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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 04 : Issue #1916
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o What will become of me, o
o Become of her, become of we?" o
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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Re: RDT Right Now #1903 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1904 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1905 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1906 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
rdtrn 1907 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1908 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
rdtrn 1896 [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
correction/retraction/recanting [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
correction/retraction/recanting re: [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:35:03 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1903
>
jim- mutant chicken is a common thing around the Ukrainian city of
Pripyat.
re: reagan and the 80s: the climate back then was dangerous enough that
I went through a phase of deep cover/hiding in plain sight.
Unfortunately, I too took part in pro-American, anti-soviet,
pro-nuclear activities. And regrettably, I too was an advocate of the
winable nuclear war concept.
Not a matter of actually believing it, but a matter of survival. But
it was something that went out of control and took years to dismantle.
I'd like to think I'm doing enough to make up for that past- but it's
hard to get past the regret. Sometimes I wonder if I should have taken
a huge chance and stood up back then.
Not blaming other people, but feeling driven by everything around me to
do lots of things I never was proud of.
On the other hand, I must admit I enjoy the irony of knowing that so
many people had their worst enemy in their midst, right under their
collective noses.
great poems bethey :)
>
> *** If Thine Enemy Offend Thee, Give His Child A Drum digest ***
>
violet, that's a good one!
Simon
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:59:42 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1904
winterlion wrote:
> Next you know, we'll
> be naming kids after Tori songs. *wide grin*. I possibly would -
> except my
> family names after other people in the family so probably not.
>
on a different level, but a couple of years ago when I got Juno I was
having to explain that honestly, I *didn't* base the name of my dog on
a Tori connection ;) And no, I didn't name her after an ISP either ;)
>
> you got it. From the world leader in propoganda - recently marked off
> as
> the best (and largest) producer of propoganda in recorded history. The
> United States of America.
>
At least we don't have those parades with tanks and missiles on trucks
rolling by, like the Russians used to do. Something Freudean about
big rockets on trucks.....
I compare the propaganda of the US media to the "Ministry of Truth" in
"1984"- lots of war coverage and the war(s) had been going on so long
that no one questioned the real state of things- war always almost
nearing an end but never quite there yet.
And if it's not the war, it's political crap.
I've said it before- watch US news, then listen to radio (shortwave or
online) from other parts of the world, and you'd swear you've been
hearing the news about two totally different planets.
> - Marijuana party - oops that one's BC provincial. Anyways... *g*
>
So if they win, and Marijuana is made legal, will the Canadian flag
have to be modified? ;)
Ein Volk! Ein Musik! Ein Goddess! ;)
Simon
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:41:17 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1905
happy birthday holly :)
>
megan wrote:
> I
> spent the last 2 weeks on two different diets
try my personal favorite: the empty refrigerator diet ;)
good poem!
Simon
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:54:55 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1906
>
happy birthday Rikki, and Pete
>
>
beth wrote:
> Subject: Dancing in circles on the kitchen floor
>
sounds like Juno around feeding time ;)
>
bethey wrote:
> I wasn't real thrilled with the
> handgun on the nightstand, the rifle in the corner and the Uzi in
> another
> corner.
There's an old Chinese saying: "Power comes from the barrel of a gun".
Might have been said by Mao though. Seriously, guns left lying about
like that aren't a good thing. I'm all for people being able to
protect themselves, but does one really need an Uzi to scare off
burglars?
>
>
brian wrote:
> I don't really have any feelings regarding Ronnie in either way. From
> the
> outside, he appeared to be both a statesman and a strong leader, which
> is
> something your country is sadly lacking at the moment.
>
Well, the minimum age one can run for US President is 35, and I'll be
38 by the '08 elections......
>
> One thing I remember vividly about Reagan's time was when he was doing
> a
> sound check and said, "We start bombing the Soviets in five minutes."
> I can
> remember the fear that surrounded the world at that time and the
> threat of
> nuclear holocaust. In my book, even the threat of terrorism in this
> day and
> age pales in comparison. And there's still a certain scene in
> Terminator 2
> I can't watch to this day.
That and several other films are hard for me to watch. For that
matter, one of the more chilling aspects of the '03 remake of
"Battlestar Galactica" was the manner of the Cylon attacks on the
humans' homeworlds- nukes instead of laser-armed fighters as was
depicted in the 1978 original.
The one major reason such depictions in movies always got to me was
because of dreams I had- in one of them I awake in my parents house
(this was years ago) on a *cold*, overcast morning, and finding the
house cold because it was open to the outside cold, with the windows
blown out. I headed outside and saw that it was a very dark grey
morning with snow falling. We don't get snow here in the winter- and I
started getting a feeling of total dread about what had happened. I
somehow made my towards the downtown area and as I got closer I kept
seeing cars stalled along roads, stopping in their tracks. The reality
of what had happened hit when I got to a rise on the road- and saw that
most of downtown had been destroyed- buildings either collapsed or
standing but on fire. The "snow" was the nuclear winter everyone had
talked about, meaning that the destruction everywhere had been so
massive that all the fires and fallout clouds blocked the sun. And
then I saw the people in radiation suits going through the ruins and
loading dead bodies on trucks- endless stream of trucks. A city this
size, such an attack would leave nearly a million people dead or dying
from radiation effects. Only a dream but I remember it like I
witnesses something real- I mean it was in full color, and I actually
*felt* the bitter cold and could smell the acrid smoke in the air. And
I could hear the dead silence. It drove home a sentiment of that
period: would surviving be worse that dying quickly in the initial
attack?
Another dream- it took place years after the war- I'm with a tour group
being shown the rebuilt downtown area, totally different buildings had
been built, but the main feature of the tour was when the group reach
an area of downtown that had been left in ruins as part of a huge war
memorial. It included what was left of the Tower of the Americas, the
bottom third or so, the rest of it had been blasted apart or vaporized
the day of the attack. And then we came to a huge wall, where the tour
guide explained how the names of everyone who had been killed that day
were carved there. This thing was massive- big enough for a million or
so names. I got the same feeling of utter dread- not wanting to go
closer to read the names for fear of finding names of people I knew.
Even nowadays I don't like winter mornings. I get reminded of what I
saw in that dream.
Later on there was a dream I had in '96 where I saw the Columbia
disaster- it actually made it through re-entry but crashed on the
runway in Florida, and almost immediately CNN started reporting about
how it had been sabotaged and quoting the President about immediate
retaliation against those responsible. At that point I could hear air
raid sirens wailing outside- apparently US missile forces were
launching first, and all the while the camera never moving away from
the shot of the crashed shuttle burning on the runway.
Always hated the sound of the sirens- back in the summer of 1988 the
ones here actually were triggered by a power surge from a lightning
strike during a storm. We didn't know until the next day that it was
accidental and not the storm being worse than it actually was.
And am I the only still nervous when hearing passing planes outside?
>
> *** Oh, These Little Earthquakes digest ***
>
or big ones if you watch cheesy disaster flicks!
Simon
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 01:03:43 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: rdtrn 1907
>
estraven- excellent posting about the state of things economic in the
US. One thing that has me excited about future graphics work is that
while the money might not be anything to brag about, there are lots of
possibilities for independent work outside of having to rely soley on a
regular job.
One aspect of being low income and unemployed I can relate to is the
fact that while there are social programs one can access for help,
long-term it's very difficult to be part of those programs and be
attempting to make one's situation better. Last year I decided to go
back to school, and quickly noticed that caseworkers wanting to meet
with me didn't seem to get it that the reason I couldn't make the
appointments they set and then "required" me to attend was that those
were days I was in class or otherwise very busy working on a project or
assignment. There's rent assistance for low-income persons, but the
local housing authority seems to not give the full story about where
one might live- some people can't find a place to live after they get
there assistance voucher because many apartment complexes that *do*
accept those vouchers from prospective tenants aren't even mentioned in
the housing authority's own info they hand out. In terms of job
placement, the focus is totally on low-level and low-paying jobs
regardless of someone's skills and expertise- and even more so when
it's a disabled person seeking job help. I've met a disabled woman who
worked for the state's "Rehabilitation Commission", which is meant to
be an agency that gets disabled persons into jobs, but in reality
aggressively sees to it that their clients are pushed into really
shitty jobs with shittier pay so they're working full time but are as
broke as they were staying home collecting disability payments. The
woman I talked about- she herself seems to express nothing but contempt
for other disabled persons, and at one meeting with her told me
directly that I needed to forget college and accept the various food
service or clerical jobs she was already "assigning" me to, on the
grounds that, no shit, a disabled person with any education past high
school makes her job of finding someone work more difficult. I've seen
it myself- disabled people I knew I saw at the local college a long
time ago who nowadays have their degrees but ultimately are off to work
each day in restaurants, or secretarial work, etc., not allowed to put
their education to use.
Pardon the ranting and the bitterness, but it galls the hell out of me
seeing smart people screwed out of opportunities by the people who are
supposed to be allowing them to better themselves. So there are a lot
of disabled persons with the education and drive to work in a good job
but are ultimately stuck doing nothing work and either forever living
with their parents *or* out on their own but still needing the rent
assistance because the job doesn't pay well enough. And then advocates
turn about and talk about how rotten things are for people with
disabilities- when in reality the really dirty secret is the internal
discrimination that occurs, and they swear up and down that
opportunities suck because the public at large are the bad guys. The
ones who have landed good jobs are the ones who took a chance and
struck out on their own.
My experience over the past year in pursuit of the graphics degree:
long ago disassociating myself from the "disabled community" and slowly
moving along on my own, I've gotten further, and I've gotten nothing
but positive reactions to my work in classes so far, and all around
just getting along great with people I've met. My enthusiasm and
commitment stand on their own and I've never once been put in a
position to second guess that.
Again, pardon the rant.
What's really inexcusable about what's going on is the low pay soliders
have to put up with.
john commented about farenheit 9/11:
>
> He doesn't show anything. Everybody (except me) has seen those images
> hundreds or thousands of times, so he just plays the soundtrack, the
> planes hitting, the confusion, the sirens, with a completely black
> screen.
For some reason it reminds me of the final scenes in both versions of
the film "Fail Safe" (1964 and 2000). No bomb actually seen going off,
just the sound of an incoming bomber and then a phone going dead.
Simon
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 01:51:39 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1908
>
happy birthday Roxanne and Estraven :)
>
brian wrote:
>> Next you know, we'll be naming kids after Tori songs.
>
> Isn't doing that to pets enough already?
>
as I said, I swear Juno isn't found anywhere in a Tori song! ;)
>
koba visiting Sydney? And no advance warning! ;)
>
> Koba was travelling with an orchestra from Florida
> called Tallahassee Winds,
There's a really bad joke in there somewhere, re: current events.
>
> I also splashed out on a Pocket PC during the week. I'm sure it'll
> just end
> up being an expensive toy, but I principally bought it so I could read
> e-books as I'm short on space for real ones.
I've been wondering about whether or not e-books are worth the expense.
Lots of books are in e-book format but what sucks is that *some* are
only in the exclusive Winblows format and not available for Mac OS.
Overall I like the concept, but it would be nice to be able to have the
option of reading any e-book I get on my Mac. Or for that matter, if I
get a Powerbook later on, I'd like to have e-books on the go.
Anything portable I get later on I'd like to have compatible with my
iMac, and I'd rather not deal with Winblows just to get around one of
the rare times something isn't an option for the Mac.
Now if e-books could be downloaded to a Palm Pilot or PDA that would be
cool- something compact and I could still get the kind of laptop I want
later on without worrying about having or not having a portable means
of reading.
did you ever get the Pocket PC to read the number 4?
>
winterlion wrote:
> Subject: ever find out that a lot of people around you are lying?
>
yes. they're called politicians.
Simon
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:55:21 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: rdtrn 1896
From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com>
Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 5:03:07 PM US/Central
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: RDTRN 1896
happy birthday heidi and linda! :)
and thanks to all of you for the birthday greetings in July.
>
john wrote:
> They drink it here, that's for sure. I hardly see a banker at work in
> the morning without their cup.
I've always wondered if it's the coffee they like or the image factor-
trying to look "hip" with that big Starbucks coffee instead of drinking
regular (and cheaper!) coffee in the smaller non-logoed cup.
>
> In the US, you can get Krispy Kreme donuts at Statbucks. Thereby
> getting
> your caffeine rush and your sugar rush at the same place.
>
can you get auto-injectors of insulin there too?
> Alanis
You know, I wish the people of Toronto would build a huge monument to
her...
so that we Toriphiles could storm the city and tear it down and drag it
through the streets.
And then do a remake of Farenheit 451, using her CDs as props.
> and also recently saw the League
> of Extraordinary Gentlemen. And a plot that really makes
> no sense. The cast is pretty good, though.
>
I felt the same way- interesting concept but too top-heavy on the
effects.
I wonder if it's a genre to itself- the whole "alternate history/steam
engine technology is high tech" concept I mean. Same thing with the
"Wild Wild West" movie a few years ago. For that matter I'm reminded
of the anime film "Last Exile"- interesting mix of 19th and early 20th
century tech, made to look "futuristic".
>
the resident succubus megan wrote a most a bizarre dream indeed!
emelie, may those thieves go to hell so fast their screams are doppler
shifted.
later!
Stilson for President!
Simon
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:07:56 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: correction/retraction/recanting
retraction of material from posting "rdtrn 1897", 9/6/2004.
this is the corrected version of that posting, please disregard the
original:
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1897
> happy birthday Ade :)
(text re: healthcare-related comments/personal account
corrected/retracted/recanted/deleted)
bethey wrote:
> for I have many thoughts
> regarding the prisoner abuse scandal in regards to Pax Americana (a
> newly
> realized American Empire in the lines of the Roman Empire).
>
Only calling it that because calling it "Oceania" would get them sued
by Orwell's estate.
jim wrote:
"Dead Like Me" is about a young lady, George, who gets
> killed by a toilet seat flying in from outer space and instead of
> going to
> heaven, she becomes a grim reaper.
Interesting concept, an angel of death who isn't a cloaked, beckoning
figure caring a sickle. I'm reminded of a couple of old "Twilight
Zone" episodes.
I've seen a couple of episodes- might look for it when they're out on
DVD.
>
glad to hear about your daughter's recovery.
This semester is off to a good start. Second drawing class is
interesting, and I'm really psyched about the History of Communications
Graphics course I'm in. Finally a chance to use that jump drive to
move files around (better than a zip disk!) ;)
And in the process of one drawing I was doing here at home, I learned
that dogs don't hold still for pictures ;)
Palpatine for Senate!
Simon
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:20:58 -0500
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: correction/retraction/recanting re: posting re: rdtrn 1907
posting follows. corrected version posting 9/7/2004 disregard
uncorrected version:
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
Date: Tue Sep 7, 2004 1:03:43 AM US/Central
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: rdtrn 1907
>
estraven- excellent posting about the state of things economic in the
US. One thing that has me excited about future graphics work is that
while the money might not be anything to brag about, there are lots of
possibilities for independent work outside of having to rely soley on a
regular job.
(correction):
But I have no illusions about my talent or expertise now or in the
future, and in fairness to legitimate artists, it would be a mockery of
art for me to classify present or future work on my part anywhere
nearly as good. I have the highest level of respect for real artists.
(comments re:jobs/disability issues/personal experiences re:
disability/self aggrandizement retracted/recanted/deleted. text
reclassified offensive/self-aggrandizing/manipulative)
What's really inexcusable about what's going on is the low pay soliders
have to put up with.
john commented about farenheit 9/11:
>
> He doesn't show anything. Everybody (except me) has seen those images
> hundreds or thousands of times, so he just plays the soundtrack, the
> planes hitting, the confusion, the sirens, with a completely black
> screen.
For some reason it reminds me of the final scenes in both versions of
the film "Fail Safe" (1964 and 2000). No bomb actually seen going off,
just the sound of an incoming bomber and then a phone going dead.
Simon
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