RDT Archive - Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 28/10/94 Part 2

Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 28/10/94 Part 2

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********************************************************************** Please send unsubscribe messages to rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu DO NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list --- they will be ignored ********************************************************************** CONTENTS first hand observations Little Faerie Wee sorry... tori in connecticut Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 27/10/94 Part 2 Who's Tori Amos? Possible Tori Covers NYT CROsswords Toronto RDT gathering: Larry King Live is Off Tori in New Zealand sex fantasy Sarah disc rdt mett rdt meeting in Toronto Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 26/10/94 Part 2 -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 11:08:12 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:08:05 -0900 From: althouse@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ann Althouse) Subject: first hand observations Kim Dyer wrote >> >I think you may have misunderstood Tori's comment. My impression of Tori's >> >story was that she was talking about having your clothes blown off accident >> >by an explosion, gust of wind or whatever, not intentionally ripped off in >> >an act of violence. There's a big difference. I answered: >> Well, it was described as an IRA bomb explosion. In my book, that's an act >> of violence. > >This is the first time I've heard what Tori said described that way. How >many people from the source did this description appear? I heard it personally, straight from Tori's mouth at the Madison concert. And I'm the original poster on the Courtney Love event. You ask me to evaluate my own observatiosn in light of what was most "likely" but since I heard/saw both things, I prefer to take my observations straight without skewing them according to what would tend to be said or would tend to happen. Ann -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 12:17:43 1994 From: dop@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Little Faerie Wee Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 I would like to publicly thank the Mermaid for diligently typing that damned Keyboard article...if it weren't here on rdt I wouldn't be able to have experienced it. It's rather like the other article she did for them...WAY more interesting than the sometimes silly weirdness she puts out for Rolling Stone interviewers and the like. Quite a nice insight - - rather, a further insight - into her musicwriting psyche. Sometimes I can tango with a pen or paintbrush, but not with the insistence of her songbabies. We should all be blessed with a relationship of that depth. Pretty inspiring. - -the magpie "you always like your babies tight" -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 12:27:19 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Cynthia Lawson Jaramillo <c-lawson@uniandes.edu.co> Subject: sorry... Mime-Version: 1.0 Well...I am pretty upset that my posting received the wrong interpretation (especially by Tina "the cat"). What I was trying to say, and I thought it was pretty clear, was that i had read from ANOTHER poster, that maybe Tori's rape was not real...and if you read my posting correctly, I did say "But i would be pretty upset if it was a fake, because I don' believe anyone can put so much sentiment and emotion into a song if it wasn't true." So...everything cleared? ciao til soon Cynthia -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 12:50:30 1994 Mr-Received: by mta ITHACA.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:50:06 -0400 Mr-Received: by mta IC1; Relayed; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:50:24 -0400 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JLOPINT1 <JLOPINT1@ithaca.edu> Subject: tori in connecticut Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 118AE32A0F00 Hop-Count: 0 hello again.... my sister and i had our own little tori fest...after i saw the show in elmira, she got to see the show in connecticut the next night...apparently, tori talked about elmira when she was doing the connecticut show...this is a second hand story, so if my sister misunderstood something, than i'll just be repeating it, but anyway, tori said that when she was on her way to the show in elmira, the driver of her car said that he wanted his wife to see the show....he also said that his wife was very religious...tori replied by saying, "i don't know if she'd really like the show if she's that religious, but she's welcome to come." well, the wife came, and the wife left..in the middle of the show....she was so offended by tori's masturbating and sex comments that she left in the middle of it.. when tori got into the limo at the end of the show, the driver told her this and she said, "i told you so!" (sorry for the exclamation tori) anyway, after the show she went to a diner and was telling the waitress the same story...she also spoke about god and something about how she wanted to have sex with god...well, the waitress was so offended that she wouldn't serve tori her food... anyway, that's the story that tori told in connecticut and my sister told me the next day after the show...i thought everyone might be interested to hear it....if anyone was actually there, then you are welcome to correct me if i made any mistakes.. by the way, my sister got to hear "honey" and i didn't :( - -jessica 10 good days. -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 13:51:05 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:53:30 -0700 From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck) Subject: Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 27/10/94 Part 2 >From: "Kim.Dyer" <21329KAD@msu.edu> >Subject: Should be vs. is > >Of course, as one poster mentioned, there IS the possiblity that the >whole thing was staged. THAT makes a great deal of sense, especially >if this scene is repeated as often as it seems to be. The one thing >Courtney Love is NOT,in anyones estimation, is SHY. Everything I have >ever heard also indicates that, drug use aside, she is not STUPID >either. Indeed, she is a master of manipulating the media even in the >worst of times. I'd like to invite anyone to email me for a copy of some posts Courtney made to aol. If after reading them you still think she's clever manipulator ala, say, Madonna, then. . . An excerpt: Subj: Re: RAlternativeS ELITIST FUCKSH From: CMLC HEY GALS; SO BIKINI KILL SEEKING OUT A MAJOR LABEL BASED OIN PRESS HYPE AND MARY LOU LORD SEEKING OUT A MAJOR WITH A RESUME ATTACHED CLAIMING SHE A BAND WITH juliana NOT TRUE a band with kim deal insane, and most vile of all, on a RESUME, CLaiming, to have had an affair with KURT,PSYCHOPSYCHO PSYCHO, THAT DOES COUNT AS CORPORATE COCKSUCKING, RIGHT//? -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 15:37:49 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:39:42 -0500 From: jamccarr@facstaff.wisc.edu Subject: Who's Tori Amos? I just had something I wanted to share. One day while leaving work I walked out to my car with another individual. I was on my way to see Tori perform, and was asked, "Who's Tori Amos?" Well, I brought my UtP CD to work today, and Al and his co-workers gave it a listen. When he gave it back to me, he said it was interesting, and that there was some really good poetry going on with the lyrics. :-) He also said that if he had not been following along with the lyrics, all the songs sounded pretty much alike (to each their own). He did say that he wants to give LE a listen. I thought these were interesting comments from someone who didn't have any clue about Tori Amos. In any event, it was fun to walk past his lab and hear UtP, and it was a good feeling for me to be able to expose some people to Tori's music. Julie */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* Formerly JULIEM@macc.wisc.edu, but still Julie none the less! -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 15:41:08 1994 From: maestro@ruf.rice.edu (Robert C McCauley) Subject: Possible Tori Covers Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:43:00 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 After lurking for months, I am finally posting somethine to this fine group. On the subject of covers, I have thought long and hard about what I would like to hear and why. Here are 2 suggestions: 1) RED DRESS by Laurie Anderson from *STRANGE ANGELS* 2) TEMPLE by Jane Siberry from *WHEN I WAS A BOY* Why do I want Tori to try these songs? Both of these songs deal with passion and desire, but are originaly sung in a somewhat dispassionate fasion (no flames please, it's just one person's opinion). I think Tori's vocals on these songs could intensify and bring new meaning to them, and her solo piano work would radically re-color the original sound of the song (both highly electronic in their first versions). I must confess I like these songs, but they aren't my all time favorite songs, even by these artists. I think that Tori is enough of a genius to pick songs to cover that take her outside her emotional world, and that surprise and electrify the listener by making something very old seem very, very new. In picking these 2 songs, I tried to think like she would, and I might have failed. I would be very curious if someone from Atlantic or in her organization would read this and mention these songs to her and see how close I came. It is a longshot that this would really happen, but I can dream. """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" If you want to lead the orchestra, turn your back to the crowd. """"""""""""""""""""""Bob McCauley maestro@rice.edu"""""""""""""""""""" -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 15:48:08 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:46:00 -0400 From: Steven.Cohn@ICD-PO.SMHEARST.LANGATE.sprint.com Subject: NYT CROsswords 49 Across in Thursday's New York Times Crossword Singer ____ Amos. Gee... What could the answer Be. -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 16:08:21 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 16:10:18 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: itos@pavlov.psyc.queensu.ca (S Ito) Subject: Toronto RDT gathering: Okay, for those who are interested: **************************************************** RDT GATHERING and APPETIZER/SNACK-FEST! Mr. GreenJeans in the Eaton Centre Mall Saturday, Oct 29, 5:30 pm Just tell the host/hostess you're with RDT **************************************************** I'll make a reservation tonight when I get into Toronto. Hope to see you there! Steve - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Ito, R.A. | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says Psychology Dept. | differently is selling something." Queen's University | - the Dread Pirate Roberts Kingston, ON, CANADA | -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 17:01:47 1994 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 21:45:15 -0400 (EDT) From: rdt-ed@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (RDT Fanzine Editor) Subject: Larry King Live is Off Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) Unfortunately Tori won't be appearing on Larry King Live. Scheduling for the show is often kind of tentative since the guests change so often according to current events so we didn't have definite information about the appearance until now. Tori will be taping an appearance for a Canadian TV show while in Montreal. Sorry, we didn't catch the exact name but it sounded like French for "Music Plus." We're trying to fill out our list of tour dates from the 1992 tour. There are still some dates that we can't confirm venues for. If anyone knows the venue where the following shows took place, please let us know via Email. 04/21/92 Pontiac, MI USA 05/23/92 Melbourne AUS 05/29/92 Seoul S. Korea 05/30/92 Taipei Taiwan 06/10/92 Brussels Belgium 06/12/92 Edinburgh UK 06/28/92 Tel Aviv Israel 07/14/92 Rotterdam Netherlands 07/23/92 Reykjavik Iceland 07/24/92 Reykjavik Iceland 11/30/92 Auckland NZ Also, if you know of any shows that took place between 6/10/92 and 7/30/92 that aren't listed here, please let us know. Really Deep Thoughts -- rdt-ed@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us -- The Official P.O. Box 328606 Tori Amos Columbus, OH 43232 Missy & Richard Caldwell, Editors Fanzine -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 17:03:05 1994 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: rdt-ed@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (RDT Fanzine Editor) Subject: Re: Tori in New Zealand Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) Dean Pemberton <Dean.Pemberton@Comp.VUW.AC.NZ> writes: > > Hi everyone. > > Could anyone help me with the dates that Tori will be playing in New Zealand. > I thought it was 30 November but BASS has no idea of her playing on that date That show has been moved to December 15th. 12/15 Auckland, NZ Town Hall It looks to be the very last show of the tour! Really Deep Thoughts -- rdt-ed@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us -- The Official P.O. Box 328606 Tori Amos Columbus, OH 43232 Missy & Richard Caldwell, Editors Fanzine -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 17:04:25 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (N Richard Caldwell) Subject: sex fantasy Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) althouse@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ann Althouse) writes: > >I think you may have misunderstood Tori's comment. My impression of Tori's > >story was that she was talking about having your clothes blown off accidentl > >by an explosion, gust of wind or whatever, not intentionally ripped off in > >an act of violence. There's a big difference. > > Well, it was described as an IRA bomb explosion. In my book, that's an act > of violence. The difference is "intentionally." Unless the IRA have dramatically changed their tactics they don't plant bombs with the intent of ripping people's clothes off so they can see their underwear. What Tori is talking about is a simple exhibitionist fantasy. Millions of people are excited at the *idea* of "getting caught" in some compromising situation even though most of them would never in a million years *want* to get caught. > My point was that being exposed in your underwear, against your will, in > public is a very ugly and brutal thing. Tori presented it as every woman's > fantasy. I think it's obvious on the face of it that she's exaggerating for the sake of humor. She does that all the time. I hope you don't really think that she believes that it is, in fact, *every* woman's fantasy. If your entire argument is against exaggeration for comic affect you should try one of those nice herbal teas. :) The real fact of the matter is that millions of people fantasize about lots of things that if they were to take place *for real* would be ugly, degrading, brutal or whatever. Some people even act out those fantasies with consenting adults. Tori has talked about that, too (her friend the dominatrix, scalding their weinies, etc). Saying that people shouldn't talk about these fantasies because they're "wrong" is exactly the kind of sexual repression that created these fantasies to begin with! > I guess my central problem is that based on "Me and a Gun" I believed Tori > cared about the issue of women and violence and the underwear story left me > feeling otherwise. I'm sorry that you feel that way. The truth is that there is no way that I can express in words just how deeply Tori cares about this issue. Tori has heard thousands of deeply personal accounts from victims of sexual violence, but she is still moved to tears when she talks to these people. We've talked to Tori about this at length and there is absolutely no question that she is completely sincere. She wants to do more to help these people than she is physically or emotionally able. That's why she started the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network. She can't be there personally to help all the people she has touched, but she wants to make sure that someone is there for anyone who needs help. The Rape Abuse and Incest National Network is available at: 1-800-656-HOPE 1-800-656-4673 Richard & Missy "Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) nrc@bsbbs.Columbus.OH.US -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 17:08:39 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:11:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Colonel Dirtyfishydishcloth <S_BSCOTT@pstcc.cc.tn.us> Subject: Sarah disc Mime-Version: 1.0 I just scored a Limited Edition Live disc of Sarah McLachlan in Toronto. It is a Nettwork release (official) and is really really nice. It has a little bio for each member of the group inside, many pics, and it has 7 tracks, most of them the more common. I could list them later if requested. It was listed at $17, but I remarked that that was steep for a 7 song CD so he knocked it down to $14. The music is fantastic and brought back memories of when I saw her live this summer. Good stuff. Still way behind on digests, Brent -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 17:25:39 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: THE E-MAIL JUNKIE <SHELDON@WindiC.YorkU.CA> Subject: rdt mett Mime-Version: 1.0 -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 17:30:55 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: THE E-MAIL JUNKIE <SHELDON@WindiC.YorkU.CA> Subject: rdt meeting in Toronto Mime-Version: 1.0 If anyone is interested in getting a ticket (just one) to the second show at Massey Hall ( the 10:00 pm show ), we have an extra, and we'll be showing up at Mr Green Jeans in the Eaton's Centre at 5:00 pm. See you there... Sheldon and Dharlene. -------- Next Message -------- [top] >From rdt-owner Fri Oct 28 18:03:11 1994 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 18:05:10 EDT From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) Subject: Re: Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 26/10/94 Part 2 jkeats@FSCVAX.FSC.MASS.EDU writes: >hi again. please refrain from sending me any more stuff, as i do not have time >to read it, and it is taking up space. thank you muchly. tori till death, jenk I took the liberty of sending this guy the 3 months worth of back rdt digests he asked for here. I may have messed up and sent them 2 (or was it 3?) times, just in case. I'll be happy to send them to anyone else who "asks" for them. 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