RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1656

RDT Right Now #1656

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:34:27 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1656
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1656 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o shades of joni conquering [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] cellar door [ "Succubus Barbie" <delirium1479@hot ] Tori Add-On [ cyndi.crawford@juno.com ] really deep thoughts [ Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> ] a little bit of ... [ arija.weddle@yale.edu ] Re: RDT Right Now #1655 [ "Grzegorz Pawlowski" <sup330@msn.co ] VH1 Classic [ "Julie Patrick" <hippi@hotmail.com> ] Neil/Tori update [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] clubbed to death [ "Succubus Barbie" <delirium1479@hot ] This is Megan! [ Megan Auffart <Abulia@imaterrorist. ] i'm meeeelllting! [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] low place like home [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On June 29th in 1994, Tori on Letterman, Tori's live tempo, ticket tribulations, and bootlegs. In 1995, more Sandman casting. In 1999, self mutilation, more MPD. In 2000, depression, schizophrenia, and answers to the Really Deep Question "If you could have anything happen to your body after you die, what would you want to occur?" [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:06:49 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: shades of joni conquering Bethany said: > i think Joni is anything BUT burned out. > or retired, for that matter. Even apart from Joni's continuing creative life, I think it's generally true that musicians don't retire. Professional athletes retire, and so do ballet dancers, but musicians, novelists and painters don't, because they don't have to. I've seen quite a few jazz musicians give terrific performances in their 80s and 90s. What does happen to older musicians is that the styles change and they can't get radio play and sometimes they can't get record company interest, but that's a whole other question. And sometimes older musicians work at a more relaxed pace, like Joni, and take more frequent breaks. But even Leonard Cohen and Robert Fripp, who take religious retreats lasting several years at a time, come back. I've seen musicians *announce* retirement, of course. I remember Sinatra doing it more than once, and Bowie, too. But it never lasted. I think Streisand has announced her retirement recently, too. We'll see. This comes up here periodically when people panic that Tori will stop playing or stop touring, now that she's married/has a kid/has money/whatever, but the only musician I can think of who just stopped, even though he was still physically and mentally capable, was Cat Stevens, and that's a pretty unusual case. As B/4, John -------------------- "in this land, right now, some are insane, and they're in charge." -- the gang of four -- _______________________________________________ Download the free Opera browser at http://www.opera.com/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:46:31 +0000 From: "Succubus Barbie" <delirium1479@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: cellar door Hola mes amies! Everyone. Go see 'Donnie Darko'. NOW! It's the greatest movie ever made that's currently in the 'new' section and everyone must go see it because it is absolutely amazing. And it helped me learn who Graham Greene is! Yay, learning! I decided last minute not to buy a learn-hindi-from-tapes set at borders and instead bought a Francesca Lia Block book and 3 chocolate hazelnut balls, plus some steamed milk. Steamed milk is yummy! Especially with flavoring! I love Borders. If Borders were a man, I'd marry him and have little baby books and over priced coffee. ...That'd be a really painful labor, don't ya think? Especially the coffee, if it's scalding. Ow. How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.geocities.com/Delirium1479/index.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:35:04 GMT From: cyndi.crawford@juno.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Cc: Subject: Tori Add-On Hey everybody! I'm coming out of my shell long enough (while in Oklahoma for just ONE MORE WEEK, more or less..) to ask this: Tori is making a new album.. so that, hopefully, means a new tour. She's gone solo (her and her piano), she's gone with a band, what next? What would YOU guys like to see happen with the new tour? special effects? magic trickery? more Tori-audience interaction (example: Tori brings someone up onstage for a song or something like that)? What would YOU like to see happen? -- Cyndi S. Crawford ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Me <winterlion@greycloaklabs.ca> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: really deep thoughts except I don't bleed. well not that way anyways... read Ursula le Guin's "The Dispossesed" for strangethoughts.... *g* cheefooska writes: > funny how winterlion can come here and sometimes say nothing nearly > and I enjoy reading what he writes mostly anyway. *g* thank you *bows* on dealing with addiction: i have little experience... but my friends and I have been following the last bit - "I love you, I am hearbroken to see you like this, I know your will has been overcome by this disease (the addiction) and.." "I will be there for you.". We've let this person know and are providing (I hope) a much better place. At least she's more interested in being around our fun than her old life so far... *g* Have to see how this goes... generally a person doesn't break free unless they -want- to - so much they're willing to change _everything_ and mean it. Have to see... > and, by the way, my dreams are satisfying ones *yay* *happydance* everyone's should be :) May your life slowly match your best dreams then :) > I got the hugest craving to watch Labyrinth... I love that movie. Random maze-shaped world? :) *yay* Labyrinth one of bestest movies!!!! > *** Naugahyde Is Murder digest *** *scratches head* I thought Carrot juice was murder? Oh wrong song... am here and not-here someday this one will find someway to be close The horned king calls - I must ride with the hunt. Our pack is forming, a new dream has begun... We may be not-what-you-expect but we are wild and free... umm the last bit's a story kinda but maybe is pure random :) strange otherthoughts ever had a night when all of a sudden while doing something sportsy (like medieval dance :) you suddenly start sweating so bad you have to take your shirt off 'cause it's basically just plaster anyways? It's very strange I spent half of dance shirtless 'cause of this... and this doesn't happen even if I cover myself in furs :) G'day, eh? :) - Winterlion in randomness... -- May all your dreams be satisfying ones! What is courage now? Is it just to go until we're done? Men may call us heroes when they say we've won but if we should fail, how then... What is courage now? - Fellowship Going South by Leslie Fish sung by Julia Ecklar Member in the wild hunt standing of the Mad Poet's Society. Trying to bring truth from beauty is Winterlion. find at this <a href="http://wintersgift.com">winterlions' page</a> (well more or less Winterlion's page :) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:43:59 -0400 From: arija.weddle@yale.edu To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: a little bit of ... jim mathers: i'm sure my sentiments are echoed when i aver that i enjoy all of your posts. they are always well-thought-out and you have a certain gift of storytelling. but as i was reading your most recent one, i found this: >Remember that virginity can be the key to locking a relationship that >lasts a lifetime. Many throw away this key foolishly. this is not a flame, but i'm sure you will pick up on that. this phrase and this idea about virginity seems like such a strange thing for you to say. i always thought your posts to be thought-provoking and substantial. these two sentences confuse me, though. i'm not going to argue with you about viriginity, etc; you are entitled to your opinion. i'm just curious . . . do you actually believe this? and why? you don't give much mention to your own thoughts, just a cliched idea that seems to be coming out of a more conservative generation. any further explanation of your thoughts would be much appreciated. also, have you heard joni's live album "miles of aisles"? i love the way she does "both sides, now" on that. when she sings "now old friends are acting strange/they shake their heads, they say i've changed" she adds resolutely, "well, i have!" i think it's wonderful. e.: i really like badly drawn boy. my favorite song is "the shining", with the 45 second cello suite at the beginning. so i am currently frustrated at weezer for being a pack of whores. i saw weezer two years ago at a place in providence, RI, called Lupo's. it was a pretty small venue, and damn if we didn't pack ourselves right good into it. (i dont think my feet touched the floor the entire time.) needless to say, the show was amazing. now, two years later, i have the opportunity to see weezer again, but this time it's at the meadows music theatre in hartford, ct, a venue about 30X the size of lupo's and one where there are theatre seats and lawn seats. just to give you an idea, this is the same theatre that i saw britney spears in two years ago. so weezer, small intimate emo band who loves their grassroots following, now playing at large multi-million dollar arena... i mean whatever, good for them for making it big, but why's it gotta suck for the fans. woo, sitting on the grass, watching weezer on a giant tv screen, woooooo. koba: ridiculousness on the pledge of allegiance thing. i watched cnn at the gym yesterday, and for all 45 minutes on the treadmill all they talked about was this "controversy". worse, all my yale friends are taking sides on it. (just give the fuckers something to argue about, oh, they will.) (p.s. come into new haven and we'll go out for sangria and the best nachos in the world and talk about something else, i promise.) and finally, i borrowed the first two seasons of SEx and the City from a friend on DVD, because i'd never seen it. wow. what completely shallow and one- sided characters. what one-track minds. what an amazing, AMAZING show. arija -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:28:55 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Pawlowski" <sup330@msn.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1655 bethany wrote: " do not insult the musical goddess that is Joni Mitchell as long as I am on this list." bye " i'm guessing you probably haven't heard her more recent stuff. check it out, especially "turbulent indigo" " Got it for R12-00 on sale, wich is more then a tenth of its recommended price. There were about 20 lying in the bargin bin. If that dose not prove something then I dont know what will. I admit that its a creatively superb cd, but that dose not mean its freindly to the ear. "ps. i don't think Tori is burned out either, btw, i just don't like the last few albums she's put out. burnt out would imply going creatively dry, which Tori appears to be anything but." Anyone who releases a cd of covers, needs a huge creativity injection Just because I liked her first four albums dose not mean I have to like the direction of her last two. I still think that tori is the musical goddess, I just think she has lost a bit of the magic that I fell in love with. george "I don't believe in baptism or waters of Jordan or anything like that, but I guess I feel about a hot bath the way those religious people feel about holy water." -Sylvia Plath, The Bell Jar http://theblue.artshost.com/ MSN - sup330@msn.com AIM - sup330aim@netscape.net YAHOO - sup330yah@yahoo.co.uk -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:23:21 -0500 From: "Julie Patrick" <hippi@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: VH1 Classic Just saw "I Don't Like Mondays" on VH1 Classic. So this was the Boomtown Rats version and man they're cuties! Hah. Very interesting, though. I've also seen the video for "Real Men" on this same channel. Classic Rock forever, Julie _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:12:54 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: torinews@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Neil/Tori update As always, from: http://neilgaiman.com/journal/journal.asp Friday, June 28, 2002 Spoke to Tori yesterday about the new album, and mentioned that I was ready to say something about it in the journal. She's just finished putting the 60-piece strings on the album, is really excited and happy and up, and asked me please not to say anything publically until I'd heard something closer to what the finished CD is going to be like, with all the instrumentation on all the songs (as what I have on the skeletal CD she gave me is pretty much just piano, and some guitar, bass and drums). Also several songs on the version of the CD I've heard are in the process of moving to another place, and a couple of songs that were going to be in another place have moved onto the CD (including one song I loved when I heard it in Florida). I told her it would drive people waiting for news nuts (she said to give everyone her love, I forgot that bit), but I really do understand: she was one of the people I sent American Gods to in rough draft, a chapter at a time, while I was writing it, and I would have frozen and worried if anyone had started talking about it publically before the manuscript was at a point I was comfortable with, no matter how nice the things they were going to say. So I'll wait a few weeks until the somewhat more finished CD arrives.... I'll say I'm thrilled and excited, though. And I'll say that it'll be a long time until October. (and later) Lots of FAQ queries asking if I was the song I was talking about in the last post was "Snow Cherries From France". Nope -- as far as I know that's still unrecorded. I was thinking of another song, one that, for a good while there, wasn't going to make it onto the album (I'll tell you which one, once the title and the tracks have been officially released.) -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:41:21 +0000 From: "Succubus Barbie" <delirium1479@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: clubbed to death Hola mes amies! Beth wrote: "This is definitely a book for people who are interested in old books, especially old occult books. Anyone who can understand the passion that goes into hunting down antique grimoires can probably get into it, and anyway, it's a murder mystery at its heart." Wait, wait. Are you talking about The Ninth Gate? If so, that was a damn good movie. And that is all I have to say, except for the fact that I have a party going on tonight. Have none of my email messages gone out? I don't think they have. I hate and loathe hotmail. I'm off to find me a brand new address. How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.geocities.com/Delirium1479/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Megan Auffart <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: "Ade E Conway" <Alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>, Kathy <Delirious_Dreamer@juno.com>, Christy <kep49@alltel.net>, Heather <knabehel@notes.udayton.edu>, Laura Foster Sorokes <Laura67359@aol.com>, Cousin Kitty <Pretty_Kitty101@hotmail.com>, Really Deep Thoughts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>, Leanne! <xleanneo@hotmail.com>, Yiwei College Address <yxj122@psu.edu>, Cousin Nathan <Zeon_Dragonslayer@hotmail.com>, Elise <Elise2683@yahoo.com> Subject: This is Megan! Hola, people, I've changed my address, so even if you never email me, should you feel the need to, please feel free to contact me at Abulia@Imaterrorist.com . Isn't that a funny address!? (*Looks around at the people staring at her like she's insane*) Okay, so _I_ found it funny, but then again, I've also been accused of bad taste many times before, so you can just chaulk it up to poor humor. Anyways, email me here from now on should you feel the need to! Thanks. Oh, and by the way, hotmail is evil. They sold my address to spammers and then wouldn't even send my messages. Stupid stupid service! How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: i'm meeeelllting! e. wrote: "I just want to ask, has anyone heard of Badly Drawn Boy?? This guy is fucking awesome! How can anyone heard of him and not be discussing him? I just found out, so I'm excused from not discussing, but shame on you, all that had and didn't say a word. You shall suffer the eternal flames of selfish hell." AAAHH!! I'm going to burn in selfish hell!?!? Holy crap. Yeah... I have the "Hour of Bewilderbeast" cd... the same friend that introduced me to Tori and a variety of other good music told me about Badly Drawn Boy, so I downloaded some songs, and actually ended up buying that cd. One of the very few cds that I've deemed worthy of purchasing in the past few years. The first song that I listened to of his was "stone on the water", and I would have to say that it, along with "epitaph" are my two favorites. Something about the intro music really does it for me. It was also the first song that I'd heard by BDB. So much love in his music... quite beautiful, to put it way too simply. *** One Nation, Underdog digest *** Haha, another good one. Speaking of which.... wasn't "under God" just tacked on in the 1950s because President Eisenhower wanted it? I don't really think that I have a problem with the removal of that phrase, especially it was an addition to the original. Calling the pledge unconstitution still doesn't sit very well with me, though. The whole point is to pledge allegiance to our country, not to squabble about religion. I've heard enough people complain about the "God" issue that maybe we'd recognize our unity better without it, and understand the true meaning of saying the pledge without worrying about one teensy little three letter word. I am so fried lately. I doubt I'll come out with anything that even moderately makes sense, so I'm not going to try. Where's Bonnie? HELLOOO???? Out for now, daydreaming about getting a really good massage... ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:59:37 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: low place like home Bethany wrote: > i'm a huge cow? you're such a bitch, beth. that was low. i DO NOT weigh > over a ton, though the height is pretty close to correct. I hope I don't have to remind you that my name's Bethany too. I don't weigh a ton, either, but sometimes I sure feel like it. Koba wrote about the decision on the pledge. He and I chatted about the decision the other day, and I don't have much to add at this point. Here's what I wrote yesterday in my journal: I know this topic has been on the tip of everyone's tongue. When people ask me what I think of the pledge being ruled unconstitutional, I've been saying, "Well, it's a good start." I haven't said the pledge for a long time, and here's why: it's a lie. The pledge is intended as an oath of loyalty to our nation, but how can we swear loyalty while using words that are false? That, to me, is one of the most offensive things I can think of. To break it down, we are not "one nation, under God" (we are not even one nation: what about places like Puerto Rico?). We are not "indivisible." We do not have "liberty and justice for all." It would be awfully nice if we did, but we don't. The more we continue to force kids (and adults) to say these words, the more we marginalize those who do not agree with the words included in the oath. And the more we marginalize people, the less those words are true. Matt S. wrote: > thanks beth for the info on the sneaker pimps album, i'll put it on my > list of "things to buy when i feel like a splurge". i am assuming that > "splinter" is available in the u.s. too - it's a consistently very good > album and everybody should buy it (well perhaps not everybody but...) It's not that readily available. It's available as an import through amazon.com and presumably through record shops, but of course imports cost more. So the few places that do carry it would charge more. :( > *** One Nation, Underdog digest *** Squirrel Gout Cookie time: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200206/df20020612.jpg Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** http://www.imagemakersart.com/entwistle-01.html digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? 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