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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 01 : Issue #1462 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o I write the B-sides [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ] I like my vagina and I cannot lie... [ BaBy AnGeL <arielha@juno.com> ] Did I spell that (w)right? [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional ] whore/slut [ violet@torithoughts.org ] Midwives [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional ] bummed [ violet@torithoughts.org ] The song "Mary" and exploding grapes [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional ] I'm being very vocal tonight. [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional ] after all, its still the same [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] a spell of bad whether [ utown <utown@worldnet.att.net> ] reading as fast as I can [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] lucas with the lid off [ arija <arija.weddle@yale.edu> ] I need life advice... prolly noone c [ winterlion <winterlion@fsj.net> ] speling [ violet@torithoughts.org ] GesSiKu [ "Bonnie J. Wayne" <bonnie@emrtc.nmt ] ___________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ Really Deep Quote: none today ___________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:27:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I write the B-sides Hi everyone, and especially Jim who posted these thoughts: Quoting RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>: > At the end she did a song about Mary that I have not heard before. If >anyone > knows about a song about Mary, let me know. There's a song simply called "Mary" which is on an LE-era boot that I have. I believe it was a B-side on one of the LE or early-UTP singles. > Tori has generated over 100 songs including covers, mainstream albums, and b- > sides. She can do three concerts and never repeat a song. I don't know > anyone else generated so much music other than Joni Mitchell. Really? How about Springsteen? Dylan? REM? Lennon & McCartney? Jagger & Richards? Heck, I even have over 70 Smashing Pumpkins songs and I only have 4 of their albums! I have to agree with Bonnie's reply to Jessica's post about spellings and suchlike - sure, it's a bit annoying when something turns up mis-spelled in a digest, but not really anything to get het up about. And it's not always correct to assume that because somebody reads well, they necessarily write well either. Linda wrote: > Neurobio is fun and BEAUTIFUL. I wish I could express how excited that > subject gets me. I think it's really excellent that you feel so strongly about your subject. Personally, I am in my fifth year as a university student and have never felt that way about anything I have studied. Congratualtions on finding your calling. I guess mine must be out there somewhere, waiting for me to stumble across it one day. Take care everybody Matt ---------- "A careful man tries to dodge the bullets, while a happy man takes a walk" - eels -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:37:39 -0700 From: BaBy AnGeL <arielha@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: I like my vagina and I cannot lie... I'm finding this gynecology / slut thread very interesting. Although some people's feelings are getting hurt by Ade's slut ideas, it's a nice flame-free discussion. And all I did was ask Jess what a pap smear was! Odd how some threads get started. Jessica warned in #1450: > if you're a guy and you have a queasy stomach, SKIP THIS EMAIL!!!! UGH no kidding! I'm a girl and I didn't have a queasy stomach, well, I didn't until I read this. She went on to explain, > ok, babyangel. the pap smear thing. they take this long q-tip thing > and swab > the side of your cervix I'll never look at Q-tip in the same way again! Well, I don't want to see a gyno, at least right now. it's not like I'd have much say in it, because my mom has decided to make me go there anyway. So wish me luck peoples. I really have no reason to go to one, since I'm not sexually active and I don't have menstrual problems. And I'm not 18. Won't be for a long time. I think my mom is just doing it because she knows it will traumatize the living shit out of me. So, yeah, she's sending me to Torture Chamber tomorrow. :-( About the slut thread, I think that while Ade's definition of a slut is harsh by today's standards, there is a difference between actually "being" a slut and behaving sluttishly. So maybe she considers it a little sluttish to have sex three days a week. I dunno, I really hate the word "slut". It's a generalization and a painful label to tack onto people. I don't have a definition, but I have an idea of what a slut is, and if someone seems like a slut to me (which takes a lot, mind you - a lot more than having sex 3 times a week), then I will have a reason for it. For the most part, though, I think that judging someone by their sex life is just stupid. Care said in #1457 that making love is a beautiful thing and if you're in a good relationship then it's a nice way of physically expressing your affection. So true. But I *do* tend to judge some people by their sex lives, and those people are usually the people at school who brag about their one night stands all the time. No offense to anybody...but I just find that a little hard to respect. Greensleeves said in #1458: > I like my vagina. Wow. That took guts. Speaking of vaginas, ADE! when you do meet your southern V-girl, I hope you become great friends. I'm not really the best of friends with the V-girl either (but at least I've met her, ha ha ha). The only body parts I really like are my feet, belly button, and hands. Backtracking to #1451 in which Annachie said: > ðThat makes me furious. ðIt is YOUR body and YOUR > decision. I completely agree. I even said that to her but she said "Not while it's living under MY roof it's not." (?!?!?!) > Anyway, the official word is that you should go at 18 unless you are > having > sex or are having major menstrual difficulties. My mom seems to think I'm a slutbag. I guess that explains it. Just discovered that my wonderful, adorable, marvelous sister Emily has used the last of my tampons to make hammocks for her dolls. Look, I have to go now. BaByAnGeL ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:17:56 -0700 From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Did I spell that (w)right? Jessica said: "Clearly not many people on this list started reading as early as they said and some people never learned to read. Come on, use your email spellcheck and don't irritate the rest of us with your lack of intelligence." This gave me a chuckle. I don't have a spell checker on my e-mail (e-mail programs have spell checkers? must be microsoft), and unless it's a term paper I'm writing--I'm too lazy to check for spelling or look something up in the dictionary. So, you'll just have to put up with my misspellings (did I spell that right? hehe). I am only an egg, Roxanne, The Nutty Baker -- "When attacked by anger and hate, become like WATER: fluid and flexible. Water cannot be broken, it changes form effortlessly and is impossible to defeat. It will eventually and always overpower whatever it faces." --Bumbleananda (1434-1535) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:19:49 -0800 From: violet@torithoughts.org To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: whore/slut jewel wrote: >i read a book once called "the ethical slut." the author of this book >manages to elude me at the moment, but he/she gave a very interesting >insight into the terms "whore" and "slut." the author defined the terms >this way (definitions snipped) The definition I heard when I was a teen is still the one I like best. And it makes perfect sense to me. A "whore" charges money for sex. A "slut" gives it away. <heh!> Of course both terms always refered to those who were "promiscuous" rather than the people who were having sex with a long-time partner. So your mom wasn't a slut just because she had free sex with your dad. And she wasn't a whore for having sex with your dad when he bought her a new car. ;) Which reminds me of something I've been meaning to mention for a while now. Remember when we had the fun convo earlier this year about what constituted "being promiscuous" and what the word meant? I was reading Ask Isadora a few months later, and she had the greatest definition. She said something like, "Promiscuous is when I've had more partners than YOU think I should have." And that's really how it is, isn't it? It's not something based on reality of a situation, but on our own personal perception of it. Which is why one person can think someone who's had sex with 10 people is promiscuous while another will think "Wow, that's all?" Violet xoxox -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:40:02 -0700 From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Midwives Greensleeves wrote: "ÝMaybe this isn't a widespread thing yet, but here in Tucson it seems like all the major hospitals have midwives working for them. Legal midwives are actually Nurse Practicioners (did I spell that right?) (RN's w/ a Master's Degree in Nursing--there are several areas of nursing care that you can get a master's degree in). These nurses are specially trained in the areas of maturnity care and delivery. They are valuable to any nursing staff in a hospital. Most large hospitals (especially Women's and Children's hospitals) will have at least 2 on staff. I'm considering going into the nursing profession, so I've been researching a lot about this. Roxanne, The Nutty Baker -- "When attacked by anger and hate, become like WATER: fluid and flexible. Water cannot be broken, it changes form effortlessly and is impossible to defeat. It will eventually and always overpower whatever it faces." --Bumbleananda (1434-1535) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:16:37 -0800 From: violet@torithoughts.org To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: bummed This is my angst-ridden whiny-ass message. I'm so bummed. October -- my very favorite month -- is over and it was hardly even here! I've been so busy I didn't even have time to enjoy it. Crap. Now we're moving into the holiday season, which is my other favorite time of year, but even that's been getting more and more stressful for me as each year goes by. So I'm becoming more ambivalent about it. In order for me to enjoy the holidays (and to be able to get my full October bang-for-my-buck enjoyment as well), I have to have time to stroll, to sit in cafes, to look around, to watch the various holiday specials and movies. Just plain old-fashioned time to "stop and smell the roses." And things just keep getting crazier every year and there's less time and energy for such things. It's all about racing around, trying to get everything done. Every activity is overshadowed with a horrible "hurry up so we can get where we need to be to do the next thing in time!" manic quality. I hate that. I normally spend all of October immersing myself in all things pumpkin: pumpkin bread, pumpkin coffee, pumpkin pie, pumpkin soup, pumpkin candles, and my biggest tradition and excitement is attending the Pumpkin Festival with my mom and spending a week or two over there. But this year, while I went to the Pumpkin Festival, it was nearly 100 degrees (we were having a record-breaking heat-wave and it was awful), so that ruined a lot of the ambience and also forced us to stagger back to the car hours earlier than we normally do. I had a couple of cups of pumpkin coffee at Borders. But that's it. No pumpkin soup, no muffins, no bread, no pie, hardly any Halloween-y movies or specials (though I taped a ton of stuff and will just have to have "Halloween In January" or something). I was too busy to even light any of my pumpkin-scented candles, which I *always* do! And this was the first time I've never done a Halloween edition of Story Time. WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED?!?!?! I didn't even make it all the way through "Nightmare Before Christmas" -- one of my biggest annual traditions! -- before conking out. I'm going to be spending all of November trying to right all these wrongs. <heads off to dig out brand new -- and as-yet-unopened -- bottle of The Body Shop's "Pumpkin Tangerine" oil bought two weeks ago to use in the oil burner> I *will* do the pumpkin thing, dammit! Violet xoxox -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:46:33 -0700 From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: The song "Mary" and exploding grapes j mathers said: >At the end she did >a song about Mary that I have not heard before. ÝIf anyone knows about a >song about Mary, let me know. Tori has done this song before. It's on the bootleg "Tori Amos Uncovered" which was put together during The Under The Pink tour. Ok, now I'm caught up on digests. Oh! Interesting factoid of the day: (Don't try this at home kids) Apparantly grapes explode in the microwave. Cool. Each day I grok a little bit more. Roxanne, The Nutty Baker -- "When attacked by anger and hate, become like WATER: fluid and flexible. Water cannot be broken, it changes form effortlessly and is impossible to defeat. It will eventually and always overpower whatever it faces." --Bumbleananda (1434-1535) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:47:30 -0700 From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: I'm being very vocal tonight. Steve The Sweet Fat Man wrote: "(snip) bad spelling does not necessarily indicate a lack of intelligence. I've known plenty of really smart people who couldn't spell for shit." This is very true. My husband is dyslexic and is terrible at spelling (it's worse than just flipping letters around), but he is one of the most intelligent people I've ever known. He is practically a self-taught Linux/Unix Systems Admin--no college whatsoever. You can see why he rocks my world hehe. I myself am bad at spelling words that I don't usually encounter in my everday world--especially those words that are so long they seem to never end (What's that Mary Poppins thing? Supercalifragilistic...something or orther) Steve also wrote: "OK, I'm off to write a paper on suicide for class. I sure know how to have fun." I'd be interested in reading that paper in the furture. My brother shot himself in the head, and since then I've had this morbid fascination about suicide. Boy, am I a strange little girl. I am only an egg; eventually I'll grok, Roxanne, The Nutty Baker -- "When attacked by anger and hate, become like WATER: fluid and flexible. Water cannot be broken, it changes form effortlessly and is impossible to defeat. It will eventually and always overpower whatever it faces." --Bumbleananda (1434-1535) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:49:03 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: after all, its still the same You'd like to think That things, like trees, Grow, and branches and feelings Fall down from the gravity of Situations. But nature's clear: Everything stays just the same. Still, the same. And eruptions destroy Civilizations And the sea devours Ships And each right note of music Brings your image Back to me. We may have grown Out of our different paths And the hurt that we provided. But I'm still the small, Frail boy That sees in your arms A promise. e. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:09:24 -0500 (EST) From: utown <utown@worldnet.att.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: a spell of bad whether Linda said: > On that note, I'd have to say that some people are getting very snippy > over this whole gyno topic, It is a strange thing to get argumentative about. If a woman's body is her own, then it's certainly up to her how (or if) she wants to take care of it. People can make suggestions, but it's her decision, not theirs. I'm pro-choice in this area, too. Bonnie said: > It's more important to read what they are trying to SAY than to get > hung up on typos! Calling people unintelligent for this?! It's a common misconception, that spelling is related to intelligence. It's not. Mostly, good spelling shows that the writer thinks spelling is important. A friend of mine was very troubled as a teenager, and his parents sent him to live with some other relatives. He wrote long, tortured letters to his mother, trying to explain who he was and how he felt. She sent them back with the spelling and grammar corrected. And, much more importantly, equating good spelling and grammar with intelligence shows a certain amount of arrogance, since English is not everybody's first language. Wonder how most of us would do if RDTRN posts had to be in Spanish, or another language? Beth said: > No, it doesn't. :) Perhaps it's time to revisit the sex ed materials? I thought only guys were supposed to be confused about that. :-) I had an advantage, early on, in that one of my first girlfriends had a very large clitoris (the size of the first two joints of my pinky finger), so I had no trouble finding it. As B/4, John -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:20:27 +1100 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: reading as fast as I can Greensleaves, my local hospital has a 'birthing centre' as well as the usual delivery rooms. The BC rooms are a more homely environment and are meant for those wishing a more natural birth (ie if you know you want the drugs, you may as well go to a normal delivery room, thoug BC's do have gas and um... something else, it's just in a cupboard), and they had baths, whether you simply used them for pain relief or for delivery is up to you. However, despite all the hand rails above the double bed, the bed wasn't adjustable (if you want/need it). If/when the time comes, check around your local hospitals and such like (there are midwife centres etc around too) EARLY ON as they tend to be in high demand. Especially for Sept due dates I noticed... Oh, and yeah, our health care systems are very different, but in public hospitals here you only have a doctor delivering your baby if there are complications. The midwife delivers, a doc comes in and checks the baby out and that's it. (of course, if you need stitching up, a doc does that too). When I had Tiarna, we initially went in to the hospital at about 9pm at night. The contractions stopped in the car, and while the midwife said that is common, they hooked me up to a monitor for about 10 mins and when the contractions didn't return, told me to go home and sleep (that Tiarna had also gone back up (she wasn't head butting my pelvis any more) also had something to do with it). I thought it was a bit of a quick diagnosis, and thought they treated me rather rudely. We were back about 3 hours later, and there'd been a change in shifts and I got a much nicer midwife, so in the end I didn't mind that they had initially sent me home. I have heard some horror stories, but I guess if all else fails request a change of staff. Andrea, I have to admit that the monthly bleeding has generally been a bit of a nuicance for me, but 'ritual sacrifice' is a great way to look at it. I have heard others trying to put a positive spin on it before, but they never suceeded in getting me to be positive about it, but your comments changed that. I think it's rather clear that this list has menstruation fascination. Let the blood talk flow! ;) Winterlion suggested all religions be taught in schools, and Tara said that would mean some teacher would ahve to learn about them all (which I interpreted as 'someone who is already teaching will have to learn all this new stuff so the kids can be educated), but they could get one person already with a background (probably a degree so that the ptb feel better about it) in comparative religion or whatever visit schools on a weekly basis and pehaps not get into the nitty gritty of each and every religion, but at least give everyone a better understanding of things. That would be better than another option: rotating the instructors (we wouldn't want 'he said, she said' stuff spiraling into anything). I was jsut thinking this week that instead of designating a religion for Tiarna's religious edication at school, I say she hasn't got one, but that that time should be spent reading books etc about different religions. Though having someone knowledgable to discuss it with would be a bonus. Ade, would you still hate sliced turkey if I made a turkey, cranberry sauce, avacado and cheese sandwhich for you? Especially if I used camambert cheese? I can't believe I got Tiarna on to those. I shouldn't get my daughter hooked with expensive tastes. Mirrors are good for getting acquainted with vaginas. Pumpkin bread... heh, since it's nto exactly pumpkin season here, I haven't made any for a while, but I did make some for the Syd Tori party (pumpkin pj's, get it? Next year I plan to make gingerbread people (ginger is always sincere), and decorate them in pumpkin pj's. :) anyway, whenever I make pumpkin bread, I end up with half of it on my hands. I figure I haven't let the pumpkin drain enough, or there's not enough flour in the recipe. Something to tamper with next year. Ade, I used to be identified as 'the twin with messy hair' (it was usually back in a plait, when it wasn't in hundreds of them, but i had the front loose, as opposed to Kay's smoothly combed do). I s'pose I got off lucky with that, rather than 'the twin with fucked teeth'. Kay was 'the twin with an 's' on her arm', as she had a cyst removed and the doc decided an 's' shaped inscision would put less stress on the scar when it was healed. And I used to refer to a friend in high school as munchkin 'coz she was short. But when they have pretty stock standard names, you have to find a nickname from somewhere I guess. 'This guy, Richard Handal...' that cracked me up. I wonder if he's currently reading... well, I'm finally caught up again. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.envy.nu/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.envy.nu/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:31:11 -0500 From: arija <arija.weddle@yale.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.com Subject: lucas with the lid off the best song EVER. re: choral arrangements of tori. well... er. hmm. http://www.yale.edu/somethingextra/repertoire.htm my a cappella group does china. click on the thing to hear a little bit of it. (and it's me singing it.) sorry, was that gross? i happen to think the arrangement is beautiful (i didn't arrange it, i just sing the solo.) re: halloween! so much fun! me and a bunch of my girfriends dressed up as "alternative" barbies - i was punk rock barbie, complete with fishnets on arms and legs, skirt shorter than life, ripped up shirt with anarchy symbol drawn over a happy face, pink wig, and of course, giant boobs (added, of course). went "liquor treating" as is the custom here at the upstanding educational institution that is yale university, and then went to an amazing show put on by the symphony orchestra, whereby they make a movie and play a soundtrack in front of it. and what a hangover this morning, but all worth it. kissing a boy in a wig - and he looked hot in a dress. ah, halloween. arija np: garden of simple, ani - love this cd, love audiogalaxy ************* b o d y look closely at the letters. can you see, entering (stage right), then floating full, then heading off -- so soon -- how like a little kohl-rimmed moon o plots her course from b to d --as y, unanswered knocks at the stage door? looked at too long, words fail, phase out. ask, now that body shines no longer, by what light you learn these lines and what the b and d stood for. -james merrill -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: winterlion <winterlion@fsj.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I need life advice... prolly noone can help but zannen da ne? it seems no matter what I do I stick myself with all kinds of trouble. Now it seems I'm going to be homeless for a while *deep sigh*. I don't have the knack for finding work that other people seem to. One wonders sometimes if it's worth the bother to try to support oneself. Or do anything really. *deep sigh*. it seems as though every time I try to find work with stuff I know how to do it fails. I'm no longer sure I can do anything well that would make it possible for me to work. I mean, I can solve problems with the best of them... providing it's nothing to do with my own life *wry grin* So what do you do when you're up the creek? When there's nothing you can do - or there's nothing you -think- you can do? I need to get out of this mess I'm in. I can stay at a friend's place for a bit. (my computer's going there so I'll remain online). I think I can get some help putting my stuff into storage. I don't know what employable skills I have. All I know is if I'm stuck anywhere where I have to do nothing for extended periods of time, my mind starts self destructing... I just have this strong impression there's no place for me in this world. Anyone out there in neverneverland have any advice? Off for now, hoping to grin soon... Hope your year's better than mine. Wouldn't take much. - Winterlion -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 04:26:13 -0800 From: violet@torithoughts.org To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: speling Bonnie wrote: >The statement "I happen to know her to be a--well, let's just say that >Tori won't be winning any spelling contests anytime soon." bothers me. >Is this person practically best friends with the goddess or something? >Extremely doubtful. Tori is a notoriously bad speller. She plays pretty fast and loose with the punctuation, too. It's been a source of much amusement for a lot of the fans over the years. Richard, in particular, has always gotten a kick out of it. Because her medium is not the written word, she's not overly concerned with things like spelling. It just isn't critical to her. Violet xoxox -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:03:47 -0700 From: "Bonnie J. Wayne" <bonnie@emrtc.nmt.edu> To: Deep Thoughts <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: GesSiKu Jessica: It's really big of you to apologize. It shows you care about people's feelings and that's what's really important. I'm sure you'll find that we're a very forgiving lot, right guys? -- Bonnie J. Wayne Technical Editor Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center 801 Leroy Place, Socorro, NM 87801 bonnie@emrtc.nmt.edu o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Our Customers Come First, But We Like To Get Off, Too digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? 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