RDT Archive - Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 14/02/94 Part 1

Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 14/02/94 Part 1

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CONTENTS Baker, Baker and China Sandman/Neil Tori in German Vogue... Leno Show Radio & Tv Interview Tape Detroit News I'M HEARING BELLS!!!!!!!! (fwd) Tori plummets Tori in albany and unsubscribe cdc Tori singles Meeting other Toriphiles & German ticket sales Melissa Ferrick--a gal with a guitar? Billy Pilgrim/Melissa Ferrick at Tower Stores?? Tori's high school; Leno Radio stuff and a bit of nationalism Educated Redhead's Tori ticket alert: San Francisco, Herbst, March 21 Tori Amos' Under the Pink (fwd) How a Limited Edition CD Single made me fuzzy ADMINISTRATIVE - the end of the bounce list CORNFLAKE GIRL Is it time for a newsgroup? tori people tori virgin tori philly PRETTY GOOD YEAR SINGLES! --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 00:31:14 1994 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 23:31:13 GMT From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Subject: Baker, Baker and China I know that, on the Today Show over a week ago, Tori said that the song Baker, Baker was the logical successor to Me and a Gun. Apparently, in MAAG she finally admitted the problem (the emotional trauma of rape), and in BB she is facing its consequences (that it is difficult for her to open up even to her boyfriend, Eric). Being on the outside from Tori's life, though, I consider BB to be the sequel to China.In China, the female character tries to get the male character to open up to her, but he has built his Great Wall around him. In Baker, Baker, Torieverses the situation: it is the female character who cannot open up to the male. (I know that I am, as a hetersexual, guilty oan assumption here, but this is how I see it.) And, as this is a progressionthe character on the outside has given up, left his shielded lover, though earlier (in China) the charactestayed and tried to help. He has found it impossible to break down the walls, and gone tA. Any comments? John H --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 01:19:49 1994 From: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu (Laurel) Subject: Sandman/Neil Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:02 +22293638 (CST) Um, just a quick note regarding Neil Gaiman and Sandman.... Neil's a nice person, but also a truly busy one. He is around on GEnie and compuserve, and other such places. But please, if you know his e-mail address, don't deluge him with mail. After one incident where his email address was posted publicly, he was swamped with mail... rumor has it he even changed addresses because it got so out of hand. dunno if that is true or not.... but regardless.... think before you post. email is a little different than snail fan mail in that respect.... It's better to talk to Neil at appearances designed for such... or at forums that are designed for it (i.e. sandman discussions on GEnie or wherever....)... ...but it is up to you, i just wanted to throw that in there... :) (as far as Morpheus dying? i s'pose it's possible. I assumed the funeral was for Orpheus.... tho originally, i know it had been planned to do "the kindly ones" then a short story called "the wake" and then a few final issues. hmmmm.) sorry for the somewhat off tori stuff... oh.... as far as how Neil & Tori got acquainted.... a friend of tori's gave a tape of her songs to Neil at a comic convention... she told him that tori mentioned him in a song. and said he should give it a listen if he had the chance... those were a few songs, before the release of LE.... when Neil got around to listening, he was mighty impressed. and, i guess... tori was a sandman fan. eventually, he tracked her down and they conversed.... I found the UK "Cornflake Girl" single.... but not the lim ed yet... "Under the Pink" is flying* off the shelves here in Sioux Falls, Sodak of all places.... :) - Laurel Krahn - lakrahn@inst.augie.edu - Augustana College - Sioux Falls - English major, music lover, SF fan, Mpls native, bibliophile... :) --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 01:27:54 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 07:26:30 +0000 (U) From: TalbotJ <talbotj@RFERL.ORG> Subject: Tori in German Vogue... There is a one page article (and a small photo) about Miss Amos in the most recent issue of German Vogue. F.Y.I. Johnny --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 03:56:11 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:56:09 +0100 From: schafer@hasler.ascom.ch (Hanspeter Schafer) Subject: Leno Show Tori blew these 3 'supermodels' away with her smile. Unfortunatley the sound-mix was very bad. I really hated the thing that I almost couldn't hear the Boesendorfer (GOD). And this guitarist turned up his volume even more... But Baker Baker was played and sung with so much feeling that I forgot about GOD. Cheers - - PIANO MAN e-mail:schafer@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch "Music is your only friend ... Until the end" Jim Morrison "Catch the rainbow and ride the sky Make it shine for you and I" Ronnie James Dio "Don't take any shit from anybody" Billy Joel "Die schlimmste Ausgeburt des Herdenwesens: das mir verhasste Militaer! Wenn einer mit Vergnuegen in Reih und Glied zu einer Musik marschieren kann, dann verachte ich ihn schon; er hat sein grosses Gehirn nur aus Irrtum bekommen, da fuer ihn das Rueckenmark schon voellig genuegen wuerde" Albert Einstein --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 04:23:39 1994 Subject: Radio & Tv Interview Tape Date: Sat, 12 Feb 94 18:37:42 CET From: Vittorio Dell'Aiuto <MC3520@mclink.it> Hi RDTers, on Friday 28 Jan. Tori was in Italy to promote UtP. I tried to keep track of all her appearances on radio and TV, so here is a brief summary: RaiStereoUno (nationwide radio station) - A 50 minutes interview, they played some songs from the album as well, no live performance. I recorded it on tape. Canale 5 - Maurizio Costanzo Show (a quite popular talkshow on TV) - she didn't talk a lot; some argument with another host about her "horrible shoes" :-) She played "Cornflake Girl" (live piano & voice, with a pre-recorded musical base) and then, asked to play something from LE (she had been at the same talkshow a couple of years ago), she said "let's do something different" and played "Angie". This time just she and the piano. Wonderful cover. I did not record anything. VideoMusic - Roxy Bar (a kind of talkshow with live music) - She played live on piano "Pretty Good Year". Then she joined italian pop (jazzy?) singer Rossana Casale (another one considered a sort of Kate-clone on her debut), and they sang together John Lennon's "Imagine". I recorded it all on a VHS tape. Ciao vittorio --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 05:38:11 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:58:32 -0500 (EST) From: nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (N Richard Caldwell) Subject: Detroit News Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) Did I miss it or did nobody mention the horrible review of UTP in the Detriot News? The critic was evidently one of those lizards walking around with stolen genitalia. (actually just a test to see if our posts are coming through now) "Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) nrc@bsbbs.Columbus.OH.US --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 09:19:29 1994 Via: uk.ac.coventry.hermes; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 13:52:13 +0000 From: SEAN JAMES LIQUORISH <sjl4@cck.coventry.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 13:50:02 GMT Subject: Re: I'M HEARING BELLS!!!!!!!! (fwd) Could you Sorry Could you send me the encoded piccies of tori amos you snet before as mine have been deleted in a clear up by root thanks in Advance \ \|/ @ @ - -------------------------------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------- * Sean Lico * * * * Coventry Uni * Football is not a matter * LCFC - * * England * or life or death * The Best * * Face Sig : %^) * It`s more important than * * * Internet Address : * that * The Licoman * * sjl4@cch.coventry.ac.uk * * * ****************************************************************************** --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 10:23:11 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 15:19:28 +0000 (GMT) From: B P Bradley <mn3bpb@ss1.bath.ac.uk> Subject: Tori plummets Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: mn3bpb@ss1.bath.ac.uk Bad news on the chart placing of Cornflake Girl: It has plummeted 22 places down the charts to number 37. :( Meanwhile UtP has fallen one place to number 2 :( Still, nevermind, at least this means they are unlikely to postpone the release of the next single :) Ben. --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 10:25:49 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:21:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Christopher Caterina <caterina@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Subject: Tori in albany and unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 First off, anyone interested in obtaining a copy of the Albany video should contact me via email, I can only do a few for now so it will be first come first serve. Also, Anthony could you please unsubscribe me, with Tori's new found popularity and the release of the new album I just cannot keep up with my mail, it is taking up too much of my studying and working time. Thanx... Goodbye for now all, if anyone could keep me up to date on tour info i would appreciateit, if not I will check in with all of you periodically. Thamx again. .Peace, I'm Audi 5... Quieres chingaso, conmigo, tu lo tienes Por vida y por muerte Holmes! We would've believed it was an accident but you changed clips...TWICE I am 2.13.61, You see it clearly now, like a child... -Rollins I am the human punching bag... -Rage ;\ We ain't many, but we's locos... -the BDP RAGE (grrr!) email to: Caterina@oswego.oswego.edu --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 10:26:45 1994 From: dcwalter@tomservo (Christian Walters) Subject: cdc Tori singles Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 9:29:56 CST Reply-To: dcwalter@ingr.com Hey all, CDC finally got copies of the Tori cd singles. They have two listings for CfG, but no way to tell the difference between the two. The listings say: PHA32902 AMOS*TORI CORNFLAKE GIRL #1 S $10.59 PHANTOM (IMPORT) SINGLE PHA33282 AMOS*TORI CORNFLAKE GIRL #2 S $10.59 PHANTOM (IMPORT) SINGLE Can anyone tell me the track listings for these two? Wanna be sure before I cough up the bucks :) Thanks! - - Christian Walters * Tech Writer * "At least I'm not wasting my life as a nameless, Intergraph Corporation * faceless droid in some software megafactory..." Huntsville, AL * dcwalter@ingr.com * - Anonymous --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 10:42:57 1994 Subject: Meeting other Toriphiles & German ticket sales From: Wolfgang Mayerle <mayerle@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 16:42:16 +0100 Hi y'all! The following paragraph will be of interest only to German/European Toriphiles, but *please do read* the rest of my post, as you might be interested in that - independent of where you are from.. A couple of hours ago a friend of mine told me that there are already tickets for sale for the Munich Tori Amos concert, very much to my surprise, since I didn't read anything definite concerning the German tour dates (or maybe I just missed it.. well, piece of cake with tons of mail a day.. :)). Well, as soon as possible I rushed out of my uni and tried to get hold of some tickets, always bearing in mind the nightmare some of you folks kept on telling, like the shows selling out already after a couple of days (or was it hours? - boy, I sure was scared for some hours..). To get to the point: I *DID* get my ticket, and I was informed they are on sale from this day (Monday 14th) on. I paid DM 56 for it, and the date & location printed on it match the (tentative) ones Anthony gave about a week ago. I suspect the sales-date applies to Germany as a whole, if not to all of Europe. So, if you want a ticket: FOR GOD'S SAKE, GET GOING!! (sorry for the shouting.. :)) And now for something for all really-deep-thinkers: Since already several people tried to find out if there are other subscribers who will be on a specific concert, and I have similar interests, a bright idea struck my mind yesterday.. how this information could be come by WITHOUT overloading the mailinglist and/or annoying other subscribers. Now: If you're interested in who else out there on this list might be on the same concert(s) you're going to, just send an e-mail to the following address: mayerle@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (yep, that's mine - I hope I'll survive this.. :)) with the subject concert and with just the date and location of your concert(s) in the body. For your convenience, what follows is the tour-schedule as I know it (so you just need to copy the relevant lines): Thu 24 Feb Newcastle-Upon Tyne Theatre Fri 27 Feb Warwick - Arts Centre Sun 27 Feb Glasgow - Pavilion Mon 28 Feb Edinburgh - Queenshall Tue 1 Mar Manchester - Free Trade Hall Thu 3 Mar Leeds - City Varieties Music Hall Fri 4 Mar Cambridge - Corn Exchange Sun 6 Mar London - Her Majesty's Theatre Mon 7 Mar Bristol - Colston Hall Sun 20 Mar Seattle - Meany Theatre Mon 21 Mar San Francisco - Herbst Tue 22 Mar Los Angeles - Wadsworth Theatre Thu 24 Mar Chicago - Old Vic Sat 26 Mar Toronto - Convocation Hall Sun 27 Mar Wash DC Lissner Mon 28 Mar Philadelphia - Keswick Theatre Wed 30 Mar New York Symphony Space Thu 31 Mar Boston - Sanders Hall Fri 1 Apr Atlanta - Centerstage TENTATIVE: Tue 5 Apr France - Paris, The Cigalle Wed 6 Apr Belgium - Brussels, Passage 44 Thu 7 Apr Holland - Amsterdam, Paradiso Sat 9 Apr Germany - Berlin, Trinitatiskrine Sun 10 Apr Germany - Hamburg, Kleine Musikhalle Tue 12 Apr Germany - Frankfurt, Mozartsaal Wed 13 Apr Germany - Dusseldorf, Schumannsall Thu 14 Apr Germany - Stuttgart, Kleine Liedehalle Fri 15 Apr Germany - Munich, Prinz Regent Sun 17 Apr Switzerland - Zurich, Tonhalle Mon 18 Apr Italy - Milan, Teatro Orfeo Wed 20 Apr UK - Portsmouth, Guildhall Thu 21 Apr UK - Ipswich, Regent Sat 23 Apr UK - Wolverhampton, Civic Hall Sun 24 Apr UK - York, Barbican Mon 25 Apr UK - Nottingham, Royal Centre Tue 26 Apr UK - Cardiff, St. Davids Hall Thu 28 Apr UK - London, Palladium Fri 29 Apr UK - London, Palladium Sun 1 May Eire - Dublin, Olympia Mon 2 May N. Ireland - Belfast, Church House Wed 4 May Sweden - Stockholm, Cirkus Thu 5 May Denmark - Copenhagen, Montmartre At the end of the week I will send personal e-mail to everybody who sent in such a mail, with e-mail addresses of other people attending at appropriate concerts. Naturally, this only works if the majority of you folks send me mail - so go ahead! This project ceases with end of Thursday, 17th Feb. Please do not mail me afterwards! Again: Do NOT reply to this message. Send your mail to my address (as above), with the text 'concert' in the subject and your concert in the body. Well, I'm in much of a hurry, as always.. :( Wolfgang --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 11:06:40 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:05:40 -0500 From: Headley Grange <wk05522@worldlink.com> Subject: Melissa Ferrick--a gal with a guitar? Haven't read much about Melissa Ferrick's "Massive Blur" lately so I thought I'd stir things up and make sure I'm not the only one listening to this album twice a week. For the uninitiated, there is a tinge of Melissa Etheridge in her songs and a shade of Sinead O'Connor in her voice. She hass a captivating presence in concert (though she doesn't tour enough for me!) and her songs cover a rather wide palette of colors and emotion--ballads and rockers are solid throughout. If anyone has heard any news (recording/tour/otherwise) please let us know! Headley "'Massive Blur' is about the emotional sacrifices we make in order to exist-- these 'blurs' can stop your life from moving forward, and the longer you wait to accept them, the sooner your dreams die." --Melissa Ferrick --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 11:10:35 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:05:50 -0500 From: Headley Grange <wk05522@worldlink.com> Subject: Billy Pilgrim/Melissa Ferrick at Tower Stores?? I read recently about a cross country tour of 50 Tower Records stores featuring Billy Pilgrim and Melissa Ferrick. Has anyone seen an itinerary for this very cool event (maybe in _Pulse_ magazine)? Billy Pilgrim, formerly Hyra and Bush, released their first album (_St. Christopher's Cross) under their own names and it was bankrolled by IG Amy Ray (Emily Saliers does some backup vocals on the new Billy Pilgrim album). Anyway, the BP album is wonderful and Melissa Ferrick is a folk/rock goddess- in-the-making so this tour of Tower stores is a must see....if I only I knew where and when... Headley --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 11:40:15 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 11:36:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Abrahams <mabraham@cap.gwu.edu> Sender: Michael Abrahams <mabraham@cap.gwu.edu> Reply-To: Michael Abrahams <mabraham@cap.gwu.edu> Subject: Tori's high school; Leno Mime-Version: 1.0 If I'm not mistaken (and I doubt I am), Tori went to Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville, MD (a suburb of Washington, DC). BTW, I enjoyed the guitar playing during "God" on the Tonight Show. What I really liked however was the bass playing of Bruce Hurst and the drumming of Tain Watts. Those guys are amazing! - -Michael --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 11:42:56 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 15:39:28 +0000 From: amurray@afb1.ssc.edinburgh.ac.uk Date: 14 Feb 1994 16:30:19 GMT Subject: Radio stuff and a bit of nationalism Priority: normal If anyone outside of the UK has taped any radio promotional appearances for UtP, would you be kind enough to send me a copy? Some sort of exchange could be worked out I'm sure. I've got various tapes worth of live appearances from 1992, and am hoping to get some tapes from her forthcoming UK tour. By the way, just to be pedantic and a bit nationalistic, there is a little bit of country at the top of England called Scotland. So when people are talking about tours and singles, why not use 'UK' or 'Britain' ....? Amanda "The art of diplomacy is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a manner that they look forward to the trip." --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 12:31:16 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 12:31:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick" <manson@strauss.udel.edu> Subject: Re: Tori's high school; Leno Mime-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 14 Feb 1994, Michael Abrahams wrote: > If I'm not mistaken (and I doubt I am), Tori went to Richard Montgomery High > School in Rockville, MD (a suburb of Washington, DC). > well, you are not mistaken my girlfriend went to R. Mongomery as well (about 10 years after) and she reported that everybody was so shocked about Tori turning out the way she did (whatever that means) (there were also those people who claimed to know her when she went there, etc. etc.) my question, did she graduate? i remeber her saying that she 'went only as long as she had to', did she drop out at 16? my girlfriend also said that rockville, MD is the same rockville mentioned in "Don't go back to Rockville" by REM she has no proof of this, so it's just speculation ciao-- M. Gilligan University of DuPont International Relations AS 95 "And so I waited a long time before giving up my virginity, because of this feeling: 'how can I be a nice, respectable girl and want to do this?'. And more than anything I wanted respect from men, my father in particular. And even at that age I felt that Jesus was a real, living presence in my life. That can be a bit of a disadvantage. It's weird when you're giving a guy head at 15 and you're thinking 'Jesus is looking at me!'." Tori Amos --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 12:52:47 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 12:55 EDT From: DAMION FROST <ST931341@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> Subject: Educated Redhead's Tori probably did graduate High School. A musically inclined friend told me that Tori attended Juilliard (sp?), and usually a High School diploma is a prerequisite. On a more sensitive note, Tori never really talks of her Rape, which is understandable. She did mention that it happened when she was about 22, and I was wondering if anyone could elaborate. What happened to the guy? Where was\ Tori, England, Maryland, or Hollywood? Any info? Also, her past is still a little clouded between birth and age 5. When did she move to Maryland? Sorry if I sound like I'm obsessing, its just that I am obsessed. -Frost --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 14:31:48 1994 From: Ethan_Straffin@NeXT.COM (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:31:37 -0800 Subject: Tori ticket alert: San Francisco, Herbst, March 21 Called the City Ticket Office in San Francisco this morning and was told that tickets for Tori's SF show would go on sale Sunday, Feb. 20. The Ticket Office will be closed that day, but Bass will be open and carrying the tickets. Ethan --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 15:08:29 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 03:10:05 +1100 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Tori Amos' Under the Pink (fwd) > > Tori wrote the song "Happy Worker" for the soundtrack of Toys. > > Not to be picky, and this isn't a flame; Just to clarify > > _The Happy Worker_ > Performed by Tori Amos > Produced by Trevor Horn > Written by Trevor Horn / Bruce Woolley. Same two who wrote the Buggles hit song "Video Killed The Radio Star" back in 1981, by the way. :) (That was repeated trivia; relevance is everything. I like saying things twice. I like saying things twice.) > Trevor Horn and Hans Zimmer wrote most of the music on the soundtrack. I > like Zimmer's style better from what I can hear of it... Zimmer, for that film, did the orchestral work that was the basis for what Trevor Horn finally concocted; Horn was brought in at a later stage to redo the music with Zimmer... - - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 15:16:11 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 02:43:12 +1100 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: How a Limited Edition CD Single made me fuzzy ddouglas writes to (Mr.) Death: > If I was a big Hendrix fan and heard there was a different verison of "If 6 > was 9" I would probably buy the CD If I could. A case in point - This is what This is how I ended up hearing Tori's music for the first time. I'd read about her before (the NME article titled "Ginger Nut") and thought that this was something I must investigate, but did nothing further about it until I heard many people talking about this bizarre cover version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Tori Amos. I made a mental note to ask Warner about it, and a few days later when I was in there I did exactly that. They sent me away with a bunch of the usual pop drivel and a copy of the "Winter" UK Limited Edition, which was the standard CD single release here in Australia. I got home, put the CD in, and played "Teen Spirit". I was amused and quite pleased with what she'd done with the song, but it was only when I went back to track 1 and played "Winter" that it hit me. I stopped what I was doing. My heart was in my mouth. What *was* this? It was one of the most beautiful things I had ever heard. Ditto for her reading of "Thank You", which left me with a lump in my throat and prompted me to travel back into the city to buy a copy of "Little Earthquakes" immediately. That was Mid-1992. Since then I have joined the internet, found out about rdt, and through rdt have heard music I never dreamed existed; Happy Rhodes, Sarah McLachlan, Tribe, Mae Moore, Jane Siberry, and many more; my fondness for Tori's music prompted my being introduced to the music of Margot Smith by a fellow writer who knew I'd like it (turns out she wrote the initial press release... :-). The chain started with Tori's cover of "Teen Spirit". Maybe I would have heard her anyway. Probably by now I certainly would. But for me at the time Tori was the first of what has been many "discoveries", an artist who it seemed only I knew existed, which made meeting fellow fans even more enjoyable. So that's my ToriStory. In short, that Limited "Winter" single introduced me to her music, and in turn to much more. Music that changed my life. If you enjoyed this post, you'd enjoy Ecto, the Happy Rhodes mailing list that's a world unto itself and is possibly the only flame-free zone on the entire Internet. :-) - - Anthony (the one who has now stopped hypenating, and who lives in Melbourne, but a more Southerly bit of Melbourne than the other Melbourne Anthony does.) - - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 15:29:25 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 15:29:23 EST From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: ADMINISTRATIVE - the end of the bounce list Dear really-deep-thoughts subscribers, I'm afraid that the bounce version of rdt is going to have to cease to exist, and that I'm changing it into a digest-only list. The reason is that the bounce list is simply putting too much load on the mailers here at Penn, and those responsible for running the system have asked me to change it. If this causes excessive problems for anyone, or anyone has any suggestions for improving the digests please let me know. I'm hoping that this won't have an adverse effect on the nature and atmosphere of the list. thanks, - -Anthony (really-deep-thoughts-owner@gradient.cis.upenn.edu) --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 15:44:35 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 15:44:32 -0500 (EST) From: consid <consid@access.digex.net> Subject: CORNFLAKE GIRL Mime-Version: 1.0 I posted some of this earlier, but there is some new material in here. - -Sue Trowbridge TORI: You've got to work on this record. This is not as petal- opening as the last record. This record is, OK, you've got to go in your own being to get this record. 'Cause I'm real clear what this is. I don't have to spell things out this time. It wasn't conscious or unconscious; it's just people that I think are into what I'm doing are ready to take that step. So "Cornflake," "Bells" and "Waitress" are a triangle together. Part of this record is dealing with the betrayal of women, between women. These three, "Cornflake" is, I've been reading "Possessing the Secret of Joy" by Alice Walker. I don't know if you read that. It went in depth of just women betraying women, and how the mothers really sold the daughters to the butchers, and had their genitalia removed, et cetera. A lot of memory came to me. Just social memory, not necessarily personal memory -- collective memory of how women have turned on each other. And the concept of a sisterhood is not real. I think that hurts me more than most concepts, because the idea that -- we've been, women have had obviously very little say in their lives, and it's been a difficult road. See, I believe in past lives, so I've been a man making it hard on women also. Just if we look at it from objective viewpoints, just the history of woman has been very lonely, and when you think that we should support each other, understand each other, that makes sense to me. You would think. SUN: One thing being oppressed teaches you is how to oppress others. TORI: Yes. It's been -- again, it's the victims become the abusers, it's that whole -- which is explored in "Waitress," too, where I become the one who wants to slice this person's head off. But the thing is, it's been, it's so disappointing for me when I feel betrayed by another woman. So "Cornflake Girl" is that disappointment. "This is not really happening, you bet your life it is. Never was a cornflake girl, thought that was a good solution." Cornflake being white bread, closed. "Hanging with the raisin girls," you know, whole wheat, multicultural, open, a little more going on. "She's gone to the other side, giving us the yo heave ho. Things are getting kind of gross." I think that's clear. "And I go at sleepytime, this is not really happening. You bet your life it is." The second verse, it just supports that whole thing. "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl?" Rabbit, in certain Indian traditions, it represents fear. "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl? And the man with the golden gun thinks he knows so much." Well, those are my God references again. SUN: There seems to be a small but growing movement of young women who realize that the trouble with feminism was that it was articulated as politics, and it's not about politics. It's about being feminine, and all that being feminine entails. Some of the stuff that you've dealt with is very much of the same cloth that [singer] Liz Phair and [comic book artist] Julie Doucet deal with .. but their most vituperative critics tend to be women. TORI: I know. That's "Cornflake Girl" right there. It's that incredible -- "All the sweeteaze are gone, gone to the other side, with my encyclopedia. They musta paid her a nice price. She's putting on her string bean love." Anorexic. They just put it on. If you go to their side and take up their cause, then you're a strong, independent woman. Well, you know, I'm so tired of strong, independent woman equals. And there's a list. Instead of -- well, hang on a minute, the most interesting word here is vulnerability, that's getting left out, because it's associated with weakness. You don't dress a certain way to be a strong independent woman. It's fascist, and it's the same -- they're no different. They're just the other extreme. I don't feel a part of any kind of sisterhood. Again, it's the most disappointing thing, where I get criticized by women more than men on how I play the piano. They find it offensive. They find it offensive. I'm just going, well, this is how I choose to express myself, so if you're truly a strong, independent woman, then how could you possibly find me being a strong, independent woman offensive? SUN: If you're playing the game, which they are, it threatens you to discover there are people who realize you don't have to play the game. TORI: That's the core issue. It's just another set of rules. They're no different than the men that enslave the women in the first place. They're enslaving women. That's this triangle of women enslaving women. If we sit down, to have a cereal is no coincidence, because cereal is a very interesting word to me. To go to breakfast and to go to grains, all those things, and to segregate me as a cereal, especially since I did do a cornflake commercial, and since I do call the song "Cornflake Girl," and I say "Never was a cornflake girl," there's a real rub there. Because in honesty, I used to say, "I'm not violent, I'm a peacemaker." And here I am in "The Waitress" with no problems ready to rip her head off. SUN: That was the best part of the song. "I believe in peace, bitch." TORI: Yes. Well, I think that if -- it's funny, I kind of find it all pretty clear. I can see how "Space Dog" is tricky, and I'll come through with that one. But "Space Dog"'s a mushroom trip anyway. It is supposed to be kind of-- SUN: I thought it was a "Ren and Stimpy" episode. TORI: Ha, ha! Well, fine. Same thing. But the thing is, with a lot of the language, it's not like ahead thought out, but it's kind of like a camera, again, where I'm filming myself in these experiences. And the best way I can describe things sometimes is like how I'm tasting. With tangible things. Not just to say, "These girls betrayed me, and I really feel bad now." * * * * * * * * * * consid@access.digex.net * * * * * * * * * * Someday, somewhere along the great information superhighway, I'll be pulled over for a speeding ticket. * * * * * * * * * * * --David Letterman * * * * * * * * * * * * --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 16:12:59 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 16:06:46 EST From: David Markfield <DMARKFI@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> Subject: Is it time for a newsgroup? well with the volume and with Anthony having to switch to digest format is it time for either an independent newsgroup (like alt.music.marillion and freaks are independent of one another) or a gated group (like gaffa). Personally, I think it is. Considering the volume of posts this group has had that could easily justify a group in the rec hierarchy. Most systems that carry news carry rec as opposed to alt which does not have such high access. Granted not everyone has news....but i think volume calls for a newsgroup...... .additionally if gating was possible that would solve the dilemma....also there are a number of organizations (such as NYX) which offer free news access and are only a telnet away. anyway hope that there enough people behind this and maybe we can get a proposal/RFD/etc.... going and get a vote.... (someone know the net protocol and procedures to establish a group?) dave | Dave Markfield | The truth of sport plays rings around you 3633 Nobscot Court Apt 2A | - Yes - Indianapolis, IN 46222 | (317) 924-9631 | Thundering Herd 17-0, #1 Offense, #2 Defense | ** Ditka Division Champions ** | ** 1993 Netional Football League Champion ** | Indianapolis Colts 4-12 oh well...next year --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 16:37:47 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 12:28 EST From: ELEFANTE <ELEFANTE%DIALOGVM@mcimail.com> Subject: tori people song PEOPLE MAGAZINE (PEO) - February 7, 1994 By: JANICE MIN, MARK J. PETRACCA, TONY SCHERMAN, AMY LINDEN Section: PICKS & PANS Page: 27 Word Count: 1,187 TEXT: UNDER THE PINK Tori Amos Her music is about the space hanging between the notes she plays or sings. Mostly, the notes allow you to fall between them until the next one rolls out to the rescue. There's pathos, too -- probably more than most music consumers care to swallow. Yet, this incomparable songwriter, with her deft piano playing and compelling voice, performs songs that make you feel. Following 1992's impressive debut album, Little Earthquakes, Amos, with her sophomore effort, plunges fearlessly into such weighty topics as sexual guilt, anger and religious confusion -- territory from which she seems to emerge healed and healthy. This is certainly the case with ''God,'' the album's first single and one of her more wickedly delightful songs yet. ''God sometimes you just don't come through/ Do you need a woman to look after you?'' she asks. By questioning patriarchal power, she's written the perfect female bookend to Randy Newman's equally sardonic ''God's Song (That's Why I Love Mankind).'' Elsewhere, ''The Waitress'' unfolds like many of her songs -- small and quiet one minute, tough and abrasive the next. Throughout, Amos's lush melodies and elaborate arrangements grow stronger with each listening. (Atlantic) M.J.P. --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 16:38:10 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 12:28 EST From: ELEFANTE <ELEFANTE%DIALOGVM@mcimail.com> Subject: tori virgin PREVIEW REVIEWS VIRGINIAN-PILOT (Norfolk, VA) (VP) - Friday, February 11, 1994 Edition: FINAL Section: PREVIEW Page: 08 Word Count: 1,650 MEMO: TYPE: Music Review TEXT: TORI AMOS Under the Pink (Atlantic) Tori Amos ' favorite device is easily enough guessed at after listening to her second album a few times. By the time ``Under the Pink's'' 57 minutes have passed - some excruciatingly slowly - Amos has signaled Foreboding with dissonant chords three or four times. Three or four times too many. Amos, hailed as a striking new talent on the strength of her 1992 solo debut, ``Little Earthquakes,'' doesn't evince a lot of artistic growth. The singer/songwriter's would-be daring juxtapositioning of religious doubt and fearless eroticism has never bitten the way it did on more solid works such as Marvin Gaye's ``Midnight Love'' and, especially, Madonna's ``Like a Prayer.'' The artiste's derivativeness continues with ``Under the Pink's'' signature nods to Kate Bush's over-the-top isms: vocal- and emotional-. But where Bush seems to have something fresh to say, and sonically arresting ways to say it, Amos too often falls into incoherent imagery expressed with a too-precious voice that makes Natalie Merchant sound like Poly Styrene. Even the potentially funny ``The Wrong Band'' falls into this trap, and the murder fantasy ``The Waitress'' comes awfully close to self-parody. It is amusing, though, to hear Amos yelp ``I believe in peace/Bitch'' over and over. Amos' token stabs at expanding her palette fall similarly short. Strings are used strictly for coloration; they have little to do besides sounding pretty. The stupefying studio reggae of ``Past the Mission'' has been done to death. And ``Yes, Anastasia'' doesn't do much to encourage the comeback of 10-minute closing tracks. --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 16:38:10 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 12:28 EST From: ELEFANTE <ELEFANTE%DIALOGVM@mcimail.com> Subject: tori philly THE PAST ISN'T TENSE FOR ZHANE Philadelphia Daily News (DN) - TUESDAY February 8, 1994 By: Chuck Arnold, Daily News Staff Writer Edition: PM Section: FEATURES YO! Page: 32 Word Count: 944 MEMO: DISCS TEXT: UNDER THE PINK Tori Amos / Atlantic * * * 1/2 Half-hiding under the lilting voice and haunting piano beats the dark spirit of a woman who feels betrayed: Betrayed by guys who act like ''God'' and even more by the womanly self within who lets the jerks get away with it. She's disillusioned (in ''Bells for Her'') by a lifelong friend so altered by her husband she's hardly recognizable. She's so undone by a two-faced colleague, ''The Waitress,'' she's ready to thwack the wench. While Tori Amos 's '92 breakthrough ''Little Earthquakes'' dealt with everyday feminism and survival, ''Under the Pink'' portrays sisterhood as an illusion, with every woman out for herself. Amos makes you work to keep up. Toying with pronunciations the way a jazz saxophonist bends notes, words tumble out in a stream-of-consciousness babble that requires careful reading of the lyrics. Are those intimations of lesbianism we sense in ''The Wrong Band,'' and coy allusions to masturbation in ''Icicle''? The nursery rhyme-employing ''Baker Baker'' and ''Yes Anastasia'' underscore a child/woman fragility. The schizophrenic tone to Amos' music complements the imagery - at turns highbrow and gutsy, wry and wincing. It's peppered with unexpected sound effects, bursts of dirty guitar, dabs of a highbrow string ensemble and Amos' processed keyboards. Amos's love of Elton John comes through in ''Past the Mission,'' a response to his ''Burn Down the Mission.'' ''Space Dog'' is in the odd spirit of Pink Floyd, reminding us Amos is a bit of a rocker under that sensitive singer-songwriter wrap she wears so well. - JONATHAN TAKIFF CAPTION: PHOTO PHOTO (1) 1. Jean Norris (left) and Renee Neufville are Zhane Copyright Philadelphia Newspapers Inc. 1994 --- Next Message--- [top] >From rdt-owner Mon Feb 14 16:39:19 1994 From: timgng@aol.com Sender: "timgng" <timgng@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 16:44:35 EST Subject: PRETTY GOOD YEAR SINGLES! I can now take orders for the PRETTY GOOD YEAR singles! The info. is as follows: TORI AMOS - PRETTY GOOD YEAR/PART ONE LTD. ED. P.G.Y./Daisy Dead Petals/Home On The Range...$15 TORI AMOS - PRETTY GOOD YEAR/PART TWO P.G.Y./Honey/Black Swan...$13 also available: TORI AMOS - PRETTY GOOD YEAR 7" vinyl...$13 These are available through a different distributor, and that is the reason for the price difference. They'll actually be available February 28 according to a fax I got today, but I can place my orders for them now. (I can still get the other singles mentioned in earlier postings, let me know if you need a list of those. I'll soon be offering T-Shirts, promotional items, etc. as well). If interested, you can send a check to: Great Northern Gallery 1807 W. Hwy 61 Grand Marais, MN 55604-0147 or call (218) 387-9007 w/ Credit Card orders. Any other artists I can help you with? Timothy --- End of messages --- To change or remove your subscription to Really-Deep-Thoughts please send mail to really-deep-thoughts-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu or rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu Other administrative requests should be sent to really-deep-thoughts-owner@gradient.cis.upenn.edu or rdt-owner@gradient.cis.upenn.edu Archives and a discography are available by anonymous ftp from ftp.uwp.edu, in the directory /pub/music/lists/rdt. - -Anthony (mailing-list-owner)

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