbol for this myth was the great cedar of Lebanon.
Cedars of Lebanon were comparable to the huge redwood trees of
California. They grew straight up for two or three hundred feet or more.
Every kind of bird cold enjoy their shade. This image was deeply
embedded in the cultural conditioning of the Jewish people. The kingdom
of God as a nation would be the greatest of all nations just as the
great cedar of Lebanon was the greatest of all trees.
"Instead, Jesus proposed this parable, "What is the kingdom of God
really like? It is like a mustard seed"--proverbially the smallest and
most insignificant of all seeds--"that someone took and sowed in his
garden." for an alert hearer of Jesus' day, the detail about the garden
would be a tip-off. In the Jewish view of the world, order was
identified with holiness and disorder with uncleanness. Hence there were
very strict rules about what could be planted in a household garden. The
rabbinical law of diverse kinds ruled that one could not mix certain
plants in the same garden. A mustard plant was forbidden in a household
garden because it was fast spreading and would tend to invade the
veggies. In stating that this man planted a mustard seed in his garden,
the hearers are alerted to the fact that he was doing something illegal.
An unclean image thus becomes the starting point for Jesus' vision of
the kingdom of God in this parable.
"If the starting point is an unclean image, the rest of the parable
becomes even more perplexing. What do we know about a mustard seed,
botanically speaking: it is a common, fast-spreading plant, which grows
to about four feet in height. It puts out a few branches, and with some
stretch of the imagination, birds might build a few down-at-the-heel
nests in its shade.
"Steeped in their cultural images of the great cedar of Lebanon, the
hearers would be expecting the mustard seed, Jesus' symbol of the
kingdom, to grow into a mighty apocalyptic tree. Jesus' point is exactly
the opposite. It just becomes a bush. Thus the image of the kingdom of
God as a towering cedar of Lebanon is explicitly ridiculed. According to
Jesus, the kingdom of God is like a mustard seed, which some man
illegally planted in his garden. It became a shrub and a few birds
nested in its modest branches. That's all. The parable subverts all the
grandiose ideas about what the kingdom is going to be like when it
finally arrives...
"The parable affirms that grace is like a mustard seed sown in us, the
smallest of all seeds. It is growing, but it is not going to turn us
into a cedar of Lebanon. We will be doing well if we become a modest
shrub."
(more at the link)
Beth
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:55:01 -0600
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: replies
>
cyndi: congrats to your sister :)
>
welcome lorna :)
john- congrats on finishing the story.
>
and congrats to winterlion on the engagement :)
>
jessica- sorry to hear about your dog *hug*
how's your mom doing?
Recent an outdoor display called Gates closed in New York City. I
wonder if one of them was called Tannhauser Gate. And was there a
"gate" in the form of a large standing ring? ;)
>
Violet- when did Power Tool Drag Race air? I never did see it listed
on either the 7th or the 14th on the Discovery Channel
my friend Joe has been making some hilarious animation based on the
live action cable access show we did years ago, as well as more recent
original productions. And there are some of the live action segments
there too:
http://www.lonebannana.com/
Based on a few reviews of Beekeeper, it looks like a parallel universe
inferior version has gotten into the hands of a few of the reviewers.
Toriphile for seven years now. At times I'm still amazed I made it
this far. I can honestly say that without her music I wouldn't be here
now.
The new Battlestar Galactica kicks ass. Check it out- Sci Fi Channel,
Friday nights.
So say we all!
Simon
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:34:16 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Beth Coulter.com Updated
Hey all,
Yep, it only took three months. And it's kind of a lame update. Just about
my speaking and thinking and....well, I guess the same stuff as always.
Peace, Love and New York nights,
Beth
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:34:20 -0500
From: jeff albertson <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: live@launch
yahoo's live@launch <url: http://music.yahoo.com/live/ > is currently
featuring a session with tori which includes streaming videos of an
interview and two live performances: "sleeps with butterflies" and
"parasol".
thanks to maria for the head's up about this!
woj
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