RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1667

RDT Right Now #1667

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:39:13 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1667
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1667 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o the mp3 thing [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] Success!! [ "Doug Smeath" <heyjupiter1@hotmail. ] math.. *retch* [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] all about ME! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] yeeks!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Re: RDT Right Now #1666 [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] "She's Come Undone" [ NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional ] She's Come Undone. [ CruelGrl18@aol.com ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 13th in 1994, someone posted the texts of articles about Tori from the Wisconsin State Journal, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Minnesota Star Tribune and the Akron Beacon Journal. In the last article, the reviewer wrote: When one man shouted he wanted to marry Amos, she told him he wouldn't because she has too many problems. She asked another admirer if he made good spaghetti, because that was all she was interested in. In 1996, a member posted a fantastic review of Tori's July 11 concert at the Paramount Theater in Oakland. He wrote: Contrary to some recent speculation on this list, Tori is HAPPY. She's ebullient, jiving with the crowd like I remember from '92. The shows I saw in '94 were, I believe, closely post-Eric-breakup. Seeing her tonight and remembering her then, it strikes me that she was just miserable. And now she isn't. Yay! In 1997, one member asked: "Did Robert Plant somehow predict the rise of Tori Amos?" In 1998, there was a lot of discussion about people's favorite and least-favorite songs on "Choirgirl," and, for some reason, a lot of talk about Tori's cover of Jimi Hendrix's "If 6 Was 9." [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Beth Winegarner Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:09:39 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: the mp3 thing Brian wrote: > That article was always going to go in one direction after that quote. Well, yeah, although that wasn't the beginning of the article. :) Did you read the whole thing? I'm sort of curious. While I agree with your arguments against what she said, I do think her point -- that there has not been a very good study of napter&co's actual effect on people's buying habits -- is true. I've seen some articles suggesting that it's causing the slump in music buying, but none with real evidence to back that up. For example, one article I read studied music sales at a chain music store in a college town. It assumed 1) that college students were downloading lots of mp3s and 2) that they would normally go to the local chain music store to buy their music. I don't know about anyone else but even when I was in college, I didn't shop at chain stores. And a lot of people these days buy their music from online sellers, especially if they're already online listening to an mp3. My habit tends to be: listen to mp3s, put album on amazon wish list, and then either buy it on amazon or from my local, independent record store the next time I happen to be there. (Or, if I don't like something, I won't buy it.) So I think it would be a lot more effective to actually ask lots and lots of folks who DO regularly download mp3s whether it has led to an increase in their buying of music. A lot of the people I've talked to have said that it has, but that's hardly a a good sample. I do think that record companies are so hell-bent on believing that mp3s are the reason sales are slumping that they're not willing to look at whether that's really true. Ian's article goes into a lot of other issues, anyway, since she also talks about how record companies totally shaft artists and the generally monstrous behavior of the major labels. I think it's good to read the whole thing and then think about the complete picture (which is not complete, as it's written from one perspective, but as she says in the beginning, she did hundreds of interviews with people to prepare that particular piece). For those out there who are opposed to mp3 trading, how do you feel about record stores which sell used CDs? Artists do not make money off the sales of used CDs except indirectly -- if you buy a used CD and you like it, you're more likely to buy other albums by the same artist, and conceivably some of those would be full-price sales. Sales of used CDs do not help artists get into the charts or generally reflect in the artist's total sales figures. But on the other hand, many people want to protest the behavior of the music industry, especially the escalating and ridiculous prices of CDs, and one way to do that is to buy used (or buy online, although I think the ones you shaft when you buy online is the seller, not the publisher). Unfortunately there are not a lot of ways to use your dollars to protest the major labels without also hurting the artists -- except insomuch as artists do not make most of their money off record sales, anyway. Anyhow, the article does into some depth on all this (except the topic of used CDs), which is why I mentioned it. > Just about all on-line CD retailers have samples of every song off an > album. That is only advertising to get you to buy it. If you need more > than that to decide if you like an album or not, you're probably too > fussy. I'm not so sure about that. I listened to System of a Down's samples on amazon.com and they were so crappy-sounding that I thought I wouldn't like the CD, and therefore didn't buy it. However, my brother played it for me recently and I *really* liked it. Had I been able to hear the whole songs with better-quality audio, I might have gotten the album. I'm still planning to, but I've had that experience a number of times with amazon. It just doesn't really give you a clear picture of what an artist sounds like. For me, sometimes one small part of a song will make the WHOLE SONG more enjoyable for me, where if I just hear a 20-second snip of another part, out of context, I might not enjoy it so much. Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:16:19 -0600 From: "Doug Smeath" <heyjupiter1@hotmail.com> To: bradshaw@utahutes.com, rentheadut@hotmail.com, tracibrianne@yahoo.com, coleyrynn@hotmail.com, CARMALEEJACK@aol.com, sackercu@hotmail.com Cc: toasted_cow@yahoo.com, maryshackelford@hotmail.com, missborg@yahoo.com, scottyslc@yahoo.com, sbenanti76@yahoo.com, teresa@biology.usu.edu, heyvickyrose@hotmail.com Subject: Success!! Hey everyone!!! (Some of you may be scratching your heads for a minute, because I think I am sending this to some people that I forgot to send this to last time... Bear with me.) I have some really good news!! 3 Percent Hero, my little brothers' band, has made it to Round 3 of the American Idol contest on 94.9 ZHT in Salt Lake!!!!! Which means you can all go vote for them again to send them to Round 4! For those who didn't get the original e-mail, the radio station is doing a contest to find the best Salt Lake City band, and my brothers' band, 3 Percent Hero, is movin' on up! :-) I want to re-emphasize that I would never ask you guys to vote for them just because they're related to me ó I don't want them to win by "cheating." You can listen to a clip of their song, "I Miss You," at the Web site before you vote, and you can decide whether you like it enough to vote for them. (I guarantee you will. :-)) The site is at www.949zht.com/americanidol You have to sign up for a Z-Spot membership to vote, but it's not a big ordeal. So, to clarify in case I was unclear: Even if you voted for 3 Percent Hero last week, you can vote for them again now that they have moved on to Round 3. (The votes are tallied each Friday and the new round begins Friday evening. You can vote once a week ó once for each round.) Also, the band is listed as 3 Percent on the ballot, so don't bother searching for "Hero." You won't find it. :-) Thanks thanks thanks to all who voted, and to all who will vote this week!!! Doug _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:03:29 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: math.. *retch* rofl.. Beth.. you understand MATH now! TEACH ME!!!! Doug: Tell the boys to GET A WEBSITE.. *RIGHT NOW*. I'll check out their song when it's not 2, 3, 4, 5AM and I'm s'posed to be in bed. :P Chris got our hopes up and then dashed them: "3 years ago, metallica was featured on the internet site napster...and they've been screwed ever since...they are declaring bankruptcy... Oh...wait...wait...no...that never happened." oh, poopypants. :P I *used* to like Metallica.. and I love their Behind The Music show.. but.. it's not *all* the Napster dealio that caused it either.. but.. I just.. well.. kinda lost interest. Welcome to the list, Ian! I just joined back in... shoot I forget.. March or April, and I've been having a BLAST since. Nice to hear that you live in Atlanta, too. I live about 20 miles south from there in Peachtree City. :) Hope you enjoy it here at RDTRN! e. said of Lilo and Stitch: "And I still don't care if hulahula means family." eh.. well was the plot any good?? Koba said: "please sucks me the cockerel." er.. huh? rofl.. Okay.. I'll be seeing you lovely peeps later. *blows kisses!* Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:57:08 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: all about ME! 1st--send this survey to everyone you know to see how well they know you. <-- bah, just fill it out for all the people on this list that you know and are active (as in.. actually writing back and forth.. :)) 2nd--fill this survey out about the person who sent it to you and send it back to them... <--- in other words.. ME! :) **be honest** OK! Here we go...-* 1. My name: 2. Where did we meet: 3. Take a stab at my middle name: 4. How long have you known me: 5. How well do you know me: 6. Do I smoke: 7. What is my favorite saying? 8. When you first saw me, what was your impression? 9. My age: 10. My birthday: 11. Hair color: 12. Eye color: 13. Am I tall, short, or average? 14. Do I have any siblings? 15. Have you ever had a crush on me: 16. Have you ever been jealous of me (lol)? 17. Who am I in love with: 18. What is one of my favorite things to do: 19. Do you remember one of the first things I said to you: 20. What's your funniest memory of me: 21. What's my favorite type of music: 22. What is my best feature: 23. What is my worst feature: 24. Do you look up or down on me as a person? 25. Do you think I have morals and values: 26. Am I a leader or a follower: 27. Am I shy or outgoing: 28. Can you picture me dancing: 29. Can you picture me rollin'? 30. Would you say I am funny: 31. Am I a rebel or do I follow all the rules: 32. Do I have any special talents: 33. What's my best accomplishment: 34. Would you consider me a friend: 35. Would you call me preppy, a homey, average, Sporty, punk, hippie, glam, nerdy, snobby, or something else: 36. Have you ever seen me cry? 37. If there was one good nickname for me, what would it be: 38. What is your favorite thing to do with me (activities, sports, etc.): 39. Do I drink alcohol: 40. Do I do drugs: 41. Have I ever been there for you: 42. Am I fun to be with: 43. Am I smart: 44. Do I own any pets? 45. Do ya love me: 46. Name one way I have changed your life or made an impact on it: ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:02:38 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: yeeks!! okay.. I went to the RTDRN subliminal page.. and it mentioned one of the digests named: "*** Looks Like Everyone's On Vacation Except Megan And Cyndi And Me digest ***" *grins and shines with happiness*... am I the only one who loves to get her/his name mentioned like that? :D I swear. once I was on a Michael Jackson board.. people were FLAMING each other like mad.. I was like "STOP FIGHTING!" cuz I can't stand stuff like that to happen.. (I *hate* flamewars.) I said that in a post.. and then someone accused me of having "A.S.S."--Attention Seeking Syndrome. I was like "eh fuck you, bitch." and left the board but sometimes, I have to wonderrrrr.. what do you guys think? :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:01:59 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1666 I can definitely see that religion reading on the new song... but it's very well blended with the front story. hhhhmmmm... e. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:38:27 -0600 From: NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: "She's Come Undone" Beth W. wrote: "- Can someone who's read the book give us a synopsis of Wally Lamb's "She's Come Undone?" How does its mention play into the meaning of this song?" Oh my God! If you have not read that book yet, you must do so, NOW. The books is too complicated to go into too many details. It's about a girl and the unraveling of her life and her journey into putting it back together. some important events in the book: At around age 9 or 10 her mother gives birth to a stillborn baby, which causes her mother to have a nervious breakdown and is instituitionalized. Her mother divorces her father and the two of them move in to live with her grandmother. at about age 13 or 14, she is raped by the man who is renting a room upstairs. about 16 or 17 (not sure), Her mother is killed by a car as she works at the Jersey turnpike. She spends the next year or so torturing herself with food and becomes very fat she goes to college for a semester but has a breakdown and is admitted to a mental hospital. She spends several months (maybe a few years, I can't remember) in therapy. She becomes somewhat stable and starts to lose weight. The hospital puts her in a halfway house, where she finds work at a photolab-developing pictures. She comes across a photo of a guy and she becomes obsessed with him. She finds out where he lives and moves there. There start a relationship, but he uses her sexually and takes advantage of her. I cannot remember when or why their relationship ends, but it's yucky. I think she moves again, but I cannot remember where. She begins to dream of a man that reminds her of a Teddy Bear. Eventually, she begins to heal her soul and put her life back together. She eventually meets her Teddy Bear. It's been a while since I've read the book. It is definitely a must read. Unfortunately, it's the only book of Wally Lamb's that I've ever liked. Roxanne -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:53:41 -0400 From: CruelGrl18@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: She's Come Undone. Beth (hi beth!) said: <<- What do you think it means that Tori's beginning her trip in Los Angeles? (I'd bet anything this will be the first song on the album.) It was her adopted home for a while, and it's where her music career really took off, but it's also where she was assaulted.>> I'm could be mistaken, but I believe her career "really took off" more in the UK than here at first. I read the "Tori Time-line" at a website (I can't remember the name or address right now, but you can find it at the Dent) which discussed her placings on charts and how atlantic execs. sent her to England after she released Little Earthquakes because they thought she would be more accepted there doing "the girl and piano" thing. Although you're right, she was assaulted in LA so of course I could be wrong. I've read "She's Come Undone" by Wally Lamb about 4 times or something crazy like that because the book is utterly delicious and I really reccommend it to anyone and everyone.. toriphiles especially. I will find some descriptions for you on the book because even though I have read it many times, there may be little things I'm forgetting, as it's been awhile since I read it for the fourth time. _______________________________________________________ Amazon.com Oprah Book ClubÆ Selection, January 1997: "Mine is a story of craving; an unreliable account of lusts and troubles that began, somehow, in 1956 on the day our free television was delivered." So begins the story of Dolores Price, the unconventional heroine of Wally Lamb's She's Come Undone. Dolores is a class-A emotional basket case, and why shouldn't she be? She's suffered almost every abuse and familial travesty that exists: Her father is a violent, philandering liar; her mother has the mental and emotional consistency of Jell-O; and the men in her life are probably the gender's most loathsome creatures. But Dolores is no quitter; she battles her woes with a sense of self-indulgence and gluttony rivaled only by Henry VIII. Hers is a dysfunctional Wonder Years, where growing up in the golden era was anything but ideal. While most kids her age were dealing with the monumental importance of the latest Beatles single and how college turned an older sibling into a long-haired hippie, Dolores was grappling with s ___________________________________________________ >From Kirkus Reviews A tremendously likable first novel about the catastrophe- marked childhood, youth, and mangled adulthood of a tough-fibered woman who almost beaches herself in guilt and grief. Terrible things are about to happen to Dolores Price, only child of brittle, vulnerable Bernice and weak, randomly abusive Tony. Tony leaves Bernice sometime after the stillbirth of their son, and after a week playing with little Dolores in a new backyard pool, when the child expects a lifetime of floating with Daddy. Then Bernice completely flips out and goes to a mental hospital; Dolores is taken to live with Grandma in Rhode Island on Pierce Street (which ``smelled of car exhaust and frying food. Glass shattered, people screamed, kids threw rocks''). Later, Ma returns and works collecting tolls on the Newport Bridge, while friendless Dolores attends a corrosive parochial school. But all welcome Grandma's new tenant, dazzling Jack, a radio DJ who, when Dolores is 13, rapes her in a dog pound. The person Dolores runs to is heart-of-g (I do believe Jack drove an incredible car that you could put the hood down in, but I'm really not sure.) ______________________________________________________ Simon & Schuster "Mine is a story of craving: an unreliable account of lusts and troubles that began, somehow, in 1956 on the day our free television was delivered...." Meet Dolores Price. She's 13, wise-mouthed but wounded, having bid her childhood goodbye. Beached like a whale in front of her bedroom TV, she spends the next few years nourishing herself with the Mallmomars, potato chips, and Pepsi her anxious mother supplies. When she finally rolls into young womanhood at 257 pounds, Dolores is no stronger and life is no kinder. But this time she's determined to rise to the occasion and give herself one more chance before really going belly up. In this extraordinary coming-of-age odyssey, Wally Lamb invites us to hitch a wild ride on a journey of love, pain, and renewal with the most heartbreakingly comical heroine to come along in years. At once a fragile girl and a hard-edged cynic, so tough to love yet so inimitably lovable, Dolores is as poignantly real as our own imperfections. She's Come Undone includes a promise: you will never forget Dolores Price. __________________________________________________________ I hope that helps Beth! Definitely try to pick up the book though, it is really good and you will enjoy it. Russ. Fragments. Ventrue.. whatever you want to call him gave Tori this book when she was in Atlanta for the Plugged Tour.. he about flipped his shit when he realized the (maybe small, but relevant) references to "She's Come Undone". Brian: I think people answer your rhetorical questions because everyone has an opinion about everything.. whether the question is asking yours or not.. someone will give it. that and we just love you fluffymarshmellowsugarygoohoneybabe. ;) time to become part of the working world. Everybody knows, -Ms. Taylor http://www.livejournal.com/users/sirengrrri/ o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Remember...The *Neck* Needs Sunblock Too (Sunburn SUU-UUCKS) digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? 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