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Date:
Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
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RDT Right Now #1860
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1860
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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tori on nick news repeat [ ein kleines kinnemuzik <woj@smoe.or ]
Aging [ "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> ]
my major crush [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
a thought/question [ cyndi.crawford@juno.com ]
Fighting Dragons (or Baby Crushers) [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:50:39 -0400
From: ein kleines kinnemuzik <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: tori on nick news repeat
according to the tv listings at yahoo:
Nick News
NIK Sep 29 06:00am
Series/Family, 30 Mins.
Episode #9811.
Peanut allergies; singer/songwriter Tori Amos; attention-deficit
disorder.
Original Airdate: January 23, 1999.
Future Airings:
Nick News, NIK Oct 01 06:00am
it's a repeat but it's also something that most people probably missed
the first time around. nickelodeon's website is less than helpful so
who knows if this is actually correct. we shall see....
woj
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:36:54 -0400
From: "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com>
To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Aging
Aging is something we all face. During the process of aging we go through a
series of thresholds. Each level leads to the next level. My granddaughter
Morgan at 6 months has past the threshold of rolling across the floor. We
go through these thresholds and never look back. Tori turned 40 and appears
to be somewhat upset by it. At 40 something strange happens, you are no
longer young. You are not old but you cannot fake it and be young again.
Also something else happens. After a life of thresholds you start a series
of reverse thresholds. You suddenly cannot do things you could do before.
These reverse thresholds go on until some day you are in a nursing home and
you are back to where my granddaughter is now. We hate to face these
reverse thresholds but go on with life. At age 10 I reached the threshold
of riding roller coasters. I do not want to face the reverse threshold. So
last weekend my son and I went to Kennywood here in Pittsburgh. I spent
most of the night ridding the roller coasters. After about 15 rides, I
convinced myself that I have not reached this reverse threshold and quite
the suffering and pain. I went home in pride.
At 62 you are officially old. The US government says you are old and
collect social security payments. As much as Tori can no longer be young, I
cannot be anything but old. This presents some strange manifestations. I
went to a Microscope convention in Santa Antonio, TX. In years past I would
spend the week going to papers on all kind of topics to gain new knowledge.
However, now I am reminded of the movie "Peggy Sue Got Married". Peggy Sue
at age 40 suddenly became a teenager and went back to her High School days
with full knowledge of her adult life. She was sitting in a math class as
confused as she was the first time though. In frustration she exclaims to
the teacher that she knows for a fact she is never going to use this stuff!
I am ready to retire after 48 years in the workforce. As I looked at the
list of papers at the convention now, I know, as did Peggy Sue, that I am
never going go use most of that stuff so I do not waste my time attending
the papers. A younger person has no idea where their career is going so
they need to prepare for all possibilities. They have all these grand
illusions of their future. In my case all the grand illusions of my youth
are being replaced by selected snap shots of reality.
I had another crises on the flight home. As my wife sat on the aisle seat
and I in the middle seat, a really cute 21-year-old young lady practically
sits on my lap as she took the window seat. The song "Don't Stand Too Close
to Me" started ringing in my ears. X-ray vision and my imagination went
wild. She was just too cute and too close. I then realized that wealth and
power are no avail, there are things in life that I will never have! Damn!
Both Tori and I have moved our future hopes to the next generation. I have
spent 33 years as a parent. Labor day weekend we met my daughter and family
in New York City. As we arrived at the house a freaky person walked past
me. At first I thought that my son-in-law has a freaky brother I did not
know about and I then realized that it was a girl. I then thought he has a
freaky sister I did not know about. After a few seconds I had had a major
shock. I realized it was my daughter! 62-year-old physicists are suppose
to be bald but your 33 year daughter is not. The only other time I cried in
public was at a Tori concert during "Here in my Head". I made a quick exit
to the rest room and pulled myself together. The question of why Judy has
cancer bounced in my head and there is no answer. Her cancer is under
control and she is almost through with treatment. My future hope is in Judy
and it is difficult seeing the possibility of this hope falling apart.
As I said, my granddaughter Morgan is 6 months old and there is a major love
affair going on here. I did an article a few years titled "An Afternoon
with Tori" where I played with another baby named "Tori". In frustration at
that time I tried to pan my son off on the young ladies on this list to get
my own granddaughter. My son is still available but the crisis is off and I
have my granddaughter. I envy Morgan in one way. At 6 months she lives
only in the present. Her life is driven by biological needs. Once these
are satisfied, she can enjoy the moment to its fullest. She is incapable of
worrying about the future but only lives the present. Worst case scenarios
are not going off in her head every few minutes. As a tradeoff, she is
completely dependent on others for survival and I do not have that luxury.
With time her life will be perverted with the guidance of her family and she
will gain all the anxieties of the future we face all the time. Her concern
for the future will never go away. Maybe some time in the distant future
she will have experience a series of thresholds and reverse thresholds and
her mind will be gone and the future will again disappear.
Old is when you look in the near future and see things you do not want to
see. I look in the obituary and see list of people my age and ten years
older dying of natural causes. Life is not infinite anymore. You don't put
off things you want to do in the future but you make every effort to do them
now. Aging is always with us. We don't really notice it until it's late.
Aging is like an analog clock without a second hand. As we look at it, we
do not see it move. But only when time has past and we re-examine it do we
realize that valuable time has been lost forever.
Have to end.
Jim Mathers jmathers@westol.com
Footnote:
A few years ago I did an article on backdoor methods that started all kinds
of discussions on RDT. A few weeks ago 70% of all e-mail traffic in the
world were from backdoor methods.
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 01:17:49 -0700
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: my major crush
In case i haven't enlightened y'all before, my major crush is mike shinoda
from linkin park. he is the most beautiful speciman on the planet. hot hot
hot and mother fuckin MARRIED. married married married! :*( he is the
rapper/MC for linkin park. so hot. i love his voice. it entrances me when i
listen to LP. i want to get hybrid theory.
my friend moved in today to my house. she went to japan this summer and
bought me all this great hello kitty shit. it's so cute! and cheap! i gotta
go to japan now! she got my roommate a bunch of hamtaro stuff too. i got
hello kitty cookies shaped like.........hello kitty! next time i get stoned
i bet i'll eat all of them, LOL. i gotta go to japan, cuba and brazil next
summer. there's my elaborate traveling goal. oh and australia because my dad
is taking me. :D
anyway...now that my love for mike shinoda has been professed again i bid
everyone a good night, good morning or whatever.
fucking ducks beat michigan. ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHH!
-jessica rhodes parsons acissej snosrap
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:21:06 -0400
From: cyndi.crawford@juno.com
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: a thought/question
howdy everybody.
here's something to think on.. long story short, the story behind
this is I'm having some issues involving my belief system. BIG belief
system upheaval, and it fucking sucks. :-\ anyway, this question came to
me while I was showering. (har har. it's THE best damn place to be
introspective, I kid you not. try it sometime.) anyway..
if somebody came up to you and asked "how do you pray?" and didn't accept
"I don't pray" for an answer and didn't mean strictly the way Christians
pray... (in other words.. that person would also accept the way a Wiccan
prays for example)...
how would you answer?
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
"I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in
cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a
sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:00:16 -0400
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Fighting Dragons (or Baby Crushers)
*warning --Rant Ahead*
So I mentioned this Poli Sci professor, right (maybe)? He's the interim
advisor for the Peace Coalition (even though he's a heavily conservative
republican) and was the one who said the "department has deep pockets" as he
pledged money for the Peace Party in Oct. Now this guy was the teacher who
broke my 4.0 out of spite (gave me a B+, long story, but it was pure spite
in the end), and we almost got into it last March at a teach-in about the
war. It's always been a little bit of an advisorial relationship, but in
the last three weeks, he's been super cool. He agreed to speak at a
teach-in I'm organizing for Wed the 24th ("The Importance of the Individual
Vote" is his topic) and was my very first victim, er, guest on "Meet the
Professors" last Monday (taped for my Wed show). It was really fun
interviewing him, some of the things he said blew me away. He was once a
working musician in a rock band called "Turk and the Baby Crushers".
Working 4 or 5 nights a week. Man. You'd never think it to look at him.
This dude is required reading at Columbia for christ sakes! (I found out by
googling him) So he was telling me about the paper Columbia students have
to read being about spreading capitalism throughout the world, thereby
spreading freedom.
"But don't you think maybe other cultures have a different definition of
'freedom'?" I asked him.
"They're just wrong." he replied in all seriousness. *wow* And then he
says his biggest turn off are people who aren't open to other ideas, who
already have their minds made up. Guess people really do hate the things
they see in themselves. No matter what he said, I smiled or laughed, said
"OK" and moved on. No argument from me.
Wednesday night I send the six professors on my teach-in panel the list of
the topics and who is speaking.
Don: A View of the Ultra-Right
Jim: The Bush Administration and the End of the Public Good
Bart: Afghanistan: Winning the War?
Allen: My God, Your God? Media's Treatment of Religion
Maynard: An Inside Look at Prospects for Peace
And Mr. Poly Sci/Baby Crusher. I had said a few days before that I wouldn't
hold it with less than six panelists, and I'd prefer more, especially of the
conservative bent to even out the panel (which is liberal loaded as you can
see).
Thursday Night I got an email from him (heavily edited):
"I am afraid that I made a mistake in committing departmental funds to
support a non-departmental student activity. <snip>
I also regret to inform you that I will not be participating in the
"teach-in" scheduled for the 24th.<snip> The "program" lacks
coherence and I suspect that it will simply provide some of the panelists
with an opportunity to reprise the polemics unfurled at the last
"teach-in."<snip>"
You have to respect someone who is consistent. And he has consistently been
a prick. The parts I edited were educated name calling and excuses. He
signed it simply "Thanks". You are Fucking welcome!
No, I will not cancel the Teach-in. *I'll* freakin' speak on the topic if
need be! No, I will not cancel the Peace Party. I will march up to the
President of the College and beg her for the money if I have to! And I will
kill the motherlovin' prick with kindness! I'll be so nice to him he won't
know what to think. Leave 'em confused, that's my motto. It's the best
revenge, truly.
OK, I think I feel better now. Thanks for letting me get it off my chest.
See ya on the flip side!
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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