RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #2004

RDT Right Now #2004

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Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:29:42 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #2004
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 06 : Issue #2004 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Undented [ Violet <violet@torithoughts.org> ] Re: RDT Right Now #2003 [ paintedpage@aol.com ] so what's going on? [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:54:29 -0700 From: Violet <violet@torithoughts.org> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Undented Just wanted to let everyone here know that Undented is up and running. :) http://www.undented.com Violet xoxox -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:06:44 -0400 From: paintedpage@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #2003 Hello, Simon, about your posts - I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. I've read your emails, and I thought they sounded like you were describing your life and thoughts. How is that ruining rdtrn? I don't understand. To Brian, I agree that the music industry is extremely bland. I look for recordings that are offbeat, like Maggie Sansone on the hammer dulcimer (she has a small independent label - Maggie's Music) and Al Petteway on the guitar. Al is a really fantastic musician who has recorded a number of CDs, some with his wife, Amy White. They are pretty mellow, but they are not necessarily bland, in my opinion. I also listen to classical music. I really don't know why that's not more popular, except that I think they do a horrible job of teaching it in school. I don't like the typical symphonies with lots of strings, but I really like choral music and piano. Gabriel Faure is excellent. He composed a requiem in the late 1880's that is my favorite, and he also composed a lot of beautiful piano music and songs. I like Kathleen Battle too and Renee Fleming, although I have to admit that vibrato is an acquired taste for me. I *never* thought I'd like classical music growing up; I never listened to it, but the mediocrity or downright awful quality of so much popular music made me start looking into alternatives. I also like Bach's mass in B minor and the Christmas oratorio. But I admit, I have a hard time listening to classical music stations because the heavy-string music, like Beethoven and some of Mozart and Wagner, bores me to death and I think some classical stuff is way overproduced; their equivalent of commercial blandness. Bringing this back to Tori, I wonder if some of the things she does reflect her classical training. Not just the way she plays the piano and other instruments, but the frequent dynamics changes in her songs. I have to often turn the volume up when she's quiet and then turn it back down when she gets louder, just like I need to do with so many classical pieces. I've often wondered if she got so used to that during her training that she uses the technique as second nature. I could just see her songs marked as pianissimo and forte. Anyway, I agree about the Beekeeper. I've tried *so hard* to like it. But I can't, except as background music as you say. Sometimes when I'm upset or just not in the mood for something interesting, I put it on, so it's not like I hate it. But I must admit, I have a very difficult time listening to it straight through. Usually I skip most of the songs. In fact, the only ones I really, really like are Martha's Foolish Ginger, Marys of the Sea, and Toast (most of the time). I like the Beekeeper sometimes, and Sleeps with Butterflies sometimes, and Sweet the Sting sometimes, and sometimes General Joy. I think one of my problems with it is that for my taste, a lot of the song openings are very uninteresting, so the first 30 seconds of most of those songs is a chore to get through. So if I'm impatient, I hit the skip button immediatedly. If I wait it out, sometimes I really enjoy the song, and sometimes not. It depends on whether I'm in a place where I can tolerate the music - and it's difficult to try so hard. The thing is, I agree with a lot of people (and you) who say that if it had been produced differently, it would have been a much better album. It's the sense of lost potential that bothers me the most. Her voice is still great I think, and she can still compose, but it's too much. I must admit I hate Knickers, even though a lot of people really like it. It's the melody and the lyrics that get to me. I really don't like hearing about "the power of orange knickers" and I'm not a prude, because I love Icicle, for example, but I just think it's tacky. And that's my other problem with the Beekeeper - the lyrics. Tori resorts to a bunch of cliches that I know a lot of people have complained about - like "the sexiest thing is trust" - and the problem is not that the lyrics are so awful in themselves, but as with any cliche, it gets really, really old listening to it. So that lyric didn't bother me the first maybe 10 times I heard the song, but now on maybe the 50th time (I'm making these numbers up) I just can't stand it anymore - it strikes me as inane. And that's something Tori's never been before. I was really disappointed with that. Speaking of the Beekeeper lyrics, my husband got on Tori's case for the chorus of Martha's Foolish Ginger. Where she says "if those harbour lights had just been a half a mile inland, who knows what I would have done?" He said that harbour lights, by definition, are not inland, so the lyric makes no sense. Now there I think that's being a little hard on her. I guess what she's trying to say is that - if there was no guide to safety she would have been in a lot of trouble - and to me what she says makes the point just fine. I also don't like the line in Hoochie Woman about the woman meeting her needs on Barney's fourth floor. That's clever the first few times, but again, after I've heard it over and over, it irritates me. I wonder how many albums would change drastically if the artists tried listening to their full CDs twice a day for 30 days in a row? I doubt this would ever happen because once you record, it's not easy to redo, but that would certainly show the difference between a joke or cliche or bland song that disappoints after maybe 20 listenings, versus a great song (like Horses maybe) that still sounds great no matter how many times you play it. well, thanks for letting me ramble on. I've been on this list for a while, but never posted before, I don't think. I'm 37, married, no kids, definitely a feminist, and I do what I can to support RAINN, and I love Tori's music - most of the time. I think "Winter" is still my favorite song of hers. take care, Mary Katherine -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:50:53 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: RDTRN@torithoughts.org Subject: so what's going on? so.. the Dent has retired, Undented has started, Tori's working on a new album (last I heard anyway) and RDTRN is way too quiet! c'mon, people, let's get some discussions going! I haven't helped any, I know, but let's get something going. Simon, I hope you don't think you have to quit emailing RDTRN with updates, cuz I do like reading them. just thought I'd say so. :) my brother and his wife are expecting their first child--it (I'm betting it's gonna be a boy, though I don't have any preference one way or another) is due to be born on new year's day. exciting stuff indeed. ^O^ John Bragazzi and I have been chatting and sharing each other's writing.. which is always a fun thing to do--I like collaborating with fellow writers. I'm going BACK to school (not the Art Institute), only this time I'm going for a degree in published printed-writing editing as opposed to video editing since I don't want to get burned out on video editing and I know for a fact that that's EXACTLY what would happen if I got a job at, say, CNN, doing other people's work instead of what I want to do. this, however, means me moving out of the house and living on campus for the first time in my 24 years of life, and to be honest, I'm quaking in my boots. I'm eagerly looking forward to it, but I'm quite scared at the same time. so does anyone have any advice for a young whippersnapper like me who is staring down the barrel of a gun named "Life"? Stoney, my dog with cancer, is still alive, amazingly enough, though it's getting to be "crunch time" so to speak. I'm convinced, however, that his adopted brother, Max (who is mostly Labrador), is actually helping prolong his life by being so playful with him. my nephew Landon turned one on the 30th of April, and he, his sister Bailey and their parents moved out of my parents' basement and into an apartment about an hour and a half south of us. fun times all around. let's see.. um.. that's pretty much it. oh, I've rewritten a few of my stories. you can check some of them out in the scraps section of my DeviantArt page, but my most recent work that I'm STILL working on, I've given up and broken into chapters as actual full-on deviations. give 'em a peek and if you like what you see, leave a comment. I'm dyin' for feedback here! here's the URL: http://ciarablaze.deviantart.com/ and that's all for now. :) I need to post more often, I know. we ALL do. I miss this place being active! Sincerely, Cyndi S. 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