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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1673
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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replies [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ]
moo moo moo [ Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterroris ]
saving private frodo [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ]
quickie [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
minority report [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
BLUE!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
teaching new houses old tricks [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ]
replies [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ]
[ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ]
On July 19th in 1994, more talk of a UTP video (featuring 4
song videos (with the Euro CG clip)), a list member who had
just interviewed Tori (Anthony Horan) reports that "interesting
thing: Tori says that 'Pretty Good Year' is, in fact, "Ode To
The Banana King - Part 2"!", more about the bible quote in God,
how Tori plays BFH on tour, more on the concert light show,
some Icicle discussion, and a member reports:
According to a source who just interviewed Tori, she plans
on releasing her next album in the fall of '96 (ouch, what a
long time to wait!!). Also, she is currently working on the
musical score for a radio dramatization of some of Neil
Gaiman's work, to be broadcast on the BBC.
In 1995, more on pro-life bumper stickers, abortion, more kids
TV reminiscing, reports of harpsicord on the new album, more on
Broken, more drowning vs. burning, more art, more presidency,
more rabbit, and computer vs. music (which is more vital?).
In 1996, more drugs, news about the UK and US HJ releases, All
These Years re-released, more dislike of the PW single, and
Tori dreams.
In 1997, women and respect.
In 1999, more on list civility, reactions to JFK JR's plane
crash, more Blair Witch.
In 2000, more on appearance, school, and public spaces people
would like to live in.
In 2001, the story behind the original "I Don't Like Mondays",
more thoughts on SLG the song, and the choice of songs for SLG
the album.
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Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:05:00 -0500
From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: replies
bethey- hope you're feeling better. and sorry to hear about champers.
sounds like he wasn't in pain when he finally went though. *hugs*
lavs mentioned the principle of Somebody Else's Problem, as put forth by
Douglas Adams, in referrence to the shadow people postings. Is SEP along
the lines of the odd logic that the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
follows? ;)
Seriously, I've wondered if more unexplained things happen than what's
reported because more potential witnessnes are blocking it out when they
encounter something their brain stops them from precieving. It would
explain the situations where someone is looking at photos they've taken and
they see that something has shown up in the pics that wasn't there (or so
they thought they didn't see) when the picture was actually taken.
ade wrote:
>Subject: purple monkeys dancing in my head
what happens if they misbehave? ;)
>... but as for the
>paranormal stuff, yep, it's beyond human understanding but there seem to be
>psychic tendencies on my dad's side of the family.
That means by the 2250s many of your descendants will be in the PsiCorps ;)
cyndi wrote:
> I haven't (knowingly) experienced anything involving shadow
>people, so since I don't wanna sound dumb,
it's never dumb to talk about it or to share experiences you might have
had. I really wish our society was more open to discussion of the
unexplained- I still think many more people have had such encounters but
are reluctant to come forward because of the disdain expressed in the
"mainstream".
about your mom's house when she was a kid:
>because she and her siblings (and parents) would hear steps coming up the
>stairs.. look over to see who it was.. wouldn't see anybody.. but then
>would just.. feel eyes staring at them. She thinks the poor ghost was
>just lonely.
That just sounds errie- reminds me a little of what my mom was telling me
about. Sometimes I wonder if that's more disturbing than actually seeing a
ghost when you think you've heard something or percieve someone else in the
room. Interestingly I've gotten the that weird feeling when things
suddenly get too quiet around me. Normal background noise is fine, even
when I'm sleeping, but the *one* thing that gets me really nervous during a
nighttime thunderstorm is when the power goes out. I'm not bothered by the
thunder or lighting, or loud rain outside, but the moment the power is out
I'm suddenly wide awake, and the dead silence really starts getting to me.
Interesting that you've found info on alien abductions that sounds very
similar to the night terror phenomenon!
juan wrote:
>I know I have a sense of humour that goes beyond bizarre and beyond plain
>bad. and it's worse in English.
ah, but even in English, is it worse than mine? ;)
jewel wrote about her own night terror/shadow people experiences:
>one thing that was strange about these episodes, is i would feel as
>though i was waking up again and again. i would wake up, look around,
>unable to move and seeing strange things, and then i would wake up AGAIN
>- as if waking up from a dream in which i had just woken up - but i would
>see all the same things.
That's happened to me when I've had a long but sleepless night, when I've
got to bed early and keep waking up during the night very disoriented
because when I feel like something wakes me up it's hard to tell whether
I'm actually awake or still asleep. Some nights it feels like I've slept
all night without actually sleeping, with what can only be described as
moving in and out between being awake and dreaming all night long- the
dream I "slip" into being the same dream I started with that night!
>strange thing - i have NEVER experienced this while it's dark. it has
>always been after waking up in the morning and trying to get back to
>sleep - and occasionally when i would stay up all night and try to go to
>bed when it's light. to this day, i get a little panicky when i realize
>i've stayed up until 5 am, for fear that i will not get to sleep before
>the sun rises. but for the most part, it's gotten better.
I've run into that too, although with me the weird dreams and popping in
and out of sleep can happen to me at night as well as during the day. On
those nights where I feel like I've "slept all night but didn't" I'll
awaken the next morning after a night of slipping in and out of dreaming
and being awake feeling totally exhausted and needing *more* sleep to make
up for what feels like staying up all night without having ever gotten out
of bed during the night, and if it's during the weekend I do try to sleep
during the day to make up for that, but it ends up being a whole day of
sleeping a few hours with *more* of the weird wake/dream back and forth
thing going on! The only thing that works, at least for me, to avoid it
is to not stay up too late, but also try not to go to bed too early. I can
be really tired and decide to crash early, like around 9pm hoping to wake
up in the morning feeling totally refreshed, but sometimes I get hit with
the "something" that suddenly wakes me up around 3 or 4am, and it's
impossible to fall asleep again. Funny thing is that I can head to bed
between 11pm and midnight and get a good night's sleep, and any dreaming
occurs at once without waking me up in the middle of the night. Also, I've
noticed that when I have run into the weird sleep/dream/waking at strange
times situations it's been when I've been really tired- if it's possible to
be *too* exhausted to sleep, I think it happens to me.
this is a really fascinating thread! :)
gabriela wrote:
>Subject: crapology
reminds me of something my friend Donny came up with: the term
"Craptacular", applied to things that are noteworthy *because* they're so
bad, like B movies that suck and yet have become popular in a weird way.
also from gabriela:
>Most recently a friend of mine told me, a couple of years ago he woke up in
>the middle of the night just to see a hideous sharp-teethed grinning face,
>inches away from his, and he just lay there paralyzed for a good couple of
>minutes until it went away.
Scary as hell. I know some of the shadow people that have been seen have
been reported as having red eyes, but that's the first time I've read about
someone actually seeing a face up close. Red eyes are scary enough,
without the smiling sharp-toothed face!
All shook up he got out of the room (it was a
>dormitory - I believe) to get himself some strong tea. Just as he opened the
>door he heard his collegue two doors down shout: "Get out! Get out of my
>room!" - and run out into the coridor. It turned out the bloke experienced
>the very same visitor just minutes later.
>How spooky is that?
Redefines "spooky"! I'm wondering how many others in that building might
have had the same experience but never said anything about it. Something
moving from room to room like that- now it could have been someone wearing
a mask playing a prank, but if no one saw this thing actually moving from
room to room, then something truly bizarre happened.
>But I guess we'd all be much more at ease if we leart to approach these
>matters with less disbelief. Fright is just enough - disbelief makes you
>unprepared.
Total agreement here- while I don't blindly believe every story of
unexplained encounters, I still keep an open mind about the whole subject.
Too many real but strange things have happened to too many people for me to
dispute the existence of the unexplained.
Very interesting night terror experience you wrote about.
> *** Evil Doves digest ***
Evil is as evil doves!
Simon
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:40:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Succubus Barbie <Abulia@imaterrorist.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: moo moo moo
Hola mes amies!
Violet wrote:
> today's already done
No! You're wrong! It's still going! See! It's 8:18 right now....
Technically the day won't be over until midnight. So HAH!
Oh I'm so amazingly clever... :cD
In the downloading music debate that's currently going on, I have to say
that I agree with Beth. I'm a music downloading whore. I admit it. And
she brought up points that support my downloading frenzy. Especially
considering that I download stuff like Hindi music that can only be found
online because music stores are DUMB and they only have like 2 Hindi CDs in
the average one and I need more than that, I tell you! More!!!!
Plus, I discovered this cool band called Fantomas, which is this hard rock
band that plays theme music in heavy metal style. Like the theme from
Rosemary's Baby and Twin Peaks and The Godfather. They kick ass.
For other music whores like myself, please download Fantomas. They're amazing.
Simon's post made me want to do a tarot card reading, for some odd reason.
Huh.
Brian wrote:
>The first thing I thought was, "Is
>there a gun in there?".
Why is it that people always think of guns before roses? I mean, there is
an equally possible chance that the nice guitar guy had a dozen long-stem
roses packed in his case, rather than an uzi. And what about bubbles,
huh!? Maybe he had a miniature bubble machine in there that was triggered
by opening the case (get it? "triggered"? HAH!) and released a bunch of
shiny floaty bubbles that _don't_ shoot and kill people!
...I'd much rather think of roses and bubble machines than guns. Stupid
guns. Guns kill way too many people, most of whom don't deserve it. Nasty
nasty things.
I hereby declare that violence is officially BAD. Thank you.
> I know I
>can sleep well at night in the knowledge I'm doing the right thing, so it's
>up to the pirates to live with themselves.
This is entirely off-topic, but I'm reading a book about actual pirates
(Argh Me Matey!) and it claims that pirates almost never executed anyone by
making them walk the plank. Instead they just hacked off appendages and
stuff. Isn't that interesting? _I_ find it interesting, but then again, I
can be very morbid. So maybe not to you....
>Violet's a redneck! Violet's a redneck! :-p
Hee! I did not think of that! Clever!
Deandra du Dance wrote:
>I got A Sorta Fairytale yesterday and I have to say that I really like it.
>It is definitely different than Tori's other songs but I still like it.
NO! I must avoid the temptation! I will not sneak a peak at the new
album! Every time I do the album's ruined for me! I must listen to it
whole and virginy!
Oh, the temptation! It's terrible! Jesus kicked ass! He could probably
hold the 40 days (or however many are left till the album comes out) so
much better than me! Man! And my temptation isn't even that _big_!
Hmpth.
Miz Crawford wrote:
>and
>on THAT note, I'll be seeing you pretty purple
>people..............*exaggerated pause inserted for dramatic...
>emphasis*...........................................
>..........................................................
>..................tomorrow. YAY!!
Oh the exaggeration! (*gasps and dies*)
...Oh wait, I'm still alive. Nevermind. The pause wasn't as long as I
thought. (never hold your breath for the pauses)
WHOREatio wrote:
>yes, i threw tennis balls at megan in 8th grade, 5 1/2 YEARS ago! i was
>finally getting over my guilt when she BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN! jeez, way to
>make me feel like an asshole! :) i know you're just teasing, and i'm STILL
>sorry (that's the 8365789912nd time i've apologized...).
Heh! I'll never forgive you! Never! My heart is broken by your cruel
cruel treatment! Nooooooooooo!!!!! (*sob*)
Did anyone else just feel the general level of maturity go down about a
half-inch? Anyone? Okay then.
How Now, Brown Cow?
Megan Christine Auffart
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I never saw a Purple Cow,
I never hope to see one;
But I can tell you anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one!
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:07:50 +0800
From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: saving private frodo
On the Spoiler Alert question, I have not downloaded or listened to any new
Tori music. Not for legal or ethical reasons, but because I will buy the
CD and listen to it when it comes out. However, I don't mind discussion of
it, that doesn't really matter. So, no SPOILER ALERTs are necessary for me.
e. said:
> Can't wait for LOTR 2. At least I know the plot for that is
> fucking great.
Absolutely. Since the movies were announced, I've wondered if there are
any people out there (ones who haven't read the books, of course) who
expect something sort of twee and charming, since it's got elves and
wizards and so on. If so, hope somebody clues them in before they go see
it, because this one's going to be as twee and charming as Saving Private
Ryan (except with a plot which actually makes sense).
Deadra said:
> If I had heard the song before I knew that Tori was on it I
> don't think I would have noticed.
If I listen really hard, I can actually hear Mary Chapin Carpenter's
background vocals on the Indigo Girls' "Hammer & Nail" (she sings one
word). But if I didn't know, it would go right past me, that's for sure.
Arija said:
> not much to say, apparently since i dont want to fit my life
> into a survey form.
Hey, why take all the challenge out of getting to know me? That's like
breezing through the Cliffs Notes instead of reading the real thing :-).
As B/4,
John
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:47:38 -0400
From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: quickie
i haven't much time other than this, but i have to make a quick music
recommendation: Bonnie Raitt's Silver Lining. holyfuck. i've heard a lot of
her stuff, and i really think this is her best album. ever. run, don't walk.
-bethany
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:17:21 -0400
From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: minority report
okay, this was apparently not all from me. the caffeine just kicked in.
Matt axed:
"e talked about the poor quality of summer movies. i wanted to ask
about "minoroty report" - it's just been released in the UK and i've seen it
described as "spielberg's best work yet" by more than one reviewer - any
thoughts from those that have seen it already."
the best movie i've seen this year. easily. of course, i'm waiting for it to
be displaced by The Two Towers, but that's not til what? November?
anyway. despite the fact that i can't stand Tom Cruise, i loved it. it was a
truly innovative movie, visually. The story doesn't leave much to be
disappointed in, either. it has a couple of delicious twists that i really
wasn't expecting. I also love sci fi movies that offer a true glimpse into
what the future could really be - i mean, c'mon, the starship Enterprise and
intergalatic peace aren't very realistic, but the little things in Minority
Report - like the big ads along the highways, the fact that Tom Cruise's
character goes into the Gap at one point - really ground the storyline for
me. so i liked that.
one of my few complaints was the ending - it was dynamite until the last
five minutes, but i could've done without it being tied up so neatly. that
really really annoyed me, and it seemed like such a cheat for a movie that
didn't rely on such Hollywood conventions (though we are talking about
Spielberg here, so i don't know what i was expecting).
anyway. fabulous. go see it.
and of course, the age old question...
If we can send a man to the moon, WHY THE HELL DON'T WE HAVE FLYING CARS
YET?
oh, and friends! i finally read Neverwhere, and was rather frustrated by it.
not sure if i liked it or not.
-bethany
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of it all. To have company. To be remembered. For these is so much to be
recalled, with no one to do the recalling." (Ned Rorem)
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:53:35 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: BLUE!!
Jim presented us a lot of interesting questions involving a dog
named Blue.. very interesting thoughts, and in particular, the soul
question.. I showed that part to my friend and she and I had a pretty
deep discussion involving it, which concluded with us agreeing that we
are both Christians, AND we believe that all living things alike have
souls.
Jim then said: "All my life I have had this feeling that something was
not right but could not put my finger on it. After 61 years I figured it
out. I am left handed
and jockey shorts (as well as boxer shorts) are designed for right hand
entry. No wonder I as been frustrated all these years."
yikes. just turn 'em inside out. I think that'll do it. :)
Simon said: "The people coming up with the weird as hell names for paint
shades are probably getting buzzed on the fumes of the paints they're
making."
HA!! good way of putting it, Simon! I wouldn't doubt that for a
second.
Simon then said: "I think brussel sprouts and broccoli are the two most
universally hated vegatables among kids."
Universally, maybe, but I LIKE brussel sprouts and broccoli.. I
liked 'em when I was a kid.. no.. I LOVED 'em.. still love 'em now. I
looove my vegetables!
Ian wrote a long and introspective post about how the clouds work.. I
didn't c&p any of it, but I thought that was really nice.. lovely
imagery. Do you write, Ian? I'm a writer so I thought I'd ask.
Anyway, I feel like this post from me sounds a little dull but.. DEAL
WITH IT! :D
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM)
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Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:39:27 -0700
From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: teaching new houses old tricks
Lately I can't get enough of this new single I got, Apocalyptica's "Hope
vol. 2," which features singer Matthias Sayer. Sayer wrote his own
lyrics for the song and his voice is just gorgeous. In addition, it
features two b-sides, covers of Metallica's "My Friend
of Misery" and Slayer's "South of Heaven." They're gorgeous. This was an
import and I think I paid $12 for it but it was completely worth it.
Simon wrote:
> Usually such things occur in older houses, but is it possible in a house
> that's relatively new, or has been occupied by the same people over a long
> period of time? My parent's house was built about 20 years ago and my
> family were the first and only ones to ever have lived there, but I recall
> some odd things that happened when I was younger and more recently my
> parents have mentioned strange things happening-
Yes, of course. The land that the house is built on has its own
energies and memories. "Poltergeist" is an extreme example, where the
houses were built on top of an old cemetery, but there are many
places where spirits will actively rebel against a structure that has been
built on a site that was sacred to them. I've seen this a few times in
my area, with Native American spirits who are either angry about a
specific home or building, or just angry
in general about the development and use of the land. And you either have
to try to make some kind of peace with them, or one of you has to leave.
Of course, it's not always that dramatic. Sometimes it's more like
what you describe, and it could be caused by any number of things. If
you're really curious, you might be able to find a local psychic or medium
who is interested in coming and having a 'feel' around the place. s/he may
be able to tell you a lot of fascinating things about who you're sharing
your house with! :)
Beth
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it's still there after you've used it... Just because the industry markets
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:05:30 -0500
From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: replies
hello!
chris wrote:
> Do any of you believe in alternate timelines? I'm going somewhere with
>this.
Another one of my favorite subjects, in the same vein as time travel. One
of my favorite sci-fi shows was "Sliders", which depicted some very
mind-boggling "what if" scenarios in history, with a group of
interdimensional travelers moving from one parallel Earth to another. When
you really get into the details of history, you really can see where things
might have gone in a completely different direction based on the possible
outcome of a single event.
>
> I've discussed this before, but let's that someone has a dream or some
>event that is going to happen, and they change it, stop it from happening
>and it changes your whole life and makes a new timeline...
Similar to the issue of paradox when actual time travel is discussed: going
back to change history, but if the event that was your reason for going
back has now been changed, then there's no reason to go back. With a dream
about the future, how can you dream about a future event that is eliminated
from the timeline before it happens if you act on what you saw in the dream.
Remember what Sarah Connor said in the first "Terminator" movie: "You can
go crazy trying to figure it out". Or you might suddenly go crosseyed, as
happened to Austin Powers in "The Spy Who Shagged Me". ;)
seriously though, one theory is that if an event is altered, the timeline
splits from the point things were changed, so that there's the original
timeline and a parallel one heading away from the changed version of
history, and I would assume based on that then timelines altered based on
info from dreams would be affected the same way.
> Do you think you'd notice it? Have you already felt that this has
>happened to you before?
On the same radio program I was talking about many listeners have called in
talking about exactly that- knowing the "actual" version of history but
also having a vague memory of the alternate version of the timeline we all
accept as the one we're living in now. I've had it happen myself, like
when I'm watching a documentary about a particular event and I get a really
strange feeling, like what's being shown as the "correct" version of
history isn't right or that somehow it feels like it was different at some
point. In recent years there have been documentaries about the times the
US and the then-USSR came closer to nuclear war than was revealed at the
time during the Cold War, and I've gotten a very ice-cold feeling of total
dread while watching those programs, as if I'm "knowing" that in some
alternate timeline those events had a much more horrific conclusion, like
when I see anything on the Cuban missile crisis.
I've even had dreams where I'm watching TV and a historical show is on,
only a very different version of events is shown, like the time I dreamt I
was watching a program about the Korean War and one segment showed a US
fighter plane (early jet of that time) streaking by and dropping a nuclear
bomb, something that never actually happened- or did it in an alternate
Korean War and I might have seen a glimpse of that alternate timeline
slipping through into this one. Another time I dreamt I was watching a
historical program that showed what looked like color film from the 60s,
only in the film were military helicopters with Nazi markings on them,
which scared the hell out of me because I couldn't tell if in that
"timeline" World War II had somehow raged on into the 60s and Nazi Germany
developed helicopters of their own along the way, or if I was seeing a
timeline where Nazi Germany had won the war.
I was thinking of something else- some stories that sound a little like
urban legends sound like people mis-remembering real events. I wonder if
in some of those cases people might have actually been recalling the
alternate memories of how something might have happened.
I just remembered this from when I was a kid: I was about 9 (1979 or early
part of 1980) and I had been reading a book about the early space program,
and after I read a chapter on the Apollo 13 flight, I asked my dad if
anyone had ever been killed on a space mission (this was before the
Russians admitted what had happened in their program, and of course prior
to the Challenger disaster), and my dad actually started telling me about
the astronauts killed aboard Apollo 13. I jumped in and pointed out that I
had just read about how that crew had made it back to Earth. I recall my
dad doing sort of a double take, trying to figure out why he remembered
Apollo 13 happening where the crew didn't survive.
Never thought about it until now, but I wonder if he too was remembering an
alternate version of history.
anyway-
beth wrote:
>I just wanted to say publicly how awesome redstamen's post in #1629 was.
>It's always good to hear from others who
>have had these experiences and who have some level of faith in them.
>Sometimes, feeling how I feel about these things, it can get kinda lonely.
>;)
I can relate- both to feeling along in my interest in those things and in
feeling validated when other people are able to talk about it :)
>I used to see things out of the corner of my eye and think "it's just my
>imagination." (Same thing upon waking: "It was just a dream.") I decided
>to stop saying "just" when talking about these kinds
>of things, and I decided to start accepting that what I see out of the
>corner of my eye might actually BE THERE, and just see what happens to
>my mind and my faith.
Very interesting philosophy on this! There's also what I remember someone
saying (wish I could remember who it was!) "Just because it's strange
doesn't mean it isn't real!" ;)
>There's nothing wrong with being open to the possibility,
>or even to acceptance. I always think: well, if I saw something, then it
>must have been there, some way, somehow. And I just go from there.
couldn't have said it better myself :)
>
>I'm not gonna talk about what I've seen, because that's not really
>so important.
On the contrary! If it's happened to you, then it's important! :)
>But it's frustrating to live in a culture where so many
>people have these experiences (or talk to the dead in dreams, or
>in the kitchen while making dinner, or whatever) and yet so many
>people who "see things" freak out because they were raised to believe that
>stuff like that Doesn't Happen. And if you start seeing it, You're
>Crazy.
There's a real case of "pretending it doesn't exist makes it not exist" in
our culture, and it's really disturbing to see how the debunkers get away
with being narrow-minded and downright hostile towards the prospect of such
things and towards those who do accept the possibility of more going on
beyond the narrowly accepted boundries of "reality". I've seen people so
totally shitting bricks paranoid about the possibility that things like the
paranormal and UFOs/aliens might be real that they express *relief* when a
reported encounter with the paranormal or extraterrestrials turns out to
have a more "mundane" explanation. Or else they present their own
explanations that turn out to be more bizarre than the strange things
they're trying to debunk.
>Well, if so many people see spirits or ghosts or shadow people or
>faeries or whatever -- it can't be crazy. And it sure isn't supernatural
>or paranormal. It's natural and it's normal.
I've always thought that. Way too many people reporting similar encounters
for it to simply be people's imaginations running away from them or
halucinations.
cyndi wrote:
> geeeee.. where'd Simon go?? O_o
I'm right here! :)
bethany wrote:
>WOW, arija, THANK YOU. why can't temple university be as
>organized as Yale?
and at the other end of the spectrum, there's UT-San Antonio. Most
disorganized and confusing place I've ever been. I got more out of
attending the local community college later on!
>and hey, i'm surprised there's no talk about Vanessa
>Carlton round here...especially since she's another girl
>with a piano.
I've heard one of her songs, and the first time I heard it I had a "wow!"
moment. She sounds really talented, but it also poses a serious dillema:
acknowledging Carlton's music would be tantamount to suggesting the
unthinkable: that a mortal has achieved the perfection of The One.
lavs wrote:
>
>Seems 'fresh cut grass' is the fav scent of Arty Turners (female at least).
Best time to really smell fresh cut grass is either in the fall or early
spring, when the weather is cooler.
you also mentioned rubber stamping. That's how ink markings are put on
condoms, right? ;)
> *** If It Ain't Broke, Fix It Till It Is digest ***
The slogan of all those home repair shows!
cyndi wrote:
> Ehhh... MTV sucks
sucks so bad, astronomers use it to show how black holes exists.
Speaking of black holes: I recently saw a program on The Learning Channel
about black holes, and in one segment, an astronomer was describing what
would happen if someone fell into one. The video used in that segment was,
no joke, the scene near the end of "Evil Dead II". Won't spoil it for
those who haven't seen the film, but for those who have, you know what I'm
talking about, and how funny it was seeing it used in the documentary.
later!
Simon
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