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Wed, 25 Jan 1995 23:55:05 -0500
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Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 25/01/95 Part 1
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CONTENTS
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Any Badger Tori fans?
Hello, y'all.
Popcorn Girl
Choosing my religion
Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 25/01/95
Me and A Gun 12"
CG and PGY counter stands for sale.
Really Deep Thoughts...
lady tori and her digression court
Sinead (Non-Tori)
Another Virgin Posting
?????
Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 24/01/95
Posting Chords to ToriSongs?
Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 23/01/95 Part 2
More on Tori and Trentypoo.
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 00:31:10 1995
Subject: Re: Quote
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 21:30:10 -0800
From: Greg Burrell <gregb@netcom.com>
Hi All,
> I'm trying to recall this great quote I read once with Tori commenting
> about her music being "dark". It was something like "my generation enjoys
> it's pain and we'll kill anyone that tries to take it away". Can anyone
> provide me with the exact quote?
"I think our generation loves our pain, and if you dare
take it away from us, we're going to kill you."
-Greg ("he writes letters...")
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 00:44:44 1995
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 23:44:46 -0600
From: konitzer@students.wisc.edu (Phantom)
Subject: Any Badger Tori fans?
This is my first post to this very cool.. uh... whatever-it-is. I have about
10 Tori CDs including my prized "Y Kant Tori Read and Other Rarities".
Anyway, I was just wondering if there were any other Tori fans out there from
the Madison area. I thought we might be able to console each other about
last fall's half concert here or just share our rare recordings. Anyway,
feel free to mail me at konitzer@students.wisc.edu. All 4 now!
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* A wasted youth is better by far * Ooooohhhhh yeeeeaaaaaaah ... *
* than a wise and productive old age. * - Phantom *
* -Meat Loaf * (Rob Konitzer) *
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C YA
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 02:40:03 1995
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 23:40:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Thayer <huevos@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Hello, y'all.
Mime-Version: 1.0
This is my first post to this list...looks good so far. All I
can say is that living in Seattle is not conducive to getting good CD's.
While it is true that Tori Amos has played at Meany Hall, about 400 yards
to my right, I have missed both shows due to
stupidity/impossibilities...oh well. About this Reznor for guys/Amos for
women silliness: I'm a guy, I hate Trent Reznor with a passion, and I
love Tori Amos's music with a passion. I'm tired of hearing how Reznor
"speaks for my generation".(Generation X, that is) If anyone speaks for
my generation, Tori Amos would be up there a the top of the list of
representatives. Reznor is down there with Dan Quayle and Newt Gingrich.
About Tori's music: i was surprised that I liked it at first.
I'm a huge Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Meat Puppets, and "Seattle Alternative
Grunge" fan. Tori amos seemed like a departure from all this screaming,
wailing guitar, and flannel B.S. All it took was one viewing of her
"God" video and that sealed it for me. I went and got Under The Pink
immediately, and I was more than amazed. Picking a favorite song is like
saying which type of ambrosia is better: it's all terrific. There are
two noticeable classes of songs on Under the Pink, however: songs like
God, Cornflake Girl, and Space Dog, and then there's Cloud on my Tongue,
Baker Baker, and other harder-to-classify songs which fall in between.
The diversity of this album is amazing to me. Look at Vitalogy, a bad
comparison to be sure. It's mostly the same type of thing throughout.
Under The Pink varies quite a lot in style and message.
Anyway, just had to say something in this, my first and longest
post. I promise not to take up everyone's time so much in the future...I
just had a few things to say.
Alex Thayer
Sleepy in Seattle...
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 03:44:02 1995
From: indigo@infomod.sol.net
Subject: Popcorn Girl
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 19:36:58 EST
DO NOT BUY POPCORN GIRL BECAUSE OF THE SET LIST!
They are all regular Tori songs just with different titles... It's still
pretty cool, but don't be decieved by song names like "I Bei\lieve In
Peace" That's just "The Waitress".
Chri
s
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 06:18:14 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 06:15:02 -0500
From: GrecianUrn@aol.com
Subject: Choosing my religion
>It's Losing (one o), not loosing. Just so you know. It's been driving >me
nuts!
That's me in the bathroom, loosing my pajamas...
I know, I'm awful,
Mike
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 06:44:34 1995
From: Dirk Nolte <don@uni-paderborn.de>
Subject: Re: Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 25/01/95
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:44:07 +0100 (MET)
Hello everyone!
One week ago I bought the Tori-CD Europe 1992. It was live recorded at
Frankfurt-Germany. Don't buy this one! It has a very bad sound quality. First
of all you hear the audience applauding to Tori . Then faaaaar away in the
background there is something like a human being who is singing and playing
piano. After a while you recognize: It's Tori!! So the microphone which was
used to record the concert stands somewhere between the audience. The sound was
NOT taken directly from the microphone Tori was singing in. But, if you are
interested , I can garantie you: It's stereo.
so long ... Dirk
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 07:07:49 1995
Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:29:49 +0000
From: AMURRAY@afb1.ssc.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:31:34 +0000
Subject: Me and A Gun 12"
Priority: normal
I've got a spare copy of theMAAG 12" single. The vinyl itself ispristine,
but the cover is slightly scuffed.
If anyone has any offers over #6, then I'm looking to sell. Or I'll be
prepared to swap for Sarah McClachlan stuff. Preferably CDs.
Amanda
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 07:07:51 1995
Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:43:26 +0000
From: AMURRAY@afb1.ssc.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:45:03 +0000
Subject: CG and PGY counter stands for sale.
Priority: normal
I've got a counter stand for each of th above for sale. They're both in
perfect condition and are slightly bigger than A4 size. Both feature great
close ups of Tori from the UK single releases and format details.
Offers please! (Again, swaps for Sarah stuff will be considered, but I'm
quite attached to both items ...)
Amanda
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BY: really-deep-thoughts@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
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Can you please e-mail me this post again? I am reading this through a gate
into WWIV, and it got cut off due to network file limitations. I'd like to
keep the text online for my users, since my board, Cloud on My Tongue, *is* a
gathering place for local Tori fans... :->
If you have text to past issues, I'd be eternally grateful if you could send
me them as well. You might break each issue into 2 e-mails, so they don't get
cut off again? Thanks a whole bunch.
Elusis
Sysop of Cloud on My Tongue BBS
(303) 494-6592
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99All of us have a bit of the vampire and a bit of the nightingale7 *Tori
Amos
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 07:19:07 1995
From: Anna Sunshine Ison <asison01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu>
Subject: lady tori and her digression court
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 7:17:19 EST
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1]
first, does anyone here ever like frida kahlo, because i think she's divine
lady. was at least, she painted beautiful bloody self portraits mostly just
filled full with meaning like maxwell house only nicer and so full of beauty
and pain you almost fall over and played out an involuntary shakespeare death
scene when you see her works. and she's gotten awfully trendy in the past few
years which i think is slightly nasty Unless, all the people just think she's
a beautiful soulfilled lady and not just that they think everyone cool does.
and even though i think tori Looks more like a rossetti painting, i think she's
very like frida in a lot of ways...in the ways she pulls her life into art and
thrusts it at you and you have to take it because it's so beautiful at the same
time and then hang it around your neck. and i like them both a great deal
because they both have that deliciously black humor. fraught is a nice word.
fraught with symbolism.
and then, a dear friend of mine may actually win the publisher's clearinghouse.
because when she got Her you may already be a winner letter, they followed up
on it and she had to sign a paper that said she wouldn't say to any papers or
tv stations that she might win and had to give directions to her appartment.
and when a friend showed her picture to tori, she said "oh she's so Cute! give
her a great big hug for me." so now is your chance to see my lovely friend in
person. watch after the superbowl and if a lovely goth lady opens the door
shout yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! and clap your hands bigly.
and this is also the week i find out if i go to brazil this summer so hope
for this too my loves. it's important.
morning fishes
sunshine
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 08:43:57 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 8:42:02 EST
From: "mark allen" <mallen@ets.org>
Subject: Sinead (Non-Tori)
Anyone know if there is a Sinead O'Connor mailing list out here on the
Internet? If so, what's the subscription address? Thanx in advance!
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 11:17:29 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:48:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: Colin Pickett <ee2cjp@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Another Virgin Posting
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Hi Guys,
After lurking for a couple of months I've finally decided to make
my first posting. I've been listening to Tori's material for two years
now, and like so many other people it's had a profound effect on my life. I
bought LE purely on the recommendation of a girl I used to know, and I
haven't looked back since - Maybe I'll get around to thanking her one day!
Desperate to get my hands on more Tori trax, over the past few months
I've been trying to get my hands on CD singles. Don't know if this is
true elsewhere in the UK but my local HMV seems to have found a nice
sideline in selling american Atlantic imports at extortionate prices.
I've so far got 'God', 'Winter' - Limited Edition with Lyrics, and
'Crucify' (This one cost me 13 pounds stirling - More than a new
copy of LE or UtP). However, it doesn't seem able (or willing) to
sell the normal EastWest UK releases. Being a student isn't condusive to
having to pay out these sums of money, so can anyone suggest a way of
getting the normal EastWest UK releases at normal prices? (Manchester
Vinyl Exchange is a bit too far from Bath!)
Abby @ ucsu - If you can get hold of UK EastWest imports, Sugar is
available on the 'China' CD single (Along with Flying Dutchman & Humpty
Dumpty). Don't know about US releases. And it's worth getting it just for
Sugar, (one of my favourites, but unusual for its Synth as opposed to
Piano accompaniment).
BTW, Thanks to whoever suggested Kristen Hersh - Got 'Hips & Makers' a
few weeks back and it's ace. Even felt compelled to buy Throwing Muses'
new release (University) because of it. Different styles, but they are
both definite growers.
Any other ways of disposing of my student grant?
CJ
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 11:39:32 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 10:37:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Keri Lin Csencsits <keric@strauss.udel.edu>
Subject: ?????
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This is really bugging me, since I've seen the reference in several
discussions of Space Dog and I know I've heard the word before... exactly
what is, or are, the "illuminati"?
Thanks,
Keri
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 12:07:49 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:05:59 -0800
From: Colin Michael Davis <spiral@psyber.com>
Subject: Re: Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 24/01/95
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Hilow, everyone. It's really really early in the morning for me to be
writing this, but amazignly enough, I'm in a wonderful mood, so I thought
I'd throw my $0.02 in for this ish of RDT.
On the subject of A Particular Person's Relative Reality: Well, I know
she's at least as real as I am, and much nicer besides. Quit picking on
her. As in, NOW. :)
On the subject(s) of Tori and Trent, girls and boys, Roast-meet-Alice,
etc.: Wellwellwellwellwell, now we get to see where sexism really DOES
creep into our lives, don't we? I was introduced to Tori's music by a
couple of female friends, which might be a telling point to some people
until you consider that I had _Pretty Hate Machine_ played at me for the
first time back in 1990 by a female friend of mine, and most of the NIN
fans I seem to meet are female. Seems like they appeal to different
things in different people, and I keep meeting people who like both Tori
*and* Trent's music, which just makes me smile really big. Get ahead, go
figure, go ahead and pull the trigger... :)
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 13:49:29 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:48:15 EST
From: jws5@Lehigh.EDU (Justin Solonynka)
Subject: Posting Chords to ToriSongs?
Hey folks-
As I am a patron of rec.music.tablature, I was wondering whether there are
other musicians on rdt interested in swapping chords for ToriSongs which have
not been published. For example: I have figured out "Flying Dutchman" and
"Here. in my Head" with reasonable degrees of accuracy.
Would anyone be interested in my posting these? And, has anyone out there
figured out "Honey" or "Daisy Dead Petals" as a trade?
(Or, for a real challenge, how about "Butterfly"?)
Direct responses to jws5@lehigh.edu or to the whole list.
Peace,
Justin
justin sol | "but it did not occur to cain that killing his brother
jws5@lehigh.edu | would cause his brother's death"
fauna canzona | -jean claude van itallie
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 14:42:06 1995
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 14:33:29 EDT
From: "kmccalli" <kmccalli@IUSMail.IUS.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Really-Deep-Thoughts digest 23/01/95 Part 2
hey everyone...um...let's see...i'll start off first with my
name--kira and i have been subscribing to rdt for about the
past 4 months but i never really understood how to send a
message--i'm kind of new at all of this internet stuff so
please bare with me... thanx!
anyway, i was just scanning some of the messages and i
came across the tori/trent thing and though i have only been
to one tori concert and have all of her albums including why
can't tori read, i have been to three nin concerts and i
have to side with whoever it was that said that trent's
lyrics are more identifiable to me personally.
well i'm going to go to my class now and i'm interested
severly in the following:
vampires, gothic anything, nin and trent, atlanta,
"parties", tori of course, and sandman and death and neil
gaiman....
if anyone has anything aobut the above please write.
thanx! bye!
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>From rdt-owner Wed Jan 25 15:09:59 1995
From: armand@netcom.com (elana)
Subject: Re: More on Tori and Trentypoo.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:08:54 -0800 (PST)
Mime-Version: 1.0
The mailbox went creak, and I found a message from
really-deep-thoughts@gradient.cis.upenn.edu:
- -=>
- -=> From: Paul N Tabachneck <pt2g+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Tori 'n' Trent
- -=>
- -=> Tori is for girls and boys; however, Trent is for girls and boys. They're
- -=> both for everyone. Let me show you how they fit together: T = Tori N =
- -=> Trent TTTTTTTTTTTTTNNN Wit TTTTTTTTNNNNNNNN Fury TTTNNNNNNNNNNNNN
- -=> Loudness TTTTTTTTNNNNNNNN Sadness TTTTTTTTTTTTTNNN Silence Where Trent
- -=> favors the Anger, Tori draws herself in. The two are like parallel
- -=> people. I almost wonder if Tori is the "Pretty Hate Machine" (and I hate,
- -=> and I hate, and I hate...)
- -=>
- -=> They're like two gloves; when you have both, it makes sense.
I would have to sertiously disagree with the "ratings." I think Trent draws
himself in in a different way than Tori does. You only see parts of Tori and
parts of Trent. None of us (unless were' good friends of one or both of them)
KNOWS either of them. We just know the music (qand, judging from thisd
"assessment", in obviouslyt varying degrees).
Tori's music never fails to make me cry. I can't listen to it much anymore.
Trent's music never fails to make me angry. I can't listen to it much anymore.
But I think trent is very witty, maybe you don't see it (understandable), and
he uses silence particularly well in his music (See "ringfinger" "mr. self
destruct," "march of the pigs," "the downward sprial" "help me I am in
hell..", etc.).
What Trent uses to a great extent in his music, I think Tori has as well, but
she hides it.
I also think vice versa is true.
Thanks for listening,
Elana the piggyfucker
- -
_____________piggyfucker armand@netcom.com_______________
"there's no one out there, no one like me..." -Sarah M.
Trent- "open my eyes wake up wake up wake up in flames!"
"here's mine: 'you haven't got laid in a long time-- in
bed.' Oh, I'm surprised. I didn't know that."
-John Stewart, having fortune cookies with
Quentin Tarantino
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